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I didn't see Verse tell people how to post. On the contrary.

Maybe, and maybe a little dumb.

J/C

Is he a sex addict? Or has he just regularly been offered more sex by more attractive women than everyone on the board put together?

When he talked about social media being a factor, it got me thinking. It seems like everyone assumes that DeShaun was the one seeking these massage therapists out. While that's a possibility and may be true in some instances, it seems to me that in most cases social media makes it easier for average Joes/Janes to connect with celebrities than vice versa. For a massage therapist, an NFL QB would be a catch. One could be put on retainer/salary instead of working on an assembly line-like series of appointments. In the modern digital environment, entertainers/online "service providers" bring in most of their money by seeking out "patrons."

I think it would be enlightening to see the direct messages Watson and the women exchanged. They could have been initiated by Watson asking for services. It could also have started with a "Try my services, and we'll see what happens" from the other side.

It's been indicated that many of the women have scrubbed their social media accounts. If this is truly the case, it begs the question why?

While most players don't have multiple massage therapists, most players don't have 1.5 million followers on Instagram.

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The presser didn't change my mind,, I think where there is smoke, there is fire...reminds me of the saying that nothing good happens when you are out at 3 am.. All that's meant to teach us is, "Don't put yourself in a position to get in trouble"

If he wanted legit massages, he should have used the resources that I'm sure the Texans had available... for me, it's clear he was looking for a "happy ending"!

Now, having said that, I do better understand the reasons they didn't speak to the women involved. Berry explained that and it seemed reasonable,. He also explained that they hired outside services to dig deep into the women and the allegations.

Of course, when asked if he thought Watson was innocent, Berry responded with "we believe in Deshaun"... would not say he thought he was innocent..

Also for me, Watson wasn't believable when discussing his legal issues...

Now, I have a question.

If two different grand juries wouldn't indict him, what is the league reviewing to decide if they should suspend him?

The local media is a discussing group of (self righteous) reprobate minds and are in no way indicative of the fan base at large.

Peradventure how his presser might have gone in Atlanta or NO?

There’s no doubt that these dudes have FLOCKS of girls trying to get with them. I’m sure their DMs are flooded. That’s not saying he didn’t do inappropriate or immoral things, but I think there are examples of girls reaching out to athletes too.

Vers, long time no see! Hope you have been well.

well if we are to believe Watson then that would mean 22/22 (100% of women) are liars! this is how the law of averages work....

Most/if not all have JUDGED DW already....he alluded to that fact when he talked about his BRAND, sadly- too many of these guys are all about their brand- MONEY. It makes the world go round. Pats owner Kraft, he wasn't fined or suspended was he for his massage parlor incidents in Florida- Watson isn't some cheap player anymore- he's got hundreds of millions of dollars at his disposal- NFL fines or suspends him on he said/she said incidents with NO other real evidence- I don't care if ten thousand women claim he did something- money corrupts, and millions of women want a piece of what he's got.....NFL could be SUED bigtime.....sure hope football changes the news....GO Browns!!!

As you can plainly see, people have their minds made up. Watching the mental gymnastics people will have to go through as this all unfolds will be fun to watch. Nowhere in there did I so much as suggest teaching anyone anything. I have been friends with many people on this board for many years and in some cases decades. So no, I'm not going anywhere. Once again you've taken something away from a post that wasn't suggested or implied. I hope you have it straight now.

That's a new spin on having a basic, minimum standard of a moral compass.

When you consider the fact that people in prison get released because they end up proving their innocence and guilty men are sometimes never convicted, you have nothing.

Yet another lie. But that's what you get when standing up for women who are sexually assaulted by a star athlete. Not only do the women get undermined, so do their supporters. It says more about the character of the attackers than anything else. Disgusting.


Yeah, it's the same thing. Get a clue.


I think anyone who can't see what a basic moral compass looks like has their own issues. And reading your post shows they're on full display.

And here we are back to the disgusting once again. The old, "every massage therapist is basically a prostitute or sex worker" stupidity. And nobody objected to these claims. What the hell happened to you people?

Yes, a sleazy massage parlor known for happy endings. Where no woman accused him of sexual misconduct. You do realize that's the issue here don't you? It's not about sex or paying for sex. You do understand that's not the same thing, right?


Oh we're well aware. And then Bull Dawg would be telling us those numbers don't mean anything. We're all well aware.

Isn't "calling people out" very similar to "teaching them a lesson"?

Teaching someone a lesson means they were taught something. I don't think that will be the case here. No, they are most certainly not the same thing.

Does DW only use female masseuses? Has he been asked why he prefers females?

I'm not saying Watson is pure.....nobody but he and GOD knows the truth. You've judged him. A lot has been made about the 40 massage therapists. If you've been in Houston for 5yrs...quick math - he changed workers every 45 days. I wonder how many solicitations a single multimillionaire puts up with a week. Just saying, he's innocent until proven guilty......and we know lawyers are only after looking out for the best people....please Sidney "release the Kraken"....GO Browns!!!!

Actually, the law of averages would indicate that if these women were all lying, the next woman to claim sexual misconduct would be more likely to be telling the truth. As Google puts it the law of averages is:
If we are to believe Watson, these 22 women would be liars. Not all women. All women, all accusers, etc.- any group has variation within it. If you gathered a million apples, you'd likely be able to find 22 wormy, rotten apples. That doesn't mean all apples are wormy and rotten. The averages don't apply when picking specific apples. The question is, could Buzbee have gone looking for wormy apples? If that's the case, it's not an unbiased sample of the larger population.

Honestly, it feels like you're the one not considering the first part of your own statement.

What if I rounded up 22 people to say they are?

You just explained why numbers matter.

In your example, start at 2 and go up from there. Every time you go along the law of averages says the next one is more probable of being truthful. It's not a guarantee. Just odds. And proof numbers make a difference.

That would be fine. But you're now making a claim that something happened you don't have the evidence to support.

According to you, all jfan would need to do is find 22 people to say that.

I've judged that 22 women aren't all lying. For me to believe differently I would have to come to the conclusion they all are lying. That's a much further stretch than what many seem to be supporting.

I disagree with the basic premise stated about the law of averages.
If you flip a quarter and it lands heads up 22 times in a row, the odds that it will land heads up on the next flip is 50/50. It is unchanged by the previous 22 flips.
If 22 people are lying about something and a 23rd person comes along, those 1st 22 have zero impact on whether that 23rd person is going to lie or tell the truth.

(Not saying any of the 22 accusing DW are lying. Basing my statements off the original premise presented earlier in this thread)

Except the law of averages is actually a spurious belief that is a variation of the gambler's fallacy. The odds of a particular event are independent of any previous unconnected event or set of events. You can flip a quarter 50 times and get 50 heads. The odds are unlikely, but the odds have no bearing on what actually happens. The "odds" are even less reliable when looking at things that aren't purely chance. Each individual involved in a sexual assault case is different, the probability of each woman being truthful or lying varies. People involved in sexual assault cases can have vastly different motivations. These aren't random hypothetical situations. These are actual events with evidence to support or gainsay them.

You mean he would have to go out and "find them". There would be no pattern, no timeline. I guess one could believe that this attorney sought out a bunch of women willing to lie, fed them a story to repeat, synchronize all of their stories to fit into a pattern and timeline then try to convince people it happened. But as you can see, that's a pretty far fetched conclusion to reach.

And I notice you have never taken a stand on the situation. Why is that? Anything you would like to say? Or are you just here to make a comment without taking a stand either way? Seems to be what you have done this far.

You mean he's doing the same thing these women have done?

And the point is, that even if a few of them are telling the truth that's enough. I haven't seen anyone claim they're all telling the truth. Just that all 22 of them aren't lying. Your three ring circus of trying to make that sound like a logical possibility is nothing short of ridiculous.

Maybe you missed it.

I was against signing DW. Baker would be fine, if healthy, imo.

My opinion doesn't matter. DW is signed, baker will be gone.

I'm still a BROWNS fan. And unlike you, with no proof other than "he said she said", I will not belabor the point ad nauseum, constantly.

Not unless you've chosen to call all 22 of them liars. Which seems to be what your post is indicating. Their evidence is their experiences. It seems you have chosen to advocate on the side that denies all of their validity in favor of the validity of DW. That defies a logical conclusion.

So your conclusion is that all 22 of these women are lying? Because you've never said a word bout this side of the discussion. And still haven't. I take it you were good at dodge ball in school?

j/c:

This came across my twitter timeline most likely because of someone I follow, but I'm a a quarter of the way through it and think it is a good listen to share. It's a lawyer answering questions regarding the case from his opinion and experience and, so far, it comes across as pretty unbiased considering his twitter account says he is a Browns' fan. Admittedly, I do not know anything about Moohead radio but apparently, it is Browns-specific amateur talk show so feel free to judge the source of this interview as you deem fit. The lawyer, based out of DC, seems very measured from what I gather so far. Anyways, feel free to listen. Oh, and if anyone knows about Moorhead radio (weird name) I'd be curious to know more about this channel.

My intention was to illustrate the inconsistency of your logic. I wasn't making a declaration of my belief because I don't yet have a firm one.

I'm not on a side. I'm seeing that both sides appear possible. At first glance, Watson lying seemed more possible. The more I dig, the more murky the other side gets.

I don't think you understand the difference between logic and probability.

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I haven't claimed to come to a logical or any kind of conclusion because there is too much uncertainty surrounding my knowledge of the situation.

However, I do feel confident commenting on the lack of logic in your arguments.

Remember, Watson said he was "hands on."

I just did. And what the hell does it matter? I can't change anything. YOU can't change anything.

Quit putting words in others mouths. You do it constantly.

You, a non Browns fan now, are here to simply argue.

Maybe Watson's just a WORMY APPLE!