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https://www.nfl.com/news/2022-nfl-scouting-combine-full-list-of-invited-prospects

Curious to see how my guy " Chad Muma, LB, Wyoming " does .

https://www.nfl.com/news/2022-nfl-scouting-combine-dates-times-location-how-to-watch-and-more

When: March 1 to March 7.

Where:The Indianapolis at Lucas Oil Stadium (home of the Colts).

How can fans watch: NFL Network will have more than 50 hours of live coverage beginning March 1.
*Quarterbacks, wide receivers and tight ends from 4 p.m. ET to 11 p.m. ET on March 3.
*Running backs, offensive linemen and special teams from 4 pm. ET to 10 p.m. ET on March 4.
*Defensive linemen and linebackers from 4 p.m. ET to 9 p.m. ET on March 5.
*Defensive backs from 2 p.m. ET to 7 p.m. ET on March 6.

Live NFL Network coverage of the 2022 NFL Combine is available across devices (smartphone, PC, tablet and connected TVs) through the NFL app and NFL Network app for subscribers of participating NFL Network providers. Visit NFL.com/watch for more information on how to watch.

Who is participating: The NFL invited a total of 324 prospects.

What is the purpose: The 2022 NFL Scouting Combine allows prospects to participate in on-field drills in front of NFL evaluators. Additionally, prospects have the opportunity to interview with NFL teams.

What are the drills:
*40-yard dash
*Bench press
*Vertical jump
*Broad jump
*Three-cone drill
*20-yard shuttle
*60-yard shuttle

I will pay attention to the WR's TE's DL/EDGE and LB ...

J/C


I don't pay much attention to the combine. Pretty boring to watch IMO.

I know it all adds up to data the teams can add to the mix when evaluating, but for people like us it doesn't mean a whole lot.

I clicked the site that lists combine info. At the bottom was a part with notable 40 times. All the best times. A few still might have a shot, but mostly none of the fastest guys had any type of career to rave about. Most were guys who mostly had very short careers.

As I said, it all adds up to something that might help verify the tape, or even drop a few guys, and create a few paper tigers, but to sit and watch, I'll mostly pass.

I call it a meat market ... like showing livestock to see how much its worth !

It's been called that for a good while.

Like I said, it serves a purpose. It is more of a fact check to me. For teams, that and gets all the teams together to have some fun and discuss possible business in the way of trades, etc.

I won't watch much, but no doubt read articles where I will get all the info I need, and more, and we don't really need any info if we are honest about it. It's not like our opinions matter.

I'm not a big fan of the Combine either, but the MLB lockout has me looking around for something/anything even remotely of interest. Basketball just doesn't do the trick for me.

I can understand that.

Thanks for the post and this link-link. I like to watch some of the drills because the good ones really show up. It gets tedious to watch the talking heads too long. But, just to share, my wife LOVES the Combine, the drills, the films showing how drills translate to games. She is learning how to watch football well.

She has been waiting impatiently for this Combine thing to get started.

I agree on two out of the three. Medicals and interviews. I think those are the two most important factors teams look to at the combine. The game film shows you what kind of football player they are and how they perform with their measurables. I mean if a guy plays lights out against top competition, does his height or weight really hamper him? Not according to the film.

I do however think it and the drills play some part. Let's say you have three WR's that you have graded almost exactly the same. If their medicals and interviews are comparable then those drills might give you just enough to create a slight bit of separation between the three. But I doubt that plays out to be the case very often.

I do sometimes tune in to see a few of the drills on positions I think we may focus on. This year it would be WR's, DE's and DL. Maybe some on LB'er. It just seems rather a waste of time in regards to free agency coming after the combines as we have no idea what our actual needs will be in the draft at the time of the combines.

I have been checking out EDGE Rusher Jeremiah Johnson III and WOW this kid would be steal at #13 I can see him explode with Myles o the other side and remember the WR field is loaded and we can grab a very good one in round 2 ...

Jermaine Johnson, DE, Florida State 6-4. Weight: 259. 40 Time: 4.65. Projected Round (2022): 1-2.

2/26/22 Johnson totaled 70 tackles, 11.5 sacks, two forced fumbles and two passes batted in 2021. He made big plays in run defense and the pass rush. Johnson was a high-effort player for the Seminoles, making a lot of stops in the ground game along with putting steady pressure on the quarterback. He further helped himself with an excellent week of practice at the Senior Bowl.

After his impressive practices in Mobile, more team evaluators think Johnson could go late in the first round of the 2022 NFL Draft and should not last long if he slips into Round 2. Multiple NFL team sources say there isn't a significant difference between Aidan Hutchinson, Kayvon Thibodeaux and Johnson.

The Combine ay help this kid get into the top 10-15 of the draft ... JMO

Looking at the maturation of Njoku - it may be that Berry and the FO reconsider the importance of drafting uber young talent. Unless JJ turns out to be the second coming of a MG type - his max time with Cleveland is probably going to be somewhere between 5-7 years. That literally takes him to and maybe just past his peak in the NFL.

I agree. Age wouldn't become much of a issue unless the player was older. Now and then you get players who are 24 or so because something delayed their starting or leaving college.

j/c...

Hand size season!

Thought Burks had XXXXXL gloves. 9 7/8 is good size, but I was expecting in the high 10s.

They're Youth XXXXXL gloves.

The raw measurements are somewhat misleading. Players can have the same numbers but vastly different looking hands. They measure from the tip of the thumb to the tip of the pinkie when the hand is widespread. In some ways, it's as much a test of flexibility as size. It'd be nice if they showed handprints instead of just numbers to get a better sense of overall "size"/disposition. Or better yet do 3D models and show how a football fits into them. It's 2022, surely we can do better than a tape measure which was invented in the early 1800s.

j/c...

I think he would have been 1st wr taken if not for the injury. Maybe top 10. I agree with everything you said.

Speed is overrated. Obviously you can't have slow, but speed alone doesn't mean much.


Fastest #NFLCombine 40 Times
John Ross 4.22
Rondel Menendez 4.24
Chris Johnson 4.24
Jerome Mathis 4.26
Dri Archer 4.26
Stanford Routt4.27
Marquise Goodwin 4.27

Henry Ruggs III 4.28

Champ Bailey 4.28
Jacoby Ford 4.28
Jalen Myrick 4.28
J. J. Nelson 4.28
DeMarcus Van Dyke 4.28

I pulled those off some twitter tweet...a few of those guys had good careers, and Champ had a great career. The others are guys you don't remember or maybe remember the name of some guy who stuck around for a few years...I guess Ruggs is TBD

I'd agree that athletes with pure speed and little football skill rarely pan out. John Ross might be the best example on the list i can remember. Not expected to be a high pick until he posted his blazing combine time. Williams - to my mind - is different, he's a football player with blazing speed. The only comparable guy to my mind on the list was Ruggs - Williams wasn't a top WR prospect because of a combine workout ... he was a talent who has that rare combo of elite speed as well. Kupp is a great example of how you don't have to have speed - but guys like Kupp are just as rare as the guys who have the talent and elite speed.

Yet every year we watch people go bat$#!+ crazy over 40 times. It doesn't make sense.

j/c

Let's look at the top 5 rated NFL WR's in terms of yardage for 2021 and their 40 times at the combine.....

Cooper Kupp 4.62

Justin Jefferson 4.43

Davante Adams 4.56

Ja'Marr Chase 4.38

Deebo Samuel 4.48

Only one of the top five ran a sub 4.4. Two ran in the 4.4's, one in the 4.5's and one in the 4.6's. Four of the five caught over 10 td's.

With regard to Kupp:

"Kupp ran an underwhelming 4.62 40-yard dash at the NFL Combine. His times in the 20-yard shuttle of 4.08 seconds and the three-cone drill of 6.75 were at the elite level, however."

I agree that Williams is a genuine talent at WR - and as I mentioned earlier the combo if elite sub 4.4 speed and talent is rare. No-one is arguing that it is a pre-requisite. Jerry Rice anyone?

Here is my issue with 40 times.

Anyone who has run track know that the biggest thing you can do to improve your time is getting off the block better. And that is the issue. When was the last time you saw a Wr lineup and take the sprinter position? If I was a GM I would clock the Wr's coming from a start standing the way they stand in a game. And have them run motion then turn up on the snap count. That would be a number with more value IMO.

I think 40 times are a waste regardless. When's the last time you saw a d-back line up in starter blocks?

I don't know, it's just "too many measurements" that really don't mean a whole lot, imo. Tape should be key. Can you play.

That's almost unblockable. That kind of mass with that sort of explosiveness.. trying to block that, It's like trying to stop a car that jackrabbiting with a hand punch.

That is why teams almost always double teamed the guy. Between his speed, strength, and just plain mass, one person could rarely do it.

The question with Jordan Davis is how many times in a row can he do that?
If he can do it once then need to take 2-3 plays off, eh
If he can do it 3, 4, 5 plays in a row? sign me up.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nf...nce-zierlein-frelund-weigh-in/vi-AAUCk5w

This popped up on my Google feed - no doubt because I was searching for game tape last month. Think he will definitely slide now. Not out of the 1st round but into the late teens - early 20's I expect.

I think that's a good list and plenty realistic. Just because of the WR depth I might flip flop London and Johnson. David Ojabo may need to be in on that list - I see him going early in some mocks - he may fall and he maybe in the mix.

I’d take Araiza in the fourth round and then just have a reliable punter for 15 years.

I want to know why he had so little production at Georgia.

Fake punts, too.

So are you saying there really isn't much tape of him actually playing the role he will be playing in the NFL? That there is a lack of evidence showing how he will perform in that role?

And that's all fine and well. How did he rank in production during actual games compared to Myles? It's great when your measurables line up with the game tape. That verifies what you saw on tape. When your measurables stand out more than the game tape, it becomes more of a projection than verification.