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We should just take him out with those Jewish space lasers.

Somehow he doesn't think they have the method to deploy nukes with the push of a button. Or maybe he thinks we can overthrow Russia in a matter of hours. I can't figure out WTH he thinks when he says that.

Where's MTG when you need her.

At a klan/Nazi rally giving a pro Putin speech. That's what she does.

You asked for an answer, I gave you one.

There are risks... Doing nothing, or sanctioning and sending aid to Ukraine without any direct involvement, also has risks....

Honestly, the biggest unknown in this whole scenario, for me, is what is China thinking. If I had assurance that China wouldn't immediately come to Russia's aid in war, I would be even more adamant that we should go into Ukraine immediately.

My predix is that the economic hardship brought to bear on the Russian citizens will cause them to rise up in rebellion. They may fear the cops, Putin, etc for now, but that fear will take a back seat to anger and desperation when they can't feed their kids. There is not enough police to retain control if thousands in major Russian cities everywhere decide to express their frustration and anger at the decisions being made in Moscow.

Here's what we have right now:

1. Tight sanctions on Putin's inner circle. They hate not having the trappings of wealth and power. Some are even complaining that they won't know how to live after a handful of days as an Ordinary Joe. They will begin to chirp in Putin's ear, if they haven't already begun to do so.

2. Bad news from the front. This was supposed to be a 5-10 day 'shock & awe' campaign, designed to quickly place puppets at the heads of all Ukraine's major posts. That plan is gone- Ukraine was the "98 lb. weakling" who signed onto Charles Atlas' program when Putin wasn't looking- and he has the bloody nose to prove it. The world is watching, and saw the fearsome Russian military for the outdated, out-fought, undertrained paper tiger it is. Can't make the world un-see it. Ukrainians ain't giving up. The world is witness.

3. Bogged-down supply chains, low troop morale, numerous Generals killed on the battlefield. Nothing says "fun times" quite like seeing the corpse of your top commander being sent home in a plastic bag. Troops are laying down their arms, surrendering to Ukrainian citizens, and/or just going A.W.O.L. I don't blame them for asking, "Why the hell are we doing this?"

4. Thousands of slain Russian troops. I don't care how feared Putin thinks he is, he wants no part of a grieving Russian mother whose 19 year-old Yevgeni died on foreign soil for a cause that only Putin understands. Get enough of these Moms together, and there will be a price exacted- the negative publicity alone will be enough to turn public sentiment. Why? Because these kids are just like ours... they came from all over to serve, so there will be lots of "slow singin & flower bringin" in every corner of the country. For as long as this lasts.

5. A standing conventional army has never successfully taken and held territory against guerilla-style insurgencies. Russia has only to look back to her own recent history in Afghanistan to see how locals/indigenous rebels (who know the lay of the land) can bleed a superior force dry with 'death by a thousand cuts.' And if they don't want to learn from Afghanistan, they can look into American history at the "Viet Nam Conflict" (yes- we were discouraged from calling ours a war, too-) to see how these things always turn out.

Short of declaring no-fly zones and launching direct engagement with a nuked-up enemy combatant, this is truly the best course of action to take. It will take months for all these pressures to take their tolls, but the man has made himself an island in the world, in his region, and pretty much in his own country. I believe this will end one of two ways:


1. He gets taken out by those just beneath him, because his loose canon routine will become too costly for all.
2. A massive popular uprising across his country will give others the courage to openly challenge him in his newly-weakened state.

This is Putin's last dance. The signs are all there.
If we (the rest of the world) can keep a cool head and continue tightening the noose his days are numbered.


Dictators always go out like this.
Reason: they make it impossible for their countries to have a peaceful exchange of power. Without those democratic norms, institutions and restraints, the only solution left to The People is violent overthrow. There is always blood, or flight to a foreign country to avoid death. They never step down, so eventually they get 'put down.'


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Clem,
I think you are spot on.

But, the sanctions are going to really take some time to work if another nation (china, India) is funneling them money

The only thing that worries me is the cornered dog and what will he do if he thinks he is on his way out. Is he trying to bait us into a war? I thought before he surely was/he still probably is. It didn't give me the warm and fuzzies last night when there was a report of russian state tv showing how russia could invade NATO Baltic states.



I read tonight that putin has replaced 1000 personal staffers because he is afraid of getting poisoned.
He is having people taste his food before he eats.

his troops are shooting themselves in the legs to get off the front line.

I read that a couple weeks ago the russians brought portable crematories to the front lines and if their solders were gravely injured they weren't even trying to save them, just whack them and evaporate the bodies in a crematory to hide the number of dead.

For real? Having others eat his food? Troops shooting themselves to avoid battle with innocents?

This is scary stuff, imo. He knows he's at the end. He has to win, or die, and if he dies, I have no doubt he will go nuke. he has small man disease maybe?

He painted himself into this corner, and I don't see him taking an escape. Scary times. I just hope the rest of the world is in agreement and takes him out asap.

Yes you did give me one. And at this time I'm not actually sure whether I agree with you or not. Much like yourself I realize there are risks involved either way. Throughout my life I've watched us play global police and am fully aware as to the cost we have paid for that. I'm very much awaiting China's answer to Putin as to whether they will help him by giving him military aid or not. I think that will be a strong indication.

At the present time it seems China's long term goal has been financial dominance more than a military one. That may all change here very soon.

All of this is true. It's just a shame that the cute little Ukrainian girl you posted in the thread justifying higher gas prices, and thousands like her, and their parents, and their grandparents, are going to have to die while we wait for the long game to play out.

And if you are sitting geographically closer and "Next in Line" then playing this long game of wait and see and.. eventually they will collapse from the inside, might be a lot less appealing.

Spot on big bro

I think we don’t have to worry about China anymore. The quickness in which the sweet was able to show unity against Russia, combined with the fact that China cares more about that paper than warfare, pretty much keeps China on the sidelines. Other than some low key shots at the west, they aren’t gonna risk running into Taiwan or seriously assisting Russia.

Also, what keeps China from doing anything is the fact that Putin decided to just up and invade Ukraine without talking to his allies. So unlike the west, there was no effort in making a coordinated attack. On top of that, China is surrounded by US allies, which means they probably face even more pushback invading Taiwan than Russia is currently seeing against Ukraine.

Putin really played himself. Went in solo dolo, severely miscalculated the pushback from the West, an underfunded ground force, and now has to recruit middle eastern and African mercenaries in an attempt to salvage the invasion attempt. Too many failures in a short amount of time for China to hop in.

Something not discussed but, what do you guys think this does to Cuba. Russia is their biggest creditor and they supported the Russian attack.

j/c...

Man I didn’t even think about that.

Maybe destabilizes the regime there?

Bro I saw that earlier this morning, and all I could hear was “we declare war on the US”

So far, this includes:

-United States
-United Kingdom
-Netherlands
-Sweden
-Spain
-Romania
-Portugal
-Greece
-Germany
-France
-Czech Republic
-Canada
-Belgium

The NATO countries NOT providing military aid are, for the most part, the ones that border Ukraine or aer geographically closer to Russia.. probably out of fear of being next. Even though they will be next if Russia is successful.

Sure sounds like they are ready to declare WWIII.

Watching the Mayor of KYIV… Wladimir Klitschko, former heavyweight Champ. Imagine facing the Klitschko brothers on the battlefield. No wonder Russia is getting its ass kicked. The Klitschko brothers are just average Ukrainian men, lmao.

Of course they should take China seriously. At all times.

That doesn’t take away from the fact that China most likely is gonna sit this one out. Putin screwed it up too much for them to get involved this late in the game.

If Putin overtakes Ukraine and wants to keep going, the next logical step for him is Moldova.

I know he may seem off his rocker, but if he is having this much trouble with his own troops taking over his next door neighbor, I’m wondering what his thoughts would be on moving into another territory - all while he appears not to have the requisite amount of personnel to even occupy Ukraine if he does actually take it over.

In terms of risk, right now he’s attacking a lesser neighbor with his huge army and his neighbor keeps rolling sixes against him. If he only has “2 guys left” does he take the chance at still trying to advance, all while several other bordering countries are controlled by the game leader? Maybe he does, but I hope he has some semblance of rationality, which I do question more now than last month.

If he tries to go further, it's a suicide mission, and the target will probably be Poland. If he wants to go out with a bang. I have good friends there and that is a huge fear there right now. I don't blame them after the Nazis.

j/c

interesting.
Putin never considered that things could go this way.
It's gonna get worse for him.

Inside the cutting-edge Switchblade drones the U.S. is shipping to Ukraine
Niamh Cavanagh
Niamh Cavanagh·Producer

On Wednesday. the White House announced a new $800 million military support package for Ukraine in a bid to help that country fight back against the ongoing Russian invasion. Part of the aid package is for cutting-edge aerial drones that experts say could prove exceedingly lethal to Russian forces.

The list of weapons to be shipped, President Biden said, includes 9,000 anti-armor systems, 7,000 small arms and 100 tactical unmanned aerial systems. A U.S. official later confirmed to ABC that the aerial systems to be sent would be small Switchblade drones.

Manufactured by the California company AeroVironment, the drones come in two variations: the Switchblade 600 and the 300. The latter is built to hit at smaller and more precise targets; the 600 is built to strike armored vehicles and tanks.

The 300 is less than 2 feet long, weighs 5.5 pounds and can fly up to 15 minutes. The larger drone weighs 50 pounds and can fly for 40 minutes over a range of 25 miles. Both can be carried in a backpack and deployed by individual soldiers. It has not been confirmed whether both models will be included in the shipment.



According to its manufacturer, the drones can cruise at around 65 mph and come fitted with cameras and GPS systems. They are single-use, which means they explode after striking their target and are not recoverable after they have been launched. The Switchblades also have a “wave-off” feature so that operators can abort a mission if civilians appear near the target or if the enemy withdraws.

“These were designed for U.S. Special Operations Command and are exactly the type of weapons systems that can have an immediate impact on the battlefield,” Mick Mulroy, a former deputy assistant secretary of defense, told ABC News.

Ukraine’s drones have proved vital in carrying out successful attacks in the early stages of the invasion. Jack Watling of the London-based Royal United Services Institute told Euronews that Ukraine had used drones to strike Russian forces before they were able to set up their air defenses in the battlefield.

Watling went on to say that the Ukrainian army drones “have been essentially flying in at a low level and then coming up and raiding with them. So striking targets of opportunity.”

A senior defense official confirmed the Switchblades’ effectiveness for Ukrainian forces by claiming that the drones would be useful in taking out long-range Russian artillery as Russia ramps up the bombardment of major cities in Ukraine.



These tactical UAVs can be useful against Russian vehicles and artillery," the official told reporters this week.

On Friday, the Times of London reported that an elite Ukrainian drone unit had destroyed dozens of “priority targets” by attacking static Russian forces as they slept. That specialist unit within the army, named Aerorozvidka, has reportedly been striking vehicles, including tanks and trucks, since the invasion began on Feb. 24.

“We strike at night, when Russians sleep,” Yaroslav Honchar, the unit’s commander, said from his base in Kyiv.

The latest allocation of military aid came after Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky called on the West to “do more” in the fight against Moscow's aggression when he addressed Congress on Wednesday. In his speech, Zelensky invoked the horror of the 9/11 terror attacks as he pleaded for more military aid.

A bullet will kill a big, strong man as quickly as it will kill a small, weak man. They do not discriminate.

Yes, Captain Obvious… but if you know the Klitschko brothers, you might want to bring EXTRA ammo.

So Putin had a public rally today. And not one person put a bullet in his head. Shame.

Russia uses hypersonic missiles in strike on Ukraine arms depot

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-uses-hypersonic-missiles-strike-124054695.html

Putin is in 'F it' mode. first use of the hypersonic missiles. he just trying to lay waste.

Given the quality of troops they have in theater, it’s quite possible they tried and missed a bunch

It wasn’t even necessary. It would have been accomplished had he used just a standard missile. It wasn’t like Ukraine had set up advanced missile defense systems.

It’s another stupid move tactically as well. Gives a lot of intel to your peer adversaries. They seem to be the ones who like to walk around and brandish their shiny new toys like a bunch of beta males. China and us on the other hand seem pretty content to speak softly and carry a big stick, which I would think is the smarter approach.

That’s what happens when countries throw military parades showing off the new tech. Eventually you’re gonna have to use them.

And he had to use them against Ukraine of all countries. Now I’m wondering if he has another level he can reach, or has he already reached close to the peak of his capabilities? Hypersonic missiles was the new thing on the block, and Putin has already been forced to use them. If his top level is nuclear threats, then I can certainly see a situation where NATO is seriously considering running up in his territory.

I think we would see a special-ops taskforce sent in to take him out before a full on NATO attack on Russia. I think there is enough descent in Russia currently, that somebody would probably leave a few doors open and unguarded if we went that route. I also think it's getting more and more likely that the Russians take him out themselves. That's the best care scenario for the world.

here's a problem that i'm seeing with the ukraine situation....

i guess we're gonna ignore the atrocities going on in Myanmar for years now? we've rallied around ukraine so quick....but i dunno how aware people are of whats going on there. or maybe they are, and just dont care, cause it isn't europe.

Looks like Belarus is thinking of invading Ukraine now, in support of the Russians.

I see South Africa is on Putin's side now.

The Plot thickens.

It seems like Americans are already losing interest in Ukraine.

I am burnt out on it. Also, listening to the news talk about it....it stresses me out. So I spend less time watching the news.

As with everything else they have a short attention span and lack of focus. Even when some people do have a long attention span others act like that's a bad thing.

maybe. being connected all the time tends to make people's attention span shorten.

And I think they over report. I've been watching some SkyNews broadcasts on youtube, and they just report what is happening, no sensationalism, no opinions, just reporting what is happening.

also, i think its hard to be way over here and truly connect with whats happening. i seen more people talk about how lame the Bachelor finale was more than ukraine.

to be fair, the finale was kinda wack.