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I like Teller. The 2 problems I have are he is in his last year and he is at the point in his career where he doesn't practice during the season.

You might be right. Maybe Harris will be OK.

The question was asked if it is possible we go lineman and Linderbaum's name was brought up. I see Treeter at the end of his run in Cleveland and probably the NFL soon enough. Fine, maybe we don't go for a lineman in round 1. I agree it is a good bet we don't, but don't try to justify not taking Linderbaum because we have Harris.

The justification is no one has drafted a center that high since 1993.

IMO, Tretter isn't the odd man out if we draft this Linderbaum guy. It's Harris. He was built for this offense, and he's had a couple years to get everything in.

If we're confident in Harris, there's no chance that we take this Linderbaum. If we find Harris questionable at this point, then we very well may find ourselves with a new center. Either way, absolutely nothing would happen with Tretter before then, and even if we aren't enamored with Harris, unless we address WR sufficiently in free agency to where it isn't a dire need, there is little chance we'd drop our 1st on a Center. As much as I want us to take a Right Tackle, the same applies for it.

DLine and Wide Receivers are the priority until they're not, or until there are no more options available to help us this year.

I think you're arguing with yourself here. Of course it seems Dorsey thought he was a bust. Yet you said he should be a starter in year 2. I gave you factual evidence he did start 7 games in his second year. He has started every game since. So no matter what anyone thought, he has proven not to be a bust in the NFL.

Hammer.... Sure you can decide who you think is a bust in less than three years. But after seeing the fact that Corbett has started 40 games in a row since just past half way in his second season I would hope you see the flaw in that.

I think we pretty much agree here. I find the odds of going OL in the first very slim but not impossible. My reasoning as to why I think it's slim is the evidence of how I've seen Berrry attack the draft thus far. When he has seen a unit that needs heavy attention, he has tended to focus on building that unit through FA's and the draft in the same year. When you look at how he attacked the secondary in both the draft and FA. Then then have Wills and Conklin in the same year. It just seems he focuses on the department in terms of the most need.

As many resources that have been invested in the OL in terms of FA and the draft, I just don't believe the odds of investing heavily in that department again with a first round puck this year is likely. I have often believed that looking at what needs have been addressed in FA is a way to see what you probably won't see invested heavily invested in during the draft. But when looking at Berry's track record, it seems he will very much double and even triple down when rebuilding a unit.

I'm not sure that with such a WR heavy draft in terms of talent that I wouldn't wait until round 2 to address the WR position this year. I think there will still be a ton of talent on the board at that pick and the return on your investment may be better seen by doing that. But if Berry's history to date is any indication, he will hit the WR hard and early. If not I believe he may see DT or DE a more pressing immediate unit to address at the time if value can be found at those positions.

It will certainly be interesting.

Tab, 99 times out of 100 I am agreeing with what you are saying. There are two players in this draft Tyler Lenderbaum and Kyle Hamilton who are the exception. These are first-pick-in-the-draft quality guys if it wasn't for the position. It is why Aaron Donald wasn't taken first. I get it.

At thirteen, IMO, you have to give these two serious thoughts. It will be interesting to see what Andrew Berry does if one of the receivers are availabe along with Lenderbaum and Hamilton.

I think Penning goes mid to late 1st round, Tab.

Yeah, most mocks I've seen have him going late 1st to early 2nd.

This draft is definitely a riddle needing a solution. Many teams who do not think it through will suffer. In five years, less than a handful of the first-round picks will become starters. Watch and see how many are dumped and signed as situational players in five years.

There are many good players in this draft simply not great. If GMs approach it in this matter, they can gain value toward the depth of their roster.

Take what it gives. If you get a solid starter and a few back-ups or good special teamers, so be it.

Yet a lot of us thought the same thing about JOK so hope springs eternal!

So? That is a reason to follow today? It doesn't matter. The guy will probably go before our pick.

If that happens it will be a totally different departure and an entirely new trend for the Center position. Not saying it's impossible but I see it as very highly unlikely.

I believe the reason Centers are not taken early is there are positions of need (QB, Edge, OT, and Corner) that are higher priority. Not many teams will have these positions filled where they can justify drafting an interior lineman early.

I am still not sure Linderbaum is the correct choice at #13. For debate purposes, is the best Center in the last decade a better option than the third or fourth ranked Edge, OT, or Corner in this draft. For that matter, is it better than the second or third best receiver?

Lastly, is Linderbaum enough of a "difference-maker" to justify at #13. Personally, I am firm believer games are easier won by having strong players in the trenches. I am sure there are others who will strongly disagree and have valid reasons for it.

It is a reason to follow today. It hasn't happened in 30 years. Is it possible? sure, but it doesn't make sense.

We could still get a highly ranked WR, DE, LB, DL, CB. All who could have a huge impact on our team (especially if a team or a couple draft QBs in front of us). JC still could go another year. If we have to start Nick at least he's surrounded by two excellent guards in Bitonio and Teller and at least knows the system.

IMO, the reason Centers go around the 20 mark is the depth of the draft is starting to thin out. Every draft isn't deep, if a draft is deep in one or two areas say DE for example usually by 20 those top 4/5/6 DEs are already picked.



If we are picking a Center at 13, I am question the depth of this draft. A highly ranked DE, WR, DL playing at a Pro-Bowl level is way more important then a Center playing as one to us.



top 10 centers according to PFF (yes I added more)
Rodney Hudson - drafted 2nd round
Corey Linsley - 5th round
Frank Ragnow - 1st round (20th)
JC Tretter - 4th round
Jason Kelce - 6th round
Brandon Linder - 3rd round
Ben Jones - 4th round
Erik McCoy - 2nd round (48th)
Ryan Kelly - 1st round (18th)
Chase Roullier - 6th round
Ryan Jensen - 6th round
David Andrews - undrafted
Alex Mack - 1st round (21)
Matt Paradis - 6th round
Mitch Morse - 2nd round (49)
Creed Humphrey - 2nd round (63)
Trey Hopkins - undrafted
Bradley Bozeman - 6th round

I wanna see us take a WR at 13 Look at how well it worked out for the Bengals.... Question, is there a guy that good available at 13?

The Bengals had the third pick and took a receiver who has the best rookie season since Randy Moss.

Do you think there are any in his "league" in this draft?

No. And if there were they wouldn’t be available at pick 13.

Weird... Moss was drafted at #21.

Thank you for your response,,, can you tell me if there are any close to him we might be able to get at 13? If so, that's what I'd like to see us do.

Not because of his talent level.

Anyway, my point is that receivers like Chase aren’t available every year.

I don’t see anyone close to Chase being available in this draft.

I don't know if Chase's numbers will be matched by a rookie for awhile.

Yes he's a great player, but he also ended up on the same team as another great player who happened to be his teammate during the most prolific passing season in college football history. He already had great chemistry with his QB. That helps a lot.

Baker hasn't shown the level of trust Burrow showed in Chase in any of the receivers that have been here. I doubt he'll suddenly show it to a rookie he'll have never played in a live game with.

Unfortunately, it's not just about the player. It's about the situation that he's thrust into.

I don't see our situation resulting in a Chase-like outcome.

Maybe a healthy, confident Baker will "surprise" me (I do expect him to play better). I'm not sure that I see huge WR numbers in this offense, though.

We should sign Dede Westbrook.