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JMHO, How'd OBJ work out for the Rams? Know he's still unsigned....injuries AGAIN, but he balled for Rams. Healthy, lots of folks said we were ready for SB? Didn't happen AND JMHO, big part Baker.....obviously, FO thought same thing....GO Browns!!!

He was, at most, the 2nd option in Rams O. In Cleveland, he was the one drawing double-coverage.

You have a point. There's also an element of some QBs can better overcome bad luck, though. When things around Baker were good, he was pretty good. When he faced adversity, he was much less good. In the NFL, you're going to face adversity.

And running whatever route he felt like running

I agree with most of your post, except playing Baker while DW is suspended (If he gets suspended). I just feel there would be to much tension in the locker room, I would trade Baker as soon as possible, if not before or during the draft, then before training camp, and most definitely before the season begins. Have you heard any support from his teammates about him since DW was signed (*Crickets*) , I believe he was not the team player he tried to project himself to be, not that I'm an OBJ fan but as soon as DW was signed he said he would come back to Cleveland and Landry wanted to redo his deal and stay here. I was a Baker Supporter I loved him and if DW wasn't signed I would have been excited to have Baker as our starter, and Oh by the way I am still torn with DW's situation, I will just wait and see and go by what our nations legal system is suppose to be for all of us ... "Innocent until proven guilty ... GO BROWNS

Eotab, we have had people ragging on baker since draft night five years ago. For some it was a continuous drumbeat. In that time Baker Mayfield led us out of the muck and mire of 1-31 and in three years he led us to a playoff win. From the night he came into the jets game we went from being a punchline to a joke to being seen seriously. I am very appreciative of what Baker did for the Browns. He was our qb and I supported him.

Dashaun is our qb now and I will support him. Hopefully he will lead us to the next level.I was very surprised at the way many fans turned against baker this year. We seem to have very short memories.

Baker has a very porous work ethic. He broke Mannings record and it went to.his head.
I never heard anyone describe Mayfield as the 1st guy in , last guy out , ever.
Talent is no good without the drive behind it.
The chip on his shoulder narrative is so cliche and laughable in regards to.him

[quote]I was very surprised at the way many fans turned against baker this year. We seem to have very short memories./quote]

Then you must be flabbergasted that the Browns organization wanted to move on from him. You must be shocked that none of his teammates have supported him after they publicly supported OBJ. You must be astounded that not one team has wanted to trade for him despite him having a below average contract.

But yeah, it's the fans fault.

Did they publicly support OBJ "after he left"?

I have also never heard one single person who is close enough to the situation say that Baker doesn't put in the time and the work, ever.

Anytime you come across a great QB, at.some point
Phrases like "student of the game" "film room guy"
"The most driven, hardest working" is very often associated
With that QB.
Fact, the year after Bakers rookie year,he admitted as much
He didnt put in the time or extra work to improve.
As he said " I thought the game would be so easy"
Well fast forward to 2021,'his game has not improved one bit.
In fact he has regressed. He was making rookie mistakes
Last year. He simply does not have the work ethic of Burrow
Herbert, and Allen. If so it would show on.the field.

Yeah, "last year" with having a bum shoulder is indicative of his progress or lack there of, right?

The Steelers going from 20 years of Roethlisberger to Mitch Trubisky and Kenny Pickett is perfect.

The fact so many analysts and people on twitter shun the Steelers for taking Pickett has me worried that he is going to end up good. That's usually how these things pan out.

It could be a repeat of the Josh Allen story. If we've found out anything it's that projecting QB's drafted into the NFL is a dicey proposition.

Josh Allen was the 7th overall pick and 22 years old his rookie season. He is also a physical freak.

Kenny Pickett was a mid/late first round pick and will be 24 his rookie season. His physical skills are average.

I am glad the Steelers took Pickett.

I am glad, too. I am just hoping that Malik, Redder, and Corral all are taken before we pick.

I'm not saying it will end up like the Josh Allen story. But I am saying that those who make this sound like there will be a terrible outcome may not be correct. I'm not sure anyone has a good enough track record at projecting QB's at the next level to know for sure.

We saw people on this very board, many in fact, promote the Mayfield pick from draft day until just a very short time ago. Some still do. So as with all QB's drafted early, the story has yet to be written.

J/C

The Ravens have had a very solid draft (as always). Very meat and potatoes and have let players come to them.

I also think Pittsburgh will make Pickens into another one of their mid round WR stars, though Pickett would worry me if I were a Steeler fan