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FYI, San Francisco can't sign DA at the highest tender level, they have no first round pick. Instead, New England has it, which really sucks. A potential undefeated team getting a probably top 5 pick. Ugh.
Actually, San Fran does have a 1st rounder that they acquired from Indianapolis, but they still wouldn't be able to make an offer because it wasn't their (San Fran's) own pick.
As an FYI, I just heard Adam Schefter (sp?) on the NFL Network say there' a possibility that we franchise DA which means we'd get TWO 1st rounders. The franchise hasn't been used on a RFA since Terrell Owens in 1999.
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Haha...so true Too bad our Browns didn't take him up on it 
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No way that happens. No team in their right mind would give up that much for DA and we are not going to pay him that much.
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As an FYI, I just heard Adam Schefter (sp?) on the NFL Network say there' a possibility that we franchise DA which means we'd get TWO 1st rounders. The franchise hasn't been used on a RFA since Terrell Owens in 1999
LOL,,, I think it's far fetched that someone would give us a 1st and 3rd for DA,,,(possible, but far fetched) thinking two 1st rounders is like thinking I'm gonna be the next man on the moon.... 
And that ain't gonna happen either.....
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Just relaying what Schefter said. I don't think anyone would be nuts enough to do that either, plus DA's salary would jump from something like $1.8m to about $14m.
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Oh No,, I understand,.... No problem! 
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adam schefter is barely credible...
i remember him saying over the summer that lance briggs to washington was a done deal, lolz... how'd that turn out adam?
i don't know who's more annoying, him or jay glazer.
neither, it's rich eisen.
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Lets just see how the season plays out. The Browns have been riding the DA train. What if it gets derailed? In what direction do all these DA and RAC discussions turn if DA and the Browns falter down the stretch? I think most of us are getting caught in the frenzy of the moment. Our two games against Pitt were identical to last years, only the order was reversed. They were just as disappointing this year as last year. If DA starts having problems so does this team and these discussions will start to take on a decidedly different character. DA has played better than anyone thought, lets see if he can continue before he is annoited and we dump BQ.
What is scary is that many are saying 9 wins and the playoffs are a given, we could even win out. Wow, when the season started most predicted 6-7 wins. I for one don't feel the remaining games are a cake walk.
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What is scary is that many are saying 9 wins and the playoffs are a given, we could even win out. Wow, when the season started most predicted 6-7 wins. I for one don't feel the remaining games are a cake walk.
without question.
however, i think the people here mean that these games are very winnable...
they should be favored in just about every game...
but while these are winnable, they are also losable..
arizona, not a great team, but tough at home...
cincin and baltimore are both down, but divisonal games don't come easy.
buffalo is quietly 5-4
to be honest, the only real cakewalk is san francisco...
the jets game even scares me a bit...
but i think what people are getting at, is we don't play any elite teams, we won't be double digit underdogs the rest of the way... no more patriots, steelers, or any of that...
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FYI, San Francisco can't sign DA at the highest tender level, they have no first round pick. Instead, New England has it, which really sucks. A potential undefeated team getting a probably top 5 pick. Ugh.
Actually, San Fran does have a 1st rounder that they acquired from Indianapolis, but they still wouldn't be able to make an offer because it wasn't their (San Fran's) own pick.
As an FYI, I just heard Adam Schefter (sp?) on the NFL Network say there' a possibility that we franchise DA which means we'd get TWO 1st rounders. The franchise hasn't been used on a RFA since Terrell Owens in 1999.
If we did that, savage should be drawn and quarterd, then shot.
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The guy is setting himself up for success on some other team... the guy is doing well from what I can see. The guy hasn't thrown an int in like 3 games now... that is something that is amazing considering people slated him as an int machine... I think we'll see a very very hot very improved DA by season's end. I personally think we might get a 1st and I'd love to be back in the first round. It'd hilarious if we ending up getting a higher pick than dallas.
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Well, Ive been one of DA's biggest critics. he has shown me much improvement in his decision makeing. Is he perfect? No, far from it, but he has improved. He took a steo back this week with a poor showing. I'm not ready to jump ship on him though. I want to see how hw looks for the rest of the year before I decide what I think. Early on people were singing his praises because we were putting up big numbers. They just dismissed people like me who stood up and said he was getting lucky. The truth is he was very lucky. He was constanly throwing into double,triple and sometimes quadrouple coverage. He had a lot of ints. tht were just dropped. That has not been happening. His accuracy is still bad, especially on short passes. That can improve, but I'm not sure about him getting better when rolling out. I think anyone who just dismisses him out of hand are being a little rash. Same thing for those who think he can do no wrong.
I don't really agree with Toad however. He thinks teams that watch film of him will see him as a fraud and not give us anything near a 1st and 3rd. I don't think that will be the case. If he can continue on the path he was on recently (exception of Pitt game) I can see someone making a play for him. Maybe not a 1st and 3rd, but something pretty good.
There has been examples in the past of players that pop up and seem to be very good, only to fail miserably. I have a hard time believing the signs were not there, rather GMs overlooking them for quick fixes.
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ya know what though. The fact that DA is so young is what gives us the belief that its possible to get such good returns for him.
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Lot of good points being made, on both sides.
We don't know what'll happen, that's the thing.
No one predicted DA would be as good as he he's been, so pardon me when I say the jury is still out. He had a poor game in Pitt. to an extent, but the Steelers 'D' is a very good one. He has drawbacks, but the good has outweighed the bad a lot of Sundays this season.
Lots of questions that only time can answer.
Could BQ bust, or be ordinary? Is DA not the real deal?
What if he is?
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FYI, San Francisco can't sign DA at the highest tender level, they have no first round pick. Instead, New England has it, which really sucks. A potential undefeated team getting a probably top 5 pick. Ugh.
New England is not going to go undefeated.. The Dolphins are going to beat them in week 16...mark your calendars and my word on that.
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My fear is the same as most on here. What DA has proven this season is that he will improve over time. WE can see his decision making is getting better, his performance and touch needs to improve though. If we don't keep him, DA will start for some other team that is in desparate need of a franchise quarterback, i.e Miami, San Fran, Chicago, Atlanta. I think he will excell, especailly if he lands Chi town. Now if this happens and BQ ends up a bust, we are back to square one with finding a fanchise QB and we will be known as that screw up of a team that made the stupid decision to let a good one go.
I paid the extra money for Sunday Ticket just to watch my Browns play, thats even when I predicted us only winning maybe 6 or 7 games at the most. I see the same games you all do every week and I don't miss one. HAving said that, I must be missing something and the media must be missing something as well because outside of these boards all I hear and see written is how well DA is performing and how he is a huge reason we have turned around and are finally getting respected as a competitive franchise this year. I'm not saying he's perfect, he's definitely not, but he is improving; if you watch the games, you cannot deny that. (I remember many on here state how DA will never get better and isn't starting material).
Regardless of fan favorites and stubborness when it comes to opinions of a good QB and letting our love of roookie prospects cloud reality, why can't we take pleasure in the upward progress of this team as whole. I am enjoying my beloved Browns winning and going into games with a positive attitude. Any QB or player for that matter that is putting us into the position to be competitve gets my approval. It would be really foolish not to sign Anderson for at least 1 more season and have him named the starter through that seaon as well and see if we may have found something special under our noses (I'm not saying that DA is special, but that the possibility is there much like the posibility that Brady Quinn can be a good NFL QB, both of which is yet to be proven).
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EO Nice post I agree with most of what you said, and it was well said.
There isn't much doubt in my mind that whatever DA can do BQ can do better.
The biggest flaw DA has is well he really has 2. He is not as accurate as you would hope and he doesn't adjust well during games. Or at least he hasn't yet.
The Steelers were there for the taking, and he lit them up when they blitzed but when they stopped blitzing he stunk it up with his dump off's. He seems keyed in to make a certain play and doesn't make good adjustments if the play isn't there. In other words, he was focused on throwing the ball down the field but when he was forced to make an adjustment and dump the ball off, he couldn't get it done. Yes balls were dropped, but he was well he was wild. What should have been easy completions turned into an adventure. I think and RAC stated the same given the lack of a pass rush and given the fact that the Steeler LB's were dropping back if he would have held the ball just a bit longer even if he had taken the dump off the play would have been far more productive. Not to mention the longer your able to hold the ball the more likely that someone is actually going to come open down the field. This was a game where his quick release worked against him, and he wasn't able to make the adjustment.
Now there are those that will say your nit picking, and I am and so are you EO. Yes we are but those are the things that I think make BQ better in the long haul then DA. I want to say this too. I don't think DA has yet to reach his full potential, to this point I can say without a second of hesitation the guy is light years better then he was at the start of the season. But at this point I think BQ, is better able to do everything that DA can do, and better in every respect. BQ, will light up teams if alls they give him is the underneath stuff. His release is on or near on par with DA's and he reads what the defense is giving as quickley as any QB. I think the real thing that will seperate BQ from DA though is his ability to anticipate recievers coming open. That is the one huge flaw I see in DA, his lack of anticipation, and I don't think you can coach a guy up on this part of their game.
Having said all that I want the Browns to re-sign DA period. It cannot be a bad thing to have 2 QB's under contract. Starting money or not. We can take the hit this season to the cap, and I believe whatever we decide to do in regards to DA it would only increase his marketablity.
My guess is will get back into the 1st round, PS will make the move, there isn't reason enough to not make that move of course it comes down to is BQ ready?? I think at this stage if he isn't then we need to trade him, and keep DA. I would love to see what BQ can do at some point this season. However as was pointed out by EO, DA doesn't react well to competition, and it may set him back to see BQ given a shot. It shouldn't but it might. However if BQ is as good as I think he will be operating this offense then it will spell the end for DA anyway.
I want to say this DA has been a huge part of the success of the Browns this season, I believe him to be a QB with a huge upside if he can correct just a few things in his game, and I think he will get his chance to be a very successful QB in the NFL, but I don't think it will be with the Browns, I think as great as he has played, we have better waiting to take his place. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be the guy that has to make this decision, but I have made up my mind that BQ is the better option for the Browns,and if I was to bet, I would bet that RAC and PS will reach the same conclusion.
I know there are those that believe in DA, I do too. I honest to God absolutely love the job he has done. He is going to be a good QB, in the NFL. He will get better, but I don't think he will ever be the QB that Brady will be, and I honest to God mean no disrespect to DA, he will be a huge part of the future success of the Browns long after he is gone, because we will get a player or perhaps 2 that will be able to help this team get over the hump.
SB or bust in 2008
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he's not alone in that department.. I pay so little attention to what those guys say...
Guys like Charlie Casserly are more believable given his history as a pretty darn good GM and kinda NFL Insider and relationship with various GM's and Coachs... So I believe him when he says he called so and so and they told him something... But he's about it.
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adam schefter is barely credible...
he's not alone in that department.. I pay so little attention to what those guys say...
Guys like Charlie Casserly are more believable given his history as a pretty darn good GM and kinda NFL Insider and relationship with various GM's and Coachs... So I believe him when he says he called so and so and they told him something... But he's about it.
Hate to take this off topic sorry for doing it. Watched Brian Bollinger last night on AFC playbook, and he said that the Ravens would beat the Browns becuase of our poor run defense.
While I would be tempted to think the same if I hadn't watched the Browns defense play over the past 3 weeks, based on stats alone, he is wide of the mark with his comments I thought anyway. Anybody that had spent any length of time whatsoever watching the Browns defense over the course of their last 3 games would quickley realize that the defense has improved against the run. He clearly hasn't done his homework, and shame on him for that.
At the end of the day though fans have little to base their opinions of a team on, becuase we don't watch all the games, we watch guys like Shefter and Bollinger, and take what they have to say to heart, when in reality they are just as lost as lost can get. I agree Casserly is pretty good, but I wouldn't think any GM or coach would ever convey any real earth shaking info to him, becuase after all it ends up on national TV.
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If we got a 1st round pick for DA, it would be like we traded DA for BQ....weird.
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If we got a 1st round pick for DA, it would be like we traded DA for BQ....weird.
LOL Yeah,, wierd is a good word for it
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adam schefter is barely credible...
he's not alone in that department.. I pay so little attention to what those guys say...
Guys like Charlie Casserly are more believable given his history as a pretty darn good GM and kinda NFL Insider and relationship with various GM's and Coachs... So I believe him when he says he called so and so and they told him something... But he's about it.
Hate to take this off topic sorry for doing it. Watched Brian Bollinger last night on AFC playbook, and he said that the Ravens would beat the Browns becuase of our poor run defense.
While I would be tempted to think the same if I hadn't watched the Browns defense play over the past 3 weeks, based on stats alone, he is wide of the mark with his comments I thought anyway. Anybody that had spent any length of time whatsoever watching the Browns defense over the course of their last 3 games would quickley realize that the defense has improved against the run. He clearly hasn't done his homework, and shame on him for that.
At the end of the day though fans have little to base their opinions of a team on, becuase we don't watch all the games, we watch guys like Shefter and Bollinger, and take what they have to say to heart, when in reality they are just as lost as lost can get. I agree Casserly is pretty good, but I wouldn't think any GM or coach would ever convey any real earth shaking info to him, becuase after all it ends up on national TV.
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Not to keep it off topic but I looked up some stats regarding our rush defense and 100 yard games surrendered. Except for Sammy Morris (102 yards) and Ronnie Brown (101 yards), the rest ALL have one thing in common, we let them bust a long run of 20+ yards. It looks like, for the most part, we are giving up shorter runs and then BANG a running back like Willie Parker busts a 31 yarder (last week). If we can JUST prevent that long run...
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but i think what people are getting at, is we don't play any elite teams, we won't be double digit underdogs the rest of the way... no more patriots, steelers, or any of that...
Exactly... Buffalo is the only team left on our schedule that presently has a winning record. That doesn't mean we can take the other teams for granted, it just means that if you want to consider yourself a good team, you have to beat the sub .500 teams MOST of the time.
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Browns have tough offseason choice to make with Anderson
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Cleveland surrendered one first-round pick for a quarterback this year. But it’s possible, if they choose, that the Browns could get back two first-round picks for another quarterback.
While the popular opinion has been that the Browns will give restricted free agent quarterback Derek Anderson a qualifying offer with the highest tender -- $2.562 million, which would bring back first- and third-round draft choices to Cleveland if another team signed him -- there also is another viable and pricey scenario that has gone virtually ignored.
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Derek Anderson is making a run for the money with a solid 2007 campaign for the Browns.
Cleveland still could opt to slap its franchise tag on Anderson, meaning that any team that signed him would have to surrender two first-round picks to the Browns.
The move would potentially be costly to Cleveland. It would increase the price it would pay for Anderson next season from $2.562 million to about $10.6 million. But there is no price a team can place on the value of a proven quarterback, a position Cleveland has struggled to fill since it re-entered the league.
And as pricey as it would be for Cleveland to keep Anderson, it would be even costlier for another team to pry him away.
Still, it’s extremely rare for a team to franchise a restricted free agent. Yet it has been done before.
The last time was 1999, when San Francisco slapped its franchise tag on restricted free agent wide receiver Terrell Owens, which carried along a price tag of $3.5 million. San Francisco could have been given a qualifying offer of $1.25 million that would have meant any team signing Owens to an offer sheet would have had to compensate the 49ers with first- and third-round draft picks. But San Francisco went the franchise route.
Owens was miffed the 49ers franchised him, but in the first week of June 1999, he still signed a seven-year, $34 million contract that included a $7.5 million signing bonus.
The franchise tag was the start of the end for Owens in San Francisco, but it could be just the beginning of an extended career in Cleveland for Anderson. Or it could be that Cleveland decides two first-round draft choices are worth a quarterback that has played at a Pro Bowl level this season.
It is the biggest decision the Browns will make this off-season.
Quarterback carousel
In the NFL, teams change quarterbacks even quicker than Tony Romo changes girlfriends.
When Miami’s John Beck and Kansas City’s Brodie Croyle start Sunday, they will become the 51st and 52nd different starting quarterbacks used this season -- two more than all of last year.
Dolphins starting QBs since Marino retired
Quarterback Year(s) W-L
Jay Fiedler 2000-04 36-23
Gus Frerotte 2005 9-6
Joey Harrington 2006 5-6
Brian Griese 2003 3-2
A.J Feeley 2004-05 3-5
Ray Lucas 2001-02 2-4
Damon Huard 1997-2000 1-0
Daunte Culpepper 2006 1-3
Sage Rosenfels 2002-05 0-2
Trent Green 2007 0-5
Cleo Lemon 2005-07 0-5
Now, partly due to injury and partly due to performance, quarterbacks are as much quarter-to-quarter as much as they are game-to-game.
Already, 17 teams have used two different starting quarterbacks. Two teams -- Carolina and Minnesota -- have used three different starting quarterbacks, and Miami will become the third team to start three quarterbacks this season when Beck takes the field at Philadelphia, becoming the 12th different starting quarterback for Miami since Dan Marino retired in 1999.
Things change so quickly now, that even the new faces are the old ones. Baltimore is going back to Kyle Boller, Buffalo to J.P. Losman, Chicago to Rex Grossman, Jacksonville to David Garrard, Minnesota to Tarvaris Jackson, Oakland to Daunte Culpepper and San Francisco to Trent Dilfer.
The changes are unending -- and there are still seven weeks left in the season.
All this proves, above else, how fragile the quarterback position really is and how incredible Brett Favre’s streak of 246 consecutive starts, dating to Sept. 27, 1992, actually is. Favre has become part Cal Ripken and all legend.
Not far behind him are the two quarterbacks with the next longest consecutive start streaks. Peyton Manning has started 165 straight games, Tom Brady 117. It’s probably no coincidence that football’s three most stable quarterbacks play on three of football’s top teams.
But this is a season, with its constant quarterback changes, that has become legendary in an entirely different way.
It has given us a whole new definition of turnover.
Just saw this on NFL.com I don't think sooo Allen
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Wait wait wait...Charley Casserly a good GM? The guy basically Dwight Clarked the Texans!
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Where are the quality quarterbacks?
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It seems like every year the NFL implements a new rule to help offenses. The goal is simple -- more offense equals more points equals more exciting games. Yet every week there are teams that struggle to put points on the board. I don't have a problem with a good defensive battle, but more than a few teams this year are making average defenses look like the 1985 Bears. The biggest problem in the NFL today is a lack of quality quarterbacks.
A quick glance at the NFL standings reveals just how important it is to have a top quarterback. It should come as no surprise that the top five teams in the NFL also have five of the best quarterbacks in the league –- Tom Brady (Patriots), Tony Romo (Cowboys), Brett Favre (Packers), Peyton Manning (Colts) and Ben Roethlisberger (Steelers). The teams at the bottom of the league seem to have the biggest issues at quarterback. One of the few exceptions to this rule is the Bengals, who have struggled despite having Carson Palmer at quarterback.
When the Baltimore Ravens won the Super Bowl in 2000, they ushered in an era where quarterbacks were mere caretakers. Teams would just try to run the ball and play good defense. But the reality is that you have to have a good quarterback to survive in the league. Look no further than the Carolina Panthers who started out strong, but have gone 2-4 since Jake Delhomme was injured. Or the Minnesota Vikings, who have one of the most exciting running backs in the league in Adrian Peterson, but can't win games because of the play of their quarterbacks.
The most pressing question is this: How do you develop quarterbacks? Former Packers GM Ron Wolf had a knack for finding quarterbacks, from Mark Brunell to Kurt Warner to Matt Hasselbeck. When you include Aaron Brooks and Ty Detmer, Wolf was able to draft or sign five NFL quarterbacks that the draft experts missed. But with NFL Europe gone, how do you develop young quarterbacks? NFL Europe had its flaws, but it was the only place that a young quarterback could get playing time. Brad Johnson, Warner, Delhomme and Jon Kitna all spent time honing their skills overseas.
The second-string quarterback gets the least experience of any player on an NFL roster. They don't get a few snaps every game like other young players. They don't play special teams. They don't even run the scout team, as that usually falls to the third-string quarterback. Any experience that they get is usually in the preseason, when defenses aren't blitzing or disguising coverages.
The Raiders and Dolphins are sitting on high draft picks, JaMarcus Russell and John Beck, respectively. If I were the coach of the Raiders or Dolphins, I would treat the rest of the season like an extended training camp and let these guys play. Will it be painful? Absolutely. I was playing for the Bengals when we transitioned from Ken Anderson to Boomer Esiason. I was good friends with Boomer and he must have thrown me the ball 20 times in his first game. I caught 10 or 12 and couldn't get out of bed the next day.
Another factor in all of this is the salary cap and the money teams are paying these guys. Take a look at the situation in San Diego. The Chargers developed Drew Brees into a pretty good quarterback, but because the team had invested a first-round draft pick and all of that money in Philip Rivers, they let Brees walk away. Of course, the existing power struggle between general manager A.J. Smith (who drafted Rivers) and then-coach Marty Schottenheimer (who preferred Brees) didn't help.
The Browns could find themselves in a similar situation with Derek Anderson, who was a backup when they spent a first-round pick on Brady Quinn. Since replacing Charlie Frye in Week 1, Anderson has turned into one of the most dynamic quarterbacks in the league. Anderson will be a restricted free agent after this year, and the Browns have a decision to make. Do they pay two quarterbacks, or do they dump Anderson for the untested Quinn? The Browns have been searching for a quarterback since Bernie Kosar left town and, now that they've found one, they can't just let him walk away. They need to keep them both.
If I was a general manager, the quarterback would be my highest-paid player, and his backup would be among the highest-paid as well. Because as this season has shown, if you don't have a quarterback, you’re not going to win.
More fuel for the DA fire!!!
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They need to keep them both.
If I was a general manager, the quarterback would be my highest-paid player, and his backup would be among the highest-paid as well. Because as this season has shown, if you don't have a quarterback, you’re not going to win.
...I totally agree with this,....we appear to be loaded at a critical pos. and unless a team is willing to sell the farm for one of them we need to sit tight with both....I have no problem with the money side of it,..most teams (if not all) have overpriced players not worth their salaries,...for me,..this is money well spent.
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"How do you know this? Based on college and a couple of pre-season games?"
I watched.
I don't guess I look at footwork technique and results. I don't need Good Defense, Bad defense to judge my QBs...I don't need STATs. I go by my eyes and what I see.
In most cases what I see especially from a rookie is not going to get worse but better especially if we have the proper environment so that they don't pick up bad habits. Which we do. And I looked at BQ long and hard - He throws great on the run...DA doesn't. He is highly accurate and makes good decisions on the underneath passes...DA is not.
He sets up his feet well in the pocket when he must make a lateral move to buy a little time. DA doesn't. He has better touch on the long passes where you don't have to gun it (there's a reason its nicknamed the Bomb) along with the corner fades. So DA has the seam route...which btw is the easiest throw...it was TCouch's best throw as well. And he has the Deep Out - I'll give him credit where its due...But BQ ain't no Holcomb either with the deep outs.
Don't give me some gobbledy goo about Ryan Leaf. Sorry thats not an argument against my eyes. Thats a paper argument...I'm talking football here.
All you DA guys remember this.
BQ will beat him out of the QB position if there is a competition and I think there will be. What you are talking about is signing our future backup QB to starting QB money and waste away on our bench - cause with our OL now (thank goodness) the QB doesn't get pummelled onto the IR as in years past.
Of course there is our other option...Get what we can for him and its turning into a lot. Which is the scenario I have been preaching about from day one...Frye or DA it didn't matter to me. I wanted them to succeed. I've stated that 90+ QB rating, great stats and .500 + wins We will get a lot for our future Backup. Of course I was laughed at then...just 4-5 weeks ago. Now there are stories by Adam Shector NFL Network stating we probably could reap 2 first round picks if we Franchise him.
We got a good remaining schedule left. A lot of opportunites to pad stats and gain Wins. DA will be revered by the media. I just hope the dolts don't take it too heart and bemoan BQ, Savage when we get a windfall from DA.
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"But, when you consider this, you must take into account the fact that DA throws a lot of balls far down the field. The majority of them aren't real short passes."
Thats a crock...most of his incompletions are on short underneath stuff.
But yes, He does throw an Inaccurate ball far down field also...just our WRs have more time to make a great play on them. 
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There is a lot of good in DA too, as you said we are nitpicking (possibly) but I'm just stating that he's not a great QB as the media are trying to play him up to be. In the Steeler game Sims was playing DA up as he saw a lot film on him - mostly hilites as DA did play his best technically sound games in Rams and Dolphins games.
There was a surprise in Sims tone about DA by the end of the game as if almost to think...wow, this guy aint as good as I thought he was.
Unless DA fall flat on his face - he should put up some great numbers and get us a decent amount of wins (who knows maybe even a playoff berth) which should have several teams looking into him. There will be much more good film on him (due to our OL ) then there will be Steeler 2nd half - and we should be able to get a lot for him.
The other option is to keep him here...as what our Backup and pay him starter money....BQ will beat him out. We would have to wait at least two-3 years to trade him cause of the signing bonus we will have to give.
It would have been nice to have a reliable backup like DA as the BQ era starts...but our offense Clicked and we got many weapons and freakin Joe Thomas addition has done wonders for our passing game. So DA is still the same DA streaky with his passes...good to great if he can sit in the pocket and yes, he can physically make all the throws. Can he improve on his bad notes...sure but there are some that seem physically impossible for him. And most have to do with footwork, he did show me some improvement on that in the Rams game...his best for accuracy.
JMHO - but by pointing out his negatives doesn't mean I dislike him or am bashing him....for crying out loud I'm saying he's worth a first round pick and more...what better compliment can I pay him. We are one of the few teams in position to do so. Brees had shoulder surgery and was not tall in the saddle.
Schaub had started like maybe 5 games sporadically and lost all of them.
Statistically the NFL hasn't seen a young late round pick QB come on the scene like this since Tom Brady or Romo from last year.
But DA is no Brady and not even a Romo.
Take the draft picks...go with our Franchise QB and our offense that is a machine with weapons. Build us into a dynasty!
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But yes, He does throw an Inaccurate ball far down field also...just our WRs have more time to make a great play on them
Eo Eo Eo,, I don't know how you can write that and keep a straight face man
Talk about crocks 
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Man, there's so much about your post that I don't agree with, and in fact I believe to be dead wrong. Where to start......
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In other words, he was focused on throwing the ball down the field but when he was forced to make an adjustment and dump the ball off, he couldn't get it done.
From what I saw of the game, this wasn't the case. In fact, I think it was the opposite.
He was WAY too quick to try and dump the ball short, having felt the blitz even though he wasn't put on the ground. My feeling was that his mental clock was screwed up and he was scared, flat scared. He was WAY too quick to check off his primaries, and I believe it to be because he was confused by the blitzes and coverages thrown at him. That's an experience issue.
I don't agree at all with your take.
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This was a game where his quick release worked against him, and he wasn't able to make the adjustment.
Not sure I've read a stranger statement in this thread. Make that ever! A QB's quick release.........being a BAD thing.........ummmmm...... 
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I think BQ, is better able to do everything that DA can do, and better in every respect. BQ, will light up teams if alls they give him is the underneath stuff. His release is on or near on par with DA's and he reads what the defense is giving as quickley as any QB.
It's nice to say this, but we really don't have enough proof to say for sure that this is the case. However, that's not my primary issue here.
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Having said all that I want the Browns to re-sign DA period. It cannot be a bad thing to have 2 QB's under contract. Starting money or not. We can take the hit this season to the cap, and I believe whatever we decide to do in regards to DA it would only increase his marketablity.
That's some of the most confusing text I've read.
Fine, you want to re-sign DA. I get that. But as I said to you before, he isn't going to sign for backup money  Somehow, you've got it into your head that it's possible he'll sign for backup money He won't. And just how does signing him to any contract increase his marketability?!?! Irrelevent. He won't sign to be a backup. He'll only sign a BIG contract, and that because it would guarantee him to be the starter.
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there isn't reason enough to not make that move of course it comes down to is BQ ready?? I think at this stage if he isn't then we need to trade him, and keep DA.
Another rediculous statement.
QB's don't come into this league "ready." So if Quinn isn't ready we need to turn around and dump him....ALREADY!?!??!
The best thing from a football-standpoint is happening for Quinn: He isn't getting thrown into the fire. He's getting to take his time, learn the game, and see how it's all supposed to be done.
I just don't know where you're coming up with this stuff.
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However as was pointed out by EO, DA doesn't react well to competition, and it may set him back to see BQ given a shot.
I also think this is a very odd statement, not at all based in fact, but theory.
DA doesn't react well to competition.........Has anyone noticed that the golden child was just drafted in the 1st round, and at great expense to the organization? 
Saying he failed in the eyes of competition is based SOLELY on preseason games and practices, and that's flawed data to begin with, considering some of those guys are now selling used cars and wearing fish ties.
I tend to believe that Anderson is more of a "gamer" and that if anything, the light came on for him as the regular season started.
Again, if he couldn't handle competition, he'd have folded allready knowing that the golden boy was all-but handed the job when they dumped Frye.
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That is the one huge flaw I see in DA, his lack of anticipation, and I don't think you can coach a guy up on this part of their game.
Again, I have no idea what you're seeing out there, as his anticipation is EXACTLY what's made him the QB he is right now The difference between Frye and Anderson IS their anticipation (or lack thereof in Frye's case). In fact, one of Anderson's flaws is that he trusts TOO MUCH in his anticipation, leading to throws into spots he shouldn't even make.
I'm glad you believe in Quinn. I'm glad you're a fan. But I don't agree one bit on how you view Anderson, ranging from his game to our ability to sign him as a backup.
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Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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Toad, what you just responded to was one of those things that come up from time to time.. I don't know how it happens, or why, but some people get something in thier heads and you can't shake it.,.. As an example, perhaps someone sees a game in which DA just can't hit the broad side of a barn on short passes... So from that point on, he's got NO short game... Now, if in the next game, DA goes out and is totally accurate on short throws,,, he was lucky! Makes little or no sense to me, but it happens with just about every player and just about any team.. Wierd huh? 
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The guy hasn't thrown an int in like 3 games now
Actually, he threw one against Seattle. Which was two weeks ago.
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The thing is... DA doesn't throw a good short ball. DA's passes have only one speed - fast. He doesn't have touch. Many of his incompletions in short range are because instead of putting some loft under a pass and letting his receiver get under it and make the catch, he puts it on a rope that his targets just can't catch up to and overthrows them. The Steelers game was even worse, because not only was the cannon firing on all cylinders, he had happy feet despite excellent pass pro and never seemed to get into rhythm, putting his accuracy all over the place.
DA is best throwing intermediate/deep routes, where having a cannon is a plus. When teams take that away and make him beat them short all day though... the Steelers game is an example of what happens. If DA can't get it done in the short game, teams will exploit him like a splits hitter gets exposed in MLB.
Honestly, I'm surprised teams didn't realize it sooner. Blitzing would work against DA, but blitzing is ineffective because our line has pass blocked incredibly well and DA has a quick release - it just wastes defenders. The Steelers put just enough pressure on DA to fluster him while still keeping enough defenders in deep coverage to force him to throw his short weakness. Perfect gameplan IMO.
It'll be interesting to see if other teams copy their defensive strategy to a letter.
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As an example, perhaps someone sees a game in which DA just can't hit the broad side of a barn on short passes... So from that point on, he's got NO short game... Now, if in the next game, DA goes out and is totally accurate on short throws,,, he was lucky!
I believe that happens some.. but I don't think it's because somebody "sees" it as much as it is because somebody tells them that is the case...
Now, with that said... do you know against which opponent, DA has the lowest YPA this year? Yes, you are right, Pittsburgh where his YPA is under 5 (combined for 2 games)... how about the second lowest? Well it's a tie, the Raiders and Patriots at 6.7.... and what's the common denominator of those 4 games? Yes, correct again... our 4 losses.
His average YPA in our victories is 9.3 .... in our losses it's 5.9 .... there definitely is a strategy to beating DA.. cut off the deep stuff and make us work our way down the field with running and short passing... DA might do it once in a while but he can't do it consistently...
It is not a myth or a "one time I saw it" type of thing Daman, it's an every week I see, some weeks he just gets away with it but against good teams he can't, type of thing... it's also pretty well statistically backed up.
DA struggles with his accuracy on short passes..... not really a big deal. Now we can argue all we want about whether or not he can improve on it, I'm sure he can with some work... but I doubt it's ever going to be his strength...
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Unlike DA's short passing game, you are highly accurate on that assessment.
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proper environment so that they don't pick up bad habits.
Bad habits like running from danger!!! We have had many misses so two possible hits are overdue. If Anderson is good then he will get better if we can keep him supplied with talent and protected...so will Quinn. From watching Quinn he is very good when given time and a receiver..all he had was Schmarza with N.D. Give him three great receivers and a top TE then watch.
We will always need a backup so we have that position fixed...now to the defense.
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I'm just throwing this out for conversation. if the Browns keep DA here next year too (which i suspect) what do you think about only having 2 QB's on the roster (by letting Dorsey go) to allow an extra roster spot in a needed position (D-Line?)? I'm glad we have Dorsey and wouldn't mind having him here til he ends his career, but will he be needed once DA has a year of starting experience and Quinn has a year of watching and learning?
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you know Atzinger that is actually not a terrible idea, and the reason is Dorsey already passed through waivers once this year, so we have no real reason to believe we couldnt practice squad him
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