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I really think that if we don't go WR and Linderbaum is there that he's the pick. Tretter is a free agent after next season and Linderbaum will give us a younger and cheaper O line, we already have a bunch of money tied up in Bitonio, Teller, and Conklin plus like Tretter, Conklin will be a free agent after next season and I really can't see us giving out big money to both of them.

I agree. OBJ struggles being the #1 WR. He loks much better being robin to Cooper Cupps batman.

I would be ok with this pick helps our Run Game ....

Here are my players and position I would be ok with picking at #13:

WR - Garrett Wilson OSU - Treylon Burks - ARKANSAS - Chris Olave OSU - Drake London USC

OL - Ikem Ekwonu OT/G N.C. STATE - Charles Cross MISSISSIPPI STATE OT -

DL/EDGE - Jordan Davis DT UGA - George Karlaftis EDGE PURDUE -

C - Tyler Linderbaum C/G - IOWA

QB - NONE

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Draft history by position


Anything’s possible, but if we are targeting a center….then I would expect a trade back.


Edit: last time a center was drafted close to our pick 13 was Steve Everitt (#14) 1993 Browns

Does any think that Harris is good enough to take over for Tretter when he leaves. From the couple games I saw him play, both at guard and center, he didn’t look awful.

To be fair, as far as the Draft goes, the priorities mean very little until after the first three weeks of Free Agency.
So, whatever priorities you see now, may not be, at all, come mid-April.

Free Agency is for "now". The Draft is for planning for the future... and, depending on how we feel about the guys we're developing, Center *could* be viewed as a need because there is a hole there this time next year.

What I will say is that thus far the positions Berry has signed as FA's hasn't had as much impact as is being presented. In the past two years he has signed and drafted people on the same unit. Signing Conklin and drafting Wills both in 2020. Using both the FA market and the draft to build the secondary in 2021. So while I think PPE makes a point about what our needs will be is subjective in terms of FA signings, I also feel Berry has shown that when he decides to rebuild a unit on the team, the positions he signs in the FA market are no real indication that he won't invest heavily in the draft to complete a unit he thinks still needs talent infused in.

JMHO, Nick Harris is smart enough to be center, making all the calls, etc. BUT he seems a little light in the butt for me. He's 6'1" and 293....imagine a 340 driver in his face/breaking thru the gap....our C is 6'4" and 307....Just saying.

I like Landon, USC, he's young, big, and could be somebody....GO Browns!!!

I'm not sure that he will. I see at least two added if we keep Landry and possibly three if he gets released. But your scenario certainly seems like a distinct possibility. The thing I wonder about most is what type of investment will he be making filling those spots? Will we see a top level FA with a mid level FA signed along with a first round pick at WR? Or two mid level FA's signed and a second round pick? Somewhere in between?

I have no idea of the answer to those questions but one thing is for sure. By the time we start next season we will know exactly what value Berry places on investing in WR's.

I get exactly what you're saying about the C position. I have no idea if Harris will or can be the answer. But he is light. Putting on 10 to 15 pounds I don't think would be that hard for a kid as he fills out though.

and the distinction would be whether something just needs a hole fixed, or if a unit needs to be rebuilt. There's a bit of a difference.
A rebuild, simply because of the number of quality bodies you're trying to bring in, requires multiple approaches.
Fixing a hole is most likely and Either/Or proposition.

Our WR corps needs to be rebuilt.
The center position may warrant a fix, and since we have Nick Harris, I would NOT look to there being any sort of doubling down at the position. If anything is done, it will be either FA or the Draft; not both.

DT/DT/DT , and a real Middle Linebacker !

In the end, I think we will be working hard to find trade partners and trade out of the #13 pick.

It is evident we aren't totally sold on Baker or he would already be signed. Next year is the year you want to get a QB, not this, so we will probably be looking to build draft picks for next year in the event baker looks flimsy next season OR, he has a inflated view of his worth and or won't sign because he harbors some sort of chip against the FO or fans.

who's the best DT's coming out?

There is a very good chance that no DT's go in the 1st round. The highest rated is Jordan Davis from Georgia but the guy is a Danny Shelton clone, excellent against the run but offers very little as a pass rusher, his ideal position is NT. PFF rates him as the 36th best player in the draft. After Davis most places differ on how they have the guys ranked but the next few are Devonte Wyatt from Georgia, he's a more well rounded DT , he has some quickness to his game and gets off the ball in a hurry but he isn't as physical as he should be for a guy who is he's 6'3" 315lbs. Perrion Winfrey from Oklahoma is another top rated DT but he's built more like a DE, he has long arms but a thin lower body and is probably best suited as a 3-4 DE. Another guy is Phidarian Mathis from Alabama, he's average as a run stopper and as a pass rusher. There is also Travis Jones from Connecticut who like Jordan Davis is basically just a run stopper and ideally suited as a NT. This is a very weak DT class in my opinion.

I'm betting this will be solved in free agency.

There are a number of younger DTs hitting the market in addition to a bunch of older veterans.
Ogunjobi & Sheldon Richardson will be available, but I doubt either's coming back.


B.J. Hill (CIN), Quinton Jefferson (LV), Jarran Reed (KC), Taylor Stallworth (IND), Harrison Phillips (BUF) are all young guns that have shown production hitting their 2nd contract; exactly the type of free agent Berry tends to prefer.

I really want the best WR in the draft be it: Landon, Burks, Wilson, or Olave. Then hopefully we have already signed Godwin. Then trade for Michael Thomas if he is healthy.

WR1: Brandon Godwin
WR2: Michael Thomas
WR3: Chris Olave
WR4: DPJ
WR5: Swartz

Or we ignore the WR position completely and draft LB Nakobe Dean, who knows.

So you would consider a second round pick at WR in a WR heavy drafts class ignoring it?

Yes, if you got a Jahan Dotson, David Bell, Jameson Williams, or a Justyn Ross. All good wr’s as well just the 2nd tier guys.

.. If that is Berrys plan, he better sign at least TWO !

I'm expecting that he will.
Additionally, depending on the outcome of what went down with Malik McDowell, I wouldn't rule out him returning.

I think Wr's are vastly overrated. To me, the QB is maybe 75% of a receiver's success. That isn't towards a dig a on Baker. My point is you can find good receivers in the 2nd and 3rd rounds about as easily as you can in round 1.

Having good receivers is necessary. Having the best receiver isn't.

Agreed.
Folks can just about scratch Thomas off their wish list UNLESS it is a Post-June 1st trade, or unless the Saints find themselves to be insanely desperate to shed a mere $2 million, because that is all they save by moving him before June 1st.
That said, I would totally ship off a 2023 1st & 3rd rounder for him.

With their Top 51, they are roughly $76 million OVER the cap, so they WILL be dumping guys, but moving Thomas would probably be a last resort. They will try to hold onto the best target their young QB has.
Also, there is a 0% chance of this happening if Jarvis is still here because the contract for Thomas is massive, and we would need the cap space eaten up by Jarvis to make it happen and still be able to rebuild our defense.

Josh Gordon should be available ::ducks::

Prp, Your right. The Saints trading Thomas won't save them much in cap space but they may be interested in moving him just for the picks since they are supposedly going into rebuild mode and Thomas will be 29 in a few days. I'd give them our 1st pick this year and a conditional 3rd next year.

That's a very good point, and I'd even go as far as to make it a 3rd that could become a 2nd based on his production & playing time.
Then, I'd look at restructuring him as soon as he gets here and shift a bunch of that salary to a signing bonus to make him much more affordable between now and 2025.

The question we have to answer before doing that, though, is whether or not we feel we can get someone in the draft this year with that 1st that would approximate his value to us. If the answer is yes, then you cannot make that trade because you've just acknowledged that you're throwing away a future pick and tens of millions of dollars in cap space each year until 2025. We'd have to think that Thomas was something well above and beyond any of the guys in the draft for this to make any sense at all.

The more my brain chews on that, the less I'm convinced that trading for a WR makes sense given this year's draft and where we sit in it. Sign a free agent WR and draft one... sure. Sign a free agent and trade for one... doesn't make sense UNLESS we cannot get one that we covet in the Draft. You can't both draft one and trade for one with this year's 1st.

There's a chance that because of the draft that he is devalued. Perhaps he gets traded for a 2nd and a 3rd. But, now we're getting into the territory where N'awlins has to think whether or not they value his production at his cap hit, or the draft picks, more.... AND, we still have to account for that salary (almost identical to what Jarvis is getting) while also still keeping enough to rebuild the defense. We may have to look at a restructure; put a fat chunk in his pocket now for lower salaries down the line.


Heh, so many options and facets to consider. It will be interesting to watch what Berry & Company end up doing.

I'd take Thomas over an untested rookie but who knows maybe the Saints would settle for a 2nd and a 3rd or even if we gave up our first we could still possibly get a guy like Jahan Dotson or George Pickens in the 2nd round. Better yet maybe we could trade down in the first round before we make the trade.

Yikes….I am a Michael Thomas fan, but there is no way in hell I am giving up a 1st rounder for him.

He’s an amazing receiver….but he’s 29 and very injury prone.

Glenn Cook gives behind-the-scenes look at scouting process with NFL Combine on the horizon

Cook, the VP of Player Personnel, provided a glimpse of what the Browns will look for as the NFL Combine returns in Indianapolis following a one-year hiatus

The Browns have been in offseason mode for the last month, but Glenn Cook and the rest of the Browns' front office and scout team are knee-deep in perhaps their most important season of the year.

Draft season.

It's already here even though the real draft isn't for another 73 days, but countless hours will be spent by Cook, the Vice President of Player Personnel who's been with the organization since 2016, and the rest of the Browns' scouting team breaking down prospects and sorting out which players will be worth doing extra digging for ahead of the 2022 Scouting Combine.

That event, a week-long gathering where some 300 prospects will conduct drills and complete several meetings with numerous teams, is set to take place March 1-7 in Indianapolis. It's a return to normalcy for NFL front offices and scouts after the event didn't take place in 2021 due to the pandemic, and Cook provided a glimpse on just how valuable the week can be for evaluation purposes.

"It's a nice snapshot for a couple of things," he said on a recent episode of Best Podcast Available. "One, you get the medical information, which is important to understand where they are physically. Two, it's another exposure to them as a person, getting a preview into how they think or the things they believe. Three, it's competition. What are they doing on the field, and what drills do they participate in or don't participate in?"

Even though this year's combine will largely look closer to the normal schedule the Browns were accustomed to before the pandemic, Cook and his squad are still preparing to scout among some slight drill changes the league is implementing for prospects. The changes are being made to better simulate game-related movements and actions.

Wide receivers and tight ends, for example, will run crossing routes instead of wheel routes, where the player runs horizontally behind the line of scrimmage before bursting straight upfield and looking for a pass. Crossing routes will have the players run upfield first before cutting horizontally — a route that is a bit more common for receivers and tight ends in an actual game.

Drills for offensive linemen, defensive players and running backs have also been revised to more closely mirror in-game movements.

"We'll see over time how effective (the changes) were," Cook said. "I like how the league and teams incorporate the feedback, and we need to grow. Things change. We're playing the game a little bit differently. You do want to see if you can absorb or get different information out of doing something maybe a little unique to what we've done the last couple decades."

Much of Cook's work, however, won't revolve around the workouts, but rather the meetings. Teams will meet with several prospects across the week to discuss college film, their football backgrounds and ask questions that will help the Browns decide how well a player might fit on the team — both in the schemes and locker room.

Those discussions, especially for players likely to be drafted in the middle and late rounds, are just as important, if not more valuable than the workouts themselves. And it's something Cook and the Browns are looking forward to doing after completing many of those meetings in the last two years via video calls.

"It's really our first time being able to get a first-hand account of who they are, how they got to the university and what their experience was like," he said. "There are other bits of information that our coaching staff can get, or our other auxiliary groups, into assessing who they are as an individual.

"The way we talk about it is we will not know who they are after a 15 minute meeting … but there are bits and pieces you can get that maybe answer a few small questions along the way."

The work won't slow down for the scouts after the combine as colleges host their individual pro days in the eight weeks that separate the combine from the draft. Free agency will be wedged in between those two dates, too, which could drastically affect the Browns' draft plans depending on who they're able to sign.

So casting a wide net for who to evaluate at the combine is always important. It's still early in the offseason, but the Browns already have a large pool of prospects they'll be monitoring in the next few months — and their evaluations of many of those players are likely farther along than usual after the Browns sent four of their coaches to coach and develop players in the East-West Shrine Bowl.

Plenty of work, though, remains ahead, as the Browns' front office and scouts seek to make the most of perhaps their most important time of the year.

"Once we get through this part of our draft meetings, we'll double back and make sure our plan is really tight and clean in terms of free agency," Cook said. "We'll have a full-boar, aggressive process there, and then we'll have our minds on the draft and make sure we bring in the right men and talent into the organization."

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/new...p7f-m3vtAB7VOhd4Rw0kj8z-qX2kanQ4qH7JlOso

Jordan Davis " While Davis showcases nimble feet and impressive play speed, he could be quicker at the point of the snap. In the games studied, he seemed slow off the snap with little explosion. If he could make strides in that area, it would significantly improve his play. "

This is were the right Team and right D line Coach will be so important to this Young man. I believe he has greater skill's yet to be developed ..