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Do you have any idea what it's like to be "big man on campus" and spend most of your adult life with women throwing themselves at you? I'm not saying the women in the lawsuits did, but if you are used to women doing that, and then these women are rubbing on you, I can see how he may have read the signals wrong.

Again, I'm not saying this is the case. I'm saying that it could be the case. That's not an excuse for the behavior, but he's not necessarily a monster.

A big, spoiled, horny "kid", apparently so. At the minimum.

I don't even necessarily want him on the team, but I don't think your argument should only apply to Hunt and Myles if that's the one you're going with.

The team will do their investigation and see if they are comfortable with what they find.

j/c:

Listening to the radio right now and they are discussing the trade and who would be the untouchables. Ward and Garrett are repeatedly brought up. But not Chubb. Would he be someone willing to be included in the Texans really wanted him? Then running in back (no pun intended) with Hunt and Johnson??

I'd have to say yes at this point.

Chubb is a no go for me. You trade for Watson because you have Chubb.

So if the entire deal hinged on Chubb being included, you'd walk away? Interesting. I'm not firm on my leaning of "yes" in this situation but in order to get someone like Watson, giving up established assets like Chubb can sometimes be a part of it.

Still, at this point, I don't think the Browns are frontrunners but it fascinating to think about.

yea there would be bigger issues outside of berea than there were Jan 6th if Chubb was traded.

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Would Stefanski change his offense to match Watson's skillset or would he keep the offense the same and waste Watson like Stefanski has wasted several other premium WRs?

Lol

What amazes me is that this is the same fan base that gave the Steelers grief for years, and rightly so, for having a scum bag as their QB. Now they want to welcome a different scum bag with open arms. Sad.

If a jury did not find him guilty, then I see no problem with him. It doesn't sound to me as if he "forced" anyone. Maybe he was aggressive, but in the end it was not rape or sexual battery. It would appear to me that these women consented at some point, and were not forced. When someone gets their day in court, and is not charged, I do not listen to what people think should happen to them. If he was guilty of a crime, he should be punished. But he was not found guilty, and all those virtue signaling, are wasting their time.

This guy is a true franchise QB, the Browns should do everything in their power to get him. Except trading Chubb.

What was Big Ben convicted of?

Nothing, but because he was on a hated rival in the minds of Browns fans he was guilty. Watson since he isn't on a hated rival gets a free pass.

So if we never anything about Roethlisberger’s issues then we are good?

I’m safe.

There is definitely a non zero chance it happens. Watson gets to choose his spot though so it doesn’t even really matter what we are willing to offer.

read the date....


Deshaun Watson
@deshaunwatson
Cleveland Browns making moves forreal!

10:41 PM · May 8, 2014·Twitter for iPhone

Some people have minimum bar they set. Some people don't.

Ad hominen still very much alive and well here, eh? This and the gaslighting are the things I don’t miss.

If any of you want Watson, that’s your choice. Just remember how you felt about Ben and then think about how you now want Watson.

What matters the most to you?

So beating up a pregnant girl is above or below said line?

Apples to oranges is not apples to apples.

Was Deshawn suspended for his actions? Did he apologize for his actions? Was he shunned by the league and actually out of the league while every team in the NFL were refusing to sign him? Was he in the situation of only one team willing to sign him at a fraction of the price he would be getting had that not have taken place?

But you see, DeShawn is a good QB so none of those things apply to him. I'm not against a player or person getting a second chance in life, but first they must address and be punished for what they did in the first place. Not be rewarded for it.

22 women have accused Watson, 22. Let that sink in for a m minute. And he has done nothing but play innocent and get those fat paychecks the entire time. Are you really trying to compare the two as being even close to the same thing?

j/c:

Watson won't be in a Browns uniform for a variety of reasons, many of them already discussed, and I'm glad. For any one or all of those reasons, I haven't really considered if I would be morally against having him here. It's a non-issue. Nor do I know if it would be a moral issue for me in general when thinking about personnel. Probably not. If I used a character or criminal litmus test for any impact player we might bring in, then where do we draw the line?

The interesting part of the conversation (for me) is that line. Is it okay or not okay to bring in a player based on: number of criminal complaints, criminal or civil issues, history of behavior, violence against women vs assault/battery in general vs rampant drug issues vs weapons charges vs accusations in college, possible missed time later in the season due to legal obligations, ones that deserve second chances vs ones who don't etc?

In other words, do we care more about a scumbag being in a Browns uniform (speaking in general) or the possibility that scumbag could be the piece to get us to a Superbowl (I don't think Watson is that answer specifically).

Would you rather have a great team with a few criminals, "reformed criminals", ingrates, reprobates and malcontents OR an average team that doesn't have those issues? That's a front office thing, and I trust this front office. In a perfect world, a sports team could be morally clean and formidable at the same time. Good luck.

It's football, not family or church. So, I don't put a lot of thought into the moral implications of signing a possible criminal or thief to a sports team. Those thought are best served elsewhere. I can be personally offended and disgusted based on my faith, but I'm not sure I'm all that offended in general by anything anymore when it comes to athletes (or other professions).

If any player came in and was a major influence on the Browns getting to the Superbowl, I suspect many in the fanbase would quickly forget or rationalize that player's criminal issues.

That being said, I'm still glad Watson probably won't be a Brown.

jmho

I don't care if it is 2, 22 or 222. I believe he is innocent until proven guilty in court.


I'd rather not acquire him for the Browns because I think the price is too high, and it puts too many eggs in his basket. All it takes is one stupid injury and we are set back years from the draft capitol we tossed at this.

Sounds logical. Accuse 22 women of lying to believe one man. But then that happened in 2016 and once again in 2020 so I'm not surprised.

You don't apologize when you have pending cases. That's like 1st class of pre-law stuff.

Having your name dragged through the mud for months/years isn't nothing. Especially if you didn't do what they said you did.

There's video of Hunt doing what he did. There's no hard evidence of Watson doing what it's claimed that he did.

Do you believe in innocence until proven guilty or not? It's the basis of our legal system.

....and it looks like we just traded for Amari Cooper, so I need to check that out.

I don't really want to trade for Watson anyways.

I don't want this rapist on our team.

I believe that 22 accusers is overwhelming. If you don't and think 22 women are lying, that's your choice.

thanks to the cooper trade, it's safe to say we can't afford Watson.

We are all in on Baker and if he stinks it up we will draft a QB next year.

JUST SAY "HELL NO"

No need to get more complicated than that. Good grief, guys wanted to nail Baker to the cross because he got drunk and ran from the police for about 2.8 yards.... And now people want to embrace a serial sexual predator? And folks want to suggest that what Hunt did, one time, never before or since, is worse than a repeated pattern of deviant, sexual exploitive behavior that runs into the 20s???

Most Browns fans have hated on therapist in Pittsburgh for the last 20 years... Because he's a POS human who got away with rape.... And we think it's cool and groovy because Watson might be an upgrade at QB?

Hell no.

I don't think this is the case whatsoever.

QFT. One thing about this topic is that we are in 100% agreement.

ok, how do you clear up 40 million in cap space after we just traded for Cooper?

Baker's cap his is 18.5 mill

we still have to sign several other players plus our draft picks.

j/c...

The Cooper trade doesn’t hurt their cause IMO

Well Ben was never charged with rape... Yet I think it is commonly accepted that the reason is NOT because he didn't rape anyone.

I don't believe Watson was ever accused of raping these 20 plus women.... He was a sexual predator and used his name, position, power to exploit these women. Over and over and over and over again. As I said.... This is a serial pattern of behavior. It is not OK. I'm not gonna shrug my shoulders and act like it doesn't amount to much because he wasn't charged.

Drop your BS spin. I never accused a single person of lying. You keep your words in YOUR mouth.

I said he is innocent until proven guilty. They are accusing him of things he has a right, a basic human right, to defend himself against with the idea that until THEY can prove he is guilty he is not.

The narrative plays to your agenda so he must be guilty. This is my shocked face.

So the fact they couldn't assemble a strong enough case to bring him to trial means he's innocent? I guess O.J. was innocent too and he was brought to trial. I mean a jury didn't convict him, right?

Here's the bottom line. You either think 22 women are lying and he's telling the truth or you don't. This isn't a criminal trial. It isn't about sending someone to prison. It's about deciding if you think those 22 women are lying and he's a player you can support and want on your team. I think he's a liar and did a lot of the things he is being accused of. I don't want to see him wearing a Browns uniform.

Watson to Cooper!!! TD!!!

we at least make ourselves highly competitive in the sweepstakes. Great O line, Great RBs, solid TE's, and now an above average WR core (assuming landry leaves). we still can go out and trade mayfield or landry, and still have possibly a low 20/high 30 pick to get another WR or DT's.

i dont think any other team except the Bucs can offer what we have on offense.