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Anderson's emergence has Browns among '07 surprises
Vic Carucci By Vic Carucci | NFL.com

When it comes to projecting quarterback success, NFL teams have had some colossal misses.

They missed on Tom Brady, who went from sixth-round draft choice to two-time Super Bowl MVP. They missed on Kurt Warner, who went from undrafted free agent to two-time NFL MVP and one-time Super Bowl MVP.

So Derek Anderson, who emerged from virtually nowhere to rank among the league's top quarterbacks this year, has reason to feel he's in pretty good company.

"Other than the fact that I haven't won a Super Bowl," the unlikely star of the surprising Cleveland Browns said. "But those guys have obviously worked their way up the charts and have done great things, and I guess you'd say they were in the similar situation I was in. It didn't always look bright, but they always just kept fighting. Shoot, Kurt Warner was bagging groceries and he ended up winning the Super Bowl two years later or whatever."

Like Brady, Anderson was a sixth-round pick. Like Warner, he washed out with one NFL team before getting an opportunity to begin building an impressive resumé.

"The things that they have done should inspire everybody, (especially) a late-round pick or a guy who didn't get an opportunity right away, to always keep fighting and keep grinding," Anderson said. "And if you have the abilities, everything else will sort its way out in the end."

It took Anderson a little while to show the Browns' decision-makers that he had those abilities after they claimed him off waivers from the Baltimore Ravens on Sept. 21, 2005. The Ravens had selected the Portland, Ore., native and Oregon State product on the on the next-to-last round of the '05 draft.


Anderson didn't take a snap as a rookie. Although he did some solid work in three starts in place of injured Charlie Frye at the end of the 2006 season (including a stretch against Baltimore when he completed 13 consecutive passes, tying him for fifth in Browns history), Anderson couldn't keep the No. 1 spot entering this year. He struggled during an intrasquad scrimmage on Aug. 3, and was unable to find his groove for more than two weeks thereafter.

Through 13 possessions in the preseason, Anderson led the Browns to five field goals and no touchdowns. Not that Frye was much better, producing a field goal and a touchdown in 11 series. The most eye-popping performance of the summer came from Brady Quinn, the second of the Browns' first-round draft picks. He was a superstar from Notre Dame, an Ohio native, and considered the long-awaited savior of the franchise.

But the Browns weren't comfortable with thrusting the rookie into starting lineup at the beginning of the year. It was widely speculated that he would likely get his chance a month or so into the season. Frye, another Ohio native and former University of Akron standout, was a hometown favorite and the Browns' third-round pick in '05. He got the nod for the season opener against the Pittsburgh Steelers. Anderson was a "little disappointed," but the coaches encouraged him to keep working and told him his opportunity could eventually come. Maybe it would be early in the season, maybe late.

It came early. Two days after floundering in the Browns' 34-7 loss to Pittsburgh, Frye was promptly shipped to Seattle in exchange for a sixth-round draft pick. Anderson moved to No. 1 on the quarterback depth chart, although there was still a belief in league circles that he would merely keep the seat warm for a few weeks until Quinn was deemed ready to start.

Eight games later, Quinn has faded into a virtual afterthought. At 5-4, the Browns are in the thick of the race for an AFC wild-card playoff spot. And Anderson has played the largest role in getting them there. He ranks fourth in the NFL with 20 touchdown passes and sixth in the AFC with a passer rating of 90.7 as he prepares to lead the Browns into their Week 11 AFC North showdown against the Ravens at Baltimore.

Through it all, Anderson has remained well grounded. He sees no reason to become consumed with any individual accomplishments because he is well aware of how quickly things change in the NFL.

"As long as we win games and guys are working hard, I'm happy with all that," he said. "I honestly don't really get too caught up in the rest of it. If you get too high in the high points, those low points will come. You can't get too fired up, because sometimes it's the same people that want to make you king that also want to make you fired."

Anderson liked the days, during his first two seasons with the Browns, when he could go around Cleveland in relative anonymity.

"You could go to the mall and just hang out," he said. "My wife (Lisa) and I would just walk around, meandering, and nobody would even look at me twice."

Now, Anderson can count on being stopped to sign an autograph or pose for a picture. That's what happens when you routinely throw scoring strikes, when you show strong command on the field, when you provide hope that your team has a chance to win every game it plays. Anderson has outdueled Carson Palmer and Matt Hasselbeck in shootout victories over Cincinnati and Seattle. He seemed on the verge of pulling off an upset when he threw three first-half touchdown passes in Cleveland's Week 10 rematch against the Steelers, but the Browns squandered a 21-9 lead on the way to a 31-28 loss.

"The thing that impressed me the most about him is how he's learned and picked things up," Browns offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski said of Anderson. "He's a guy who, when he makes mistakes, he corrects them and he comes back and you don't see him have the same issues and the same problems."

Amy Sancetta / Associated Press
Derek Anderson has been helped by the relative health of talented pass catchers Braylon Edwards (17) and Kellen Winslow.

It helps that Anderson has dynamic pass-catchers in No. 1 receiver Braylon Edwards (tied for second in the league with 10 touchdown catches), tight end Kellen Winslow Jr., and No. 2 wide out Joe Jurevicius.

"It all starts with confidence in what those guys are doing," Anderson said. "When I know where those guys are, I don't have to worry about it. It makes a lot of things easier. I just go back there and, it's, 'He's open, he's open, he's not.' I'm just going through my progressions and trying to use the backs more. I think just the longer I've been playing, the more comfortable that I get with the whole situation."

It also helps that the Browns' offense is similar to the wide-open scheme that Anderson ran under coach Mike Riley at Oregon State.

"Throwing the ball downfield is a big thing for us," he said. "The coaches put us in good situations. Game plans are good. They have everybody on the right page during the week, and the communication is good."

And it helps that Anderson is a towering 6-foot-6, allowing him to see over behemoth linemen as he scans the secondary, and shows good arm strength and accuracy.

"He's always had the physical tools," Chudzinski said. "I think he's really made his mind up that he wants to be an NFL quarterback. He puts the time in and studied and he's shown really excellent leadership qualities in how he's relating with his teammates in both demanding things from them as well as encouraging and all of those things you need out of the quarterback position.

"He's done a good job of getting the ball off. He makes quick decisions and he's accurate in the way he's throwing the ball. And he can spin the ball and throw it with velocity. He's also doing a better job of working on his touch passes."

Anderson's performance has created a potential dilemma for the Browns. After this season, he becomes a restricted free agent. The Browns could sign him to a lengthy contract extension, but would probably be unwilling to pay him huge money because of their commitment to Quinn. It seems more likely that they would sign Anderson to a one-year tender offer, giving them the right for one week to match an offer sheet he receives from another team. A tender of $2.017 million is worth a first-round choice, while a tender of $1.417 is worth a second-rounder. As desperate as many other teams are for a quality starter, Anderson would figure to attract plenty of attention, and the Browns probably will receive trade inquiries for Anderson and Quinn.

Despite the awkwardness of the situation, Anderson and Quinn have a strong working relationship and are supportive of each other. But their conversations mostly center on football. They find it best to steer clear of their respective futures with the Browns.

"Obviously, we both understand that whole situation," Anderson said. "I think you've just got to let that stuff kind of play its way out. It makes things a lot easier when you come in every day knowing that a guy wants you to do well and has got your back. Obviously, he wants to play as well and he wants to get better and if it was the reverse roles, I'd be trying to help him."

Anderson harbors no bitterness toward the Ravens. He is grateful for the opportunity they gave him to play in the NFL and still has friends on the team.

But his mission is to do everything he can to help the Browns make their first playoff appearance since a 36-33 wild-card loss to Pittsburgh after the 2002 season. A season sweep of the Ravens, whom they beat on Sept. 30, would be a significant step in that direction.

"I feel really good about the guys that we have here," Anderson said. "You just kind of get a different feel. Guys are putting a little extra in, guys have a little more pep in practice. Coach (Romeo Crennel) always tell us, 'Continue what we're doing, stay on pace, prepare for every single game as if it is the most important game, and don't get ahead of ourselves.' If we do that, I think things will hopefully turn out in our favor."

Good story and good read.

1st nice read. Thanks for the post.

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"The thing that impressed me the most about him is how he's learned and picked things up," Browns offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski said of Anderson. "He's a guy who, when he makes mistakes, he corrects them and he comes back and you don't see him have the same issues and the same problems."

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I believe that this statement is very true, DA has shown that he can have a flaw in his game, and work at it and improve. Equally important he has taken the things he has learned to the field. The poor decisions he made at the start of the season have vastly improved.

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"He's done a good job of getting the ball off. He makes quick decisions and he's accurate in the way he's throwing the ball. And he can spin the ball and throw it with velocity. He's also doing a better job of working on his touch passes."

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I don't agree here, sorry Chud I think your being less then honest here. DA has made great strides in his play no question there, and while I would agree he now throws the ball where he needs too. Meaning he throws it where his guy has the best shot at catching the ball, and away from the defender. Not always but most of the time. He seems to be able to pick up on DB's that have there backs to him really well, and will fit the ball into what you would consider tight coverage but for the fact that the DB has his back to him. He will burn DB's that don't look back, and has been very very good at it. He is far from accurate however he has a horrid completion percentage, and in most instances where it's needed he lacks good touch. He has a great arm, no question there, but I would never accuse DA of having touch. He really needs a lot of work in this area IMHO. I honest to God can't remember him hitting a quick slant, and generally his throws in this area are to far ahead or behind his reciever. The touch pass is his biggest weakness followed closely by accuracy on his slant throws. he has shown at times that he leads his recievers very well, but not on slants.

I like DA, I think he will only get better from here. These are the things I see, that I don't like about him as of this moment, and simply put he must improve in these areas. I have the utmost confidence that he will continue to work to improve in these areas. However I think our future lies with Brady Quinn. I could be wrong but I think BQ is the better QB, and as effective as DA has been I think BQ will do better.

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I don't agree here, sorry Chud I think your being less then honest here. DA has made great strides in his play no question there, and while I would agree he now throws the ball where he needs too. Meaning he throws it where his guy has the best shot at catching the ball, and away from the defender. Not always but most of the time. He seems to be able to pick up on DB's that have there backs to him really well, and will fit the ball into what you would consider tight coverage but for the fact that the DB has his back to him. He will burn DB's that don't look back, and has been very very good at it. He is far from accurate however he has a horrid completion percentage, and in most instances where it's needed he lacks good touch. He has a great arm, no question there, but I would never accuse DA of having touch. He really needs a lot of work in this area IMHO. I honest to God can't remember him hitting a quick slant, and generally his throws in this area are to far ahead or behind his reciever. The touch pass is his biggest weakness followed closely by accuracy on his slant throws. he has shown at times that he leads his recievers very well, but not on slants.

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PERFECT description of Anderson...Good pull man...

This is exactly why we CANNOT even think of signing this dude long term until the END of the season...These are things he may never fix...And I for one believe he will always be a 50-55% completion QB...It's just the way he is...It is what it is...And has NUTTIN to do with throwing DEEP...

I have a feeling he's gonna continue his good play the rest of the way...We play alot of BS defenses the rest of the way starting with a decrepid secondary in Baltimore...We should see quite a few 300 yard 3TD games from him...And that's a GREAT THING for us...

The better he plays the rest of the way...The better the chances of us getting that 1st rounder for him...

BTW...Whoever it was that implied we FRANCHISE TAG him is on CRACK's BROTHER...There ain't a team in the league dumb enuff to give ANYONE 2 1st rounders for almost ANY player let alone Anderson...

Looking at teams who might be interested is giving us a top 20 pick...

Atlanta--7
Minny--8
KC--12
Carolina--14
Chicago--16
Tampa--20

We get a pick like that and I SIGN THE DOTTED LINE and start the Quinn Era and never look back...

This is good...

I have no problem keeping both guys for one more year... but if we get a good offer for DA then I take it and get some defensive help.

"Like Brady, Anderson was a sixth-round pick. Like Warner, he washed out with one NFL team before getting an opportunity to begin building an impressive resumé."

I'm not so sure he washed out with the RAVENS....I do know he was waived 9/20 and we picked him up 9/21 - but I thought the Ravens were waiving him to put him on their Practice squad...not an unusual place to put a rookie 6th round pick QB.

JMH???

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I'm not so sure he washed out with the RAVENS....I do know he was waived 9/20 and we picked him up 9/21 - but I thought the Ravens were waiving him to put him on their Practice squad...

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THere was an article on here the other day,, can't seem to find it now, where that is exactly what Ozzie Newsome said.. That he tried to sneak Anderson onto the PS but Savage came in and swiped him.... Again , another reporter taking liberties with the truth

You are correct.But if we insert your version into the story,it's not so heart-warming.Poetic-license.

The Ravens had a lot go down in preseason and cleared a spot to fill with OL as best as i can remember.

The bigger the media hype the easier it is to sell a trade to the fanbase. Shaub is a prime example. He performed well in just a handful of reps but the media sold his talent to the fans of Houston and there wasn't much complaining when they gave up 2 seconds and slid down a spot in the first.

Savage by slipping info that the Browns may be ready to slap the franchise tag on Anderson was a great sale. The Browns will be trying to get into that top 10 via trade. For a team that has the pieces but lack the starting QB, a rookie isnt going to help them much but DA has experience and the #1 factor is that he gets the ball out quickly plus that 2-1 TD/INT ratio is enough to make both fans and general managers drool. I know a lot of Bears fans that are already talking about what it would take to get DA as is Viking fans.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again .......

The Browns will probably move one of the 2 QBs ..... and heaven help the FO and coaches if the guy who moves on outperforms the guy who stays.

Anderson could level out, improve, or decline from here. Quinn could be a star ...... or a bust. No one .... and I mean no one can say for sure ..... especially those who watch the team for a few hours once a week.

oh man.... I wonder how many people are still thinking Savage was just a puppet to Ozzie's genius??

Interesting read from Kirwan. Anyone want to place bets on what Savage does with Anderson at the end of the year?!

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Anderson worthy of a long-term investment by Browns
By Pat Kirwan | NFL.com




Jason Bridge / US PRESSWIRE
Derek Anderson has thrown three or more touchdowns in four games this season.

Without a doubt, Cleveland Browns quarterback Derek Anderson has been one of the biggest surprise stories of the 2007 season.

Anderson had to watch the Browns draft Brady Quinn in the first round last spring after giving up future draft compensation to acquire the 22nd overall pick. Then Anderson got beat out during summer camp by Charlie Frye, while Quinn held out looking for a big contract. Frye started in Week 1, getting sacked five times in his first 15 pass plays.

The Browns were already at an all-time low, and it was the first half of the first game of the year. Quinn wasn't ready to play, the offensive line couldn't pass block and the head coach was already on the launch pad to be fired. Essentially, the Browns were forced to play the third-year Anderson, and it was only viewed as a short-term answer until Quinn was ready. It looked like a lost season.

Well, the rest is history. The 6-4 Browns are in the playoff hunt and only a game out of first place in the AFC North. Now the question is this: What should the Browns do with Anderson for the long term?

I visited this subject after Week 6 when the Browns were 3-2 with Anderson as the starter. When the subject of Anderson was broached with general managers, the best-case response was, "You might consider the high tender for a restricted free agent next year." The worst news was, "I know Anderson and he will start to make bad decisions sooner or later, and Quinn will be in before you know it." Well, both evaluations now appear to be wrong.

I hear opinions that the high tender will not guarantee Anderson will remain in Cleveland, and that he is much better than the quarterbacks in the upcoming draft. One head coach said, "I would take him right now and they can have my first and third picks." It sounds like the Browns are going to have to get serious about getting Anderson under a long-term deal before the 2008 offseason even begins. Now the question is simply, which deal can the Browns make that makes the most sense?

Derek Anderson's NFL rankings:
Category Stats Rank
Passing yards 2,231 10th
Avg. per pass 7.6 8th
Yards a game 248 11th
TD passes 20 4th
+20-yard passes 33 T2nd
QB rating 90.7 11th
To determine just where Anderson stacks up around the league, I took a look at the things he does as compared to other quarterbacks. I started with his production vs. other third-year quarterbacks. Anderson easily separates himself from Alex Smith and Jason Campbell. He has 20 touchdown passes, while Smith and Campbell have 11 combined. Anderson has 33 completions over 20 yards, while Smith and Campbell have 31 combined. He has been sacked eight times; the other two have been sacked a combined 31 times. The Browns are 6-4 behind Anderson, while the Redskins are 5-5 and the 49ers are 2-8 -- two teams that were supposed to be better than Cleveland this season.



Off the field, Campbell and Smith both make a lot more money than Anderson, but they may not even be the benchmark for the Cleveland quarterback.

It's pretty clear Anderson can play. He may truly be a top-16 quarterback, and that puts him up where the big money is. Any deal for Anderson may need to guarantee upwards of $20 million. That may be difficult to comprehend, but when first-round draft picks get $30 million in guarantees, no one knows if they can play. They typically aren't ready to play until their second season, at the earliest, which makes Anderson a bargain. But let's go a little deeper to establish his value.

Anderson also meets or is better than the league average in areas beyond the standard categories. Looking at how often he is on the field for drives that end in a touchdown, he has accomplished it on 31 of 122 drives (25 percent). The NFL average for starting quarterbacks is 18 percent. He meets the NFL average for drives that end in a field goal, at 14 percent (17 of 122 drives). The numbers show that 39.3 percent of the drives Anderson has led end in points, ranking him in the top half of the league.

Many NFL people will tell you about the importance of scoring right before halftime. It has a psychological affect on a team and its opponent. Anderson has delivered 33 points in the last two minutes of the first half of games this season, easily in the top 10 of the league. The average NFL starter has generated 18 points in the same situation.



Catch Anderson in action. NFL Replay will re-air the Cleveland Browns' 33-30 overtime win over the Baltimore Ravens on Tuesday, Nov. 20 at 8 p.m. ET.

What about managing the game and minimizing mistakes? The Browns have four illegal formations and just four delay-of-game penalties, with no illegal motions and just two illegal shifts. Anderson can get his team lined up and function very well. Not every team has a guy this efficient under center. Not to mention that once the ball is snapped, Anderson is sacked once every 33 pass attempts, which is also in the top half of the league.

Teams naturally want to blitz and pressure young quarterbacks but have had little success against Anderson. At least four of his touchdown passes -- and only one interception -- have come against the blitz. He is cool under the heat. He also has three game-winning drives under his belt, outstanding for a young player. Anderson's third-down production has led to a success rate of 45 percent in that critical situation, which ranks ninth in the league.

There's no argument that Anderson is a talent. Do the Browns know more about him than the Texans knew about Matt Schaub when they traded for him? Yes. Is there less risk with Anderson than a first-round draft pick? Yes. Can he make all the throws, manage a game and make a special play with his feet? Yes.

Remember that the great Tom Brady was a late-round pick and threw 18 touchdowns and was sacked 41 times in his first season as a starter. The next season, he threw 28 touchdowns and was sacked 31 times. Anderson is on pace for 32 touchdowns and 13 sacks in 2007.



The longer the Browns wait, the more he will cost. But it looks like he's worth it.

... One head coach said, "I would take him right now and they can have my first and third picks."
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.. Please make sure Savage gets his name !

Good to see DA has value outside of Cleveland. Anderson may be playing the best QB we have seen here in a while, but while there he is, the Defense and especially the D-line is just getting older and more abused. I hope he takes the Browns to the playoffs, becauseI think it would increse his value to other teams. I say offer him a high tender and see what we can get for him. Then hand the team over to Quinn.

Too many holes on the D to offer him a huge contract and make Quinn the permanent backup.

hehe, Amen to that!

Give him the max tender (but NOT the Franchise Tag )... and take and run with whatever team will give us a 1st & 3rd for him.


Hell, to trade up for Quinn using a future #1 that most thought would be a Top 10 pick, then turn around and do well enough to make it a Bottom 10 pick... and then turn around and trade away our free agent signing that cost us nothing for a 1st AND a 3rd??? That would be a thing of beauty... and those two picks with our other two Day 1 picks would be just what our Defense ordered

that would be a tough offer to turn down.

remember, kelly holcomb tore it up on his first run through the league, but once a film library was built on him...he became less than stellar.

we might want to just hold to the plan we started with on this one.

look how bad brady quinns old team is without him!!

If DA continues to play like he is, and win games, then I think Brady might be the one we are shopping this off-season.

Would you have given up a 1st and 3rd after last season to get a QB that is on pace to throw for 4,000 yards and 30 TD's, plus lead us to 6 wins after 10 games?

Anderson is only going to get better as he gains experience. This is only his 3rd year in the league, and 1st year as the FT starter.

I don't see any realistic way that we shop Quinn.

We eat all signing bonus money immediately if we do... I don't see that happening.

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WAIT,, That can't be.... there are some people on this board that say that

NO WAY would anyone give up a 1st and 3rd rounder in the draft for Anderson...NO WAY



WOW,, I guess some don't "know it all" after all

He won't have the value that DA has either. Not even close.

Daman, maybe it's Brian Billick!!

well, he IS an offensive genius that develops quarterbacks

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One head coach said, "I would take him right now and they can have my first and third picks."

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I pray he still thinks that after the season is over and its time to pull the trigger ... I will be STUNNED and THRILLED if we even get a 2nd for him much less a 1st and 3rd ..... my guess is after he has TIME TO STUDY FILM and discusses it with his GM that he changes his mind ... but thats just me ...

alot of this article is PURE HORSECRAP ... like when he compares DA to Smith and Campbell cause their 3rd year guys ... well thats where the similarities end ... our OL is LIGHT YEARS ahead of both theres in pass blocking and the 3 best recievers on all 3 teams also happen to reside in C-Town ... well actually Cooley is pretty darn good just not as good as KW ..

but the combo of the OL and recieving talent added to the EASE OF SCHEDULE has nothing to do with it ...

I hope that DA can fool some GM into giving us a #1 for him .. that'd be AWESOME .... and with our remaining schedule the table is set for Da to shine ... lets all hope he don't mess it up ...... and that could leade to possibly the best trade we ever made ... whoever ends up with DA will be HIGHLY DISSAPOINTED and end up losing their jobs because of it ...

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Can he make all the throws, manage a game and make a special play with his feet? Yes.

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Ya .. this guy knows what hes talking about ... just ask Daman ......

Looks like no matter what, some here will trade DA for anything. Disregard the FACT that our team is the best it's been in years and our OFFENSE is flat out good. Very good.

Yeah, let's dump the QB that brought us here!



And if BQ is the next Leaf, we are back in the cellar for many, many, many years. Sounds like a good deal to me!



And we do all of this for maybe a 1st and 3rd round picks? We give up the proven QB for an unproven rookie all b/c we really would like an extra draft pick or two next year where we can go out and grab some more unproven rookies! 3 unproven rookies vs. a proven, solid QB.

Makes logical sense to me!

I can' t believe some of you guy's.

I know our defense needs help badly but I have waited a VERY long time for a legitimate QB to be back under center in Cleveland and now we have one. Now you guys want to get rid of him?

Sorry but i'm not about to get rid of Anderson when he is playing this good AND IS ONLY GOING TO GET BETTER just because we have the golden boy riding the pine.

We have NO CLUE what we have in Quinn yet. Lets get him some reps against some solid competition before we can truly evaluate our quarterback situation. After all he has only played in a few pre-season games and while he looked good so did Tim Couch.

A first and a third isn't enough for me to go back to stinking.

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Hell, to trade up for Quinn using a future #1 that most thought would be a Top 10 pick, then turn around and do well enough to make it a Bottom 10 pick... and then turn around and trade away our free agent signing that cost us nothing for a 1st AND a 3rd??? That would be a thing of beauty... and those two picks with our other two Day 1 picks would be just what our Defense ordered

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Except for that "Bottom 10 Pick" thang...U had it...lol...

Anderson pimpers won't like it...But in 2 or 3 years ALL BROWNS FANS WILL LOVE IT!!!!!!!

I'm DROOLIN' at the possibilities...

Let's Go Anderson...

Savage...Get us back into the 1st round...Quinn's got your ass!!!!!!!!!!

Quinn could possibly do well as our starter, but no one knows... I kinda feel like if Anderson can do it, then so should Quinn....

But then again... why let Anderson go after just ONE year of slight success... Quinn needs to sit another year, and when it hits year 3, then we decide what we want to do with our QBs.. but not after just one season.

I wonder who the head coach is that said that?

Some of us are either SMART ENOUGH to know the OL and Recievers and schedule have alot more to do with our success than our QB ... or were NOT STUPID ENOUGH to think we have a proven, solid QB

U can make that call for yourself ...

THAT sounds like the right thing to do.

You can't just give Brady the job and get rid of Anderson just because we drafted Brady and he already seems to be a fan favorite but hasn't done a damn thing yet.

Franchise him so we can keep him and let Brady and him battle it out next year. If a team wants to give us two firsts for Anderson then so be it we go with Quinn.

I can see everyones concern because if we sign him we are stuck with him so franchising him and giving him next year to prove he is the real deal seems like the only way to protect our ass. If he proves he is real (which I have confidence he will) then we sign him to a long term deal and do what we have to with Quinn (we don't have a ton invested in him).

Good read.

Funny how people in the know all seem to think Anderson is playing well but a good portion of the board seem to always find something wrong.

I know who I am going to listen to on such matters.

I like DA but I like the idea of having a top 10 draft pick a whole hell of a lot better than having DA.

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I know what call i'm making. I will believe all those coaches who were payed to evaluate talent and all the players who actually played in this league that think Anderson is the real deal before I will anybody who posts on a message board.

Every great quarterback in this league has a good line and at-least descent receivers. You show me one that doesn't and I will show you a quarterback who isn't great.

Some of us are either SMART ENOUGH to know the OL and Recievers and schedule have alot more to do with our success than our QB ... or were NOT STUPID ENOUGH to think we have a proven, solid QB

lol it is probably both. I dont think DA is given enough credit for what he is doing by the hate on DA crowd but there are more reasons for DA's success than DA's talent.

K2, BE, Chud's scheme, terrific OL play and an extremely weak schedule. Also the secondary play throughout the NFL is horrid, if u have a big arm you have a great chance for success.

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Funny how people in the know all seem to think Anderson is playing well but a good portion of the board seem to always find something wrong.

I know who I am going to listen to on such matters.

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Well U best hope he doesn't write an article on RAC tommorow extolling his virtues as a HC and then get one GM around the league to agree with him cause then these same people your clinging to to day will be NO NOTHINGS THAT ARE JUST CAUGHT UP IN THE MOMENT .... *LOL* ..

I've seen u RIP the people in the know a hundred times ... now today their your bible ... you have the consistency of diarherra and i mean the real real runny type thats like peein out your butt ... and u wonder why folks with brains know u have zero credibility .....