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Anyone fretting about the cap lacks an understanding of the cap.

It amazes me sometimes the low IQ on responses on the board. Nobody was questioning the Browns ability to deal with the cap or to manipulate it the way it needs to be done. If we are going to have an educated conversation, then there are some things that we must assume - like the basics are understood. Unfortunately, some on here think they post at a higher level than others - NOT! To put it simple, the post is what it is - a statement that accurately exposes the Browns currently being over the cap and now about 48 hours to correct that to be league compliant. The post was hoping to spur give and take about how the Browns are actually going to create that cap compliance and generate enough cap room to participate in FA that starts the 16th and the draft.

Maybe it would be productive to the site by exchanging ideas about either how you feel or what you think the Browns might be thinking or planning to do instead of quickly lashing out with worthless silly attacks that do the conversation no good except to please your own internal strive for what you think is superiority. As far as Watson goes, that's 35M for 2022 alone meaning the Browns need to free up over 40M just to make that deal alone and no others. Additional FA signings, trades, and the draft would require funds way above that initial 40M. That would mean moving players that a lot of Browns fans would be upset about - that's the point of the post - who are the Browns and we the fans willing to move to make the moves needed to be a Super Bowl Contender. Resigning Landry even to a lower deal is still going to add to the cap depending on the deal which will reduce the amount of recover from the 17M original Cap hit. Even if Landry was to split it over 2 years, the Browns only save 8M. Bakers 19M plus Landry's 8M minus the 3M already in the hole only leaves 24M to go after a Watson with a 35M deal. That means the Browns need to create another 11M cap space just for Watson - leaving the Browns with no FA money and no draft money. That's the conversation - not your small minded jibs and jabs.

I would love for us to keep Jarvis and add a 2nd round WR to go along with Amari and DPJ.

Just to spur the conversation.........

The Browns WR going into the off season 2021 PFF Position Ranking (W/2022 planned cap hit)
#68 Landry $16,379,412
#73 Peoples-Jones $941,652
#106 Higgins UFA
NR Swartz $1,105,233
NR Bradley $895,000

Dallas Cowboys WR going into the off season 2021 PFF Position Ranking (W/2022 planned cap hit)
#8 Lamb $3,820,913
#37 Gallup UFA
#40 Cooper $22,000,000
#44 Wilson UFA

2022 NFL WR moves made prior to FA with 2021 PFF Position Ranking (W/2022 planned cap hit)
#2 Adams GBP - Franchise Tag - 2022 cap $20,145,000 guaranteed
#40 Cooper DAL - Traded to Cleveland - 2022 cap $20,000,000 no guarantee
#11 Godwin TBB - Franchise Tag - 2022 cap $19,179,600 guaranteed
#23 Williams LAC - Resigned @ 3-year 60M (40M Guaranteed) - 2022 cap $14,000,00

Was the trade for Cooper the step up at the WR position you anticipated the Browns would make at WR? Good deal or not? Will the Browns go after another UFA WR? What will the Browns do with Landry? What's next...........

Selfishly, I am hoping the trade market for Landry is kind of stagnant. They were talking about redoing his deal, so if there isn't much market, maybe he will lower his number, and I expect Cooper to convert some of the salary into a bonus to lower his number as well. Keep them both and lower our cap would be great.

you think allen robinson would an upgrade to jarvis, at least in the scenario where we lose him?

I apologize for the post inadvertently directed at you. It was meant to be directed at the few on this forum who think and believe that only their thoughts, concerns, and direction of the team deserves reading by the Browns fans in this forum. The silly innuendos directed at anyone who has a different opinion or path is happening more often than not by these self-appointed few. My focus is actually similar to yours as I too am interested in the final roster and how it will work on the field but additionally concerned about what the Browns are paying for those pieces and the affect it will have on the future of the Cleveland Browns. There are a number of teams that seem to be competitive every year by putting a viable product on the field without making excessive expenditures that are outside the realm of being realistic.

My beef is that when you go after a player, example Hooper, and you have to pay more than the market because you are extremely weak at the position - Njoku was the starter at the time - you don't compound that move with all the guaranteed money you locked up by signing the player you initially were hell bet on replacing to a guaranteed franchise tag of 10.913M who has poorer production numbers than the player you jumped over fences for 2-years earlier. IMHO, you also don't have the 2nd highest payed TE group in the NFL for a run first team that with a decimated WR room couldn't account for 40 receptions out of either player in 2021. Even if the Browns decide to eat the Hooper contract and pay dead cap money this year of 11.25M or 11.25M over the next 2 years, a person should be hard pressed to justify paying a player 10.913M that you were hell bent on replacing who's averaged only 30 receptions per year for the 5-years he's been with the Browns especially in a run first offense. A player where 31.36% of his total production for the entire year in 2021 came in a single game. That IMHO is a total waste of money and compounding the lack of targets for a player you are locked into for 11.25M in one way or another the next year or two.

Anyway, I apologize for the misdirected post and hope the week brings the excitement and results we both hope for the Browns.

j/c:

Jordan Schultz reports Jarvis Landry ending up in Kansas City has been a "consistent rumor of late."
Landry has been given permission to seek a trade, though it remains possible, if not probable, he is released outright. Signing Landry post-release would be the Chiefs' obvious preference for an increasingly injury-prone, 29-year-old wideout currently due $14.3 million in 2022. Were Landry to come aboard, he would fill what has been a huge, consistent need for the Chiefs in the middle of the field at wideout.

https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/football/nfl/player-news/10637026?category=headlines

Agree 100%

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Schefter deleted the Tweet.

1. I'm annoyed that the tweets aren't currently loading for me.

2. I'm very sad to see Jarvis go. He has been the Heart & Soul of this roster since Day 1.

Maybe it isn't happening, then?

No. It probably had a typo, so he deleted it. Everyone else has it now.

Sad to see Landry leaving. Really enjoyed the fire he brought the team in his play. Understand though. He really digressed last season.

so we lost OBJ and now Juice.

if we stick with baker, how many games into the season will we start hearing excuses for baker and how Amari cooper sucks?

Yeah, except it's TwitFaceSpace.... is everyone else running it because they saw Shefter's post?

Releasing Landry was always the most likely outcome. I love what he contributed when he was with the team.

Yep.

Damn, ok... so it's real. That sucks

It's pretty simple.... if Baker can't get it done with Amari and whomever else we bring in (expecting that we do bring in more WR talent), then there are no excuses.
Third year in the same offense. Healthy. Hopefully plenty of talent that run good routes and have good hands.

If we aren't running an efficient passing game, you trade Baker for whatever you can get for him before the deadline and spend the rest of 2022 positioning us for a top pick in 2023.

The season hasn't started yet. Healthy seems a pretty big assumption. If everyone does stay healthy, then I agree, excuses would be used up.

personally, this FO is starting to annoy me.

I'm pretty sure we could have traded Landry for a 6th or 7th. Same was true of OBJ

So you think that a team offered to trade for Landry, and his $16 million salary, while knowing he was going to be released and the front office said no?

Will miss Jarvis and the leadership he provided, I knew we probably wouldn't get anything out of him trade value (As heck, I think we only gave up a 4th round pick for him when he was entering his prime) Good luck Jarvis...hoping either Christian Kirk or Berrios are on our radar.

yep, apparently, he was even willing to restructure his contract.

Restructure his contract = add more years and more money

If we were offered anything for Landry he would have been traded. Amari Cooper, who is much better and younger, got a fifth round pick for Dallas.

In a run heavy offense you need a WR that can draw double teams
In order to create consistent running lanes.
Jarvis doesnt guy that criteria.
He is a possession WR wanting take off the top of a defense money.

Berry MAYBE left a late pick on the table, but he is earning mega points with vets for doing what is right in releasing them. OBJ would have spent the remainder of the year at home if I were Berry. But letting him go, so he could go on to play in a Super Bowl with another team... other vets notice that crap.

I'm not sure Jarvis could have passed a physical as part of a trade. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he has early onset arthritis in his bad hip.

He provided much needed leadership when he arrived, and I wish him the best of luck.

If you're complaining that you'll have to endure a bunch of bad hottakes... well, I don't know what to tell you. Browns fandom mixed with our local media... it is what it is. But the big difference this year is that if Baker doesn't ball out, then his contract is up. If, despite being healthy, his poor play continues then I have a hard time seeing AB and KS sign up for more of that.