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I was giving some thought as to if there's any possible way to get Putin to put an end to this while saving a little face, in order to conclude this with as little loss of life as possible. I really don't think so. So, how does this end? I'm sure we all agree that Putin is just not going to concede defeat. The only real option is to neutralize Putin by killing or imprisoning him, or accepting his wrath. I don't think we'll have long to wait. Supposedly the Russians have already committed 90% of the forces they originally amassed at the border. Supposedly, the troops committed to invading Ukraine were a significant portion of his overall military. TLDR: if Russia is to keep going, they'll have to pull more ground troops to commit to Ukraine, pull in different assets, force Belarus to get much more involved, or a combo of all. Putin needs to make a move soon to continue.
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Not now that she's waited for over a week after the war started. People were warned for weeks this was going to happen and ignored it. Not that I certainly don't hope all Americans can safely get out of Russia because I do. But staying there with all of the warnings of the coming war and even over a week after the war started is pretty foolish. Sounds like she was arrested 3 weeks ago, before the war started... she still shouldn't have had the drugs on her...
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Kind of reminds me of a movie from somewhere in the 70'S, Midnight Run.
If you are traveling to countries with harsh drug penalties and a inflexible penal system, you have to be pretty dim to test the system.
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Dude, take your preconceived ideas of me and shove them. I wasn't making any anti pit statement at all. Geesh.
She got arrested for drugs. I know!!! It was a simple statement by me. I mean, damn.....you're impossible. So this is how you say you agree with me? Nice. Classy.
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I know right… I mean Trump was banned for just a little insurrection, Putin invaded a peaceful country.  Seriously though, he should have been banned long ago. All he does is lie. Big lies lead to big trouble.
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Sounds like she was arrested 3 weeks ago, before the war started... she still shouldn't have had the drugs on her... Kind of reminds me of a movie from somewhere in the 70'S, Midnight Run.
If you are traveling to countries with harsh drug penalties and a inflexible penal system, you have to be pretty dim to test the system.
JMO jay/peen...so the Russian's are the source you want to rely upon..?
If someone is already biased against an American that THE RUSSIANS say that she had drugs in her possession...you might be more inclined to believe the RUSSIANS instead of thinking that this could a RUSSIAN lie to hold another American as a hostage.
Some of you seem to put your trust in the RUSSIAN source rather realizing the RUSSIANS LIE...ALOT..!
Putin is growing more desperate by the day and he is worried that he will soon become a target...but keep in mind..PUTIN AND THE RUSSIAN MEDIA that PUTIN is full control of..they will lie too!
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So it's your assertion that out of all the Americans leaving Russia, that a WNBA player would be their focus? That they wouldn't have targeted a more valuable asset? Is there a possibility they are lying? Yes, it's a possibility. But looking at the history in such situations, they usually target a government official, charge them with being a spy which carries a lifetime sentence and use them as leverage in a prisoner exchange.
If they are lying, they chose an unlikely target that breaks the mold of past actions. I have also not seen anyone from the NBA or her representation deny the charges.
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I hope our politicians are at least thinking about this whole global economy issue https://apnews.com/article/russia-u...le-east-1b41faaa7ac0984d0673023b68d39a70https://apnews.com/article/russia-u...le-east-1b41faaa7ac0984d0673023b68d39a70Click to copy RELATED TOPICS Russian war in world’s ‘breadbasket’ threatens food supply By JOSEPH WILSON, SAMY MAGDY, AYA BATRAWY and CHINEDU ASADU A worker collects Egyptian traditional 'baladi' flatbread, at a bakery, in el-Sharabia, Shubra district, Cairo, Egypt, Wednesday, March 2, 2022. The Russian tanks and missiles besieging Ukraine also are threatening the food supply and livelihoods of people in Europe, Africa and Asia who rely on the vast, fertile farmlands of the Black Sea region. That could create food insecurity and throw more people into poverty in places like Egypt and Lebanon, where diets are dominated by government-subsidized bread. (AP Photo/Nariman El-Mofty) BARCELONA, Spain (AP) — The Russian tanks and missiles besieging Ukraine also are threatening the food supply and livelihoods of people in Europe, Africa and Asia who rely on the vast, fertile farmlands of the Black Sea region — known as the “breadbasket of the world.” Ukrainian farmers have been forced to neglect their fields as millions flee, fight or try to stay alive. Ports are shut down that send wheat and other food staples worldwide to be made into bread, noodles and animal feed. And there are worries Russia, another agricultural powerhouse, could have its grain exports upended by Western sanctions. While there have not yet been global disruptions to wheat supplies, prices have surged 55% since a week before the invasion amid concerns about what could happen next. If the war is prolonged, countries that rely on affordable wheat exports from Ukraine could face shortages starting in July, International Grains Council director Arnaud Petit told The Associated Press. That could create food insecurity and throw more people into poverty in places like Egypt and Lebanon, where diets are dominated by government-subsidized bread. In Europe, officials are preparing for potential shortages of products from Ukraine and increased prices for livestock feed that could mean more expensive meat and dairy if farmers are forced to pass along costs to customers. Russia and Ukraine combine for nearly a third of the world’s wheat and barley exports. Ukraine also is a major supplier of corn and the global leader in sunflower oil, used in food processing. The war could reduce food supplies just when prices are at their highest levels since 2011. A prolonged conflict would have a big impact some 1,500 miles (2,400 kilometers) away in Egypt, the world’s largest wheat importer. Millions rely on subsidized bread made from Ukrainian grains to survive, with about a third of people living in poverty. “Wars mean shortages, and shortages mean (price) hikes,” Ahmed Salah, a 47-year-old father of seven, said in Cairo. “Any hikes will be catastrophic not only for me, but for the majority of the people.” Anna Nagurney, a professor of supply chains, logistics and economics at the University of Massachusetts Amherst, said, “Wheat, corn, oils, barley, flour are extremely important to food security ... especially in the poorer parts of the globe.” With Ukrainian men being called on to fight, she said, “Who’s going to be doing the harvesting? Who’d be doing the transportation?” Egypt’s state procurer of wheat, which normally buys heavily from Russia and Ukraine, had to cancel two orders in less than a week: one for overpricing, the other because a lack of companies offered to sell their supplies. Sharp spikes in the cost of wheat globally could severely affect Egypt’s ability to keep bread prices at their current subsidized level. “Bread is extremely heavily subsidized in Egypt, and successive governments have found that cuts to those subsidies are the one straw that should be kept off the camel’s back at all costs,” Mirette Mabrouk, a senior fellow at the Middle East Institute, wrote in a recent analysis. War-ravaged Syria recently announced it would cut spending and ration staples. In nearby Lebanon, where a massive explosion at the Beirut port in 2020 destroyed the country’s main grain silos, authorities are scrambling to make up for a predicted wheat shortage, with Ukraine providing 60% of its supply. They are in talks with the U.S., India and Canada to find other sources for a country already in financial meltdown. Even before the war threatened to affect wheat supplies in sub-Saharan Africa, people in Kenya were demanding #lowerfoodprices on social media as inflation eroded their spending power. Now, they’re bracing for worse. African countries imported agricultural products worth $4 billion from Russia in 2020, and about 90% was wheat, said Wandile Sihlobo, chief economist for the Agricultural Business Chamber of South Africa. In Nigeria, flour millers believe a shortage of wheat supplies from Russia would affect the price of products like bread, a common food in Africa’s most populous country. “All of us need to look elsewhere” in the future, said Tope Ogun with Honeywell Flour Mills Plc, one of Nigeria’s biggest flour milling companies. “We might not get what we need to, and there is likely going to be an increase in the price.” Nigeria has taken pains to reduce its reliance on Russian grains, with farmers moving to plant more wheat fields to try to meet 70% of the country’s demand in five years, said Gambo Sale, national secretary of the Wheat Farmers Association of Nigeria. “We have the land, we have the people, we have the money, we have whatever we can need in Nigeria” to grow wheat, he said. “All we need now is time.” The disruption can be felt as far away as Indonesia, where wheat is used to make instant noodles, bread, fried foods and snacks. Ukraine was Indonesia’s second-largest wheat supplier last year, providing 26% of wheat consumed. Rising prices for noodles, in turn, would hurt lower-income people, said Kasan Muhri, who heads the trade ministry’s research division. Ukraine and Russia also combine for 75% of global sunflower oil exports, accounting for 10% of all cooking oils, IHS Markit said. Raad Hebsi, a wholesale retailer in Baghdad, said he and other Iraqis are bracing to pay more for their cooking oil. “Once the items stored are sold, we will see an increase in prices of these items,” he said. “We will likely purchase alternatives from Turkey, and Turkey will no doubt take advantage of the situation in Ukraine and raise its prices.” Farmers in the United States, the world’s leading corn exporter and a major wheat supplier, are watching to see if U.S. wheat exports spike. In the European Union, farmers are concerned about rising costs for livestock feed. Ukraine supplies the EU with just under 60% of its corn and nearly half of a key component in the grains needed to feed livestock. Russia, which provides the EU with 40% of its natural gas needs, is similarly a major supplier of fertilizer, wheat and other staples. Spain is feeling the pinch both in sunflower oil, which supermarkets are rationing, and grains for the all-important breeding industry. Those imported grains go to feed some 55 million pigs. Jaume Bernis, a 58-year-old breeder with 1,200 swine on his farm in northeast Spain, fears the war will further increase the pain his business is facing because of climate change and drought. Since October, Spanish pork products have been taking a loss from high costs, Bernis said. Those costs are driven by China stockpiling feed for its pigs as it claws its way out of a devastating outbreak of African swine fever. In the first two days of Russia’s assault on Ukraine, the price of grain for animal feed jumped 10% on the open market in Spain. “We are facing a moment of very elevated costs, and we don’t know what lies ahead,” Bernis said. “This is another cost of waging a war in the 21st century.” ___ Batrawy reported from Dubai, Magdy from Cairo and Asadu from Lagos, Nigeria. AP reporters Paul Wiseman in Washington; Qassim Abdul-Zahra in Baghdad; Cara Anna in Nairobi, Kenya; Niniek Karmini in Jakarta, Indonesia; and Roxana Hegeman in Belle Plaine, Kansas, contributed.
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pit..so you are saying you would rather believe the RUSSIANS...
You do realize that Gainer would be and was a prime target for the RUSSIANS
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Is this how we get to scorched earth? are they trying to bring Europe/Nato into this. I wonder if they thought that the wind would blow any fallout back towards russia Russian forces 'fire rockets at SECOND nuclear facility': Warning of 'large-scale ecological disaster' as missiles hammer Kharkiv physics institute with atomic reactor inside https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ets-SECOND-nuclear-facility-Kharkiv.html
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...erm/ar-AAUCLo7?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531Former National Security Advisor John Bolton says 'Putin was waiting' for Trump to withdraw the United States from NATO in his second term bmetzger@insider.com (Bryan Metzger) - Friday Former President Donald Trump shakes hands with Russian President Vladimir Putin during a joint press conference in Helsinki, Finland, on July 16, 2018. Xinhua/Lehtikuva/Jussi Nukari via Getty Images Former National Security Advisor John Bolton said Putin was "waiting" for Trump to withdraw the US from NATO. He previously warned that Trump would have withdrawn from the alliance if he'd won a 2nd term. Bolton also said Trump's "main interest" in Ukraine was trying to "find Hillary Clinton's computer server." Former National Security Advisor John Bolton said on Friday that Russian President Vladimir Putin was waiting for former President Donald Trump to withdraw the United States from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization if he had won a second term. Bolton made the remarks during a virtual event with the Washington Post on the Russian invasion of Ukraine, where Bolton mostly offered critiques of current President Joe Biden's foreign policy in the region. At the end of the event, he was asked by the Post's Michael Duffy about how close Trump came to withdrawing the country from NATO, a translantic security alliance that includes the United States, Canada, and most of Europe. "I thought he put his foot over it, but at least he didn't withdraw then," said Bolton, who wrote in his memoir about Trump's consideration of withdrawing from NATO in 2018. "In a second Trump term, I think he may well have withdrawn from NATO. And I think Putin was waiting for that." Trump viewed NATO as a liability during his presidency, believing that European countries were not paying enough of their fair share of the burden of providing defense to the alliance. Bolton, a State Department official during the George W. Bush administration, was brought on to be Trump's national security advisor in 2018 only to be ousted a year and a half later. Bolton's latest comments come just days after he told Newsmax that Trump "barely knew where Ukraine was," pushing back on a host who said the former president had been "tough on Russia." Asked whether he was satisfied by how the Trump administration handled Ukraine, Bolton criticized his former boss. "I think it went very badly," said Bolton. "It was hard to have discussions on geostrategic issues when the president's main interest was getting... Rudy Giuliani in to see [Ukrainian President Volodymyr] Zelensky so they could go find Hillary Clinton's computer server. He added that Ukraine's position in the "maelstrom of American presidential politics" in the last few years made it difficult for Zelensky to establish a proper relationship with the United States, which Bolton said was Ukraine's "potentially most important supporter." Trump was impeached for the first time over his withholding of $400 million in military aid to Ukraine in order to pressure Zelensky to launch an investigation into Biden and his son Hunter over allegations of corruption. Bolton said on Friday that former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and former Defense Secretary Mark Esper were concerned by Trump's behavior at the time. "All of us felt that we needed to bolster Ukraine's security, and were appalled at what Trump was doing," he said. Read the original article on Business Insider
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pit..so you are saying you would rather believe the RUSSIANS...
You do realize that Gainer would be and was a prime target for the RUSSIANS Believe Russia over what? I haven't seen her, the NBA or her legal representation deny the charges.
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You do realize that Gainer would be and was a prime target for the RUSSIANS Yeah, that's why the entire rest of the players and the coaching staff got out of Russia. Because according to you, they singled her out of all of them. Do you have any idea how crazy that sounds? But then lately that's what we've come to expect.
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Yep, still no denial of the charges.
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Yep, still no denial of the charges. pit...so you want play this game of yours where you get the last word..therefore your right and you can call it a WIN...
..YOU REALLY WANT TO PLAY THAT GAME WITH "ME"...
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Did you read the damn article in the link I posted?
Obviously you didn't...
Here, I'll make it easier for you...
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/phoenix-mercury-player-brittney-griner-detained-russia-rcna18842
Phoenix Mercury player Brittney Griner detained in Russia
She was detained after the Russian Federal Customs Service said it discovered cartridges containing hashish oil in her luggage at the Sheremetyevo airport.
March 5, 2022, 11:38 AM EST By Minyvonne Burke and The Associated Press
WNBA star Brittney Griner was arrested in Russia on drug charges after a search of her luggage found vape cartridges containing oil derived from cannabis, according to Russian officials.
USA Basketball said in a tweet Saturday that it is monitoring the situation.
"Brittney has always handled herself with the utmost professionalism during her long tenure with USA Basketball and her safety and wellbeing are our primary concerns," the tweet read.
Griner was detained after the Russian Federal Customs Service said it discovered cartridges containing hashish oil in her luggage at the Sheremetyevo airport near Moscow. The offense could carry a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison.
Griner’s agent, Lindsay Kagawa Colas, said she could not release further details because it's an ongoing legal matter. USA Basketball@usabasketballUSA Basketball is aware of and closely monitoring the legal situation facing Brittney Griner in Russia. Brittney has always handled herself with the utmost professionalism during her long tenure with USA Basketball and her safety and well being are our primary concerns.
11:12 AM · Mar 5, 2022 Griner is a center for WNBA's Phoenix Mercury and has played in Russia for the last seven years in the winter. She last played for her Russian team UMMC Ekaterinburg on Jan. 29 before the league took a two-week break in early February for the FIBA World Cup qualifying tournaments.
Griner, 31, has won two Olympic gold medals with the U.S., a WNBA championship with the Mercury, and a national championship at Baylor. She is a seven-time All-Star.
Phoenix Mercury said in a statement it has been in contact with her family and representative."We love and support Brittney and at this time our main concern is her safety, physical and mental health, and her safe return home," the team said.
The detainment comes amid the escalating conflict created by Russia attacking Ukraine. On Saturday, the State Department issued a “do not travel” advisory for Russia and urged all U.S. citizens to leave immediately.
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I don't believe a damn things out of Russia... I honestly don't know if she was arrested yesterday or two months ago... don't know if she honestly had the drugs on her or if they were planted... I wouldn't trust anything out of Russia media...
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So where did any of them deny the charges? Either you can answer that or you can't. You can't.
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So where did any of them deny the charges? Either you can answer that or you can't. You can't. pit..so again, you refuse to read the information contained in article
Your answer is here...from the article..."Griner’s agent, Lindsay Kagawa Colas, said she could not release further details because it's an ongoing legal matter. USA Basketball@usabasketballUSA Basketball is aware of and closely monitoring the legal situation facing Brittney Griner in Russia. Brittney has always handled herself with the utmost professionalism during her long tenure with USA Basketball and her safety and well being are our primary concerns."
pit...you ever deal with lawyers representing you..?
When a lawyer tells their client not to say a word...what do you do?..
PIT WOULD..defy his lawyers and start spouting to the RUSSIANS that he is innocent...right Pit..? (hypothetical).
So Pit...BECAUSE GRINER DID THE "SMART THING", LISTENING TO HER LAWYERS AND REMAINING SILENT...IN YOUR MIND THAT MAKES HER GUILTY OF SOMETHING...RIGHT?
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AND SOMETHING ELSE PIT...your brain does not seem to understand that Griner is being held in Russia where she might not be ALLOWED TO SPEAK OUT TO THE RUSSIAN OR AMERICAN MEDIA...
...can you grasp today's reality...Griner is being held in Russia where she likely does not have the rights she might have if she were in the USA.
...YOU DO UNDERSTAND THAT..?
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I've never heard a lawyer refuse to state a clients innocence. Yes, I understand they object to clients and even themselves from saying a lot or too much. But proclaiming a clients innocence?, No, never heard of that. Refusing to proclaim innocence is not "the smart thing" if in fact they are innocent. I'm pretty sure everyone reading this thread understands that so I'll leave it at that. You just keep doing you.
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Pit...imo, only those who have already made up their mind...those who for some reason are already biased against Griner, would hold your stated position...she has to be GUILTY OF SOMETHING, BECAUSE SHE BELIEVES IT'S BEST IF SHE FOLLOWS HER LAWYERS ADVISE...to remain silent...right?
You actually want us to believe that you are in a position "to question the advice her lawyers might have given her", to keep quiet..? just because she didn't tell the Russian media that she was not guilty, in your funny little world, that makes her guilty of something... ..
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This is a really good read on the situation and various US Presidents and how they handled 'Russia'. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60597186I saw here - or elsewhere - a meme proclaiming Putin had managed to do what others couldn't in Uniting Europe ... and I think at the end of the day, with staunch and calm support from the USA, that will be what wins.
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Sometimes it feels like the Russian army is the bad news bears.
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The amount of war propaganda being spread on here and in the media, in general, is astounding. Where did all the misinformation warriors go around here?
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Look at these freaking morons.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/rubio-daines-share-photos-zelenskyy-call-asked-not-ukraine-rcna18841#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16466084655368&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcnews.com%2Fpolitics%2Fcongress%2Frubio-daines-share-photos-zelenskyy-call-asked-not-ukraine-rcna18841
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If they get through this and remain a free state, they deserve everything the world can give them. And these people are not only brave, they have a hell of a sense of humor too.
Last edited by OldColdDawg; 03/06/22 09:58 PM.
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