Amazing ! And possibly available at the top of the 2nd round. Highlight reels are sometimes a little deceiving - but no denying his hands, both catching and using them to free himself at the line - his athleticism and his seeming love of the game/competition.
Be interesting to see some breakdown when he was going up against some of the top CB's he faced. But - yes, he looks like a prospect alright! LOL
The more things change the more they stay the same.
Yeah - the two or 3 run blocks where he sat his opposite number on their ass was fun to see. No idea if he can do that in the NFL but great to see. Thanks for posting.
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The more things change the more they stay the same.
Highlights videos are what they are, but one thing I noticed is how the cutup wasn't just a bunch of homerun plays. Lots and lots of short-medium routes and success on those. IMO, we should be able to find room for that on this team.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
He might be a good buy low option after missing most of last season after the spring injury. The talent looks like it's there, but there also appear to be some "character"/prima donna/shenanigans questions to sort through. Spraying opposing players with water bottles on the sideline during play (as seen at the end of the highlights) isn't a great look. The current regime seems to have focused more on guys who are about the work and have avoided/parted ways with the "look at me!" types. Interviews will most likely determine if he's on our board.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
... but there also appear to be some "character"/prima donna/shenanigans questions to sort through. Spraying opposing players with water bottles on the sideline during play (as seen at the end of the highlights) isn't a great look.
The waterbottle spray was a terrible look, but I see all the shenanigans in the video in the same way I see Landry doing same/similar during games.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I nearly went deeper into the antics - instead I left it at the comment that he clearly loves to play and compete .... What I thought about writing - and what I think on Pickens - it comes down to his interview and how you view him mentally. Is he a hot head that will cost you penalties with his over exuberance ... or is he just like Bone said, gritty and feisty but in control?
I hate prima donnas ... but I don't leap to the automatic conclusion that this is what Pickens is or would become. 2 cents.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
... but there also appear to be some "character"/prima donna/shenanigans questions to sort through. Spraying opposing players with water bottles on the sideline during play (as seen at the end of the highlights) isn't a great look.
The waterbottle spray was a terrible look, but I see all the shenanigans in the video in the same way I see Landry doing same/similar during games.
Will definitely be an is the "Juice" worth the squeeze type of off-season it seems.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
How about we meet in the middle and compromise on something that makes a little more sense? It was a foolish thing to do but if it's an isolated incident and his interviews go well we won't consider it a pattern of bad behavior. Does that sound fair?
Or should we pretend that this is normal and keep making excuses for bad behavior?
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Well, at least in the highlights, he fights like hell to make the catches. But what I didn't see a lot of was separation. Yet, he looks like he might make a great possession receiver.
And to add a somewhat different thought to this discussion. We have to be honest about the type of receiver we use and how we use them. I am not sure having a top receiver is going to pay dividends the way some want. We saw a marked difference between the OBJ here and the OBJ elsewhere.
I am not saying what we do is wrong. I am simply saying what we do might not be geared towards the wide receiver position. We are more of a running back and tight end geared O. Unless that changes, I don't think a 'thoroughbred" receiver is ever going to look like one. Secretariat would have been a miserable quarter horse.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Yeah I didn't like some of his actions especially the last part where he is making an action like he was peeing on his opponent using the water bottle...but after a while I remembered how I forgave Baker in some of his actions in the heat of competition and If I could forgive him I forgive this kid. 2nd round is a good investment if we go D in the first round.
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That's why I brought up Jarvis Landry. Relatively speaking, he's an old man, and he still pushes the line in games. There's a line between being a dummy and keeping that internal fire under control. I'm fine working with the latter, and I honestly think our team could even use more of that fire (yes, at the risk of picking up some extra penalties).
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
The water thing is bad behavior. It will pass. College days. Mixon with the Bengals punched a women in the face. Causing serious damage.
The water thing is pretty mild by comparison to some of the stuff that happens.
I am going by what I see as far as talent. He has talent. Some of those catches were off the chain.
If we go pass rusher at 13. He is in play in the second.
For some guys, it passes. For others, it doesn't. (See Josh Gordon, Manziel, etc.) I'm not saying he'll be one or the other, but it's something we should vet. If it checks out, and he's otherwise a fit for the program and culture, great.
Chubb and LeCounte probably have some insight.
After the OBJ experience, I've just decided that talent isn't the only thing that matters when it comes to WRs. So, my concerns might be more a reflection of that mess than Pickens in particular.
Gotta be the right fit is all.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
I wish the Browns would sign a 33+ year old Golden Tate and hope he is Uninjured enough, and healthy enough, and youthful enough to be a real difference maker. But it's just wishful thinking.
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If we are targeting a WR in the draft there are 3 outstanding WR's that might be available top of round 2 ... Skyy Moore, Pickens and Christian Watson. . . . ESPN just did a piece claiming Moore might be the single most under rated player in the draft. Picken looks every bit a first round talent and Watson is a Drake London type that went to a small school
The more things change the more they stay the same.
The type of guys that in their first year will have an impact and contribute to a team.
I would be happy to have any of those guys.
Pick 44 I expect we will get a damn good player. I am waiting for the dominoes to fall in free agency.
If Jarvis is looking for $20. He will not get that from the Browns unless it is for two years.
Clowney is looking for as much as he can get. I don't hold that against him. However, his market will be defined. He nows Cleveland. He benefitted by having Myles on the other side. He had a good solid year and seemed to get along inside the team.
I like our chances signing him.
If that goes down and we don't sign another free agent receiver. Pickens, Moore, and Watson are all in play.
I like Skyy Moore as a slot receiver if he is available. I think he is a little faster than his scouting report claims, but what I really love about him is his toughness in traffic and the strength he has in his hands.
Without 1st rounders for the next 3 years, it is paramount we hit on our 2nd and 3rd rounders. The 1st round pick is almost a gimme pick unless a team is forced to reach for some reason of need. At least to me 2nd and 3r rounders usually turn in to good players because teams tend to go brick and mortar type players and tend to use BPA as the basis of those picks.
I hope we don't start to use the typical the 1st round template with those picks the next few years and don't reach for some need. I am not saying some of the guys you mentioned wouldn't possibly fit the BPA mold. I am just saying that it is very important we bring in solid players because roster attrition is going to continue, and you don't always know where on the roster it is going to hit in a year or two.
You can control free agency to a large degree. You can't control which players in the draft are going to come your way. It is what it is once you are on the clock.
Thus far the Browns seem to be pretty good at slotting players. Both in free agent value and college player slotting. I hope that continues and we have a good idea who might be available in what round and we stay somewhat trusting in our scouting process and make our picks in accordance with that scouting and evaluation. If not, why even bother?
Just me speaking, but I would be looking for players with a higher floor over guys with a higher ceiling. No doubt we need to balance that some, but getting solid players is very important so in a few years we don't end up with needs all over the team.
To go with your WR thought, 2 receivers I really like are Skyy Moore and Wandale Robinson.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
This is where I trust Berry. You can not expect to hit on every pick, but Berry seems to apply good logic in his choices.
Because of cap balancing in the future it becomes imperitive to find guys who can replace players you can no longer afford.
I think Ward is a terrific corner. Drafting Newsome was so important. Finding another corner could become important because Ward may not be affordable.
JC...I like Pickens a lot as well, not just the UGA connection...But he reminds me a lot of AJ Green.
One very late sleeper I like is SMU WR Reggie Roberson...he will go late in the draft, as he's rather old (24) has injury concerns (still recovering) and tested rather poor (only a 29 inch vert...ouch) But his tape really pops out to you, and on tape he looked like a 4.35 guy prior to his knee injury.
Some recent mock drafts have Pickens going to the Browns.
IMO it would be a steal. A lot will depend on how the Browns address the DL in free agency. Or, if we resign Jarvis. Now there is speculation on Brandon Cooks and Will Fuller.
So, before the draft maybe there are still answers in trades or free agency.
I am not worried there will a good player available at #44. There are a bunch of guys I would be happy with:
Well its a deep draft for WR I'm thinking team wise it probably would end up better for us to take a WR in the 3rd round as we do not have a first round pick I think it would be best for the team to get the BPA for the defense at #44. The dynamic of this draft has changed because of our trade. If we do go WR Id rather we get a replacement for Landry - somebody that would be a reliable possession WR:
Dotson being the first but of course if there is a big run he will be gone probably Pickens as well.
The most available would probably be Metchie, Skye Moore or Austin realistically those 3 will be our best options one of the 3 actually might be there for the taking in the 3rd round. People forget Ski's Offense covets using 2 TE sometimes all 3. I think we can probably end up getting the first or second TE in the draft as opposed to getting the 8-10th WR. Top TE I think would be more worthwhile to our team then a 2nd round WR. Cooper and DPJ are a solid X, Z WR I think we will go for the "Y"
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From Bruce Feldman's article in The Athletic on the discussing the draft with scouts and coaches...
Which WR is the most boom-or-bust guy?
Scout 2: George Pickens. There’s a lot of upside, but he can’t get out of his own way. He’s been enabled his whole life.
WR Coach 3: Pickens. You love his game, but there’s some issues. Do you want to work with him? He’s a top-6 talent-wise, but it’s impossible not to add those other things. He has the size, has really good range. He positions his body on deep throws. He consistently beats press coverage. Has good start-stops with some AI (Allen Iverson) crossover in his game. A lot of the stuff in (Todd Monken’s) system translates to the NFL. But I wouldn’t touch him.
WR Coach 5 on Pickens: On tape, he is probably a top-5 wide receiver but there’s just so many red flags, and they’re big red flags. He’s got a lot of growing up to do. If he goes to the right place with a room full of veterans that help him go the right way, I think he’ll have a chance.”
From Bruce Feldman's article in The Athletic on the discussing the draft with scouts and coaches...
Which WR is the most boom-or-bust guy?
Scout 2: George Pickens. There’s a lot of upside, but he can’t get out of his own way. He’s been enabled his whole life.
WR Coach 3: Pickens. You love his game, but there’s some issues. Do you want to work with him? He’s a top-6 talent-wise, but it’s impossible not to add those other things. He has the size, has really good range. He positions his body on deep throws. He consistently beats press coverage. Has good start-stops with some AI (Allen Iverson) crossover in his game. A lot of the stuff in (Todd Monken’s) system translates to the NFL. But I wouldn’t touch him.
WR Coach 5 on Pickens: On tape, he is probably a top-5 wide receiver but there’s just so many red flags, and they’re big red flags. He’s got a lot of growing up to do. If he goes to the right place with a room full of veterans that help him go the right way, I think he’ll have a chance.”
That's fascinating information. Thanks for posting that.
If it were me as GM. I would bring the guy in. I would need to sit across from him and talk.
I thought because of his Spring ACL injury and missing most of this season that was why he was considered a early second rounder.
I see a first round talent. Maybe there are other problems?
I hear Keyvon Thibideaux takes off plays etc. Maybe he has other interests outside of football etc. I can only go by game film. I don't comment on things I can not verfify first hand.
When I watch the guys game film. I see elite movement skill. The type that could be worthy of the first pick in the draft.
I just saw him on tv in a round table discussion. He was asked directly about what was being said. He was straight forward in saying he can not control what people who don't know him say. Those inside his circle know who he is and that is what is important to him. He comes off as a high intelligence guy.
I would love to see him in a orange helmet. That will not come true.
What these red flags are is extremely important. Being straight forward would be telling what these red flags actually are and explaining them. That's not what he did. He actually sidestepped the question.
You see, I agree that the interviews are important when you bring a kid in. I also understand people can put on a good front for short periods of time. That's why all of the background information on these players is so critical.
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From Bruce Feldman's article in The Athletic on the discussing the draft with scouts and coaches...
Which WR is the most boom-or-bust guy?
Scout 2: George Pickens. There’s a lot of upside, but he can’t get out of his own way. He’s been enabled his whole life.
WR Coach 3: Pickens. You love his game, but there’s some issues. Do you want to work with him? He’s a top-6 talent-wise, but it’s impossible not to add those other things. He has the size, has really good range. He positions his body on deep throws. He consistently beats press coverage. Has good start-stops with some AI (Allen Iverson) crossover in his game. A lot of the stuff in (Todd Monken’s) system translates to the NFL. But I wouldn’t touch him.
WR Coach 5 on Pickens: On tape, he is probably a top-5 wide receiver but there’s just so many red flags, and they’re big red flags. He’s got a lot of growing up to do. If he goes to the right place with a room full of veterans that help him go the right way, I think he’ll have a chance.”
I am always skeptical of anonymous shade less than a week before the Draft.
Scout 2: George Pickens. There’s a lot of upside, but he can’t get out of his own way. He’s been enabled his whole life.
Ouch! He'll fit right in. Please don't put us in that position. I like what comedian Maria Bamford said. "Just stay away from red flags", "Oh Ok, but what if you're a Flag-factory, that only manufactures Huge Red Flags"
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The Browns need a playmaker on the other side of the field from Cooper. They have no one that can command a double team Some of best ready day 1 WRs in recent memory come from the SEC. Jaylen Waddle,Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, DK Metcalf , Mike Evans. Pickens is a 1st RD talent. The Browns need to stop drafting WRs that you hope will be ready in 3 years They have made a habit of that since 99.
The Browns need a playmaker on the other side of the field from Cooper. They have no one that can command a double team Some of best ready day 1 WRs in recent memory come from the SEC. Jaylen Waddle,Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, DK Metcalf , Mike Evans. Pickens is a 1st RD talent. The Browns need to stop drafting WRs that you hope will be ready in 3 years They have made a habit of that since 99.
I disagree. Browns paid the dough for a QB and #1 receiver. You flood the other receiver positions with speed. Cherries on top are Chubb and Hunt.
Watson is experienced enough to make good receivers.
Berry must and I think he will make this defense so tough to play against.
The Browns need a playmaker on the other side of the field from Cooper. They have no one that can command a double team Some of best ready day 1 WRs in recent memory come from the SEC. Jaylen Waddle,Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, DK Metcalf , Mike Evans. [Pickens is a 1st RD talent. The Browns need to stop drafting WRs that you hope will be ready in 3 years They have made a habit of that since 99.
But in my opinion Pickens is not the guy you speak of. Simply, at 44 I'd target John Metchie III WR from Alabama and go with it.
I would not think a team would draft George Pickens if Jameson Williams Wr were still on the board, I would not think a team would draft George Pickens if Garrett Wilson were still on the board, blah blah if Treylon Burks wr Arkansas were still on the board, same same not draft if Drake London wr USC were still on the board, I would not think a team would draft George Pickens if Chris Olave Wr Ohio St. were still on the board. I would not think a team would draft George Pickens if Jahan Dotson were still on the board I would not think a team would draft George Pickens if John Metchie Wr Alabama were still on the board. I would not think a team would draft George Pickens if Skyy Moore Wr central Michigan were still on the board,
I don't think a team should pass on the chance to get a Wr, at 44, however I'd target John Metchie III, Alabama Wr, to pick at 44, and then move on to the next possible selection. For everything you'd say above, I think Metchie is more of the Man you are seeking. And No, I don't think George Pickens is round 1 talent, more like later rounds I think all of those players mentioned are going to have a better time in the NFL than George Pickens. Who knows.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
The Browns need a playmaker on the other side of the field from Cooper. They have no one that can command a double team Some of best ready day 1 WRs in recent memory come from the SEC. Jaylen Waddle,Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, DK Metcalf , Mike Evans. Pickens is a 1st RD talent. The Browns need to stop drafting WRs that you hope will be ready in 3 years They have made a habit of that since 99.
I disagree. Browns paid the dough for a QB and #1 receiver. You flood the other receiver positions with speed. Cherries on top are Chubb and Hunt.
Watson is experienced enough to make good receivers.
Berry must and I think he will make this defense so tough to play against.
I don't buy the speed thing. Schwartz has speed, but he doesn't get open. People want the QB to get the ball out quickly. To do that you need receivers who can get open quickly.
I for one don't care if my receivers get caught from behind after catching the ball and running maybe another 10-15 yards.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Watson is experienced enough to make good receivers.
Honest question... is this true? Watson has had to work with some not-so-great supporting cast, but his WR corps has always been pretty good.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I'm not sure why anyone would believe or think it's a good idea to spend 230 mil. on a QB and make DPJ one of his primary targets. That's not even close to what they did in Houston when he had great success on the field. I don't think it has to be what some might consider an elite WR, but it will need to be someone in the upper tier second level of WR's. That's something the Browns don't have.
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DPJ can probably (hopefully) grow into a solid #2, but what we have behind him is nearly trash. Our WR corps really is just Amari Cooper and DPJ; everyone else is a gigantic "Huh??"
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
Not sure that the Browns are going to get alot help In this draft Seems like 7 teams are likely to draft wr in round 1 Round 2 there is 12 teams needing excellent wide receivers. So if they draft 4 or 5 before us your looking at the 12th wide receiver. Dt hall who is generally recognized as the 3rd defensive tackles off the board goes 20th This would mean Winfrey would have to go undrafted for upwards Of 20 picks.
I think the key word in your post is "hopefully". He is not there now and may never get there. That currently leaves a gaping hole and a question mark.
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One could make an argument that Njoku softens the blow somewhat... but yeah.
I was just curious how people think it will shake out in terms of the pieces around him (our running game and Oline is like nothing DW has had to support him, but our receiver corps is the opposite). Is our run game and the protection he'll have enough to make up for the gigantic step back in pass-catching talent?
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Watson is experienced enough to make good receivers.
Honest question... is this true? Watson has had to work with some not-so-great supporting cast, but his WR corps has always been pretty good.
I think Watson can elevate those around him. The qb we are moving on from made our WRs worse. There are reasons why Watson was given such a huge contract and so many teams were interested in him even w/the court cases looming and why teams aren't dong all they can to obtain him. I know you are a big Baker fan and I appreciate that, but man, take a moment and really think about it.
I don't really disagree with you about other teams that need WR's. But just as with the Browns, that isn't their only need. In some of not many of those cases they could just as easily go in another direction. Just as we might. For 11 WR's to go before the Browns 44th pick, 25% of all the draft picks to that point would have to be WR's. I don't see that happening.
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I was more curious about how Watson might feel about the differences between playing with Houston's roster vs ours. Does our offenses strengths (Oline and run game) make up for the step back in pass-catching talent?
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Njoku probably definitely softens that a bit. If Felton or Schwartz can figure out how to be a slot WR, that would definitely improve things, but until we get someone in the slot that a defense has to pay attention to, we're going to be playing uphill, I think.
I do think Watson is going to be VERY appreciative of his new OLine and run game, and I think his scrambling ability is going to help the offense move often, but in order for him to "elevate" a receiver, the receiver still has to get open, and I'm not sure what we're gonna get in that regard from any current WR not named Amari.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
I feel that having a good or bad OL has a greater influence on how a QB performs over any other factor. If we bring back Landry or draft a guy like Skye Moore, our WRs will be fine. I don't think as highly about Fuller as some of you guys do. We have a head coach that is very good at scheming. I think the Shannahan/Kubiak system is the best in football.
Don't want to derail this thread too much, so back to Pickens. I really can't evaluate him because even though I watched UGA a lot, I never really noticed Pickens. I can't really add a lot. I do remember thinking their WRs were athletic looking, but I didn't find them all that impressive. Of course, maybe Pickens wasn't even playing in those games.
I don't really disagree with you about other teams that need WR's. But just as with the Browns, that isn't their only need. In some of not many of those cases they could just as easily go in another direction. Just as we might. For 11 WR's to go before the Browns 44th pick, 25% of all the draft picks to that point would have to be WR's. I don't see that happening.
I could see 7 - 8 WRs' coming off the board by our selection.
I could see 7 as a far more realistic number. I have no idea which direction the Browns will go with their second round pick. If an actual deal with Clowney is in place that may too influence such a decision. As with most teams the Browns have more than one need as things stand at this point in time.
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DPJ can probably (hopefully) grow into a solid #2, but what we have behind him is nearly trash. Our WR corps really is just Amari Cooper and DPJ; everyone else is a gigantic "Huh??"
I’d expect we sign a few one year deals to help boost the wide receiver depth.
I could see 7 as a far more realistic number. I have no idea which direction the Browns will go with their second round pick. If an actual deal with Clowney is in place that may too influence such a decision. As with most teams the Browns have more than one need as things stand at this point in time.
I don't think [if] having Clowney will influence our board @44 ... we need better stability (getting younger and cheaper) at the DE opposite MG going forward.
DPJ can probably (hopefully) grow into a solid #2, but what we have behind him is nearly trash. Our WR corps really is just Amari Cooper and DPJ; everyone else is a gigantic "Huh??"
I’d expect we sign a few one year deals to help boost the wide receiver depth.
No doubt! ... we will probably be watching the waiver wires come September too.
I don't think [if] having Clowney will influence our board @44 ... we need better stability (getting younger and cheaper) at the DE opposite MG going forward.
I can see that as a possibility. My thinking is more along the lines that if you have Clowney on a two year deal, spending your highest pick on a player you will actually "need" three years from now may be a less likely scenario. A developmental player in round 3 or a little later would make more sense to me in that scenario. Certainly if someone they don't expect to be there falls that scenario becomes more likely.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I don't think [if] having Clowney will influence our board @44 ... we need better stability (getting younger and cheaper) at the DE opposite MG going forward.
I can see that as a possibility. My thinking is more along the lines that if you have Clowney on a two year deal, spending your highest pick on a player you will actually "need" three years from now may be a less likely scenario. A developmental player in round 3 or a little later would make more sense to me in that scenario. Certainly if someone they don't expect to be there falls that scenario becomes more likely.
I guess that all depends on who is available too ... [if] Burks is sitting there like some think that he might, and [if] he is higher on our board, then yes, I could see that scenario.
Hmmmm.......I thought Burks was slotted to go in the late first or very early second?
Yes, so was JOK last year ... Burks, Wyatt, Karlaftis are all three being rumored to perhaps falling out of the first round, but for not all the same reasons ... Burks has even fallen down to #46 on the pff big boad.
Hmmmm.......I thought Burks was slotted to go in the late first or very early second?
Yes, so was JOK last year ... Burks, Wyatt, Karlaftis are all three being rumored to perhaps falling out of the first round, but for not all the same reasons ... Burks has even fallen down to #46 on the pff big boad.
Karlaftis is definitely in contention for our pick if he falls. People were mocking him to us in the first before the Watson trade.
Hmmmm.......I thought Burks was slotted to go in the late first or very early second?
Yes, so was JOK last year ... Burks, Wyatt, Karlaftis are all three being rumored to perhaps falling out of the first round, but for not all the same reasons ... Burks has even fallen down to #46 on the pff big boad.
Karlaftis is definitely in contention for our pick if he falls. People were mocking him to us in the first before the Watson trade.
Interestingly enought mockables has Karlaftis and "my guy" Josh Paschal as the closes comp% ... albeit even if they are not the same players, I thought that was interesting, although I would be happy to add either or.
Actually saying Burks has a late first or early second round projection places him very close to our pick to begin with. The tenth pick in the second round is in the top one third of round 2. I don't think he will last that long but if someone is citing that as the projection, we are certainly in the conversation.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Hmmmm.......I thought Burks was slotted to go in the late first or very early second?
Yes, so was JOK last year ... Burks, Wyatt, Karlaftis are all three being rumored to perhaps falling out of the first round, but for not all the same reasons ... Burks has even fallen down to #46 on the pff big boad.
In Dane Brugler's final mock he has GB taking Burks at #22 and AZ taking Karlaftis at #23, though it's absurdly hard to get picks right that far down in the draft.
One of my favorites in this year's draft. Fair warning on a long story, but I love this kid. Mentality of a bull in all sports, man among boys his whole life (much like Myles) athletically. Not blazing speed... you're not catching him after a Nick Chubb-esque stiff-arm anyway. Intimidates the defender with physicality and plays with strong hands -- attacking the catch. Sorry, rambling, enjoy... Great story.
Burks was all the rage before the combine... he was top 3 WR off the board on most mocks. Then he ran a slower than anticipated 40 time and dropped some. I expect one of the GM's to land him in the 20's in the first round - game tape and ability in games trumps combine imo.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
I think 6 WR WI defo go in the first round. I think 7 is possible if Pickens goes too.
But I don't see Berry trading up unless somehow it's part of a Baker trade. If anything I'd think a move down a few spots is more likely. Jmo. Think they'd really have to covet a guy to move up.
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The more things change the more they stay the same.
Burks was all the rage before the combine... he was top 3 WR off the board on most mocks. Then he ran a slower than anticipated 40 time and dropped some. I expect one of the GM's to land him in the 20's in the first round - game tape and ability in games trumps combine imo.
He might be getting knocked a little for not meeting some expectations at the combine, but he wasn't really used as a WR in a way that translates to the next level ... his playes where more of a manufactured, gimmick variety, so he is raw in that respect and projects as a big slot.
He has that running back receiver thing going on. He is not the polished route runner like some of the others.
Pickens is a realistic guy because he could be there. I can not speak to "off field." He only played in four games last season.
I have no doubt about his ability. He can do everything you want a receiver to do. Lowest drop rate. Good route runner. Gets separation. Wins contested catches. Has body control to adjust to the ball in the air. He can break physical jam press coverage. Aggressive blocker.
Dane Bruglar mentioned his competiveness. It is obvious on the tape. He wants that ball. He likes to block. I pay attention to that.
He probably has done some stuff that is not to cool. He plays with an edge.
He may turn some teams off. I don't about any of that. He maybe trouble. But he can play.
Seeing lots of negative press recently about PICKENS, indicating he was unimpressive in his interviews with NFL teams at the Combine, Pro Days and team visits. Too much of a “me guy” for some tastes.
Burks was all the rage before the combine... he was top 3 WR off the board on most mocks. Then he ran a slower than anticipated 40 time and dropped some. I expect one of the GM's to land him in the 20's in the first round - game tape and ability in games trumps combine imo.
He might be getting knocked a little for not meeting some expectations at the combine, but he wasn't really used as a WR in a way that translates to the next level ... his playes where more of a manufactured, gimmick variety, so he is raw in that respect and projects as a big slot.
Treylon Burks WR Arkansas is not a gimmick player. He is a prototypical Wr, a long ball deep threat with over 16. yards per catch average, with a ton of upside. If Burks were on the board at #44 and the Browns select him it would be outstanding! If the Browns trade up and select Treylon Burks it would also be outstanding!
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
Now that it’s plausible he’s available, I’m good with taking him. Or Moore. Maybe Watson as well.
Outside of those 3, I’d go with defense
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Fell well out of the first round as expected. I mean I don't care how talented you are perceived to be, you don't go from 5 receptions to first round pick.
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But it's just wishful thinking.
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