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Why? Ben did it for years with Pittsburgh and they've had plenty of weapons.



This isn't even remotely true. Joe did not "bail on the the Buckeyes". Haskins and Burrow were in a battle for the starting QB position. Urban chose Haskins to be the starter, which was hard to argue with the season he ended up having that year. Joe did not want to leave, but did not have much of a choice because Haskins was a R-Soph. He sent out a very respectful message about leaving and cheered on the Ohio State throughout the season(s). Almost all the fans, either I know or on Eleven Warriors were supportive and cheered him on at LSU. His former teammates at OSU did the same.

BTW- There was no "flag plant". At that time Baker was so immature he wasn't smart enough to comprehend that you can't plant a flag in artificial turf. If you meant, "failed attempt at a flag plant" then you may have had a point. Lucky for us he has matured.



In case you missed it, which you obviously did, this is a hilarious fail at a flag plant.

I'm a huge Buckeye fans who totally supports Baker being our starter next year.

I think his effort to "plant" the flag was symbolic.

I don't think he was stupid enough to think he could plant a flag in the artificial turf, but you believe what you want.

Sure. He tried to and failed. Because it was symbolic.



And purposefully hitting that TCU player with the football as they were being coming on the field was symbolic too. I have to give him credit, at least hitting that TCU player in the head with a football was something he succeeded at.

Yeah, I'm sure a failed flag plant was what he was looking for.

Still sore about that, I see.

Only you.... Only you.

I think it's hilarious that you brought it up, not me. Trying to plant a flag in artificial turf made him look like an idiot. I'm sure glad he's outgrown dumb crap like that.

Yes only I didn't bring up that stupidity. Are you saying he planted the flag or are you saying calling this failed attempt as a flag plant is correct? I'm certainly not a fan of revisionist history.

Maybe one day you will outgrow the dumb crap too. Though I do have my doubts.

Well if it is stupidity then you took it to a whole new stratosphere.

If you are denying there are Browns fans who were not prejudiced against Baker for the clip you showed than you are wrong. We had a poster on this very site that said he was a Buckeye fan first and foremost before he was a Browns fan and that he would never forgive or forget what Baker did. I am 100% certain he is not the only one. But you do you.

What stupid is any moron who thinks he was actually attempting to plant the flag in the field, but you keep thinking that.

I saw MKC - seems like she is maybe butt hurt about Baker and the previous 3 QB's all calling her out. [1] I doubt if Malik Willis will be there at 13 just because QB needy teams will jump up to get him regardless [2] Without a bonafide elite QB in the draft - and with the Browns FO committing to Baker verbally, I think it becomes less likely they take a gamble on a player with so much development still to go through. It's a business and you can spin that commitment away if the Browns did move on from Baker - but I just think it's less likely having said what they said and looking at the QB landscape and what is realistically available to them.

So let me get this straight - the Browns lost 6 games by 6 points or less in 2021. Their franchise QB played 90% of the season with a serious shoulder injury that required off season surgery combined with many other serious knicks during the year. The offensive line was decimated by injuries and the backups were exposed as being very weak. Your #1 and #2 RB's missed time due to injury and you couldn't get a single WR PFF ranked higher than 73rd in the league. TE production was weak at best. On and off the field issues have exposed serious questions about the DT position heading into the off season while the DE position could become the highest need on a top 10 defense that could certainly use an upgrade of the interior LB's. All this combined with some very questionable play calling and still on the cusp of a division title.

All of that and still good enough to where if the Browns would have scored or stopped a score in 50% of those 6 or less point losses, they would have won the AFC North for the first time in almost 3 decades.

With all that commonly known, MKC and posters here believe that taking the #13 pick and investing it into a player this year at the QB position that by everyone's standard will require significant work over multiple years to even be considered a possible viable player for the position. It's obvious that those supporters of this foolish consideration must be content having the Browns qualify for the playoffs once every 2 decades. It's thoughts like these that explain why the Browns are 1 of only 4 teams to never have been to a Super Bowl.

So the claim there was a flag plant was disproven clearly in the video and I took it to a whole new stratosphere? That sounds odd.


You seem to be confused here. The assertion was that's why so many question Baker. That's not it. You point to a comment by one poster on this board you saw at some point in the past and are trying to twist that into some movement. It's not.

I also think it's funny that people actually think he was trying to "plant the flag" and make it stick. There's no point on that flag, so even if it wasn't artificial turf it wasn't going into the ground. It's just another false narrative to bash Baker. There are many. To me what's sad is a lot of it comes from our own fanbase.

PIT - no-one said most of the criticism. That's a YOU thing because you are WRONG and now trying to move the goal posts. AGAIN.

As for a 'failed' flag plant. You are singularly alone with your ridiculous take that Baker failed because it was a turf field. Clearly this shows there are no ends to the depths you will go to in order to try to argue rather than admit a mistake.

Some in the media including MKC and Grossi are just awful. I wouldn't be surprised if MKC is just saying this because Baker called her out about one of her lies.

As much abuse that those in the media give our players, I'm surprised that anyone wants to play here. I get it, "the money", but then they get mad when the players get upset with the media and the narrative changes that the player is the issue. Maddening.

You obviously weren't paying attention to how this whole thing started. Posted by WSU.....


You were saying?

And for those thinking Baker purposefully wished to make himself look like an idiot, that's on you. Nobody tries to plant their flag on a field thinking it will end up laying on the turf and that isn't a flag plant either.

I suppose when he hit that TCU player in the head with the football he didn't mean to do that?

Face it, when Baker was a kid he acted like an idiot sometimes. Most young people do have their duh moments. I know I did. That's nothing unusual or an indictment of anyone. Yet you want to make it sound like pointing out the obvious is somehow painting a false picture.

Baker has matured. He's not that wet behind the ears, immature kid anymore. But he was.

Have you ever seen a point on the end of a flag pole? Yeah, he just did his best trying to stick that flag pole into the ground because, well because..... I guess in some people's mind he was trying to lay his team flag on the ground. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Show me where anyone said "Most Browns Fans" ? Show me where even "Most Browns/buckeye fans" was mentioned. Oh ... you cannot.

As for the flag plant - you are trying to reinvent history and you are debating the definition of what 'is' is.

There is not one single suggestion that Baker "failed" - every story then was about a flag plant. There is no mention or the pole entering or not entering the turf. Be it symbolic or otherwise. This insanity is you in a nutshell.

https://www.si.com/college/2017/09/10/baker-mayfield-oklahoma-flag-ohio-state-win
https://www.espn.com/college-footba...lag-midfield-beating-ohio-state-buckeyes
https://www.theringer.com/2017/9/12...klahoma-ohio-state-flag-planting-apology
https://www.espn.com/college-footba...nts-flag-revenge-win-ohio-state-buckeyes
https://theathletic.com/98008/2017/...ag-states-his-case-as-an-all-time-great/
https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...by-planting-oklahoma-flag-at-ohio-state/
https://www.foxsports.com/southwest...orseshow-after-beating-ohio-state-091017
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...oklahoma-flag-ohio-state-logo/650663001/

Twist it all you want. It does not fly.

You honestly believe he was trying to make it stick in the ground?

It really doesn't matter. Either he believes that and he's totally lost - or he's just being a troll and trying to argue a point he knows is utter bullcrap. Either and both scenarios are ridiculous.

Try reading this again. It seems it didn't sink in the first time......


And of course he meant for the flag to stick. Just because a few people on a message board act as though a young, immature Baker didn't look like a fool at the time doesn't change that. It must be your assertion he tried jamming the flag in the ground for dramatic impact. You know, Baker the accomplished actor.

Buckeye fans do have prejudice and hate on Baker. Denying that is as stupid as saying Baker intended to plant the flag in the artificial turf. It might not be all or most but Buckeye fans most definitely hates on Baker still.

Look I know you are old and probably never walked on a modern artificial field with pellets - you don't have any concept of what that may or may not be like. Baker has played on artificial fields since high school. He's not mentally retarded. He knew what he was doing, having been on those fields his entire sporting life. To suggest otherwise is simple hate or simple idiocy. There is nothing else and neither is a good look.

Goodbye Pit. There's only so much stupid I can respond to.

Yet you post all of that stupid. Yes, I have walked on artificial turf. I obviously don't hate Baker. I'm one who is calling for him to be our starter next year. But he did some stupid things when he was younger. Maybe it's time you just step up to the plate and own it. He outgrew it. He matured and I'm very thankful for that. That hasn't always turned out to be the case as we saw with Johnny Football.

So you just stick to some fable that it was all about some dramatic effect because you know, Baker is known for his acting.... Just keep pretending that he intentionally put his teams own flag on the ground. And keep pretending anyone who disagrees with you is the one being stupid.

Yep. looking stupid twice in a row would have been so much better!

You're right, it doesn't really matter. I just find it hard to believe that people actually think he was trying to make it stick in the ground. Yeah, it's funny to think he was and yeah haha about the memes, but I would think most people realized he wasn't trying to plant the flag into the ground.

And I'm not sure how or why anyone would think that. Leading up to the game I'm pretty sure he was told there was no way Oklahoma was going to win. I remember it being all over the media the Ohio State would win. It was more of a statement and not an actual attempt to plant a flag. It was more or less saying you said we couldn't do it and here we are, we own this 'O.' I don't believe it's even marred by immaturity.

I also don't understand why there are some who don't want a quarterback that shows a little emotion. I love the Nick Chubb types that "act like you've been there before." But what's wrong with showing a little emotion? What Baker did was no more than pointing your arm out saying you got a first down. If you think that's immaturity, that's gong to cover a lot of players in the league.

I think it's hard for some to look at things objectively. I understand 100% why Buckeye fans would not like Baker. But I think there are some who don't fully understand the situation, therefore they think he was trying to make a flag stick in the ground.

I'm not sure why a QB worth his salt would want to come here beyond getting a final payday. Cleveland is where quarterback come for their career to die. This is of course my opinion based on our history of 31 starters since 1999

But now we have Baker going into his 5th year as our starter, time to look ahead and stop looking behind ...

I've always been sort of high on Garoppolo. He wet the bed this playoffs. I still would take him over Wentz and Trubisky. Trubisky seems like a great kid. I just have a lack of faith in him being a starting QB - I can't say I have seen a ton, but what I saw wasn't great.

The Browns' offense played well when they spread the defense. The run-game works better. Baker threw the ball all over the place. Even before OBJ, they had Perryman and Calloway to stretch the field.

When OBJ went down in 2020, teams had not exactly figured out how to stop Cleveland. Landry was still healthy. Last year after OBJ left and Landry was hurt it did not take long for defenses to know Baker is not comfortable in tight windows.

The bottom line is Baker needs specific talent at the receiver position. Wait, is this not true with all quarterbacks?

Before we say draft this receiver because he had great numbers in college. Should we not look at what receivers complement Baker's game?

Andrew Berry seems to understand this at all the other positions. He drafted Swartz and DPJ. Both appear they have the skill set that complements Baker.

I think we fans look at other teams too much and wish we were them. Andrew is still assembling the pieces. Give Baker the correct makeup before deciding bust or not.

I do think fixing the receiver position is a tall order for Berry to get right this offseason. Personally, I think Landry is the glue to keeping this group together. Continue adding complementary receivers.

Ideally, Baker realizes he is not the gift to QBs. He takes a healthy pay raise but nothing over the top after this season. Understands his contract allows the Browns to build their empire!

I think Baker needs to be healthy. I didn't see you even mention that as a factor of what happened last year. That impacted the entire offense.