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LOL highlights of a WR blowing dudes up in the run game is DEFINETELY what I want in a WR /sarcasm


4.5 at the combine
4.73 at his pro day!!

5 catches last season

I am so out on that, receivers who aren't athletes fall ESPECIALLY with this regime.

Edit: he did not run at his pro day, I had incorrect information.

This guy is a PRIME candidate for "clean up" surgery ala Montario Hardesty before week 1.

Not worth the risk in round 2.

sure bud, whatever that means

j/c...

From Bruce Feldman's article in The Athletic on the discussing the draft with scouts and coaches...

Which WR is the most boom-or-bust guy?

Scout 2: George Pickens. There’s a lot of upside, but he can’t get out of his own way. He’s been enabled his whole life.

WR Coach 3: Pickens. You love his game, but there’s some issues. Do you want to work with him? He’s a top-6 talent-wise, but it’s impossible not to add those other things. He has the size, has really good range. He positions his body on deep throws. He consistently beats press coverage. Has good start-stops with some AI (Allen Iverson) crossover in his game. A lot of the stuff in (Todd Monken’s) system translates to the NFL. But I wouldn’t touch him.

WR Coach 5 on Pickens: On tape, he is probably a top-5 wide receiver but there’s just so many red flags, and they’re big red flags. He’s got a lot of growing up to do. If he goes to the right place with a room full of veterans that help him go the right way, I think he’ll have a chance.”

That's fascinating information. Thanks for posting that.

I'd certainly be interested in knowing what these "red flags" are. But I haven't been able to find anything about them.

What these red flags are is extremely important. Being straight forward would be telling what these red flags actually are and explaining them. That's not what he did. He actually sidestepped the question.

You see, I agree that the interviews are important when you bring a kid in. I also understand people can put on a good front for short periods of time. That's why all of the background information on these players is so critical.

Ouch! He'll fit right in. Please don't put us in that position.
I like what comedian Maria Bamford said.
"Just stay away from red flags", "Oh Ok, but what if you're a Flag-factory, that only manufactures Huge Red Flags"

The Browns need a playmaker on the other side of the field from Cooper.
They have no one that can command a double team
Some of best ready day 1 WRs in recent memory come from the SEC.
Jaylen Waddle,Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, DK Metcalf , Mike Evans.
Pickens is a 1st RD talent.
The Browns need to stop drafting WRs that you hope will be ready in 3 years
They have made a habit of that since 99.

I disagree. Browns paid the dough for a QB and #1 receiver. You flood the other receiver positions with speed. Cherries on top are Chubb and Hunt.

Watson is experienced enough to make good receivers.

Berry must and I think he will make this defense so tough to play against.

I'm with you, defense all the way

But in my opinion Pickens is not the guy you speak of.
Simply, at 44 I'd target John Metchie III WR from Alabama and go with it.

I would not think a team would draft George Pickens if Jameson Williams Wr were still on the board,
I would not think a team would draft George Pickens if Garrett Wilson were still on the board,
blah blah if Treylon Burks wr Arkansas were still on the board,
same same not draft if Drake London wr USC were still on the board,
I would not think a team would draft George Pickens if Chris Olave Wr Ohio St. were still on the board.
I would not think a team would draft George Pickens if Jahan Dotson were still on the board
I would not think a team would draft George Pickens if John Metchie Wr Alabama were still on the board.
I would not think a team would draft George Pickens if Skyy Moore Wr central Michigan were still on the board,

I don't think a team should pass on the chance to get a Wr, at 44, however I'd target John Metchie III, Alabama Wr, to pick at 44,
and then move on to the next possible selection.
For everything you'd say above, I think Metchie is more of the Man you are seeking.
And No, I don't think George Pickens is round 1 talent, more like later rounds
I think all of those players mentioned are going to have a better time in the NFL than George Pickens. Who knows.

I don't buy the speed thing. Schwartz has speed, but he doesn't get open. People want the QB to get the ball out quickly. To do that you need receivers who can get open quickly.

I for one don't care if my receivers get caught from behind after catching the ball and running maybe another 10-15 yards.

I was going to say the same thing. What are the "red flags" that would make him untouchable by some?

Honest question... is this true? Watson has had to work with some not-so-great supporting cast, but his WR corps has always been pretty good.

In 2020, he had Brandon Cooks and Will Fuller. Good receivers? Yes. Top-tier receivers? No.

I don't think you need to invest in first or second round receivers to partner with Cooper.

Both are far-and-away better than anything we have here behind Amari.

I'm not sure why anyone would believe or think it's a good idea to spend 230 mil. on a QB and make DPJ one of his primary targets. That's not even close to what they did in Houston when he had great success on the field. I don't think it has to be what some might consider an elite WR, but it will need to be someone in the upper tier second level of WR's. That's something the Browns don't have.

DPJ can probably (hopefully) grow into a solid #2, but what we have behind him is nearly trash. Our WR corps really is just Amari Cooper and DPJ; everyone else is a gigantic "Huh??"

Not sure that the Browns are going to get alot help
In this draft
Seems like 7 teams are likely to draft wr in round 1
Round 2 there is 12 teams needing excellent wide receivers.
So if they draft 4 or 5 before us your looking at the 12th wide receiver.
Dt hall who is generally recognized as the 3rd defensive tackles off the board goes 20th
This would mean Winfrey would have to go undrafted for upwards
Of 20 picks.

I think the key word in your post is "hopefully". He is not there now and may never get there. That currently leaves a gaping hole and a question mark.

One could make an argument that Njoku softens the blow somewhat... but yeah.

I was just curious how people think it will shake out in terms of the pieces around him (our running game and Oline is like nothing DW has had to support him, but our receiver corps is the opposite). Is our run game and the protection he'll have enough to make up for the gigantic step back in pass-catching talent?

I think Watson can elevate those around him. The qb we are moving on from made our WRs worse. There are reasons why Watson was given such a huge contract and so many teams were interested in him even w/the court cases looming and why teams aren't dong all they can to obtain him. I know you are a big Baker fan and I appreciate that, but man, take a moment and really think about it.

I don't really disagree with you about other teams that need WR's. But just as with the Browns, that isn't their only need. In some of not many of those cases they could just as easily go in another direction. Just as we might. For 11 WR's to go before the Browns 44th pick, 25% of all the draft picks to that point would have to be WR's. I don't see that happening.

I was more curious about how Watson might feel about the differences between playing with Houston's roster vs ours. Does our offenses strengths (Oline and run game) make up for the step back in pass-catching talent?

Njoku probably definitely softens that a bit. If Felton or Schwartz can figure out how to be a slot WR, that would definitely improve things, but until we get someone in the slot that a defense has to pay attention to, we're going to be playing uphill, I think.


I do think Watson is going to be VERY appreciative of his new OLine and run game, and I think his scrambling ability is going to help the offense move often, but in order for him to "elevate" a receiver, the receiver still has to get open, and I'm not sure what we're gonna get in that regard from any current WR not named Amari.

I feel that having a good or bad OL has a greater influence on how a QB performs over any other factor. If we bring back Landry or draft a guy like Skye Moore, our WRs will be fine. I don't think as highly about Fuller as some of you guys do. We have a head coach that is very good at scheming. I think the Shannahan/Kubiak system is the best in football.

Don't want to derail this thread too much, so back to Pickens. I really can't evaluate him because even though I watched UGA a lot, I never really noticed Pickens. I can't really add a lot. I do remember thinking their WRs were athletic looking, but I didn't find them all that impressive. Of course, maybe Pickens wasn't even playing in those games.

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I could see 7 as a far more realistic number. I have no idea which direction the Browns will go with their second round pick. If an actual deal with Clowney is in place that may too influence such a decision. As with most teams the Browns have more than one need as things stand at this point in time.

Pickens would be a great target for Watson. He's a big play WR and deep threat. I hope he is still on the board at 44 and we take him.