DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum DeShaun Watson II

If some of.you.only.knew how many of.your beloved Browns
Alumni got away with crimes in the past.

I can start giving you guys a list

Eddie.Johnson scammed homeowners out thousands
Of dollars of remodeling work never done

Barkevious Mingo groomed a teen boy from North Akron

Art Modell paid a kings ransom to keep Tom Couiseneau
From going to jail after a being caught in Fairview Park
With a underage teen

We all.know Reggie Ruckers recent issues with theft

I knew of a Browns.FB that would go.to.bars in Kent
In.the late 80s.promise young women this.that
Go to a motel and take them and take advantage of them

Point being NFL players are like any other humans on earth
There is good, bad, wholesome, evil tall, short, quiet, talkative
And on Sundays, no one supporting that teams players could care
Less what they done off the field. Only what they do on the field

If the Browns and the fans don't care about Watson being a sexual predator and are willing to give up a ton of 1st round picks to get him then they should put a clause in his new contract stating the team will NEVER suspend him for ANY reason due to off-field behavior. He can assault as many women as he likes and the team will do NOTHING. If that is the way they want to play the game then when something happens they can just shut up. The ONLY thing that matters is ON-FIELD performance and what a player does in his off time is of NO interest to the team or fans. Personally, the minute Watson is signed as a Brown I become an EX Browns fan. I have been a Browns fan since 1967 when I was five years old. 55 years I have watched every game that was televised. That comes to an abrupt end if they sign this... *expletive deleted"

Oh well. All good then right? What happened 40 years ago should be our moral guide in 2022.got it.

C'mon guys, we are all adults.

Watson case is with masseuse's, call me crazy but it does not take a genius to understand the issue.

Not that I have anything against masseuse's, but I would guess a multi million dollar athlete wouldn't be treated by a regular masseuse.

Lmao. What the f does that mean. You will have to explain. It sounds a lot like "she was asking for it wearing that outfit"....

I get a massage every 3 weeks. None of the massage therapists I've ever seen would do anything inappropriate for me or any athlete or film star or whatever. I've never had 22 different therapists. You find one you like and you stick with them.

Watson is definitely a creep. Full stop.

The dilemma is whether you are willing to look past that or not. As I have said before, I am super conflicted. I think I am at the point where I hope he picks someone else so I don’t have to do the mental gymnastics.

I hope this situation has a happy ending.

You mean like after Watson turns down the Browns' leadership group, they all pile into Haslam's jet and fly to visit Baker and Emily, and they all go on a nice picnic?

Thaat was perfect. Thank you.

Crfs... He's a creep yes, probably beyond a creep. Not a rapist but a serial exploiter/manipulator.

The article posted by Jester (I think) was probably the most rationale take on the implications of the organization going hard for DW. At this point it maybe doesn't matter the outcome, the organization showed us their asses and a little of their values. As a fan that thinks character matters that hurts. And it *feels* like if we don't get DW we might be royally screwed at QB this year. It's deflating.

Whatever happen this is already a clusterfck with a bitter taste on the whole situation.

If the Browns FO believes that all 22 women is lying then I will never again in my whole life give my support to Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski. Their moral compass is lost.

We have four daughters and two grandchildren in our family. My girls would think I have lost it if I turned my blind eye and pretended everything is ok. No more money to our owners from my pocket. Sorry but it’s to much.

Watson had seen over 50 therapists.

The reason is quite obvious.

I read something about some of them having verbiage on their profiles that were understood "code" for "other services available". That's all well in good if it led to something consensual. It may be possible that some of them jumped on the bandwagon when the attorney started making calls...

But not 22 of them. Sorry. What, they all got together on zoom and got their stories to line up first? B.S.

There are accounts of some of them being in shock, in fear, and just blown away that someone of his "stature" would try to force himself on them. There are probably a few others that told him to get dressed and gtfo... and just moved on... not wanting to get involved with any lawsuit.

He'll pay out a few million and move on. But it doesn't take a genius to understand that he has a compulsive addiction.

Even a masseuse that defended him later had some texts published between her and a friend. She said she quit treating him because of "word on the street"... and even said that she tried to warn him...

Yet he continued.

That in and of itself shows that he thought he was "above the law". So, you're intersecting sick, despicable acts with a personality that says "I'm Deshaun #$%#& Watson, I'll do as I please".


Don't want that on my team, I feel dirty even thinking about cheering for that. I have a hard time even believing "my" coach and GM are talking to him. Damaging the team regardless of the outcome.

And the track record of high-profile athletes/stars that get their "slap on the wrist"? Well, I don't need to spell it all out, but more than a few have led to acts that are far worse.

I wonder, if while talking to Watson, if Berry and company will try to dig into what might have happened and try to get a feel for it. If they get creeper out will they back off? Is this just due diligence?

If they don’t do that then they are not doing their job.

This is correct. Like it or not, a lot of people in the NFL are scumbags and not role models, which includes the coaches.

Watson IS a tremendous talent and I'd love to have him but I don't know, depending on how bad his character is will he quit on the team? Will he be able to deal with things if they get tough?

I don't know if he has the same determination as Mayfield. Does he?

I feel like Watson will not stomach our toxic media and fanbase. He won't stay here long and then what.

He has not been proven guilty of anything yet!!! Should he not first be found guilty before we all jump to conclusions?

Aye... my point is this could be due diligence so they have an out as well.

It is hard to say, especially this time of year.

22 accusers sorry they can't all be liars ...

I guess the Pharisees must have all been liars to? There was a mob of them. They all could not be wrong huh? The bottom line is as a citizen we are not tried in the court of public opinion but the court of law. He has not been found guilty of any crime as of now.

Exactly. How long before he cashes a big check here and then asks for a trade out of town, or decides that he isn't going to play for us until we do another contract that pays him more?

If he comes here, he's bolting as soon as he can once he takes the field here and gets booed before playing a down.

Not Guilty is not the same as Innocent.
Not Guilty, or the decision to not pursue criminal charges, can very easily be as little as a prosecutor not feeling confident they have enough to get a conviction (or winning an all expenses paid vacation to Puerto Vallarta that he just can't pass on during the time he'd have to try the case).

In a case like this, it would be nice if we could get a look at what the grand jury was presented.

In this country you are innocent until proven guilty by a jury of your peers. Until he is charged he is an innocent man!

How many examples you want that this isn't actually true?

You know, you don't need to keep saying that. We saw it the first 50 times.

But it is true. If you are not found guilty of a crime you are considered innocent. The law states you are innocent until found guilty by a jury of your peers. Was he found guilty by a jury of his peers? No! Thus he is considered innocent. In this case there was not enough evidence to convict. So he is still an innocent man at this time. That is not saying he did or did not commit the crimes. It is just saying until he is found guilty he should be seen as innocent. We are not convicted by public opinion. That is lunacy!!!

j/c...

That ONLY applies in the eyes of the law, and note that a defendant is never proclaimed to be found innocent, they are proclaimed to be found not guilty.

There is a difference with significance.

Then why do we continue to see posts calling him a rapist, an abuser, a criminal, etc...?

For the same reason Big Ben is still a rapist, Hunt & Jim Brown are women beaters, Ray Lewis and O.J. Simpson are murderers.

There is the Truth, then there is what you can get a jury to believe.... and they are rarely the same thing.

White Cops, Black Males, Donald Trump, etc. All examples where people have been considered guilty without a jury of their peers deciding so. The way it is supposed to work and the way it is doesn't always match up.

Well at least Deshaun Watson is not Colin Kaepernack!!!

https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2022/03/15/what-deshaun-watsons-nfl-suspension-could-look-like/

Along with the Browns meeting, Watson also has a key deposition in his civil lawsuit where he is expected to answer questions without invoking his fifth amendment right to not self-incriminate for the first time now that criminal charges won’t be filed.


The NFL pledged to stay out of the way of any criminal investigation, but with that process completed, the NFL can begin to work towards a decision about his suspension. What he says in coming depositions could certainly affect the NFL’s decision. Watson will meet with NFL investigators as a part of their inquiry.

According to Charles Robinson of Yahoo Sports, some teams believe Watson will presumably face a six-game suspension under the NFL’s personal conduct policy, which can be handed down to players in instances of alleged assault and does not require a legal verdict of guilt. The NFL can use their own discretion to add or subtract from that suspension pending the results of their investigation.

In 2010, the NFL suspended Ben Roethlisberger for six games following an accusation of sexual assault. Like Watson’s case, charges were not brought against Roethlisberger. His case involved one accusation, Watson’s currently involves 22.

Charlie Frye was a choirboy of a QB. Really good guy. Overdrafted , but a good guy overall.
But when his tenure ended as a Brown QB, 99% of Browns fans were glad to see him.go.
He simply was a bad QB. But nobody was applauding his character when he was cut.
At the end of the day, it's all about, did you.perform well or not regarding athletes.

Reading this thread has been entertaining.

Thank you

You don't applaud someone for doing what everyone should be doing already.
In that vein, he managed to not make his time at QB worse by behaving like a dirtbag. That's part of doing the job.