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No it’s not actually

So it's not the same intel agency whose head (Brennen) was on CNN every day swearing Trump was a traitor and Russian spy?

BS. Cracks me up that the Putin loving party of insurrection thinks their opinions matter. If you want to blame a President for high oil prices in America, then blame Obama for allowing BIG OIL to export our oil for profit. He did that, btw, to appease GOPers. All of this revisionist history you are soaking up from Fox and OANN is rotting your brain, at least what brain you have left.

I’m not going to entertain your pointless deflection and false equivalency any longer than this post, but no. Look it up.

Also, Brennan did not do that.

The party of Putin and Trump as his Lap Dog sure have some fuzzy memories. But then from such a group of people who are so emotional, devoid of facts and high on hate and division ... unsurprising.

I warned y'all.

I know, and my whole original effort was to stay out of this thread, too.

I blame Swish.

Definitely Swish's fault.

John Bolton: Not accurate to say 'Trump's behavior somehow deterred the Russians'

Former national security adviser John Bolton pushed back against the idea that former President Trump’s behavior discouraged Russian military aggression while he was in office, saying, “It’s just not accurate to say that Trump's behavior somehow deterred the Russians.”

During an interview with Bolton, Newsmax host Rob Schmitt said that “there is something to be said, though, about the simple fact that there was not aggression during the four years” Trump was in office, noting a list of actions that the Washington think tank Brookings Institution said the Trump administration took against Russia.

“I mean, he took a very tough stance against Russia. I'm surprised you don't think that he would have handled it better than Joe Biden,” Schmitt told Bolton.

“He did not,” Bolton replied. “We didn't sanction Nord Stream 2. We should have. We should have brought the project to an end. We did impose sanctions on Russian oligarchs and several others because of their sales of S-400 anti-aircraft systems to other countries. But in almost every case, the sanctions were imposed with Trump complaining about it, saying we were being too hard.”

The Trump-era national security adviser claimed the former president did not know where Ukraine was on a map and said he believed Russia did not take more aggressive actions while Trump was in office because Russia “didn’t feel that their military was ready.”

“The fact is that he barely knew where Ukraine was. He once asked John Kelly, his second chief of staff, if Finland were a part of Russia. It’s just not accurate to say that Trump's behavior somehow deterred the Russians,” Bolton said.

Taylor Budowich, a spokesperson for Trump, slammed Bolton's comments in a statement to The Hill.

“John Bolton was fired because he believes anything less than war is not enough. President Trump ensured peace during his administration and ended wars, making Bolton irrelevant," Budowich said.

A majority of Americans believe that Russian President Vladimir Putin would not have invaded Ukraine if Trump were still president, according to a poll released last week.

A Harvard Center for American Political Studies-Harris Poll survey last week found that 62 percent of those polled believed Putin would not be moving against Ukraine if Trump were still in office.

https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...say-trumps-behavior-somehow-deterred-the

They should remove Trump supporters from their polling lists.

“Donald Trump’s press conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of ‘high crimes & misdemeanors.’ It was nothing short of treasonous. ... he is wholly in the pocket of Putin."

-John Brennen

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...ald-trump-treason-sue-column/1017695002/

What do you call attempting to overthrow an election that was challenged in courts and proved correct?

Calling on the VP to overturn electors?

I would call your post an attempt to change the subject from what Brennen said.

Look at what you said he did and look at what you quoted.

They match up pretty well, why?

Can't admit you were wrong?

He was and should have already stretched a rope.

Barr says Trump 'lost his grip' in forthcoming memoir

Former Attorney General William Barr writes in his forthcoming memoir that former President Trump “lost his grip” after the 2020 presidential election, also urging the Republican Party to find a different candidate for 2024, The New York Times reported.

In his new memoir, “One Damn Thing After Another: Memoirs of an Attorney General,” Barr repeatedly knocks Trump, whom he fell out with amid the former president's claims of election fraud.

“He stopped listening to his advisers, became manic and unreasonable, and was off the rails,” Barr writes in his memoir, per the Times. “He surrounded himself with sycophants, including many whack jobs from outside the government, who fed him a steady diet of comforting but unsupported conspiracy theories.”

Barr also urges GOP leaders to pick someone else to be the party’s presidential candidate in 2024, calling another potential Trump campaign “dismaying,” according to the Times.

“Donald Trump has shown he has neither the temperament nor persuasive powers to provide the kind of positive leadership that is needed,” Barr writes.

Barr also wrote that Trump became furious with his attorney general during a December 2020 meeting, after the Department of Justice found nothing to support Trump’s election fraud claims.

Trump reportedly accused Barr of “pulling the rug out from under me.” When Barr tried to explain why various claims of a election fraud were unfounded and offered to resign from his position, Trump slammed the table and yelled “accepted!" the former AG wrote.

In a statement last June, Trump referred to his former attorney general as a “swamp creature” after he called Trump's election claims "[censored]" in a book authored by ABC News chief Washington correspondent Jonathan Karl.

"Barr was a 'swamp creature' who was devastated when the Radical Left wanted to impeach him," Trump said at the time. "It takes a very strong and special person to go against the 'mob'. Bill Barr was not that person."

https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...rump-lost-his-grip-in-forthcoming-memoir

Barr talked to the January 6th committee, I wonder if he told the truth? Looks like he is telling the truth in his book.

I’ll let you know once I am.

If Trump was President, Zelinsky would be dead by now, and Putin would be smoking a victory cigar.

What is treason? This is the question. Brennen had his definition.

What is yours?

lol man i forgot all about bolton. people gotta remember that trump threw hissy fits and fought tooth and nail not to punish russia for anything.

its why i love the internet. we can revisit all the crap our officials have done very quickly. i forgot about Trump's nonstop threats to withdraw american forces from europe.

You know that's pretty funny coming from a (still) staunch Trump guy.

Well, your point aside, I’m glad he actually said Putin needs to stop doing something.

05..this is where an individual's judgment has to take over and you need to ask...can you believe a guy that just a couple days ago was praising Putin as some great leader..?

Of course I don’t trust him. The bar was literally on the floor. Even just implying that Putin did something wrong though is more than he’s done in the past. Which is sad really.

If Trump were president:

We'd have lower prices at the gas pump
We'd still have the US as a net exporter of oil
We'd be selling our oil to Europe which could bypass Russia completely
We'd have a president who cares about the US border and prevents illegal immigration
We'd have a president who doesn't buddy up with China
We'd have a president whose domestic policies would be America first

All you'd have to put up with were some petty, mean tweets, unorthodox style for logical great economic results. Nobody can deny that the country was headed in the right direction from 2016-2020, personally, I'd like to get back to that point. Anyone who voted for Joe Biden, I don't feel a shred of sadness for them in terms of economic hardship because they asked for it and voted based on their emotions.

No, you wouldn't. It would have meant his insurrection was successful and Putin took over America without firing a shot. Manchurian candidate.

Sadly I think you actually believe the things you post.

What did she post that wasn't true?

All of it, sadly. TB still thinks the traitor and chief was a good POTUS. Well maybe if you look at it like this… POTUS.

The president does not control the price of fuel or oil.



Following its historic shift to being a net exporter of petroleum in 2020, the United States continued to export more petroleum (which includes crude oil, refined petroleum products, and other liquids) than it imported in 2021. According to our February 2022 Short-Term Energy Outlook (STEO), we expect net crude oil imports to increase, making the United States a net importer of petroleum in 2022.

As of this past year were still exporting more oil than we were exporting. But let me ask you, why would you think it's a good idea to be exporting our oil while still buying foreign oil? What was it she was saying about "putting America first"?



Trump not only buddied up to China, but Russia and N. Korea.

Jan. 22, Twitter:

“One of the many great things about our just signed giant Trade Deal with China is that it will bring both the USA & China closer together in so many other ways. Terrific working with President Xi, a man who truly loves his country. Much more to come!”

Jan. 29, Remarks at signing ceremony for the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement:

“And, honestly, I think, as tough as this negotiation was, I think our relationship with China now might be the best it's been in a long, long time. And now it's reciprocal. Before, we were being ripped off badly. Now we have a reciprocal relationship, maybe even better than reciprocal for us.”

Jan. 30, Fox News interview:

"China is not in great shape right now, unfortunately. But they're working very hard. We'll see what happens. But we're working very closely with China and other countries."

Feb. 7, Remarks at North Carolina Opportunity Now Summit in Charlotte, N.C.:

"I just spoke to President Xi last night, and, you know, we're working on the — the problem, the virus. It's a — it's a very tough situation. But I think he's going to handle it. I think he's handled it really well. We're helping wherever we can."

Feb. 7, Twitter:

“Just had a long and very good conversation by phone with President Xi of China. He is strong, sharp and powerfully focused on leading the counterattack on the Coronavirus. He feels they are doing very well, even building hospitals in a matter of only days … Great discipline is taking place in China, as President Xi strongly leads what will be a very successful operation. We are working closely with China to help!

Feb. 7, Remarks before Marine One departure:

"Late last night, I had a very good talk with President Xi, and we talked about — mostly about the coronavirus. They're working really hard, and I think they are doing a very professional job. They're in touch with World — the World — World Organization. CDC also. We're working together. But World Health is working with them. CDC is working with them. I had a great conversation last night with President Xi. It's a tough situation. I think they're doing a very good job.”

Feb. 10, Fox Business interview:

"I think China is very, you know, professionally run in the sense that they have everything under control," Trump said. "I really believe they are going to have it under control fairly soon. You know in April, supposedly, it dies with the hotter weather. And that's a beautiful date to look forward to. But China I can tell you is working very hard."

Feb. 10, campaign rally in Manchester, N.H.:

“I spoke with President Xi, and they’re working very, very hard. And I think it’s all going to work out fine.”

Feb. 13, Fox News interview:

“I think they've handled it professionally and I think they're extremely capable and I think President Xi is extremely capable and I hope that it's going to be resolved."

Feb. 18, remarks before Air Force One departure:

“I think President Xi is working very hard. As you know, I spoke with him recently. He’s working really hard. It’s a tough problem. I think he’s going to do — look, I’ve seen them build hospitals in a short period of time. I really believe he wants to get that done, and he wants to get it done fast. Yes, I think he’s doing it very professionally.”

Feb. 23, remarks before Marine One departure:

"I think President Xi is working very, very hard. I spoke to him. He's working very hard. I think he's doing a very good job. It's a big problem. But President Xi loves his country. He's working very hard to solve the problem, and he will solve the problem. OK?"

Feb. 26, remarks at a business roundtable in New Delhi, India:

“China is working very, very hard. I have spoken to President Xi, and they’re working very hard. And if you know anything about him, I think he’ll be in pretty good shape. They’re — they’ve had a rough patch, and I think right now they have it — it looks like they’re getting it under control more and more. They’re getting it more and more under control.”


I point to the infrastructure deal which will do more for America than everything trump did during his entire presidency.

Even in Trump's falsely inflated claims he created 700k manufacturing jobs. The Biden administration in it's first year has helped create 375k.

That's putting America first. I understand you're confusion because it appears the news some of you follow refuses to report the truth to you.

In April 2020, trump had conversations with OPEC+ and Mexico about cutting oil production.
The Saudis did not want to cut-trump on backing from congressman went back to the Saudi's and told them that either they cut production or lose US Military support.

why does it matter now...it was the largest oil production cut ever taking about 10% of supply off the market and there were production limits as part of the agreement thru April 2022-next month.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...s-military-support-sources-idUSKBN22C1V4

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/...russia-saudi-arabia-oil-coronavirus.html

Very interesting. And here I thought a president had no input or control on oil prices. It appears they can.

Pit,
normally I would say no other than the president/congress messing with the federal tax on gasoline.

at that time there was a historic reduction in demand everywhere in the world-and the senators do what they are paid to do-to cover the asses of their corporate sponsors-they told trump to come to a deal or they were going to do something and trump struck a deal.

I don't think almost anyone would have seen us coming out of covid as robust as we have and also the same for the russian invasion of Ukraine.

And also, if Biden restricts the oil from russia right now-we could easily see crude in the 140-175 a barrel range and rather quickly-
fox and the people on the right are constantly on Biden now about cutting off russian oil and I get it-but don't cry when gas is 7-10 bucks a gallon depending on state taxes and the grade of gas you purchase.

I tried explaining that very thing about Russian oil and how such actions would spike a huge rise in oil and fuel prices. Somehow he just couldn't grasp the concept. India and other nations would simply buy that Russian oil at a much higher cost which would only end up lining Putin's pockets even more.

You are grossly incorrect.

trump is not interested in democracy. He proved that by trying to overthrow a election that he lost.

trump is a Putin wannabe.

You are blind if you can see that.

What I wouldn't do for a mean tweet and some cheap gas!!! Some of us are old enough to remember Jimmy Carter. If you don't learn from the past your destined to repeat it. All I can say 1 year in is her we go again.