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Pretty sure no company wants a sex predator as the face of a franchise.

He probably is a sexual addict, he is not a sex predator, he was cleared of that accusation.

The guy hired masseurs from Instagram, was cleared by a grand jury, hired and going to be paid 230 million, what else do you need to know?

Many players enjoy sex professionals, I do not see any problem with that, its his life.

I know that youre in denial about him being a sex predator. But by all means sweep your morality and his under the rug to make yourself feel better.

You are the one in denial, I have no problem with people paying for happy endings, not a big deal in my case.

Apparently you have problems with people paying for sex, that is your problem.

Apparently you are not that bright. He did not pay anyone for a happy ending. Hence the lawsuits.

Just go to instagram and type masseur... stop being childish.

Just go read LexDawg's links and educate yourself with some of the facts of the case. Stop being childish.

The grand jury had access to all evidence and facts. After reviewing all evidences they found that DW had not committed any crime. Its not that hard to understand what happened.

Do you know why? Because it's he said she said. SHE can't prove anything. So it gets dismissed. However 22 women don't lie.

22 women may or may not lie. Prostitution and solicitation are still illegal in most places, so it wouldn't be in either side's interest to admit to that.

Maybe they are all lying. It would be just our luck for all of them (Watson included and on more counts) to end up in jail.

Again - this is not accurate. Eve just explained part of this. The Grand Jury didn't review evidence and say no crime was committed. They said they were not prosecuting. Totally 100% not the same thing, and the reason is just what Eve wrote. Any sex abuse case is incredibly hard to prove, and victims typically go through hell because the defendant tries to assassinate the victim and the entire defense is (overwhelmingly most of the time) all about victim blaming.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...ms-face-emotional-physical-consequences/

The grand jury reviews evidence. I don't know where some get the idea they don't? If the prosecution doesn't present some evidence to go to trial, they will get a no bill. Prosecutors will exclude exculpatory evidence because it isn't their job to build a defense.

On a side note, some people get all up in arms because it is 22 people. They feel it adds credence to level of the alleged crime.

It really adds nothing if all 22, or 500 people have the same story but can't offer anything in the way of proof. In the eyes of the uninformed public it adds, but in the eyes of the law it is meaningless.

We are in a bad way if nothing but accusation without proof is all it takes to ruin a life or put people in jail.

I highly doubt it.. I mean, the Cleveland Rape Crisis Center received over 1000 Donations since the DW signing.

If you owned a business that relies on the public impressions,,,, would you hire him to be your face? I'm not saying this kid is guilty.... but the impression is that he is. Right or wrong, I don't take the kinda chance....

Now, if my product were Trojans or something along those lines, I might make it happen

Good because I put in a low ball offer on the place

So because the Browns were looking at a potential upgrade at the position, Baker decided to take his ball and go home? I got no more use for him and I supported him since he got here. If he is that weak of mind and spirit then good riddance. Now, that is not that I think Watson was any better in his dealings with the Texans and I am hoping we are not going from bad to worse.

"Apparently you are not that bright. He did not pay anyone for a happy ending. Hence the lawsuits."

And from the testimony he didn't force them into doing it, and they didn't do it. I respect your opinion, but you are suggesting something that didn't actually happen.

Which is exactly what he blasted Duke Johnson for doing. Well, not exactly. Johnson waited until the team actually upgraded the position, not before it happened.

Punctuation doesn't seem to be your thing. Never has been.

I asked you a question. I asked if you supported the move. I'm surprised at your education level you didn't understand that. All I was trying to get you to do was state your position. Which in the Watson thread at that time you danced around doing. In the future try and remember that when some says, "Are you saying you support (Place topic here)" that's not an accusation. That's not an insinuation. That's a question.

Most people understand and know the function of a question mark this by the time they finish elementary school. Most certainly they know by the time they graduate high school. I'm sorry the education system you attended let you down. And I know you say you attended collage. If they gave you a degree without your understanding this basic, simple concept of punctuation marks and their meaning, they saw you coming and ripped you off.

But I still haven't seen you directly address the question. Maybe you do understand punctuation and are simply using this as a tactic to try and deflect attention back and me and continue to dodge the question. Who knows?

There are the strip clubs.

It's a he said/she said. You are suggesting you take the word of 1 guy over 22 women.

Numbers don't make statements any more true or false.

If one of the 22 could prove something, then you would be on to something. If none can prove the accusations, then it doesn't matter if 500 are making the claim.

I am not arguing with you. I am simply telling you how it works.

Actually it does matter. It's not conclusive - but it does actually matter. Both personally and in a courtroom.

They don't care. They would try and degrade and attack anyone and everyone to try and rationalize his pathetic behavior. And if they really had an ounce of dignity about them, they would at least make some attempt to find out who some of these women are. I'm not stupid enough to try and claim that 22 women must be some kind of scummy prostitutes to make myself feel better about having a predator as the Browns QB. But without much effort it's easy to check out the very first accuser of Watson's. She is not some cheap back room sleaze ball. She is licensed and very professional. There are zero reasons to question her reputation. But as you can see, they care nothing about reality. They only care about painting a picture that makes themselves feel better. Nothing in her background even hints at inappropriate behavior on her part.

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Have you even bothered to check out the standing or reputation of any of the women? Or isn't that a huge factor in this? And yes, the number helps give you the odds. When the accusations and pattern of conduct are similar and in a timeline it does matter. Or is there going to yet another far fetched conspiracy theory to try and smear the reputation of credible and reputable women?

Vagaro is like GrubHub but for health, fitness, and wellness businesses instead of food. It's not "her web site."

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Your 3rd reference is "nbatitlechase.com."

If you're going to reference websites to try to show that someone is reputable, you should probably use reputable sites and have your facts straight.

She could be a great person. Your alleged evidence doesn't really do anything to support that.

It seems like you only care about painting a picture that makes yourself feel better.

Yes. The first episode will have him placing a "Sexual Predator" sign outside the stadium.

And yours seems to be undermining someone you have no evidence deserves being questioned. Instead of trying to undermine her without any evidence, where's your evidence she isn't reputable and credible? Because I certainly have only found good and positive things about her.

Yes, when it involves a MULTI-millionaire and 22 women who masseuse all parts of the male and female body for a living. Plus, add in the lawyer who begs for more clients so he can make more money. PLEASE get real. Yes, Trump won the election AND Slick Willie never had sexual relations with Monica.....GO Browns!!!

Taking for granted that 22 women are lying and only Watson is the beacon of truth here is amazing.

I don't think he ever claimed she wasn't credible. He just questioned your sources that she is.

I guess people can only judge others based on their own thoughts/principals and who they are. This assumption that because they are massage therapists that they must then be some sleazy, next best thing to a sex worker, out to trap a rich guy and lie to get $$$ ... well it's says a lot.

My issue is that I can't seem to find anything that indicates she isn't reputable and credible. Yet we have some posters calling them nothing more than prostitutes. I find that very troubling.

I think there must be a book somewhere that makes it a man rule.

Sort of reminds me of the accusations against Brett M. Kavanaugh - politically motivated ..... could the Watson accusations be financially motivated (by the greedy lawyers) .... just saying, I'll wait for the investigation to finish then thank the Browns office or curse them.

When I don't know, I question. I don't just take a side on faith. A lack of evidence isn't proof. I'm admitting that I don't know. You are assuming based on a very minimal amount of information that you have available to you. You found good reviews that came from a website that pulls reviews from a website that she curates. She's not likely to leave bad reviews up on her own business page.

I'm trying to look at it scientifically, but there just aren't enough facts to come to any conclusions. In an absence of facts, I ask questions and pose possible scenarios.

I try not to make declarations of certainty based on my feelings and prejudices. Other people seem to have no problem expressing certainty with very little information.

Scientifically? Seriously, if you can't understand that in a scientific test that if the results give you a conclusion of 22-1, they find that compelling. The problem I see is that you are not looking for any indicators here. So far what we have is a bunch of people calling them prostitutes and sex workers as excuses with zero evidence they are not reputable. On the other hand we know several of them are licensed massage therapists with nothing I've seen to question their word. While it seems you do not find that any indication of guilt I have no idea why you wouldn't. It seems your view is to sit back and watch what happens while not attempting to look into it on your own. Do you have any legitimate reason by anything you actually know to be true about these women to question their validity?

And BTW- I'm not meaning to attack you over this. You are certainly more level headed about it than the moronic, "They're all a bunch of hookers" idiots.

No, I haven't. I am sure all parties involved in the case did their due diligence. You act like you are the only person who has looked in to matters.

I really do understand your position. I am not happy about it. I guess I just don't understand your seeming vengeance.

All's good. I don't hold it against you for feeling as you do. I know a lot of fans feel similar. I just think you don't need to be calling people morally deficient because they don't agree with your point of view.