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I think RG3 jumped on a camel he doesn't want to ride here.

To say Baker needs to win the super bowl next year, when we don't even have a clue what receivers will be on the team, or what our D will look like? Jumping the gun, imo.

I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. Bob is FOS.

With the deep insight BOB spit on the Hue Jackson deal, I was convinced Bob may actually spell his name FOS.

Didn't know Bob was going to come out of the woodwork and be a "thing" now. I'll definitely skip the vids and let y'all paraphrase.

A fairly large purge should be expected over a nine year stretch, but that's just crazy.

Man this thread has turned a bit crazy....

why the hell are we talking about a friggin flag?!? I'm the biggest Ohio State fan that there is.... OU beat us... baker planted a flag in our stadium.... who the hell cares?!?!? That's the QB I want! I want a QB with the boxy to plant his damn flag in his opponents stadium!!! I want Baker to plant his flag in Baltimore... in Cincy... in Pittsburg.... that's the QB I want!

I am praying he gets healthy and comes back with a huge chip on his shoulder.... because when Baker has a chip on his shoulder he seems to play his best..... I want our FO to explore any an all options, but praying that Baker gets back to his 2020 form and turns into our long term answer...

Would have liked your post ten times if I could.

You're a slacker. SuperBrown would figure out a way.

One thing that is often said about Baker is that he plays his best when his back is against the wall, or when he is being criticized, or overlooked, or whatever.

Is that really a compliment for an NFL QB? Shouldn't a professional player give his best all of the time?

I think this notion that he plays his best when the chips are down is inaccurate ... what Baker has done is overcome the odds multiple times. That's not the same thing. His best play as a Browns player was 2020, last 9 games. No bad weather games, no new offense to learn, no mechanics being changed. 9 game sample size in a KS offense with an in his prime Landry and a rookie DPJ playing above expectations and Higgins. He wasn't under the gun at that point, or being criticized or with his back against the wall - but he played damn well.

You propose trading a 3 and a 4 plus and our 2nd to move up to 27 to get a DE/WR, presumably.

I don't see how you could get Ridder with our 2nd if we traded it to move back into the 1st round to get the DE/WR. Please explain, unless you think just a 3rd and 4th rounder would net a #27.

Selecting a QB in the second town would set fans hair on fire.

5th Rd? Maybe.

2nd Rd...no way in heaven

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My question after the video is...

does anyone feel like:

Baker is Coachable?
Baker has the tools to become good to great?
Faith in Stefanski's system and is able adjust to what Bake does well?

Skimmed the video.

The simple answer is "Yes - 100%"

I might take a flyer on Ridder with one of our 3rds but not our 2nd ...

It is unwise to not invest in the QB position. Just not the 2nd round.

Either go all in or be looking for a back-up. The 2nd round is high enough you are looking to impact your starting units and at minimum be playing on a fairly regular basis. Grab a back-up QB starting in the 4th round, maybe 3rd if you are picking towards the end of the round.

I like Ridder...just not enough to take him before a WR/WR/DT/DT/DE/DE/OT/TE

If he's #2 on our Board...we have bigger issues than I could have imagined.

I don't disagree about BPA rankings. My only deal is QB is a bit different than any other position. Either you need one or you don't. You only really keep 2 on the team though teams have a 3rd string guy in one form or another.

QB is also the only position on the team that creates some sort of controversy. You don't rotate QB's much the same as you can or do at other positions. It's just my feeling that the higher you draft a QB, the more the expectation are that the guy is going to play. Especially since this wouldn't be like the Packers drafting Rodgers with a HOF QB on the roster.

I think with QB, you go all in or you don't. Going in between doesn't do much good IMO. If the idea is to replace Baker either this year or be prepared for not signing him back, I am fine with that, then draft the best guy you can at #13. I like Baker, but not so much that I think we can't do better. If a back-up is the goal, I'd rather just go with a vet who has been around 5-6-7 years and do that every few years.

No doubt...we can also find WRs in the 6th...to develop ala DPJ. We found a WR last year in the 3rd...he needs to develop. We haven't used a "high" draft pick on a WR since Corey Coleman...unless you count the 1st we gave away while being fleeced in the OBJ trade.

We don't have a single pass-catching threat on the roster today...not one. Maybe we get 2-3 in FA. The Bengals had 2-3 pass-catching threats last year and took Chase anyway...while in desperate need for OL...and went to the Super Bowl.

If the FO has Ridder as #2 on their board, we are in serious trouble. Also if that's the case, they should trade Baker for a cookie, sign Fitzmagic and wait for Ridder to develop. He should be ready right around the time Bitonio and Teller's contracts are up. Ridder in the 5th? Sure. A dozen guys just like Ridder are available in every draft...I'm ok with fishing for one...but not at a slot where we can get a starter from the jump.

Whomever we take with our 2nd pick needs to be a contributor on Opening Day...if not a starter. JMO

I'm not ok with taking a high pick and using it on a 'potential' QB of the future ... I'm of the frame of mind we are in "win now" mode - and a QB of the future does nothing to help us win now.

I understand the idea of always investing in the QB position - but a 2nd or 3rd rounder seems a high price for a team that is 'close' .... and a team that has a mostly empty cupboard at WR. Certainly we are riddled with question marks.

If Berry is unconvinced about Baker - then sign a FA like Fitzpatrick and draft Ridder by all means. But if you think we can win with Baker and roll with him this year, you are better off with OL depth or a WR instead of a developmental QB. just my take at this juncture.

I feel like the front office has come out and done everything possible to tell the fans that Baker deserves next season when he is fully healthy and recovered as the starting QB for the Browns.

QB's are generally elevated and drafted well before their actual draft status due to need and a lack of quality QB's in the league. We've watched this happen year after year with devastating results often times. Sometimes it's been us. Even in the first round teams will reach which is why there is such a huge bust rate with first round QB's. There won't be any QB's available in the second round that "match up with value" at our pick. If anything there will be QB's that in the grand scheme of things would not be worthy of our second round pick already drafted.

Combine that with the chaos it would create between the fan base, the media and possibly within the team and you're suggesting a recipe for disaster.

It is JMO but I feel that Berry is looking for certain Positions in Rd. 1-2 and I don't think QB is one of them, I think EDGE/DT and WR is what we are looking at but like I said its JMO ...

Once again, draft history has pointed out that QB's are overdrafted compared to value due to need. At the very least perceived need. It's a non starter argument on behalf of anyone who tries to counter that. The only time that becomes a value to any NFL team in the first couple of rounds is when they are desperate at the QB position. We are not. If he is truly worth our draft selection he will be gone before we pick. If you wish to argue with what history has proven over and over again, by all means continue.