Talk about a propaganda campaign. LOL. Ok, we have been very friendly to captured soldiers until now. Those loading the artillery and firing it on civilians will now die. I bet it's effective too.
Yes, we should scare the oil market which will drive prices even higher. That would line Putin's pockets with even more money. Oil is a very volatile market that changes at the drop of a hat. Any variable increases prices.
"Drill, drill, drill" is empty rhetoric which will change nothing. But then I expect that from certain people.
And rather than address that our only way to energy independence is through alternative energy, which is 100% factual, you try to derail the point by some zero emission BS which is no part of this conversation. The short sightedness of a certain portion of America is making it harder to make America energy independent. You sir are part of that problem. You advocate something that can't accomplish it while trying to ridicule the only possibility that can accomplish it.
It isn't factual today and won't be for 30 years. It may never be. I think those are the facts.
I am not putting down alternatives, but we are a long way from making that a reality. I think the average cost of a electric car is near $60,000. Yes, you can probably get a Volt for under $25,000, but those are suped up golf carts.
No doubt thigs will get better in time, but they have to get off the ground first but a range of 125 miles doesn't exactly cut it for a large portion of the driving public. It's going to take time on a timeline more like what I mentioned earlier.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Drive past any wind farm. Half of them aren't working.
There's one wind turbine 400 yards from my back yard - hasn't worked/run for about a month. (the owner, 10-12 years ago said the 'payback' period would be about 5 years. He's still tossing money out the window - hasn't even paid for itself yet, let alone profited him.
Our school has a wind turbine. It's been down for close to 4 months. Needs a part. Can't get the part.
Drive through paulding county Ohio. Literally well over 100 wind turbines. Hardly half are running.
Go up just north of Mt. Pleasant Michigan - you can see well over 100, maybe 200, wind turbines. Again, at least half aren't working.
Yeah, let's rely on that type of energy. screw oil. No one needs power 24 hours a day, no one needs power 7 days a week.
I drive by those all the time (it will blow your mind at night with all the red lights flashing simultaneously for miles), between the two big farms there are over 300 windmills. I cringe whenever they're standing still.
40 full truckloads of cement and 55 tons of steel rebar... just for each foundation... Shelf life -- twenty years.
Yes the wind blows, no it ain't all "free".
The land leases are a great boon to the local rural economy, so there's that.
Just more evidence that a mix is necessary for independence.
I drive by those all the time (it will blow your mind at night with all the red lights flashing simultaneously for miles), between the two big farms there are over 300 windmills. I cringe whenever they're standing still.
40 full truckloads of cement and 55 tons of steel rebar... just for each foundation... Shelf life -- twenty years.
Yes the wind blows, no it ain't all "free".
The land leases are a great boon to the local rural economy, so there's that.
Just more evidence that a mix is necessary for independence.
I drove to Colorado this summer for my son's wedding. It was one windfarm after another from the middle of Kansas to eastern Colorado. There were rows of windmills as far as the eye could see, thousands of them.....and that's not an exaggeration. I can't imagine the concrete for all those platforms.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
I drive by those all the time (it will blow your mind at night with all the red lights flashing simultaneously for miles), between the two big farms there are over 300 windmills. I cringe whenever they're standing still.
40 full truckloads of cement and 55 tons of steel rebar... just for each foundation... Shelf life -- twenty years.
Yes the wind blows, no it ain't all "free".
The land leases are a great boon to the local rural economy, so there's that.
Just more evidence that a mix is necessary for independence.
Perhaps 10-12 years ago, I looked into getting a wind turbine. $50,000 back then, but I'd get a tax credit for half of that ( I had to pay the $50 grand upfront).
My electric bill, at the time, averaged $125 over the course of a year.
Okay.
Oh, wait, it will need a $3,000 to $5000 rebuild every 3 to 5 years.
I drive by those all the time (it will blow your mind at night with all the red lights flashing simultaneously for miles), between the two big farms there are over 300 windmills. I cringe whenever they're standing still.
40 full truckloads of cement and 55 tons of steel rebar... just for each foundation... Shelf life -- twenty years.
Yes the wind blows, no it ain't all "free".
The land leases are a great boon to the local rural economy, so there's that.
Just more evidence that a mix is necessary for independence.
Nobody has ever tried to run the numbers on that before right now... on dawgtalkers.
Do you know how much natural gas gets pumped through a natural gas plant over 20 years?
"When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God." Leviticus 19:33-34
On the green energy front, it isn't electric, wind or whatever.
If you want a cheap, pretty much limitless supply of energy, hydrogen is the answer.
Yes, we have all seen the Hindenburg blow up...to me it will be far easier to find ways to "safely" tap in to hydrogen as an energy source then to fool around with batteries, wind, etc. Most or many of our energy delivery systems are already set up to burn some sort of gas. It makes sense to me to find ways to burn hydrogen rather than change everything else.
Zero carbon emissions, little waste disposal unlike a battery when it dies.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
And what in the world does "scare the oil market" mean. Geesh... seems like a madman with a horde of energy, and nobody to threaten his stronghold on it, has done a lot more to "scare the market" than me telling him to shove my share straight up his @$$.
I don't know how you come up with some of this stuff.
It means this......
Ukraine-Russia tensions: Oil surges on supply fears
And since this article was printed, these same fears have caused crude to far exceed $100 a barrel. Don't blame me because you haven't wanted to learn how fragile the oil market is and how possible future actions create increased prices. If actions are actually taken, it would be much worse.
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Nobody has ever tried to run the numbers on that before right now... on dawgtalkers.
Do you know how much natural gas gets pumped through a natural gas plant over 20 years?
Here are a couple of numbers they won't like.
Explaining the Exponential Growth of Renewable Energy
The rapid growth of solar and wind power in recent years has breathed hope into global efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and limit the most dangerous effects of climate change.
In 2010, solar and wind combined made up only 1.7% of global electricity generation. By last year, it had climbed to 8.7% — far higher than what had previously been predicted by mainstream energy models. For example, in 2012 the International Energy Agency expected that global solar energy generation would reach 550 terrawatt-hours in 2030, but that number was exceeded by 2018. These models often assume that the growth of solar and wind will be linear, but in reality the growth has been exponential.
Understanding the exponential growth of renewable energy in the past gives us reason to be more optimistic about how fast it can ramp up to meet climate goals in the future. This article explains the reasons behind solar and wind’s growth, how much progress has already been made, and what’s needed to go even further. Why is Renewable Energy Growing so Fast?
Falling costs have been the biggest factor in the explosion of renewable energy. Since 2010, the cost of solar photovoltaic electricity has fallen 85%, and the costs of both onshore and offshore wind electricity have been cut by about half. Both of these renewable sources are now cost-competitive with fossil fuel electricity.
Costs have fallen so dramatically due to positive feedback loops. The more that renewable energy technologies are deployed, the cheaper they become due to economies of scale and competitive supply chains, among other factors. These falling costs in turn spur more deployment. For example, in the past decade, each time that the amount of solar capacity deployed worldwide has doubled, the price of installing solar capacity has declined by 34%. As renewable energy technologies are modular and standardized, cost improvements or technological advances made in one place can be quickly copied elsewhere.
Other aspects of renewable energy deployment are also self-reinforcing. As renewables grow in popularity, expand their political influence, and attract more finance, it becomes easier to leverage further policy support and finance. As financiers become more familiar with the technical and project risks of renewable energy, the cost of capital has decreased. In addition, evidence suggests the spread of renewable energy is socially contagious — when one house installs rooftop solar, the neighbors who see it and talk about it are more likely to install rooftop solar themselves.
Policy support has also been essential for the growth of renewable energy. Renewable energy tax credits and subsidies, feed-in tariffs, and competitive auctions have all helped reduce costs and spur deployment. And government investment in research and development has been essential in promoting innovation in renewable energy. China, Europe and the United States have become leaders in solar and wind through policy support, and worldwide, 165 countries have targets to increase renewable energy. It’s not just countries either; more than 600 cities worldwide have 100% renewable energy targets. Timeline of Renewable Energy Growth
Wind energy first took off in the early 2000s, while solar energy took off about a decade later but has been growing even faster than wind. The factors driving the growth in renewable energy have been systemic, but certain key moments have reflected the larger trends or acted as turning points in renewable energy adoption.
Even when looking at some of their own answers make no sense. Fate says it will take a mix yet car manufactures keep making more and more EV's. They complained about the miles per charge so that continues to increase. They complained about it taking too long to charge. So now they've developed quick charging. Arch pretending that wind energy hasn't improved over the past 20 years and bases his statements on what was going on many years ago.
During all of this, it's obvious that year after year as EV's continue to gain in popularity, the demand foe oil will be going down. Their answer? Drill baby drill!
Global EV sales rise 80% in 2021 as automakers including Ford, GM commit to zero emissions: BNEF
Even when looking at some of their own answers make no sense. Fate says it will take a mix yet car manufactures keep making more and more EV's. They complained about the miles per charge so that continues to increase. They complained about it taking too long to charge. So now they've developed quick charging. Arch pretending that wind energy hasn't improved over the past 20 years and bases his statements on what was going on many years ago.
During all of this, it's obvious that year after year as EV's continue to gain in popularity, the demand foe oil will be going down. Their answer? Drill baby drill!
Global EV sales rise 80% in 2021 as automakers including Ford, GM commit to zero emissions: BNEF
"Fate says it will take a mix yet car manufactures keep making more and more EV's." I love when you try to make points with sentences that make zero sense.
I say energy independence will take a mix of energy strategies yet car manufacturers keep making more EVs?
You say water is wet yet pulled pork is good with BBQ sauce... there, that makes just about as much sense.
Go buy a coal-powered car -- that will fix everything.
As per usual, when you feel cornered you can do nothing but lash out like some child on the playground. You are a drill baby drill guy.... A let's stop buying Russian oil guy when you have no clue how any of this works.
There's no reason to drill more when sales of EV's continue to rise. We will be depending less on oil, not more. I've posted links showing you how panic over Russian oil has increased prices and how the very actions you propose would only raise oil prices and line Putin's pockets even more. Yet still, here you are throwing your usual tantrum.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
You links are trash and only reinforce everything I've said. I won't waste time quoting them because you'll just move the goalposts further. You're hopeless.
The whole world (including Germany!) is abandoning Russia's oil... But if we do it, (1% of our refined oil) PANIC WILL TOPPLE THE MARKETS!
And... if nobody buys Russian oil, Putin will make even MORE money! lmao
I honestly think you get off trying to throw enough b.s. at any given subject to make others give up trying to reason with you -- and then thinking you've won something.
You win, little buddy. I'd have better luck talking it out with my dog.
Once again, all you can do is lash out when confronted with the facts. If you really want to clue yourself in, look at how oil futures markets have worked throughout history. I know it's a lot of homework but sometimes that's what it takes to learn. You talk about moving the goal posts? Where did I ever say it would "topple the oil market"? That's just an outright lie. What it will do is greatly increase oil prices.
And yes, Europe is searching for a way to reduce its dependence on Russian oil. But they haven't found a way and are still buying Russian oil. None of that has changed no matter your suggestion to the otherwise.
Good luck living in your bubble.
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j/c - Why not take the oil/energy fight to a different thread. While important by itself - it is not as urgent or in your face as the actual War in Ukraine and what Russia is doing today to another sovereign nation.
There was some talk about how this ends - here's an article from the BBC discussing just that. It does not cover the - a Nuclear escalation.
No, the Russian people are EXACTLY like us. They view things differently because they have been raised under different circumstances than we have but human nature doesn't change, not over time, not over geography, it just doesn't change. Ukraine is living proof of that, a generation ago these people were essentially Russian, once they were allowed to be self-governing and they developed a love for the freedom and the democracy that they had, they thought differently. Because inherently, people want to be free to make their own choices, people want to be left alone to succeed or fail based on their own efforts, they want to raise and provide for their family in peace, they want to be a part of choosing their own destiny...
Polling inside Russia says that support for this conflict is split... on one side you have people who read and follow outside news through the internet and social media, people who are fairly educated, people who are well travelled in the world.. largely stand opposed to this war. On the other side you have those who watch and believe state media, who are easily influenced by propaganda and misinformation, who have a longing for some romanticized version of past greatness they hope to rekindle, who have spent little to no time outside of Russia seeing how the rest of the world functions... they largely are in favor of the war. Yes, they are exactly like us.
If you could somehow free the Russian people of the oppressive government they have always lived under, you would see that in less than one generation, they would become used to it and they would never be willing to go back... they are exactly like us.
I had to Google your signature to find out what it meant. Not only do I agree with your post, I agree with your signature.
I have been following closely on the news every night and I'm at the point where if I don't hear at least two Ukrainians a night tell Putin to "Go F*** himself" I'm disappointed.
On the green energy front, it isn't electric, wind or whatever.
If you want a cheap, pretty much limitless supply of energy, hydrogen is the answer.
Yes, we have all seen the Hindenburg blow up...to me it will be far easier to find ways to "safely" tap in to hydrogen as an energy source then to fool around with batteries, wind, etc. Most or many of our energy delivery systems are already set up to burn some sort of gas. It makes sense to me to find ways to burn hydrogen rather than change everything else.
Zero carbon emissions, little waste disposal unlike a battery when it dies.
I like that idea. The problem is “how do you get the hydrogen?” On top of that, I think it’s more expensive than most fuels to store and compress due to the size of the atom. Someone should probably verify that last thing I said, because I heard it second hand, and I’m no chemist.
I think that’s One of the reasons fuel cells did not take off the same way EVs did.
I honestly don’t know what the real solution is. I do know there is room for growth and strides in all sectors of clean energy. It’s just too easy to use fossil fuels right now.
I’d like to explore improving all options or at least a couple. Like anything else, the efficiency at which these things run now is - I hope - not the ceiling of their efficiency. A couple decades ago, people scoffed at the idea of electric cars because they were so underwhelming. The tech improved and now the tide is completely turning in their favor.
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Wait, you are saying people in Russia who unquestionably follow what political figures say are just like us???? That cannot be remotely true. We are a free-thinking people who always hold our politicians accountable, regardless of their political views.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
On the green energy front, it isn't electric, wind or whatever.
If you want a cheap, pretty much limitless supply of energy, hydrogen is the answer.
Yes, we have all seen the Hindenburg blow up...to me it will be far easier to find ways to "safely" tap in to hydrogen as an energy source then to fool around with batteries, wind, etc. Most or many of our energy delivery systems are already set up to burn some sort of gas. It makes sense to me to find ways to burn hydrogen rather than change everything else.
Zero carbon emissions, little waste disposal unlike a battery when it dies.
Why not hydrogen? Mainly because it's not as efficient as other options for most uses. link
A big part of the issue with "green" energy is that many of the sources aren't available at will. The wind is blowing or the sun is shining. Or they're not. But when they are happening they are happening whether you do anything or not. The energy is basically "sitting there" waiting to be tapped into. The question then becomes one of storage. I find this technology really interesting: https://ambri.com/technology/
I do think our wind energy paradigm is rather dumb. Big windmill looking things in the middle of open fields is not the way to go imo.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
Seriously - if one of these Oligarchs with Billions (B) wanted to - the price should be $100M. . . . a $1M bounty to these guys is literally like $10 to us normal folk. ($1M is 1/10000 of a $10B).
But it's a start. Hopefully.
As the BBC article I posted indicated - there is every chance regardless of the outcome, regime change will be coming to Mother Russia.
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