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the fact that obamacare is working at all despite the constant barrage of cannon fire thrown at it by the GOP is a miracle. could you imagine where the ACA would be if our elected official did their jobs and worked on improving and updating the policy instead of trying to get rid of it?

the people who cry about the ACA had no plans themselves.

the democratic party is full of flawed people, and i certainly have a problem with the party. but at the end of the day, atleast the democratic party has a platform to criticize. at least they have plans, ideas, and policies to criticize.

the GOP constantly says no to everything, yet have no platform or ideas of their own. they dont know how to solve the problems, no idea how to start to discuss the problems, but they swear up and down whatever the democrats come up with is the wrong approach.

the GOP is constantly telling americans what we cant do. well damn, what CAN we do? how CAN we move forward? some of the policies the dems want to create can be called pie in the sky and all that.

but i rather try to achieve that than the stagnation that GOP advocates for. i rather try to get to a utopia than going backwards. i want this country to be an actual melting pot. the dems represent that, no matter how flawed some of their ideas are.

the GOP represent stagnation. they represent the idea that america should remain just a collection of demographics. there's nothing the GOP is currently offering that i want any part of.

if i gotta deal with the inconvenience of arguing about gender neutral pronouns and feminism while getting infrastructure done and drug crisis under control, then whatever.

but the GOP is offering culture wars, big government based on theology, and economic tribalism. they can miss me with that BS.

Portland, I have been away from dt for a while so I have just seen your kind offer for discussion. I would enjoy that as long as it remains amiable. Since I am here already I will start with a few thoughts.

Fascism was a term Mussolini used for his Italian movement. They used violence and intimidation against anyone who criticized or challenged them. They did not believe in individual rights or personal freedoms. The government was the only thing that mattered. The word comes from a Latin term meaning “ uncle of sticks” I think. Society (the bundle) takes precedence over the individual (the stick).

Naziism believes in everything fascists believe, employ all the tactics and violence fascists use. Nazis add the racial hatred component. They believe in a super race. They use a phrase from philosopher nietzche, maybe something like “Uber mensh”, they means super race. I probably have that German wrong. So it is true that while all nazis are fascists not all fascists are nazis.

Both fascism and naziism are truly evil philosophies and forms of governing. When they held power they both did despicable things. We fought a horrible, destructive war to defeat them. The loss of life and property from that war is immeasurable but the need to defeat these people made it necessary. The evil of these forms of government was off the charts despicable but we are 75 years removed from fascism and naziism being defeated so I think many have forgotten what horror they represent.

Hence, when I see someone call Senator Josh Hawley a fascist, President Trumpa a nazi, shoot, even call me a nazi, I know they are ignorant of the evil those people brought to the world. Senator Hawley is a mainstream conservative who shares many of his beliefs with 40% or more of Americans. If he sat down at the table with my Dad they would agree on most everything. If Hawley is a fascist my Dad was a fascist. Problem is Dad spent the winter of 44 freezing his ass off at the Battle of the Bulge fighting fascists.

Not only do I not believe Hawley is a facist or Trump is a nazi, I do it think there is one single nazi or facist in a national elected position in our government. I think we have several anti semites but no nazis.

So Portland, that pretty much sums up where I was coming from in that exchange. I would add one final thought. You asked what a poster I was disagreeing with got wrong. The poster did not describe anything about fascists he just called people fascists and nazis , including me. In my experience call someone a nazi is a “conversation stopper”. There is just nothing left to say after that.

Portland, I look forward to your comments and hope to continue this conversation.

I think what is being missed is not the end result, but the tactics they used to become what they ended up being. Look at the things they were saying in the beginning. Painting everyone who disagreed with them inferior or evil. Not based on their actions, but their politics and color. Treating those who were a different color with less rights or respect. Eroding the rights of others and bolstering their own. You can hear it in their speeches. Things like "If you don't fight like hell you won't have a country anymore". Like if those with opposing views are elected, it will somehow destroy their country. How people who think and believe differently than they do will destroy their nation.

Will it lead to a totally fascist government? Will it lead to something similar to Hitler and the Nazi's? That I couldn't tell you. But the rhetoric that was being used in the very beginning of both these movements is not much different than what we're seeing today.

kiethfromxenis… (sorry but all I can see is Gummo)… I think you’ve mistaken dawglover05’s posts for mine.

That said…

The articles Super is posting are filled with tropes, dog whistled hate speech (China virus… it’s called COVID.), and general douchery. It’s how my dad writes/emails me anymore. If I won’t tolerate it from him I won’t tolerate it from ‘reporters/writers’ or other keyboard warrior types.

I’ve never called you, or anyone else on this board a Nazi, racist, or fascist. Ever. Period.

I’m not going to get into a back and forth here. It’s not how I want to spend my energy. Besides I have a similar email chain going with my father right now. If I barely want to waste my time with him, I’m certainly not doing with you or anyone else.

Keep readying garbage articles like the one’s Super is posting. Let that type of rhetoric seep into your brain. All good. Enjoy.

Hawley is neither a fascist or Nazi. He’s just a trashy person with a low intellect and a low moral compass.

j/c:

Ex-Director of National Intelligence says Hillary tried to 'frame' Trump with a 'false Russian collusion' narrative: Furious former Clinton campaign lawyer charged in special counsel's probe plays the witch-hunt card

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...frame-Trump-false-Russian-collusion.html

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'I can't speak to that': Biden's Deputy Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre tells reporter THREE times to go to DOJ when pressed on Durham's bombshell allegations that Hillary spied on Trump when he was President- and that Biden and Obama KNEW

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-Durhams-claims-Hillary-spied-Trump.html

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Turns out the real threat to ‘norms’ was the Hillary Clinton campaign

https://nypost.com/2022/02/14/turns-out-the-real-threat-to-norms-was-the-clinton-campaign/

If illegal things occurred, pin them to the wall for all I care.

I just want the GOP’rs to show equal fire for donny taking truck loads of documents, illegally, to his trashy palace in Florida.

Crickets from your side.

John Ratcliffe, Trump's DNI nominee, follows QAnon Twitter. That's disqualifying.

Our nation needs an honest broker in the intelligence role, not a highly partisan conspiracy monger who would preside over the further dismantling of our intelligence community.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...inee-follows-qanon-twitter-s-ncna1200726

j/c...

They won't say it out load, but behind the scenes, Dems have their fingers crossed that she may actually be bored and plan on leaving her $h*tty job.

AOC blames crime surge on child tax credit ending, calls Congress ‘s–t show’
By Bruce Golding
February 14, 2022 2:34pm Updated

New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez whined about her job and blamed the expiration of the expanded child tax credit for fueling crime in a new interview where she claimed that parents are stealing baby formula to feed their kids.

The firebrand socialist ignored the fact that a thriving, nationwide black market in stolen baby formula was documented more than five years ago and that the item was being pilfered from city stores long before the tax credit expired, with cops calling it a favorite of the alleged “Man of Steal” shoplifter Isaac Rodriguez, who racked up at least 46 arrests last year.

Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), representing the Bronx and Queens, also complained about her $174,000-a-year gig as a federal lawmaker, calling Congress a “s–t show” that she claims has her thinking about walking away from politics “all the time.”

“I ate s–t when I was a waitress and bartender, and I eat s–t as a member of Congress. It’s called a job, you know?” she told the New Yorker in potty-mouthed remarks posted online Monday.

Ocasio-Cortez further insisted that the recent election of Mayor Eric Adams, a former NYPD cop, on a law-and-order platform was not “evidence of some sort of decision around policing,” and she accused America of ignoring the reasons behind the rise in crime that accompanied the COVID-19 pandemic.

“Because we run away from substantive discussions about this, we don’t want to say some of the things that are obvious, like, Gee, the child-tax credit just ran out, on December 31st, and now people are stealing baby formula,” AOC said.

The New Yorker’s Q&A with Ocasio-Cortez was published two days after the firebrand progressive stumped for two fellow Democrats in Texas, where she predicted that the Lone Star State “turning blue” was “inevitable.”

But in her Feb. 1 interview, Ocasio-Cortez, the leading face of the Democratic Socialists of America, acknowledged supporting a socialist mayoral candidate in Buffalo last year in a race “which ultimately didn’t pan out.”

Ocasio-Cortez avoided answering a number of tough questions from the New Yorker, refusing to rate President Biden’s performance in office, reveal whether she plans to challenge Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) or say whether House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) should be replaced.

Ocasio-Cortez also wouldn’t name names when asked which fellow Democrats have “disappointed” her, saying only, “I still am disappointed in leadership and in my colleagues, because, ultimately these conversations about ‘defund [the police],’ or this, that, and the other, are what is happening in public and popular conversations.”

At one point, Ocasio-Cortez said former MNBC host Brian Williams helped paint her as a “radical socialist” and she claimed that the response to the controversial “Tax the Rich” dress she wore to last year’s exclusive Met Gala was “quite positive” in her community.

Ocasio-Cortez also defended her decision to spar online with her critics, including calling Republicans “creepy weirdos” after Steve Cortes, who was a campaign adviser to ex-President Donald Trump, mocked her boyfriend’s “gross pale male feet” and “hideous sandals” during the couple’s trip to Miami last month.

“And sometimes how I feel is, if I’m going to be this, like, commodified avatar thing, then I’m going to play with it, like a toy,” she said.

i understand the overall point AOC is making. she's correct, even though some of her reasonings can be debated.

by the way, she has way more experienced in dealing with everyday Americans than a good portion of our elected officials. too many of our officials came through the good ole boy system or just straight up paid for it.

i mean, my everyday reality relates for more to AOC than it does somebody who was born into wealth, or someone's reality where they're surrounded by other business owners.

so i can see if someone disagrees with AOC because their day to day reality involves upper level corporate and wealthy demographics on a regular basis. but those are very few people compared to the rest of america.

and after 4 years of trump, i cant even pretend to get worked up over foul language like hers. that's recess in elementary school compared to Trump and his acolytes.

Pfffftt... I couldn't care less about her language or delivery, it's actually one of her redeeming qualities. I think it's funny that she's always threatening to quit congress and calls it a "s__t-show" (rather true) and refers to her role as an "eat s--t" proposition that pays the bills.

And then, in the same interview, jumps on her fellow democrats for not vigorously humping "defund"... as if that's a reason for the crime problem.

I guess it's simple: No police and free baby formula on street corners and we could nip theft and crime in the bud.

She's raised my radar though... I'll start watching for the jacked Similac trucks and riots outside Babies Are Us.

well, the american people constantly frame elected officials as trash, so why are you critical of her acknowledge that her job is indeed trash?

we're just on a different wavelength on this one bro. all she did was say what literally everyone says about their job, "job sucks, i wish i could quit but it pays the bills".

she's still an american first before she's a government employee. and her criticizing her own party....i thought thats what we the people wanted? our elected officials to not toe the party line, and call out their own if necessary? thats a bad thing now? thats a negative mark to you?

the government is highly disorganized and woefully inefficient, has been before for a while now. her highlighting that as one of MANY reasons why the crime rate is up is a fact.


so im just struggling to understand what the problem is with what she said. she comes from the same background that most americans do, isnt a career politician, didnt grow up in the upper class society, and isn't a lawyer. so she has the credibility to say these things, AND what she said is the truth.

her language and delivery is what got you posting about this from the jump. you certainly didn't post this because you agree with her.

AOC is one of few REAL people in congress. It's easy to like politicians when all they ever say or do is what you want to see and hear. And a line of BS and a photo op to fulfill that want is all you are really getting. Meanwhile, they mostly act for themselves and the donor/corp class. But I can see the confusion. She's trying to relay that it's not all sunshine and unicorns in her life, not what she expected in Washington (she and progressives would like to get things done), and sometimes it all seems so fruitless… But I would call it more than bitching about her crappy job, I think it's a feather in her hat for not sugarcoating and not being satisfied. I don't think any of them should be satisfied with the job they've been doing so far.

j/c:

I’ve said this before, but I disagree with a lot of AOC’s policies and solutions, but I very much respect her motivations, far more than I respect those of nearly all other people in Congress.

I also agree with a lot of things that she identifies as problems. A lot of people (not FATE) are so reactionary to what she and her caucus say, that she could point to a house being blatantly on fire and people would say she’s insane.

Do not live your life in the lies of the rich and powerful people.
Remember the rich and powerful have no power except that which was given them from above.

Hilary Clingon was saying some words, <(It was a typeo, but, why not leave it, it's cute)

Hillary ClinTon was saying some words and I couldn't tell if the speech was from 2022, or 1991, every point out of her mouth was so old, so rehashed, so out of touch, it's apparent she had no real, ideas, solutions, plans, answers, or even attempts at any of them.

"Hilary Clingon"

That's funny.

From above? The rich have to take their pants off to crap too bro, they are just people, they're not divine beings nor influenced such.

Sometimes throw, you just don't know what you think you know, until you really do know.

Surprise: I think I understood what THROW was trying to say.



I took that comment to mean this: The Almighty has granted each of us equal status in His eye, so the rich and powerful are no more important (or privileged) than the rest of us. Also implying that any power they seem to have over the rest of us was given to them BY US.

Hey, THROW LONG: did I understand you correctly? Did I get your intent?

Damn, you may be well on your way to cracking sacred Dawgtalker code for the algorithmic prose known as THROW. In practice, one really has to slow one's self down to even have a chance.

I tip my cap, but also nominate you for future interpretations.

Going back and reading, I realize I glossed right over that post in favor of "Hillary Clingon"... and the harsh realization that she may very well be the next, next democratic presidential candidate.

What was the Almighty thinking before tossing that slo-mo knuckleball???

#bourbonagain #rabbitholeryeandjamesonorange #lazymansoldfashioned

Hillary will never run again.

Who do you think will be on the card in '24?

I don't think Biden can win again, curious as to your opinion.

You're good Clem, but not THAT good.

"Better" .... the only way is up. "Better than Trump" and "Better than Biden". If Larry Hogan was running I could vote for him based on what I know right now.

That's a good question. I don't think the dems will want Biden to run again, rather he does or doesn't. I hope not. And I think he's doing a fair job so far, but he's too damn old for another 4 IMHO. For the same reason, I don't see Bernie or Hillary putting their hats in the ring. Kamala might try if Biden bows out, but I would struggle with that for sure. Would love to see AOC or Katie Porter “on a ticket”, but I doubt that ever happens either. The DNC will dig up another establishment centrist Demosaur, wouldn't surprise me if they try to run Jim Clyburn or another high ranking centrist. But to be honest, I'm sick of conservative dems like Manchin, and wouldn't care if BOTH parties split up, and we elected a true independent. I just want somebody that cares as much or more about regular people than corps and big donors. They don't have to be progressive, but we need more progressive policies to level the playing field. This (corporate greed) “hyperinflation” is eventually going to end, but I doubt prices fall much after. So, I think the next POTUS is going to have to go after big money players and finagle making sure the poor have enough and the rich don't keep staking as quite much. Hearing a lot of calls for an excess profits tax of 90%. Of course that is after an initial amount of profit in the millions, not sure how much before the 90% kicks in. This is similar to what we did from the late 1800s through the 50s on different occasions. Here's a wiki on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_profits_tax


BTW - progressives aren't talking much about running anyone to be honest. They seem focused on 2022 right now. Senate is up for grabs, maybe the house.

I feel for people like you right now. Not supporting Trump, but trying to remain on the right in the post Trump era has to be difficult. Your primaries should have a wackadoodle score badge, so you know what you're voting for… else you might end up with a bunch of MGTs and Josh Mandels. I hope to hell Josh Mandel is not Ohio's next Senator or I may have to move.

The fight is real. If you look at Mandel over the years, it’s obvious to see how fake the guy is. He’s trying to route the easiest way to power, in his mind. The guy is so desperate for Trump’s support, too.

Years ago, Vance seemed like he might be somewhat respectable, but he’s gone crazy now, too. He and MTG were just in my neck of the woods at a Marriott a month or two ago, campaigning together. I can’t go for anyone who seeks her endorsement.

So, yeah, that leaves us with diddly on the right.

Actually, what I thought when I saw Zelensky in that gear was, here is an actual president in war-time gear getting ready to fight against a superior military force who may very well want to kill him.

And then there’s Ted Cruz who went to Mexico when the weather got bad.

And there was congress that hid instead of defending the capitol.

AOC can't break a nail.

Yes, she was afraid of breaking a nail while insurrectionists hunted the halls wanting to kill her. You disgust me.

You disgust me more. Our congress are a bunch of pussies, including the libtards. They could never compare to the Ukranianes. I saw one of their Parliment women literally holding an AR and stating she was going to fight on the front lines. AOC only cares if her hair and makeup is fixed, her nails done, and when the next photo op is so she can prepare her faux tears.

Jc

Shout out to the Dems. Thanks for remembering that when it comes to international politics, it’s all about team America. Thanks for not rooting for Putin or campaigning with white supremacist, or bowing to conspiracy theorist and incels.

Because sometimes, the Truth needs to be hammered home, in no uncertain terms.

Maybe if they had guns and body armor it may have been different. You seem to neglect to say that Volodymyr Zelenskyy had time to get body armor and a weapon. Which is how things should have been for the Jan. 6th insurrectionists when they tried to overthrow our elections. I believe that's how our founding fathers would have handled it. Of course with all the whining they're doing now about how "unfair they were treated" coming from trump, I can't imagine how much they would be whining had they been met with dominant force. Why am I not surprised such comments would be coming from you?