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I don't know. I don't generally trouble myself with all of that, but I do remember bits and pieces of what I see and read here.

Does anyone think the Browns will be able to trade Baker tonight? Some insiders are saying maybe on Friday or afterwards. The compensation they are suggesting is depressing.

Come on down Carolina Panthers. . .

well they took a tackle..

The Plot thickens

Nobody has picked a QB. Are they all gonna fight over Baker?

Oops. Thought I was in the draft thread.

Baker is better than all these QB's

Baker is lucky the qbs are so bad this year...

That's not saying much at all. Is that the measuring stick
For Baker Mayfield now ? Rookie QBs coming into the league.....
Baker should be better. He's had 4 years worth of games under
His belt

I think he gets traded tomorrow... we'll see... guessing the Seahawks...

Here is the problem. Baker's ego and immaturity far exceeds his performance. He campaigned to have coaches fired when he was a freaking rookie. Called out other players. Chose Kitchens as our HC. Would not throw to OBJ because he wanted to be the center of attention. No teammates have supported him since he demanded a trade. Others supported OBJ when he wanted out. No one has made a move for him even though he would be cheap. Read the writing on the wall.

His rookie year head coach was Hue Jackson - the worst HC in NFL history...bar none. Called out a RB who whined about upgrades at RB on the first day of mandatory mini camp. Had ZERO choice of the next head coach - who almost was as bad as Hue. Would not throw to OBJ because OBJ never wanted to be in Cleveland and ran whatever route he felt like running. Making conclusions about why people don't do something is agenda-posting at its worse. OBJ wanted out as soon as he got here. No one has signed OBJ OR Jarvis Landry - guys with ZERO contract baggage nor guys someone has to give up compensation for.

Read the writing on the wall.

Yeah, that is why teams are trying to outdo one another to acquire him.

The reason(s) why he hasn't been moved has nothing to do with the drivel that you posted previously and incessantly...he couldn't pass a physical today...and there is no reason for a team to trade for a $18+ million player/contract that has been replaced by a better, $230 million player and who the team has ZERO leverage to move.

The starting two great WRs from last year's opening day lineup are also un-signed at he moment...with ZERO contractual or compensation hangups.

Dude... Carson Wentz was traded (for picks). Marcus Mariota and Mitch Trubisky have new teams.

Houston is talking up Davis Mills and Seattle "likes" Drew Lock.



If there's writing to be read, it's not on the wall it's on a giant LED billboard.

Those moves were made before Mayfield was available and as far as talking up, the Browns said Mayfield was their QB. I guess you can believe what you want to believe but FO's lie. Sad that you are taking it hook, line, and sinker.

The Browns have:
A QB they do not want
18.9m GUARANTEED THAT THEY DO NOT WANT TO PAY
An injured player that cannot pass a physical
No idea if Mayfield will be ready for the start of the season
A dream of compensation that no team will pay knowing the Browns have no leverage
Front page news of how poorly they managed the situation

Mayfield will be moved when then Browns quit screwing the pooch. Whether that's paying a big chunk of Mayfield's guaranteed salary or adding draft picks to get someone to take him or just cutting him outright, Mayfield will be gone. There are multiple teams that Mayfield could go to that would upgrade their team either now or in the future. Atlanta, Carolina, Seattle, Houston, Tennessee, Tampa (after Brady), Miami and the dark horse now the NYG since they refused Jones 5th year option yesterday. Just because you think or the teams have stated they are good at QB, the Cleveland Browns made that exact same statement not too long ago.

Let's be real, the reason Baker is not a new team yet AND the reason when he does move on any compensation will be absolute minimum is a combination of the following. I think depending on personal opinion people will put more weight on some factors than others, some might even totally ignore some of the reasons that don't suit their predisposition to Baker:

- He played hurt last year and played badly.
- He's still hurt and there is a ? of when he will be ready to play.
- Throughout his career he has played inconsistently.
- Baker is due nearly $19M
- Of the teams in need of a QB - most have already acquired their 2022 starter.
- I see only 2 possible landing spots - Seahawks and Panthers.
- By acquiring Watson and Brisset before moving on from Baker - the 2 possible potential suitors for Baker know the Browns have absolutely zero leverage.
- Both potential landing spots for Baker could easily be viewed as in rebuilding mode - Baker could end up being a one year rental, you don't give up valuable draft capital for a 1 year rental.
- With Willis dropping out of the first and Seattle with a pick at the top of round 2 - Seattle might be lost as a potential trading partner also.

The reasons a team might want Baker, and for comparison:

- He's better than Wentz, Mariota and Trubisky.
- Wentz cost Indianapolis a 2022 second-round pick, a 2022 third-round pick and a conditional 2023 third-round pick. Nothing screams bad timing on trading Baker like the Wentz deal.
- A healthy Baker was much better than Wentz in 2020. An injured Baker for 16 weeks was slightly worse than a Healthy Wentz in 2021.
- Although Baker has been inconsistent - he was an instant rookie success setting then rookie records even though he never took 1st team reps until he replaced an injured Tyrod.
- Despite 4 HC and 4 OC in 3 years - in his 3rd year after retooling his mechanics - over his last 9 games he was rated the 5th best QB in the NFL by PFF.
- That form at the end of 2020 seemed to continue in a narrow loss to KC in 2021 before being hurt the next game.

They are in denial.

Translation:

Houston and Seattle like CJ Stroud and Bryce Young