So if ghost guns continue to be sold will it not make it easier for criminals to gain access to guns? It's a direct effect of ghost guns being legal. The very fact that people promote the sale of ghost guns also promotes making it easier for criminals to by guns. It's factually a cause and effect. I know you don't like the sound of it. Sometimes the facts you're confronted with are uncomfortable.
When you stand for something remaining legal you also support the consequences that go along with it. Be that voluntary or not.
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lol Avoiding the ramifications of something people promote is what you accuse others of. You see, you made an issue out of a post I made to someone else. Someone who DOES support ghost guns remain legal.
Ghost guns being legal is an open avenue for convicted felons to buy guns that can not be traced. Thus that would be promoting a method of criminals easily getting guns. The two are directly connected. Rather than address that truth you come after me. I'm not surprised by that. For those who do promote that ghost guns remain legal they ARE supporting a method for criminals to easily acquire guns. It's just a fact.
The stupid game part would be pretending it's not and deflecting about that rather than addressing that.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
As it should be. Owning a gun is a constitutional right!
Driving is a privilege, not a right.
Indeed, but rights also come with responsibilities, much as is the case with privilege. I don't have a problem with reasonable requirements to owning a firearm just as I feel that there should be reasonable requirements when it comes to the right to vote.
Good answer.
Thanks, but it is the only answer. The problem on both sides, be it guns or voting is what is reasonable and what isn't.
Just a quick question,, what is it you would call a reasonable requirement for owning a gun...
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
As it should be. Owning a gun is a constitutional right!
Driving is a privilege, not a right.
Indeed, but rights also come with responsibilities, much as is the case with privilege. I don't have a problem with reasonable requirements to owning a firearm just as I feel that there should be reasonable requirements when it comes to the right to vote.
Good answer.
Thanks, but it is the only answer. The problem on both sides, be it guns or voting is what is reasonable and what isn't.
Just a quick question,, what is it you would call a reasonable requirement for owning a gun...
Show a valid ID. Be an adult citizen.
I thought about the felon thing, but I am even off of that with restrictions. I think everybody should be able to own a shotgun to be able to defend their home and person. If they are a violent felon with gun charges attached, I question why they are even out of prison unless that are around 60 years old and have spent 30 years in the can.
I don't have a big problem with quickie background checks.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Unfortunately, this article describes how that process, testing everyone's IQ as a reliable filter, could be flawed. But I seriously hate the idea of stupid people electing stupid politicians to lead us all. Anyone can see examples of that aren't rare in this country.
As it should be. Owning a gun is a constitutional right!
Driving is a privilege, not a right.
Indeed, but rights also come with responsibilities, much as is the case with privilege. I don't have a problem with reasonable requirements to owning a firearm just as I feel that there should be reasonable requirements when it comes to the right to vote.
Good answer.
Thanks, but it is the only answer. The problem on both sides, be it guns or voting is what is reasonable and what isn't.
Just a quick question,, what is it you would call a reasonable requirement for owning a gun...
Show a valid ID. Be an adult citizen.
I thought about the felon thing, but I am even off of that with restrictions. I think everybody should be able to own a shotgun to be able to defend their home and person. If they are a violent felon with gun charges attached, I question why they are even out of prison unless that are around 60 years old and have spent 30 years in the can.
I don't have a big problem with quickie background checks.
OK,, then I take back my "good answer" comment. You left too many holes in the plan.. so big I could drive a truck through them!
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
And for the record I am not looking to repeal things like basic background checks or allowing people to buy a M-60. I just wasn't looking to go point by point since I knew you are one who thinks we already don't have enough restrictions, even with hundreds of laws regulating the purchase of a firearm.
I have a feeling you will always feel there are big holes until people can't own a gun. That's cool
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
And for the record I am not looking to repeal things like basic background checks or allowing people to buy a M-60. I just wasn't looking to go point by point since I knew you are one who thinks we already don't have enough restrictions, even with hundreds of laws regulating the purchase of a firearm.
I have a feeling you will always feel there are big holes until people can't own a gun. That's cool
Your feeling is dead wrong.. I have no problem with gun ownership.. Myself, I'm not a gun guy.. I'm more of a car guy..
What I have a problem with is "Who" can own a gun.
Recent laws show that the NRA is deep in the pockets of politicians whose better judgment is compromised (my opinion) by the donations they receive....
I don't think it's right that "Just anyone" can get a gun. There are people with documented mental issues, felons etc that can get guns.. Sorry, but that just can't be right.
That can't be smart either.
Having said all that, I'll still never understand the need for Auto or semi auto weapons in the hands of civilians.
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
I'll still never understand the need for Auto or semi auto weapons in the hands of civilians.
and that sums up the differences in thought right there. You're still thinking that it requires a need; that it has to be justified.
You're a car guy.... what's the need for a sports car that can do 0-60 in 4 seconds or has a top end of 200+MPH? You can't legally do either of those things without at a minimum getting a Wreckless Op citation, and doing either frequently leads to accidents and deaths, so why should any civilian be able to have a Bugatti, or a WRX, or Viper?
It's the *exact* same thing, despite all protests to the contrary that attempt to create a distinction. They ARE legal, and there is NO NEED for any of it, and BECAUSE we are a free people, it's all good because no NEED is required, yet here we all are able to go buy something that we have the ability to use in an illegal manner and is even designed to be exceptionally capable of being used in an illegal manner, but we are trusted to not do so. You just have to Want. That's how freedom works. People are fond of saying "innocent until proven guilty", well, the same concept holds.... we're all trusted until we show that we're not. That's why we can have these things.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
I thought about the felon thing, but I am even off of that with restrictions.
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Your stupid games are saying people want to make it easy for criminals...ahh forget it.
What is the recidivism rate for felons? Results from the study found that about 63% of offenders were rearrested for a new crime and sent to prison again within the first three years they were released. Of the 16,486 prisoners, about 56% of them were convicted of a new crime.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
If the person has a gun violence history, I agree. I also said I would limit it to a shotgun. I may not have mentioned it, but will add it needs to remain in the home and or on the property.
I don't have a problem not allowing hand guns or long rifles. As I said, I think they should be able to defend the castle, so to speak.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
I'm sure you realize that criminal behavior is progressive. Little Johnny didn't start off by robbing banks. And as for people who have been to prison, there's nothing rehabilitating about it. It's simply a school for rookie criminals to learn from veteran criminals. That's exactly why the recidivism rates are so high. Snatching a purse doesn't require violence. Kids do it riding by on bicycles all the time. But what will their next step up the ladder of criminal behavior be? Criminal behavior only escalates over time. A simple hacksaw can turn a shotgun into something you can easily conceal.
I'm not saying I don't understand the point you're trying to make. I'm saying there's valid reasons why they keep guns out of the hands of convicted felons. If you wish to have a gun to keep your home safe, don't get convicted of a felony. By being convicted of a felony you made a choice to take actions that the consequences of that action requires you to give up certain rights. Owning a firearm is one of them.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Unfortunately, this article describes how that process, testing everyone's IQ as a reliable filter, could be flawed. But I seriously hate the idea of stupid people electing stupid politicians to lead us all. Anyone can see examples of that aren't rare in this country.
and you call us Facist. At least your idea would do away with the Democratic party.
Unfortunately, this article describes how that process, testing everyone's IQ as a reliable filter, could be flawed. But I seriously hate the idea of stupid people electing stupid politicians to lead us all. Anyone can see examples of that aren't rare in this country.
and you call us Facist. At least your idea would do away with the Democratic party.
You apparently never saw the original movie, Red Dawn.
The first thing the enemy did after taking the town was to go to the local gun shops and take their gun registration files.
Now they could easily confiscate all local weapons.
So the 2A crap your pants fest for the last 40+ years was all based on pure fiction. Good to know. Dumbass gun nuts and criminals are the only reason we need these. But I'm good with the wild west too. Soon, it will be legal to kill a man for looking at you the wrong way. Let's just jump forward to there, so we can reduce the population and save the planet.
Florida sheriff promotes gun safety course for residents to shoot home invaders: 'We prefer that you do' Florida sheriff says homeowners are 'more than welcome' to shoot intruders
I'll still never understand the need for Auto or semi auto weapons in the hands of civilians.
and that sums up the differences in thought right there. You're still thinking that it requires a need; that it has to be justified.
You're a car guy.... what's the need for a sports car that can do 0-60 in 4 seconds or has a top end of 200+MPH? You can't legally do either of those things without at a minimum getting a Wreckless Op citation, and doing either frequently leads to accidents and deaths, so why should any civilian be able to have a Bugatti, or a WRX, or Viper?
It's the *exact* same thing, despite all protests to the contrary that attempt to create a distinction. They ARE legal, and there is NO NEED for any of it, and BECAUSE we are a free people, it's all good because no NEED is required, yet here we all are able to go buy something that we have the ability to use in an illegal manner and is even designed to be exceptionally capable of being used in an illegal manner, but we are trusted to not do so. You just have to Want. That's how freedom works. People are fond of saying "innocent until proven guilty", well, the same concept holds.... we're all trusted until we show that we're not. That's why we can have these things.
The 1st and 2nd amendments are what set the United States apart from any other known country in the world. No country has the freedoms that we do because ours are inalienable rights, they're not granted to us by a ruler, the government, or a charter saying what the government lets you do (Canada), they're supposedly inalienable.
With that being said it only takes a brief look back at world history, say the last 100 years to see bad things that governments do to their citizens. Many times this has happened, a precursor to bad events was gun confiscation or passing of laws that made it illegal for citizens to own weapons.
At the end of the day I don't trust the government because the government is made up of people and I don't trust people either. If you do then you may be very guilable.
Having guns comes in handy in the following scenarios:
1. Protecting yourself, your family, and your property in an emergency situation.
2. Directly limiting government power. THIS IS A BIG ONE! AND YOU SHOULD BE AN ADVOCATE OF IT! It means they can't pass, enforce anything they want and get away with it. If they want to enforce something that's authoritarian, good luck. Try it. I'll take their bet and raise the stakes. It's that deterence that keeps the power in the hands of the citizens and why countries such as China have no choice but to follow every order that comes from their draconian 1984 government; locked in their own apartments with chains, screaming to get out, being held prisoner. And some people will probably say, "There's no chance the US could ever be like China or enforce those laws!" It's not a risk I'm willing to take!
Why do you trust the government? Do you think they're your friend? The US was practically founded on distrust of government and individualist freedoms.
Voting is a right too. But you don't want people to vote unless they meet the qualifications to vote. In most states you are not qualified to vote if you're a convicted felon. Yet somehow you think it's okay for people to buy a firearm without a legal background check if you support ghost guns remaining legal. So why do you support qualifications for voting but not buying a firearm since both are rights under the constitution?
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Voting is a right too. But you don't want people to vote unless they meet the qualifications to vote. In most states you are not qualified to vote if you're a convicted felon. Yet somehow you think it's okay for people to buy a firearm without a legal background check if you support ghost guns remaining legal. So why do you support qualifications for voting but not buying a firearm since both are rights under the constitution?
As you have taken a stand multiple times against even having to identify yourself to vote!
Do you need a ghost gun in order to defend your home?
Is a ghost gun really any different than the stolen gun with the serial number removed they sell on the street?
So does that mean you also support criminals stealing guns to commit crimes with? You see there are laws against stealing. But you want no laws against ghost guns.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
The 1st and 2nd amendments are what set the United States apart from any other known country in the world. No country has the freedoms that we do because ours are inalienable rights, they're not granted to us by a ruler, the government, or a charter saying what the government lets you do (Canada), they're supposedly inalienable.
This is very important, and if people would acknowledge, as our forefathers did, that the right to bear arms is inalienable and preexists all government ....there would be no confusion as to what they meant when the second amendment was penned. That this inalienable, preexisting right shall not be infringed, and the preamble to that is a reason why.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
Voting is a right too. But you don't want people to vote unless they meet the qualifications to vote. In most states you are not qualified to vote if you're a convicted felon. Yet somehow you think it's okay for people to buy a firearm without a legal background check if you support ghost guns remaining legal. So why do you support qualifications for voting but not buying a firearm since both are rights under the constitution?
As you have taken a stand multiple times against even having to identify yourself to vote!
Come on Man!
And you have taken the opposite stand. Until of course it comes to guns. In case you missed it, which you obviously have, I'm all for at least providing utility bills or mail sent to the address you are supposed to live at to provide proof of residence. I live in a very red state and that's all I had to do in order to get a drivers license here in Tennessee when I first moved here. Not everyone who voted for Biden believes the exact same thing. Just like there's actually real Republicans then there are Trumpians like you. I don't lump them into the revolting category you belong in.
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sure it would.
