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I only saw what I thought was the GA at the UN but maybe it was the SC. Germany issued their condemnation.

https://twitter.com/search?q=Kiev&src=typed_query

Explosions reported in Ukraine near:

- Kiev
- Boryspil
- Odessa
- Kharkov
- Berdyansk
- Kramatorsk
And more places. All around Eastern Ukraine.

Russian SHOCK & AWE likely destroying strategic Ukrainian military targets. Demilitarization of Ukrainian Armed Forces has begun.

Russian reporter saying Putin threatened the west in his speech mentioning his nuclear capability. smh, I just don't see them letting this stand.

Well, if putin starts going nuclear, he, and the world, have big problems.

they have more nukes than anyone in the world.

Russia, China, and North Korea have been playing war games for months.


things could get extremely messy.

And if they do nothing, who's next? Because the whole world knows he won't stop until he's stopped. I'm not sure that he's leaving the world an option.

He won't stop until he wants to stop. Red Dawn could end up being real but, with China while Russia keeps Europe busy.

Neither would come here for us, they would use nukes or do nothing. China would take Southeast Asia and a bunch of islands, Putin all of Europe, and if North Korea would be in the mix, something fairly big would be promised to them.

Iran has also been working with them.



I would expect Taiwan will be next depending on how Ukraine goes.

100% they would go for Alaska, Hawaii, and California. California by itself is 14% of the USA GDP and the 5th largest in the world.

The one bonus is... American citizens have more weapons than any other country in the world and that makes it less palatable for an urban ground war. The guns in our homes keep us safer than our military.

Welp…

All good reason for them not to come. China doesn't need to come to America with war, they already own us with our economy.

Laura Ingraham Calls Ukrainian President's Plea For Peace 'Pathetic'

The Fox News host said it was a "pathetic display" when Volodymyr Zelenskyy implored Russia not to invade his country.


By
Josephine Harvey
02/24/2022 01:12am EST

During a broadcast minutes after Russia began invading Ukraine, Fox News host Laura Ingraham derided Ukraine’s leader for trying earlier to broker peace with the Russian president.

“We had kind of a really pathetic display from the Ukrainian President Zelenskyy, earlier today ... where he in Russian ― he didn’t like to speak Russian ― but in Russian, he was essentially imploring Vladimir Putin not to invade his country,” Ingraham said during a call with former President Donald Trump.

“And now, we basically have the Ukrainian ambassador to the United Nations looking like a defeated man,” she added.

Volodymyr Zelenskyy had, hours earlier, warned that a Russian invasion would cost tens of thousands of lives.

“The people of Ukraine and the government of Ukraine want peace,” he said in an emotional address to his nation in Russian. “But if we come under attack, if we face an attempt to take away our country, our freedom, our lives and lives of our children, we will defend ourselves. When you attack us, you will see our faces, not our backs.”

Zelenskyy said he tried to arrange a call with his Russian counterpart late Wednesday, but the Kremlin didn’t respond.

In the early hours of Thursday morning, Putin announced that he was launching a military operation in Ukraine. Reporters in Ukrainian cities began reporting explosions shortly afterward.

Ingraham and Trump both also absurdly sought to blame President Joe Biden for Russia’s incursion, with Trump declaring that it “all happened because of a rigged election.”

Ingraham’s spin of the situation rivaled that of her colleague, Pete Hegseth, who announced earlier this week that Trump was just trying to “troll” the media when he praised Putin’s invasion strategy as a work of “genius.”

[url=In the early hours of Thursday morning, Putin announced that he was launching a military operation in Ukraine. Reporters in Ukrainian cities began reporting explosions shortly afterward.

Ingraham and Trump both also absurdly sought to blame President Joe Biden for Russia’s incursion, with Trump declaring that it “all happened because of a rigged election.”

Ingraham’s spin of the situation rivaled that of her colleague, Pete Hegseth, who announced earlier this week that Trump was just trying to “troll” the media when he praised Putin’s invasion strategy as a work of “genius.”

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/laura-ingraham-ukraine-pathetic_n_621710e8e4b0afc668baeb7e

More deliberate undermining of the American global position. Again - not sarcasm. He's even doubled down on his utterly ridiculous talk about Putin just keeping the peace.

Anyone defending or deflecting away from what this clown is doing and saying is an a complete and total moron. Period.

Elections have consequences and what is happening in Ukraine is a consequence of our election. The United States has shown weakness and the wolves in the world are prowling. Russia invades the Ukraine. China will be next with Taiwan. Iran has eyes on Israel. Communism is the true evil in this world and it has raised up with the weak Biden Presidency. President Reagan put it down and it stayed down for 30+ years. Just a year into the weakest President in US history and the evil is back.

Here we go!!

Aight US and NATO. I believe in you guys. Show the world it was worth the investment.

j/c:

Taiwan is crapping themselves right now. They might be next.

Time to crush Russia.

yep. a proper beat down will also send a message to China.

Yup.

But, if we were talking about things we have no faith in, my top three would be:

1. the U.N.
2. this gov't
3. wet paper bags


If NATO were still a thing, we might get something there, but the U.N. is a weak joke and I fully expect the response/reaction to reflect that. Germany/Sudentenland all over again.

oh yea the UN is a complete joke. i mean i guess when you look at it, what else was it suppose to be? just a forum for all the countries to throw hissy fits anyway.

i just hope NATO response correctly. individual countries like America and such will obviously ramp up the sanctions, but the real physical response has to come from NATO. Putin has clearly told the world he doesn't care about sanctions right now. so while it will hurt, Putin is banking on pressing through and making the sanctions irrelevant.

well purp, we're about to see if a country - whose only worth is at the gas tank - is gonna be allowed to do whatever they want.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/tragedy-world-reacts-russian-invasion-041419705.html

aight so clearly Russia's economy is gonna be tanked hard like Turkey's. sanctions are gonna have devastating effects, especially on a country that relies on one commodity.

but we must all remember: sanctions only work if whoever its placed on fails in their mission. the sanctions will only be effective if Russia gets pushed back by NATO.

I hope I'm wrong. I HOPE that we already had a carrier battle group steaming to within range and I HOPE we already have sorties prepping to launch in Germany.

However, we can't launch sorties from bases in Germany without Scholz approving. I don't know anything about him, but until I see otherwise, I doubt he's carrying stones big enough to green light us.

I look at the world governments today, and I see what Europe was pre-WW2 and this is going to just slide with a lot of public "Harumph!"'s and posturing, but nobody is going to commit to knocking Putin's ass back to the stone age.

im with you. i said it before, if America/NATO has to get involved, it cant stop at just pushing russia back into their borders and out of Ukraine. the Russian military has to be destroyed, and followed up with a Treaty of Versailles level punishment.

i tend to have a bit more hope that we'll do the right thing, but i can't pretend like i dont agree with your overall perception of these governments as of now. we will see.

I'll take it a step further and wager that, right now, more time is currently being spent on crafting excuses for not going in than time being spent on planning to actually do something.


and, yes.... Taiwan has got to be absolutely crapping itself. Once this is allowed to stand, you KNOW China is moving next.

It looks like the Harry S. Truman is in the Med right now. She can hammer them.

The thing is, depending on how much anti-air and how much of an Interceptor presence Russia has up right now, she'd have to sortie half her damn squadrons at one time just to have a survivable mission.... and that is an immediate HUGE shooting war.

Sadly, though, that's what is needed.

At this point, we need to stay out of the Ukraine war with Russia. If we stick our fingers in the bear trap, we will lose our arm. We need to wait until they take another country over that is part of NATO. Something tells me, Putin is going to just take back what they believe is theirs when they were the USSR

Congress has been cutting our military expenses for years and we are at a very low spend point vs our GDP. Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea have a 2-year head start on us with production and war games.
We need to start building stockpiles while things are peaceful in our country. A main reason we were successful with WW1/2 was that we stayed out of it and gave our manufacturers a chance to build up production.

My fingers are crossed that Putin stops at Ukraine. However, when a dog tastes blood... It never stops

Not sure NATO is committed to do anything. They are not the world's police force. They are an alliance to protect other members - of which Ukraine is not one.

Would that be a nice simple solution for everyone? Sure. Easy to type. I doubt it's that simple. And no doubt Putin will threaten to escalate to the point of nukes ... there's no easy answer no matter what people think they have figured out in the their head.

Clearly we had the intel that indicated this was the end game - clearly many/most Americans in Ukraine choose not to listen and stayed. Clearly puppets like Trump will blame Biden which does nothing but help Putin.

ey ey ey

probably. i can see world leaders currently weighing whether ukraine is worth it or not over a real response.

if Putin gets away with any territorial gain, its a win. NATO had to go along with the dance, but now we have complete moral authority to wreck shop due to russian aggression. if we don't, it doesn't just undermine NATO; it undermines the EU, the US, and other partnerships associated with us. at that point, i would completely understand Taiwan laying down for China.

we aren't there yet. the fact that we have a universal condemnation against russia is at least a good sign. but the clock is ticking.

with your comments on our carrier in the area, if we respond, we dont have to worry about her doing things solo dolo. she's gonna have to worry about having enough targets to hit.

Numbers don't really matter. One is enough to shake things up pretty good.

So, now I'm reading up on Russia's air force. Guess who has been expanding and modernizing their air force since 2018? Sound familiar in sticking with the pre-WW2 comparisons?

Their air force has ~4,500 aircraft.
Their primary interceptor is the MiG-31 these days, they have about 400-500.
It is a mid-90's aircraft, the actual number in service is probably around 80%.


Their primary Fighter is the older MiG-29 and they have a handful of the brand new MiG-35's, introduced into service in 2019. They *should* have less than a dozen of the MiG-35's, but they have over 1,600 MiG-29's. An early 80's airframe, but I'd have little doubt that the avionics and weapons systems are very, very current, and that's where the teeth are.


Anyway, one carrier battle group cannot wade into that. Without being able to launch from bases in Germany (and fly through Polish/Czech/Hungarian airspace) or Turkey, we are stymied, and I have little doubt that Putin has taken this into account.

we've increased our military budget every year.

and your comments on WW1 and 2 are just wrong. like seriously wtf are you talking about.

we entered WW1 because Germany attacked our naval ships and civilian ships in violation of the Sussex pledge.

like, do you not know why we entered those wars? and war games?

do you not realize that America and NATO has had real world engagement/practice in the middle east in parts of Africa for the last 20 years? Russia and china had to practice, and we have real world experience.

seriously, wtf was your post?

remember, its all about capabilities. they can build up all they want, but we live in a time in warfare where its quality over quantity.

i want to see what new tech we got. i love that our enemies dont know what we're capable of until its already too late.

Russian stocks crash and ruble plunges to record low

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/24/investing/ruble-russian-stocks-crash/index.html

damn, i dunno why i forgot all about the russian people. i wonder if its cause i blame them for allowing this nonsense to go on in the first place, or something else. wonder how they're gonna react to all of this. dont hear too much from that aspect.

cause they were already broke. now their money is worthless.

It doesn't seem like anyone except Putin wants war. I wonder what his generals think of him? You think someone would assassinate him for the well being of the country?

Someone has to be contemplating that, I hope.

Yeah, but that's what I was saying about avionics and weapons systems... those are the big capabilities.

Obviously, stealth airframes are a biggie, too, but the days of being able to fly Mach-92 mattering are kinda over. That 1980's airframe, equipped with long-range missiles with ramjets that can hit Mach-9 are plenty good for splashing an aircraft 80 miles out, just as that 80's airframe, equipped with good countermeasures, can defeat incoming missiles.

So, just because the bulk of their force is older, they are VERY tech-savvy as a nation and I would not underestimate their capabilities.

probably not. you gotta remember that most of the kremlin love this crap. they really want to run that soviet union era back, so his generals are riding that bandwagon for sure. i doubt there will be any coup attempt like we saw in Turkey.

but it would be sweet if it happened. what will be so much better than an assassination attempt would be the russian people hitting the streets and engage in anti-war protest. man that would tick Putin off, and also make it a hell of a lot easier for NATO to respond with force.

Ukraine isn't part of NATO, but it's not going to be hard to come up with an excuse to battle on her behalf. It's NATO's backyard, they should be the one to decide if they want to hand Putin a W or an L. If it were up to me, I'd 'empty the chamber' in terms of sanctions. Whatever military assets that were in place as of last night are pretty much the ones that are going to dance at the party.


My best friend is a Marine and his wife is DOD, as well as my brother is in the Air Force. One of the things I've heard over the past couple years are the reports saying that we are as poorly equipped as ever to go toe-to-toe with the likes of China and Russia. Decades of conflict in the Middle East has taken our attention away from potential conflicts such as what we're looking at now, while China especially has been building for it.