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You mean like that?

Ha, you’re smarter than I am for keeping it over here vs PP. I had kind of gone dark in this forum for a little bit because I was trying to process the Watson signing, but I’ll try to come around here more.

Baker lost me as a supporter when he came out and said he was going to kneel during the NA for the entire season (maybe longer), then turned around later that summer and changed his position on it. Methinks that Progressive Insurance threatened him with dropping him and his endorsements, so he did a 180. At least stick to your guns when you make a bold statement like kneeling, even if I don't agree

If a guy flip flopping on whether to take a knee lost you - which I can understand, but it seems a little harsh - but if that makes you 'switch off' ... what is your feeling with our new QB? 40-50 different massage therapists in a short time frame, having sex with many or most of them, 22 civil cases hanging over him? Does he get a clean slate because he didn't do those things as a Brown? Is changing your mind over kneeling worse than the situation with Watson because the situation with Watson so unclear and not 100% transparent? Just curious - and to repeat earlier statements - whatever someone's feelings about Watson are, I'm not criticizing, but I am interested in clarity of people's thought process.

At this point it looks like Kapernick is drawing more interest with teams needing a QB..

Yeah, that's it. That's why Kap has been out of the league for years now. Because he's drawn so much interest.

You are here for the fight again.

More: a greater or additional amount or degree of.

While someone speculative it does appear there is MORE interest in Colin than in Baker currently. That is not to say there is a lot of interest in Colin, just that there appears to be more interest in Colin than Baker. Which is actually kinda sad for Baker.

Based on what? If you would like to address the issue feel free to. Kap has had these same type of workout shows in the past since being cut and no team has made him any type of legitimate offer. That speaks for itself. So if you have a basis for your claim feel free to show it. Otherwise it seems it's you who came here to start a fight.

I have no problem people bringing legitimate debate to the table. But the facts are Kap has done this kind of thing before and still isn't on an NFL roster.

I've also seen the little snippets about how teams are supposedly inquiring about Kap, but I take that with a high degree of skepticism/suspicion. There are clearly people who stand to benefit from manufacturing interest around Kap, and those are usually the sources behind those articles.

I did use the word "speculative" because at this point it is.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...t-colin-kaepernick-according-to-trainer/

While speculative 5 teams maybe having an interest seems to be MORE than interested in Baker. You skipped the word MORE in your original reply as it would not let you have your agenda and argument.

MORE is comparative, if 5 teams have an interest in Colin and 4 in Baker that fits the definition of more. You used the word MUCH which quantitative. No one said here was MUCH interest, just MORE. As you are so fond of saying "reading comprehension is important."

The bottom line is someone said something about Baker and it doesn't fit your agenda so you get snarky and fight about it. Baker is likely not to ever play another down for this team, he isn't our QB anymore.

Here is the actual quote from the Kap's personal trainer that the comment was based on.....
So the actual man who is promoting Kap didn't even claim it was five teams but a few teams and only stated that they asked how his arm looked. Even Kap himself didn't claim it was five teams.

But see, you are the person who hasn't been paying attention. I've openly stated that Watson is a better QB than Baker. That he is most certainly the better QB between the two. And of course he isn't the Browns QB anymore. Like I said, stating things that are based in fact I have no problem with. Just throwing out unsubstantiated rumors and things not based in fact is what I have an issue with.

But thanks for playing.

So teams have reached out to se if Colin is available, it doesn't appear anyone has any interest in Baker. Some is MORE than none.

Also I did say it was speculative. Speculative = Unsubstituted rumors. Do you have any concrete evidence that teams are inquiring about Baker at this juncture? Yeah, no didn't think so. You are trying to argue I am not paying attention yet part of your argument is what I already said.

I know for you it is all about the fight. Win = last word for you. I will let you win this one. Get your last word. See if you can do it without being snarky though, but you won't. And you will, yet again, self-aggrandize.

What team didn't know Kap was available? I think every team in the NFL knew he was "available" and that's not even what was said. I'll repeat what the article said once again since it seems it hasn't sunk in yet. ""A few teams have reached out to me and asked how his arm looked," Robinson said. "They have reached out and asked about him."

That really isn't speculative. The fact that no one associated with Kap including his trainer said that five teams inquired about him isn't speculative. Unless of course that's what you call a totally unsubstantiated rumor at best.

I don't have to win something when you've defeated yourself. You see Kap is a FA that can be signed for free. The NFL is waiting ion Baker to be cut so they don't have to pay 19 million for his services. He'll either be on the coach getting paid or he'll be cut. But let's not discuss facts when twisting what was said to begin with.

I'm not sure how I never saw this 2016 story before now, but it's kind of interesting to go back and read in light of all that has transpired with Mayfield:

ABC/ESPN Baker Piece: "All He Needs Is Hate"

I do recall Baker still not being tall enough to get on the rides
At Cedar Point. Maybe he should give up.on being.a NFL.QB
And.try his hand at MLB. He is.still.enough young enough
To get a tryout from the Pirates. Baker.could be.in Triple A
By next year and be their starting SS in 2 yrs.
Its a win win. Mayfield can make under 2 million a year for a cheap owner and the Pirates
Beat writers can continue to keep his chip on.shoulder
Narrative alive and well.

I was more looking at his departure from Texas Tech. He had injury issues during his record setting true freshman season and only played eight games. Davis Webb started the other 5 games and put up similar numbers. Kingsbury decided to hold a competition going into the next season instead of just giving Baker back his job, which ultimately led to Baker transferring.

I wonder if that experience led to him playing through his injuries last year.

Durning the 2017 draft Hue Jackson called DW and told him we were drafting him at #12 if I remember correctly. Then I don't know what happened but obviously we didn't. He should have been a Brown from the get go.

Public service announcement for all the Baker fans. They are replaying the Steelers game
Week 17. Big Bens last home game. My god Schwartz is worse than I thought.

He was a 3rd rounder. Blame Stefanski for playing him.

j/c...

Podcast is out.

I can understand why Baker feels disrespected. He also is going the Hue Jackson route of not taking responsibility for anything. If Baker is looking to start somewhere I’m not sure how this helps.

My thoughts exactly.

How can someone of reasonable intelligence be so clueless.

Agreed. There is nothing wrong with being upset they way things unraveled in 2021 and being salty someone took your job. That's natural as far as I am concerned. However, the "I'd like to boo the $#!+ out of someone in a cubicle" is a rather stupid thing to say and probably doesn't get teams chomping at the bit to come get you.

Apparently Baker said he'd love to come to someone's cubicle and boo them.

How can anyone continue to defend this immaturity?

I get the point he's trying to make there but... why?

Because he's immature and because he's exactly like the guy he hated, Hue Jackson.

Nothing is ever Baker's fault.

Oh my gosh how could the Browns move on.from.this QB
I mean all he did was lead the league in completion % before
He made that stupid attempted tackle vs the Texans
The Browns will be sorry they let him go.
Baker outplayed all AFC North QBs last year. !!!

We do this at work all the time... keeps people on their toes.

What.

So as yet I have not listened to the podcast .... but to date, I'm not sure I have ever heard Baker point blame elsewhere throughout his career with the Browns. You could say that he said some salty things at the end of last year after playing hurt for 16 weeks and being pissed off with KS .... other than that I don't recall him pointing fingers. He most certainly could have jumped on the narrative many were pushing when OBJ engineered his way out of town and Baker could have said OBJ was running the wrong routes, not in the right place at the right time and was dropping catchable balls ... but he didn't.

And - I don't think talking about booing people at their cubicles has anything to do with blaming someone else for something either.

So unless their is something else in the Podcast where Bake is throwing folks under the bus, I'll be left to assume this is another Vers like piece of revisionist history and simply making stuff up.

I'm debating whether or not to actually listen to the podcast. I probably should now that I've failed to stay out of this conversation.


It's 'whatever' to me since nothing good was going to come of this podcast anyway, so my expectations are low.

I am that same place you are. If someone on here that has a balanced perspective on Baker says there is something worth listening to - good or bad - I'll listen. I'd be shocked if there is anything of substance in there - I think Baker has shown the world his ass with the handling of this situation. I don't care about Baker's feelings. I don't care about what the team did or didn't say to him. Just get on with sorting out where your next team/home will be and move on. Throwing toys out of prams - no matter how seemingly justified in your head - is just not a good look.

A part of me wouldn't doubt that Baker is doing this to lower his trade value, forcing the Browns into a bad deal just to screw them over for how he was treated

I am going to have to resort to reading excerpts of the podcast because those were four unlikable dudes and I couldn't get past 3 minutes.

I did listen to NFL Live today and they were talking about how Baker felt disrespected. Seriously? Did Jarvis cry when he was cut? Did Hooper whine when he was traded? Did Mack Wilson? How about the thousands of other guys who have been moved on from? But no, sinister folks like WSU, 888, Pit, etc talk about how the Browns did Baker wrong. How do you spell hypocrite?

Hey Baker............remember when you trashed Duke Johnson and used the words "self-inflicted?" Another glaring example of hypocrisy.

How was he treated? And I pray to God for his sake that he isn't that ignorant. I actually don't think he is ignorant. I think he is an emotional midget, but not a mental midget even though 888 once again purposely misquoted me. I wonder if guys like him will follow Baker out of town? Calgary anyone?

I should've said how he thinks he was treated.