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The way he plays... he looks like he will get hurt a lot. He plays far too loose.

No doubt a guy who hasn't been discussed a whole lot to this point. He might be the best of the receiver group.

As you said, guys come back from similar injury all the time. Chubbs injury while at Georgia may have been similar and it hasn't hurt him. I don't see any reason to shy away from Williams because of the injury, even if it does slow him down a bit at the beginning of the season. You are drafting a guy like that with 10 year expectations, you aren't very concerned with the first 4 games.

Williams is by far my top WR in the Draft, but a top DE might be just to hard to pass on depending on who is available when we pick.

I am currently seeing Walker and Johnson both shooting up the draft boards and being taken ahead of our #13 slot. Top 5 edge rushers might be long gone by the time we draft.

Boye Mafe rising up.

Also, love Chad Muma.

Trade back, get additional 2nd.

1. Mafe
2a. Pickens/Watson
2b. Muma

I personally think Garrett Wilson is the best receiver in this draft. He has the size, speed, and hands to be a stud in the NFL right off the bat. Little known fact...He went to the same High School Baker did.

Yeah, some video surfaced last week from when Baker made a trip back to Lake Travis High...

Berry and company have yet to disappoint at the draft, so I expect to get all the best guys.

Jameson Williams is too risky to take at 13.

I am a buckeye season ticket holder and I am not surprised to see that you have a buckeye helmet as as avi with this comment.

I LOVED WIlson at OSU, I will miss him dearly. He played so big I could have sworn he was 6'3. He's 6' even and ran slower than Olave.

Williams is a year younger and was the best WR in the country last year. He's definitely faster from the film I've seen and seeing them live. If Williams is healthy it's not even a 1a and 1b, it's like 1 and 2 or maybe even 3.

Have talked up Muma for a while now. Don't see him going until the third or fourth round.

Can someone please explain to me then how Wilson, Olave, Smith-Njigba were all ahead of Williams if he was/is better than Wilson and Olave? Just curious, I follow OSU a little but not that much.

He's not better than Wilson or Olave, just different. Wilson is a do it all type WR he has played both slot and outside WR, really the only knock on him is he's a little slender and struggles some on contested catches but he is one of the best at getting open. Olave is a lot like Wilson only not quite as explosive but very sure handed. Williams is a more vertical player and doesn't really run the possession routes.

79 receptions for 1,572 yards for an average of 19.9 yards /completion, with 15 TD says that they where blinded by their gluttony at the position.

Neither of the OSU WR have comparable numbers.

Some guys run a fast 40: time, but few players play as fast as their 40:

The same way Haskins was ahead of Burrow. Players develop at different rates and thrive in different situations. Health can play a factor.

I think too many people focus on the theoretical "best player" instead of the practical best fit when thinking about the draft. I think this is why so many players end up "misses"/"busts."

I agree.


Williams is a body catcher

Of the 4, Smith-Njigba is the best receiver in the group. Yet he barely played for the Buckeyes this past season.

While I agree with you about Smith-Njigba being the best I have to correct you about how much he played. He played in all 13 games and led the team in receiving. He is a slot receiver where traditionally they get less reps but OSU plays a ton of 3 wide.

https://www.foxsports.com/college-f...stats?category=receiving&season=2021

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...n-buckeyes-rivalry-game-loss-to-michigan

At the bottom of the second linked article is snap counts thru Michigan game. Smith was the first of the three to be pulled early in the season when games were out of hand.

Point taken
But it felt like he was clearly the 3rd receiver.

I disagree. So does the tape. There are some body catches in here .... but there are a lot of great hand catches and a lot of great adjustments to off target throws.

Wait... what?

:04 scoop (body catch) on the shoulder
:21 good catch away from the body
:39 has to come back and basket catch it
:49 catches with body/scoops it
1:01 short arms it close to the body
1:15 short arms it close to his body almost with his shoulder (you can see it better on the replay at 1:38)
1:47 scoop/basket catch in the pads
1:58 breadbasket catch
2:45 great catch away from the body
3:00 basket/body catch
3:32 good catch
4:05 basket catch almost drops it (won't be a catch in the NFL)

Good WRs catch the ball with their hands away from their body and pull the ball to their body.

Obviously, some basket/scoop/awkward catches are fine and expected. However, Williams does scoops/basket catches almost all of the time. In fact, it's rare to see him catch away from his body.

Williams will have tons of drops/batted balls/picks because he doesn't catch with his hands away from his body.

And Garrett is a hand clapper. He has a habit of flicking his hands and clapping the ball.

I think you are being overly critical. Slant patterns that get thrown at the guy (into his body, not in front of him) were caught with his hands, he could not have feasibly extended his hands and caught the ball further away, and you are saying it's a short arm catch close to his body. Other throws were behind and low, and he adjusts and gets his hands and arms under the ball while adjusting his whole body to come back and go down and you have that as a 'scoop basket catch' like it's a negative.

He clearly has good hands. He clearly catches many balls with his hands. He also lets the ball drop into his basket over his shoulder - I have no problem with that. He might have caught a ball or two into his body where I'd prefer to see it be a hands catch. That can be coached if the guy has good hands, which he clearly does. Could he go get the ball at a higher point on some throws? Yes.

I think labelling him simply as "he's a body catcher" which was your first point, is misleading or just wrong. He's got a ton of talent.

so, I was curious to see what scouting reports thought of Williams... Apparently, everyone else noticed the same thing.



https://bleacherreport.com/articles...raft-2022-scouting-report-for-alabama-wr
NEGATIVES
— Has a tendency to body-catch throws at his body, which can lead to drops. Can be uncomfortable when catching in traffic.


https://primetimesportstalk.com/2022/02/14/2022-nfl-draft-scouting-report-jameson-williams/
Williams has a tendency to body catch or trap the ball when it is thrown inside his frame which can result in the odd drop.

https://atbnetwork.com/2022/02/05/jameson-williams-scouting-report/
Inconsistent technique catching passes, as he frequently allows balls to enter his chest rather than attacking and plucking the front point of the football.
Struggles to maintain focus and composure at the catch point in traffic. Due to Williams’ long and slender frame, physical cornerbacks and safeties are able to overwhelm him with their play strength. This had led to many incomplete passes in contested catch situations.


https://yardsperfantasy.com/jameson-williams-2022-dynasty-rookie-profile/
-Tendency to let ball into body makes him susceptible to drops
-Couldn’t crack OSU depth chart; just 15 combined receptions as a freshman and sophomore

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Jameson-Williams-WR-OhioState
Does not always use his hands to secure deep throws, allowing the ball into his pads and chest.


https://www.silverandblackpride.com...jameson-williams-alabama-scouting-report
He’s a body catcher and doesn't have natural hands, leading to drops on throws that are away from his torso. He also won’t bail out the quarterback on inaccurate passes — but still catchable — that are in front or behind him and above his waist





Right now my ranking would probably go

1a. Burks (better at breaking tackles and has a mean stiff-arm)
1b. Wilson
2. Dotson
3. Olave
4. Williams

So I have a smaller pool of draft sites I use/trust.

1 of them mentioned not catching the ball at the highest point and sometimes body catching ... Thedraftnetork is one I like a lot and had this comment on his hands:

"Hands: Williams displays good hands and the ability to pluck the ball out of the air. Displayed confidence in his hands and his ability to catch the ball away from his body. Understands how to adjust his hands depending on ball location. Had a couple of drops that were due to concentration more than ability. "

As I said - the highlight film shows him bread basket catching over his shoulder and on more than one deep pass. I also think it shows him using his hands & making great adjustments. No big deal either way. Williams is top on some boards and 4th or 5th on others. Burks only real concern for me is his rounded route running - or at least, not as polished as a guy like Wilson and Olave.

I'd put Williams right after Wilson.

Burks - His combo of size/speed/bully and hands are special...he will need to work on route running.

Wilson - He is probably the best all-around WR who does everything well and has excellent game speed....but you cannot work on sheer size.

Williams - The speed is special. The size is near ideal. The injury is ...well...the injury.

Someone nailed it earlier...what do we want out of that WR?

Drake London anyone?

How he isn't ranked in that top five is amazing. With Olave there and London not, I attribute it to 100% OSU homerism.

Homerisim is a natural phenomenon. It is what it is and needs to be expected. At least most keep it fairly real

I doubt there is anyone who is a bigger OSU supporter than myself. I do believe that I have done a pretty good job of separating the NCAA from the NFL though. Maybe that's why I have a hard time grasping the concept of how you could be a hater of Mayfield because of the failed flag plant attempt. Once we draft a player I don't care where he comes from. I don't care about his college playing days. In Mayfield's case my main concern is that because of that and other incidents I felt he was immature. Some kids outgrow that and some kids can't. We've witnessed that before. Mayfield seems to have done a pretty good job at maturing so that concern is now in the rear view mirror for me.

I've never pimped us drafting an OSU QB. They have had players like the Bosa brothers that I pimped but I think that was justified. I think Garret Wilson is a top 5 WR. Not at the very top of my list but certainly worthy of being on the list. But Olave? Nah, I just don't see it.