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jc

like i said before, and purp responded great to it. if Baker is our starter, is Amari next?

somehow his batted passes are gonna be Chubb and Hunt's fault? Njoku gonna get released mid season?

we gonna toss Stefanski under the bus. all these players leaving, and yet somehow its never Mayfield's fault.

dude is gonna be 100% healthy this season. i dont want hear a freaking excuse from anyone if he still leads the league in picks and batted passes.

And now we have to try and bring a QB to Cleveland after this.

It seems like we were going to do that anyway.

It looks to me like Baker's pre-emptive post could go a long way towards building that bridge for this year. He said he'll work hard wherever he is and was seemingly good with the process. He knew he was going to get paid somewhere and I have to believe he still thinks he can produce.

Maybe they'll draft a QB this year? Maybe not? Doesn't matter now. Baker Mayfield will be the starter. He's been put on notice that unless he produces this year he's gone. The sky is not falling.

Agreed, but I think it would have been easier without this circus.

And Ryan has had a stellar career.

If Watson goes to ATL, sign me up for some Matt Ryan.

So, what's the plan if we don't get Watson? do we try to mend fences with Baker? Will he accept mended fences or at this point, will he want out?

Given what's been reported (not sure any of that is completely accurate of course), if you were Baker,, would you be willing to stay and put forth total effort?

Have we learned no lessons?

FWIW, I heard MKC on the morning show and Daryl Ruiter on the midday show, and neither thinks the the relationship with Mayfield is damaged beyond repair. Ruiter went on the record saying he believes Baker will be the starting QB next season.

I can't wait for opening day when Milkman has a date with his bandsaw.

Maybe.

Or maybe the Browns FO is in full spin mode trying to amplify the trade value of the guy no longer in their plans.

The Browns going so hard for a POS character like Watson is the biggest black eye in all this. Most especially with their "Character and Accountability" marketing bullcrap. If we end up with someone's cast off after trading away Baker for not much, that'll just be the Browns being Clowns once more.

j/c:

Begin attempting to mend those fences while looking for Plan B.

Haslam is clueless about many things, but you’re going a little overboard mac.

please dont be Jimmy G. at least Baker has remained relatively healthy. i was against Jimmy G from the jump. got hurt in new england, stayed hurt in San fran.

It’s a farce. They want to look like the good guy when Baker asks for the trade.

I agree.

Please Please Please give Him one more year to show us he's the guy.
I think he is and can be great, yes I said it he can be great.
Dont throw the baby out with the bath water.

mac,
Go grind your axe somewhere else. Start up another 'Depo stole my girlfriend' thread since the other one got locked. Your 1-man crusade vs analytics was tired before, but now you're trying to convince everyone that not every single other FO/coach/owner prior to now had QB controversies and it's something new because of analytics.


I read somewhere that really started to make me think. Somebody stated that there are VERY few QBs that could be entitled to the belief that their FO shouldn't look to upgrade the QB position. We're talking Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes, and MAYBE Stafford, Herbert, Russell Wilson. I don't think anyone would argue that Baker is NOT in this category, and yet I'd characterize a lot of his behavior as him thinking this is the case (he's the fQB and how dare you). It's also having me look back again at some of his previous outbursts and stuff in a little bit of a different light.

We're all trying to read between the lines, so I understand that not everyone will agree with this take. I also acknowledge (and sincerely hope) that once this is in the rear mirror it'll just be a forgotten speed bump, and Baker comes out in the new season on fire and going scorched Earth on the league (on the field).

This is my advise to Baker, Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Berry.

Baker.
Grow up and stop communicating via social media. Stop being a drama queen. Take the criticism on your kind and move on. Be the adult in the room and contact Stefanski and Berry and ask for a personal meeting. Admit your shortcomings and promise that whatever happen you will improve and act like an adult. Start there.

Kevin Stefanski.
Be the father figure you never was. Open your arms and welcome a young insecure man by sharing your wisdoms. Whatever happen promise to hold no grudges and say you’re willing to start all over again building a good and fruitful companionship. If you split ways do it with class and integrity.

Andrew Berry.
You’re responsible for the majority of this fiasco. Take full responsibility against media and be the one who inform team mates what’s going on and how to move forward. Help Kevin and Baker by being supportive. Include Baker and show him respect. If you part ways do it with class. Finally. Stop being a smart a** and talk in riddles where you say everything but mean nothing.

This is my take on this. To continue with this passive aggressive fight will only be counterproductive.

Yeah, you sound like the type who would let somebody stab you in the back and then suck up to them in return.

Wow man... getting crazy early on a Thursday...

Browns FO did exactly what they told Baker they would a couple weeks ago... if there was a top tier QB available like Watson they would explore it... they did... didn't work out... right now Baker is the QB if he's healthy...

Guy has been a decent QB so far for us... has a ton of turn overs and batted balls... has been up and down... I'm hoping that if we do roll with him this year that he has a great year...

No one stabbed him in the back. His coach, GM, and Owner attempted to improve the team. It happens to every other position on the team. Why should QB be any different? It is a business. It is not personal. He should man up, stay quite, and if he remains QB perform on the field and then his employers will not attempt to up grade his position.

They also told us they valued character and accountability. Obviously that was a lie so you have decided you believe their PR BS now?

Yeah, two weeks ago they claimed he will be their starter....... Until shortly after he wasn't. You don't support me, I don't support you. Life is a two way street.

18mil will soften the blow.

So we need to cut Hunt... glad we traded Higgins with his speeding issues... same with Willis.... I can't believe we brought on OBJ when he sexually assaulted a police officer....

I'll say it again... Watson is a creep but there wasn't enough there to even charge him criminally... he would have been a MASSIVE upgrade to our QB situation and is young enough to potentially be here for the next ten years...

As it is, he wants to stay in warmer weather... and we currently have a starting QB coming off surgery who has more INTs than any other QB in the last couple of years...

Are there ANY adults in the room that can make FOOTBALL based decisions to get them to the Super Bowl? Or is it just social media nonsense, coach speak, front office spin, etc.? Geezus. It's football, not rocket science. The statistical probability of NEVER going to a Super Bowl at this point has to be off the charts. Enough already!

Yeah, 22 women are lying and Deshawn is the arbiter of truth.

Hunt paid for his actions, apologized and earned a second chance. Deshawn? People just keep spewing this BS like the scenario is the same. It's not.

And as most people know here, press conference comments don't mean anything regarding truth or direction.

But we, and I think I can speak in the plural here, WE understand you'd be a bit salty since you tried to ridicule people who already knew this element of PCs and pointed it out from the jump. But hey, you do you.

Swish I think a lot of people just want to see a healthy Baker in 2022 and then go from there. The fact is that when he was healthy, this team went to the playoffs. We just want to see if it can happen again. If not, and he performs as you mention, then yeah, goodbye Baker. But seriously, enough of the commercials and tweets. Just play football already.

I understand what you're getting at (there's shared responsibility in getting us here), but that is so not Stefanski's job. Maybe in college when they're actually kids... but he's a pro, been a pro for a few years, and is making a case to earn a second contract.

I can't see how this had become lost over the last 12 months. If Baker was the reason why Baker played injured all of last year we don't have a QB problem we have a Coaching Staff problem. The assumption has to be they thought he gave us the better chance to win, or we have a coaching staff problem.

If we have concerns with Baker's maturity I think it has to have been well hidden from the public. Or someone can point out the glaring issue I am missing. I don't buy the Instagram post people labeled as a goodbye letter as a big issue if we were chasing after a guy accused of harassing 2 dozen women he selected from social media. I get drawing lines over what you can accept and what you can't, but that seems totally backwards.

You're right... they're not the same... there was video evidence that Hunt beat a woman... for DW so far we've seen there wasn't enough evidence for a criminal charge...

but it's beside the point, you act like we should only bring choir boys onto the team which is unrealistic..

Do I think DW did something improper? sure... do I think he's a creep... sure... but to act like our FO is ridiculous for pursuing him is laughable to me... either way, we disagree on this subject but it doesn't really matter...we're not getting him, so we both have to hope and pray Baker can actually turn it around or we can find a replacement.

He had a good year in 2020, and I'm praying he can get back to that... I don't think he'll ever be an elite QB... but if he can get back to his 2020 form we should at least compete for the division...