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That pretty much sums up how most conversations end up around here, and it doesn't really matter the topic. Everyone is always trying to distill complex issues down to a single thing so that they can "A-Ha!" and "Harumph!".

Is play calling a call for the GM or the HC?

I KNOW he said it at some point later on this season. Still looking for it (not ignoring your response).

Not a single person who has played with or coached OBJ has ever said OBJ was was selfish or self centered. Actually all of them who have made comments about him say he is a hard worker and great team mate. So it seems this is more about "what you feel" than "what you know".

HC. Berry has even said as much.

On Stefanski’s play calling last year compared to this season and how opposing defenses are playing the Browns differently this year:

“Honestly, I think that is a better question for him and our expert in terms of scheme. That is not my area of expertise, but I have a ton of confidence in him as a play caller.”

Reading into this, I'd say the team already approached him about their 2022 plans for him.

Yeah, and I'll take it a step further. It sounds like he thinks he's done here.

Bummer.

What a leader.

We will see what happens. Belichick is considered a great GM and his tendency is always to cut/trade/move on from players a little too soon rather than a little too late. I could see Berry being similar - but I hope we make a fair offer because ALA Sheldon Richardson, you'd hate to see a player who played well for you go on to do more somewhere else. Jarvis and DPJ were both heavily impacted by injuries this year in addition to being impacted by Baker's injury & subsequent erratic play.

Yeah, it sounds like he's explaining something we haven't been told about, yet.

Then just go ahead and give Higgins the shake too. There is obviously something behind the scenes that prevents him from producing between the lines with any consistency. He co-signed on the OBJ daddy post, he's probably cheering Landry straight out of town.

Maybe we can trade them both for a large can of McVay's hair mousse...

I suspect that there will be a request to restructure, but I suspect that Jarvis and his agent would rather get to free agency and get one last new contract, instead.
They're going to want to cash in one last time, and we're going to be looking to make him cheaper and him likely facing a diminishing role here.

In all honesty, though ..... who is going to give himn a huge contract? He has been injured, and will be 30 next season. That's not usually the guy teams seek out for top dollar contracts. He's never been a speed guy, and injuries really seem to have robbed him of what speed he had.

He is a great leader on the team, and that has real value ..... but he also has to produce like a #1 to get a #1 contract. I just don't see that happening here, or anywhere else.

Actually sports agencies already represent these kids at the combine and are often there. This really has nothing to do with Jarvis.

This year some of those agents worked together getting the NFL to loosen it's rules on the Covid bubble by threatening to boycott the combine. Combined these agencies represented over 150 players.

2022 NFL Draft combine: Players will no longer be forced to stay in 'bubble' as boycott threat avoided

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...tay-in-bubble-as-boycott-threat-avoided/

Klutch isn't some agency I know a lot about. I did however find they are representing two Alabama defensive players both of which will be at the combine.

Phidarian Mathis and Evan Neal have signed to Klutch Sports

https://tdalabamamag.com/2022/01/18/phidarian-mathis-evan-neal-signed-klutch-sports/

I'm not saying it isn't not possible they will talk to teams about Jarvis. I mean that's certainly a possibility. But for anyone attempting to suggest that is their prime motivation for being there, that's just not so.

The Tweets Jarvis sent out certainly made it clear that if he's not here next season, it's not because he doesn't want to be.

Klutch is the agency owned by Lebron James, and is run by his childhood friend, Maverick Carter.

I think you missed the context of the tweet. It implies they and the Browns will meet to talk about Jarvis. Like you stated, it's happening then and there because they will all already be there in that location. It allows them to have a face-to-face.

Also, the agency won't be talking to ANY other teams unless we give explicit permission to that effect. Jarvis is under contract and NO other team is permitted to even dance around talking to him or his representatives.

Bron Bron and Co., going to take Landry's talents to South Beach!

Rich Paul, not Maverick Carter.

Correct. Except Rich Paul, not Maverick Carter.

Well, I was close.

I guess I'm in the minority, but I think we need to keep Landry, even if it means honoring his contract for one more year or overpaying slightly on a fair restructure. The cupboard is too bare in our WR room without him, and FA along with the draft are a crapshoot. Even if he stays, we still need better WRs. Without him, the hole is too big to fill in one offseason.

The cupboard is bare because we have Landry and his salary is not matching his on field production.

He was injured. We assume he'll be healthy by next season. Only football fans hold it against players for being injured instead of appreciating the effort to keep playing through the injury.

I certainly agree with you to a point. I think there are certainly limits to that however. If there is someone on the roster who can perform better than you factoring in your injury, is that something fans should appreciate? In Landry's case I don't think that applies however.

I certainly do appreciate his willingness to play through pain and injury ...... but the question is this: Is he worth $16 million, at age 30, and coming off an injury that affected him all season.

Stefanski told a reporter before the season that Landry couldn’t run anymore.

As long as we're only paying the QB $18M, who cares? If and when we have to pay Mayfield or another QB big $$, we can think about being salary cap hawks. Fans act like its their money!

Reportedly. But I never saw a source for that particular info. Not saying it doesn't exist, but I didn't see it. If its just something someone said on Twitter, I discount it.

Yeah, that doesn't sound like something that Stefanski would say publicly to a reporter. It has an element of stank to it.

Charles Robinson said on a podcast that Stefanski told him. Stefanski was the source.

It’s not my money but it is in the best interest of the team to spend the money wisely. If there was no cap I would not care at all.

https://www.theringer.com/2022/1/5/22868335/what-will-the-coaching-carousel-look-like

This episode. About a minute in.

Not paying Sheldon Richardson certainly worked out well, didn't it?

According to PFF Richardson was a middle of the road performer in 2021 (which would have been an upgrade over Jackson and McDowell). So if money was no concern then I would have kept Richardson. Unfortunately money is/was a factor? If we kept Richardson would we have signed Clowney? Or extended Bitonio and Teller?

What, is the salary cap only hard for us? Other teams find a way to minimize cap issues and keep their teams together. I don't care about PFF. I watched Sheldon Richardson here in 2020, and he played his ass off.