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I'll take running with Baker - or any other QB in the NFL, or a rookie - rather than be forced to try and root for a sexual predator. That'd be a death nail for as long as he was on the team.

Our first should be offered for Metcalf and our third should be offered for Lockett.

Eh. I'd offer a 2nd claiming we'd have to sign him to an healthy extension.

Tyler, maybe a 4th with a production incentive to a third. He'll be 30 as the season starts.

Clearly, I'm spitballing. But I don't know if I'd be willing to give up a first for DK. He's a beast, for sure. Just seemed to be inconsistent w/ a really good QB.

He doesn’t turn 25 until December. I’d probably give up more than our first for him. He’s more of a sure thing than anything we’ll get in the draft.

Wow. I didn't know he was only 24 at the moment. No doubt, he definitely has proved value, so ok, a first rounder seems somewhat reasonable but no sure I'd go more than that. He still has been inconsistent, IMO.

Image a world where you could have your choice of Marquise Brown, Deebo Samuel, A.J. Brown, D.K. Metcalf, Diontae Johnson or Terry McLaurin... by just NOT trading your 1st round pick for Odell Beckham.

"King John, baby. Let's Goooooooooooooo!"

Good ole Buddy Boy.

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Not counting QB, here are the main offensive weapons for SEA as of now:

RB- Carson
WR- Lockett
WR- Metcalf
TE- Fant

Fant is the interesting part in this whole trade, IMO. In a prior post, I suggested that SEA might embark on a rebuild, and that might still be the case. But adding Fant to a relatively good offensive receiver group might indicate Seattle is actively looking to a vet QB with this group to plug n play. And, coupled with the draft haul they just received, might be in a good position to fill other holes.

We'll see.

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The Seahawks are officially one of the dumb teams.

I think a bunch of people keep forgetting that Wilson could veto any trade to a place he didn't like.

I will qualify my statement.

If the Seahawks had permission to trade Wilson to WFT and didn’t because they are in the same conference then they are one of the dumb teams.

I'm disappointed in the Rodgers deal. I was counting on Rodgers drama to keep me entertained until the draft.

Favre could still un-retire with the paychecks being thrown around.

The exact type of player we need but have no chance of getting.

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Slow poke

Again, now would be a good time to get DK Metcalf.

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Wait until after the draft when the market shrinks and the bidding war dies down. Second round pick offer or opt out.

Metcalf will need extended which will require a big dollar commitment and we do not even have a franchise QB. Why commit big dollars and draft capital w/o a QB in place?

Given our rebuilding situation on offense, I'd build WR through the draft. Sign a guy like Cedrick Wilson in FA.

* The Browns are no longer a true Super Bowl contender.

I’d commit all the money to guys around the QB so that when the QB becomes available or needs to be drafted he is inserted into a great situation.

Generally teams want to make the trade before the draft because they want to have the pick in hand as soon as possible. If Metcalf is made available someone will trade for him quickly. I hope it is us.

This is what you do when you are bringing on a rookie QB and trying to promote an environment in which to have early success. Instead, we have the the #1 overall QB that is expected to lift the guys around him, but cannot. The Browns would be presumably giving up future assets and building around a QB that will unlikely be here next year on a team that is a non-contender.

What is the upside given the dollars involved, draft capital and strength of WR class in '22?

The upside is when you get the QB you don’t need anything. You hit the ground running. In the meantime Baker is given everything he needs to succeed, so if he doesn’t you know for sure he’s not the guy.

I am not concerned about the depth of the receiver class. Every receiver class is deep at this point. Colleges are pumping receivers out every year that are Uber talented.

I weep, acknowledging we lack the elite franchise QB this franchise has never had. Almost-rans.

I was looking forward to come home from home tonight and read the comments about this trade.

My initial thoughts when I saw the trade and thinking if that trade was to us, was hell no that is too much to give up. I'm still leaning to that side as we don't have any WRs and need some DL starters. Obviously, that is without going through cap details and how much we would have left to spend on areas.

I was interested in seeing how everyone's posts would change my mind in all the picks that were given up.

I know Wilson didn't want to come here, so this whole scenario is out (and i'm fine with that). I tend to side on the pick hoarder and using them as bargaining chips, flexability, and etc. I guess that's probably noticeable from previous posts.

Anyways, if this trade was for us. I think I would've offered a third 1st rounder and added DK to the trade, maybe even Lockett. Without Lockett, I would've pulled back a 2nd rounder. This way Wilson still has his familiar weapons and the WR room has at least some talent. I'm sure we would have to pull some some FAs that are looking to have a 1 year bounce back.

As for Denver, I think it was a good trade for them. They have some WR weapons already in place

It’s so frustrating that I’ve (I’m sure I’m speaking for almost all of us) become numb with the position.

Bleh, doubt that does anything to help us re-sign Clowney at a reasonable cost.

This class is deeper than most. If all that many receivers come out who are all that good, why is there a problem getting one?

All player evaluation guys have their strengths. So with strengths come some sort of weakness so to speak. My feeling is that for whatever reason we seem to be fairly weak in evaluating wide receivers and defensive tackles. Maybe we need to tweak the WR and DT evaluators.

DT's are always pretty rare. Maybe we need to quit trying to find one in the mid rounds. With this years receiver class, we should be able to find good ones in to the 3rd round. If not, we defiantly have a problem finding good ones or we have a problem with the coaching staff and have a problem in either teaching them or using them properly.

I would wish that all this garbage talk about replacing Mayfield would quit. This is the same guy that fans wanted to have a parade for when he led a piss ant franchise to the playoffs after 2 plus decades rolling in [censored] year after year. The same guy that quarterbacked a franchise coming off a 1-31 two year campaign to lead the team to a 11 win season by his 3rd season. That same team that took 4-years (2014-2017) to win 11 games before he got there. Mayfield's reward for turning around the franchise after a failing 2021 - pleads to replace him at any cost - even suggesting a Trubisky as a replacement - no #1 WR for the last 2-years - played through an injury filled season only to be questioned about his skill set - both RB's missing time - OL decimated - and a WR group who accepts no blame yet it's #2 WR makes season ending comments that he was playing hurt without telling the team. A WR group that didn't have a single player PFF rated higher than 73rd in the league - but it was all Mayfield's fault.

All of this and the Browns have a coach that refuses to play to the skill set of his WR's - or his TE's - or more importantly his QB, yet Mayfield is still there ready to lead his team in 2022. The Browns fans don't deserve a winner. They will never be satisfied or accept valid excuses. Being a top 5 QB in 2020 with a playoff appearance and the first 2 games before injury in 2021 is not good enough. If you're a Browns QB you must win no matter what the circumstances. But hey, let's trade away the Browns future to get a Wilson who will also be put on the "Browns One Way Out of Town" train if they don't win. That's what Browns fans do - in almost 30-years, I haven't seen a QB yet that the fans have supported for more than a few games.

For the most part, Berry has done a great job. I'm not on board with all of his moves but no one is 100% right all the time. I waiting to see how he addresses the team this year. Is he going to get Mayfield the weapons he's been lacking the last 2-years? Is this the year Berry plugs the holes in the defense so the team can close out games the way they should? Are the Browns going to finally play to win instead of playing not to lose? IMHO, Stefanski and Berry are in a prove it year as much as Mayfield, maybe more so. Will Berry put his QB in the best situation to win? The moves that happen over the next couple of months will tell if the Browns are going to put their QB in the best possible situation to win or not. The ball is now in Berry's court..................................

I'm on board with all of that ,

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