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And scheduled to buy nearly 60% more, maybe this or next year. I think the Haslams are keeping a 30% stake.


As for Ward....I think the high guarantees will be reserved for the QB position for a while. Maybe always. Any problem with signing Ward will be a function of cap space.

Another thought. Is it even true the money has to go in to escrow? It makes some sense, but I have never heard about this with a contract that has some other amount guaranteed.

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That may not be the most unbiased source, but it does a decent job of explaining a potential situation that I was trying to get at.

Jimmy has a lot of wealth. It's probably not just sitting around in cash form, though.I don't know this, it's just a possibility. He could have swimming pools filled with hundred dollar bills just lying around, but I doubt it. It's probably not just sitting in a checking or savings account, either.

Marshon Lattimore whose overall contract has a similar value as spotrac puts on Ward got ~58M guaranteed.

Cool. If we can't sign Ward, we can't sign him. I don't think it will be a problem unless Ward wants too much. Then we move on, but that is next year.

I understand people of great wealth don't have millions sitting in a checking account. Even people of modest wealth don't. I'd say most people's wealth isn't liquid. If a average person owns a home, it is probable most of their wealth isn't liquid.

I also looked up the escrow situation. I didn't copy a link, but it said we had to put 169Mil in escrow based on some formula the NFL uses.

A Gators fan friend of mine thinks we should get Trayvon Walker . He is a hybrid D lineman and his number was 44 so theres that

Yes. Fully guaranteed money has to go in an escrow account.

And the 169M doesn't include the ~45M signing bonus that already went to Watson.

I added that after my first post but you probably replied before seeing the replay. 169 mil does. That amount probably fulfills the percentange necessary. That money will earn interest over the 4-5 years as it is drawn down.

I guess I don't see the problem. I would assume it works that way for all contracts, and that is the point. In the grand scheme, it all still revolves around the salary cap. Teams have been placing large sums in escrow for a long time.

My feeling is the biggest problem with other owners revolves around risk, and it is a risk.

In the end I don't think we will see teams throwing fully guaranteed contracts all over the board. I think it will mostly be limited to the top QB's. As an example, I don't think we will see running backs getting those contracts. Some positions are more susceptible to career ending or career limiting injury over other positions. One also has to think that teams can insure their investment to at least minimize the financial risk.

The percentage necessary is 100. The 169 is after his signing bonus and this year's pay.

It's not such a big deal for some owners, it would be for others. 169M after all other expenditures, after all other contracts, after all other improvements; for owners with a large part of their cash "tied up", would be impossible.

The bill is coming due for a guy (Ward) who has been injured quite a bit. I don't want to lose him because having 2 shutdown corners (Newsome played fantastic considering he was a rookie) PLUS depth in Greedy is a boon to any D. That said, unless he signs an extremely team-friendly deal, re-signing him plus doing all the other things we want to do (Clowney and another WR, for starters) is going to be tough. Not that I want to trade him, but I'll still point out that his trade value is sky-high right now. Stats are trending in the right direction and he's put some space between now and his last injury.

I wouldn't be shocked if we were to move him for a high draft pick.

I don't see us letting an in his prime pro bowl caliber CB go. That's a position worth investing in. When Newsome is up for his second contract and Ward is approaching 30, that's when I'd consider trading him. Hopefully after/with the intention of replacing his spot with a new version of Newsome/Ward.

That makes much more sense to me than trading him now.

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Both are sizeable WR's. 6'3" and 6'4".

Same here. So much depends as to whether we get Landry and Clowney back. IMO, DT is in play as well as a WR or DE depending on holes to fill....

I hope if we are looking to draft Christain Watson, it's for day three, because having poor ball skills is not good for a DB ... but it is a must for a WR.

I don't pay much attention to drop rates. Somewhere that is a subjective call. Some of those calls have to be in the gray area. Even if 1 person is making all the decisions on that, it isn't going to be consistent.

I'm intrigued by Ebiketie...but there are a lot of garbage teams in the B1G to feast on. Did I read somewhere that he put on some good weight recently? His game tape is certainly worthy.

There is a lot to like about DE Arnold Ebiketie ... however he is already 23 years old, which is passed our draft guard rails, so he would be an exception to that rule.

Of note:

Christain Watson's drop rates are obviously not good, and that's before adjusting for his poor level of competition too.

imo ... it's Pickens small body of work and not his ACL (see Jameson Williams) keeping him from being seen as a first round pick ... but also it's my opinion this is a media driven narrative and not one shared by those in the FOs' who will make the final decisions.

But, yes Pickens falling to us in the 2nd round would be (such a Browns thing) as welcome as JOK was in last year's draft.

I think that we will eventually sign another veteran receiver, so WR is not such a high priority in this years draft as it still is with many others after we trading for Cooper, and I'm not as high on this years class of WRs' either, as some others are ... that said,

Pickens is the one WR I would have a hard time passing on @44.

I like Pickens.

I think you are wrong about this years receiver class. It is very deep. So deep it wouldn't concern me much if we didn't take a receiver until the 4th round.

I may be a little different about receivers. I don't need the big names. I just care if they can get open and catch the ball in the short area..

I don't need 70 yard TD grabs. A 12 yard catch for a 1st down works for me.

It's deep in mediocrity, there are very few (X) receiver types, with mostly (Z) and slot types.

44. Cleveland Browns | Houston DL Logan Hall

78. Cleveland Browns | South Carolina EDGE Kingsley Enagbare

99. Cleveland Browns | Nevada WR Romeo Doubs

I'd like that draft. Doubs is a guy I have mentioned who I like who can become a productive NFl receiver. Maybe even fall in to the steal category, though he might need to be selected at 78 if we really want him. 99 might be cutting it a bit close IMO.

I see Berry making a move up. He is a mover and shaker on draft day...I don't know if it will be into the first round....But I can definitely see a move up in the second if they have pegged a guy. I like a bunch of the names thrown out at WR. I am afraid I have not looked at the DT's a closely so will stick with WR. It wouldn't surprise me if Berry goes with Best on the board regardless of position. But looking at WR...the Comparison to Landry (I think it was Dotson to Landry) it's funny...because I feel the exact same way about Metchie...Not only in style of play, but also in situation and more importantly personality/attitude. Landry was undervalued, I think Metchie is as well even with the ACL. Metchie appears to be like Jarvis in that he will do everything to prove the doubters wrong. I can just see him as that guy people overlooked int he draft that comes out and catches people off guard and catches fire. That being said of all the WR's mentioned...the one that Intrigues me most is Christian Watson. Not just because of his measurables. He is a late bloomer as far as body size, comes from an FCS school but overwhelmed some really good DB's at the Senior Bowl. His size and speed does not come around often and I honestly think he has more potential than Treylon Burks(sp)....Burks has better speed than he showed at the combine...but I still think Watson has a higher ceiling. JMO. I also love his back story and it shows a work ethic and desire that fits in with what we look for. It is a possibility that if we really want him we will have to move up to get him.

As far as TE...I would love to get our hands on Ruckert. He is a really good run blocker that I think is undervalued as a pass catcher...Not sure he is worth the 44....but would like him and I think he would fit our scheme well.

I can hear Jimmy Donovan now as Doubs is sprinting towards the goal line... "Romeo, Oh!!, Romeo!!

W/ Watson's issues are more than his uneven hands ... he has poor ball tracking skills too.

But he will still be drafted somewhere on day two. I just hope that if we take him it is with the 99th pick and not before ... as a former WR, I have a problem with poor hands when it comes WRs' even if they run fast ... See Schwartz for an example.

Got links to those reports on him? would be interested in reading them. I didn't hear about any hands issues...I did hear that sometimes he doesn't time his jumps well...The negatives I heard were that and limited route tree...basically things that are coachable. And even on the route tree they said against the better DB's at the Senior Bowl he was really working them on the top of the routes and giving them a real hard time...

Thanks...hmm interesting tho...and not trying to stick up for Watson but a thing I see in many scouting reports where they mention positives and negatives that are essentially the same thing or sometime ARE the same thing...

In this case he adjusts easily to balls outside his frame but has bad ball tracking...how do you do one without the other?

Does it mention when those drops were....Early in his time there. consistently...all last year???? LOL But I agree that ball tracking and hands are a concern for me. I don't care how fast you are...if you can get open and catch the ball, I like you for my team (which is why I was always a Brian Brennan Fan...)

My questions on drops is this....16 drops on 120 catchable targets raises a caution flag of sorts. How many drops would be a good number? I would assume it is more than 0, so how many more drops does the guy have over what would be considered OK?

I also discount some counted drops. Who makes that determination? At least to me, at least a few that are called drops by some guy watching film probably weren't out and out drops. There are some legit reasons why a guy looks to drop a catchable ball.

How many times have we seen a thrown ball hit a guy in the face? Was it because he is a dummy who likes to look like a fool, or is it that maybe the QB had to throw it a bit early or a defender shielded his view until BAM, it was there.