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Originally Posted by THROW LONG
Shouldn't the thread title be
" George Pickens won't be a very good NFL player"

Won't be a very good player should definetly be in the thread title.
Hope a lot of other teams' GMs think that and he's there for us at 44.

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Originally Posted by PrplPplEater
DPJ can probably (hopefully) grow into a solid #2, but what we have behind him is nearly trash. Our WR corps really is just Amari Cooper and DPJ; everyone else is a gigantic "Huh??"

I’d expect we sign a few one year deals to help boost the wide receiver depth.

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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
I could see 7 as a far more realistic number. I have no idea which direction the Browns will go with their second round pick. If an actual deal with Clowney is in place that may too influence such a decision. As with most teams the Browns have more than one need as things stand at this point in time.


I don't think [if] having Clowney will influence our board @44 ... we need better stability (getting younger and cheaper) at the DE opposite MG going forward.


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Originally Posted by PrplPplEater
DPJ can probably (hopefully) grow into a solid #2, but what we have behind him is nearly trash. Our WR corps really is just Amari Cooper and DPJ; everyone else is a gigantic "Huh??"

I’d expect we sign a few one year deals to help boost the wide receiver depth.

No doubt! ... we will probably be watching the waiver wires come September too.


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Originally Posted by FL_Dawg
I don't think [if] having Clowney will influence our board @44 ... we need better stability (getting younger and cheaper) at the DE opposite MG going forward.

I can see that as a possibility. My thinking is more along the lines that if you have Clowney on a two year deal, spending your highest pick on a player you will actually "need" three years from now may be a less likely scenario. A developmental player in round 3 or a little later would make more sense to me in that scenario. Certainly if someone they don't expect to be there falls that scenario becomes more likely.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
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I don't think [if] having Clowney will influence our board @44 ... we need better stability (getting younger and cheaper) at the DE opposite MG going forward.

I can see that as a possibility. My thinking is more along the lines that if you have Clowney on a two year deal, spending your highest pick on a player you will actually "need" three years from now may be a less likely scenario. A developmental player in round 3 or a little later would make more sense to me in that scenario. Certainly if someone they don't expect to be there falls that scenario becomes more likely.


I guess that all depends on who is available too ... [if] Burks is sitting there like some think that he might, and [if] he is higher on our board, then yes, I could see that scenario.


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Hmmmm.......I thought Burks was slotted to go in the late first or very early second?

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Hmmmm.......I thought Burks was slotted to go in the late first or very early second?

Yes, so was JOK last year ... Burks, Wyatt, Karlaftis are all three being rumored to perhaps falling out of the first round, but for not all the same reasons ... Burks has even fallen down to #46 on the pff big boad.


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Interesting.

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Originally Posted by FL_Dawg
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Hmmmm.......I thought Burks was slotted to go in the late first or very early second?

Yes, so was JOK last year ... Burks, Wyatt, Karlaftis are all three being rumored to perhaps falling out of the first round, but for not all the same reasons ... Burks has even fallen down to #46 on the pff big boad.

Karlaftis is definitely in contention for our pick if he falls. People were mocking him to us in the first before the Watson trade.

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Hmmmm.......I thought Burks was slotted to go in the late first or very early second?

Yes, so was JOK last year ... Burks, Wyatt, Karlaftis are all three being rumored to perhaps falling out of the first round, but for not all the same reasons ... Burks has even fallen down to #46 on the pff big boad.

Karlaftis is definitely in contention for our pick if he falls. People were mocking him to us in the first before the Watson trade.

Interestingly enought mockables has Karlaftis and "my guy" Josh Paschal as the closes comp% ... albeit even if they are not the same players, I thought that was interesting, although I would be happy to add either or.


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Burks was one of the 30 visits the Browns had, so, maybe.....

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Actually saying Burks has a late first or early second round projection places him very close to our pick to begin with. The tenth pick in the second round is in the top one third of round 2. I don't think he will last that long but if someone is citing that as the projection, we are certainly in the conversation.


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Originally Posted by FL_Dawg
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
Hmmmm.......I thought Burks was slotted to go in the late first or very early second?

Yes, so was JOK last year ... Burks, Wyatt, Karlaftis are all three being rumored to perhaps falling out of the first round, but for not all the same reasons ... Burks has even fallen down to #46 on the pff big boad.

In Dane Brugler's final mock he has GB taking Burks at #22 and AZ taking Karlaftis at #23, though it's absurdly hard to get picks right that far down in the draft.

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Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
Interesting.
One of my favorites in this year's draft. Fair warning on a long story, but I love this kid. Mentality of a bull in all sports, man among boys his whole life (much like Myles) athletically. Not blazing speed... you're not catching him after a Nick Chubb-esque stiff-arm anyway. Intimidates the defender with physicality and plays with strong hands -- attacking the catch. Sorry, rambling, enjoy... Great story.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2022/...ks-wild-boar-hunter-first-round-prospect


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Burks was all the rage before the combine... he was top 3 WR off the board on most mocks. Then he ran a slower than anticipated 40 time and dropped some. I expect one of the GM's to land him in the 20's in the first round - game tape and ability in games trumps combine imo.


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Yep.

4.5 at the combine knocks him down... it's inevitable with the amount of talent at WR.

I'm hoping this gives us a shot.


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Because of the depth of this years receivers.

It is hard to figure how GM's see all these guys. London, Watson, Pickens are tall guys.

Olave, Wilson, Dotson, Moore quick, and fast. Williams super fast. Burks is big and physical.

Burks is one of those types that could go mid to late but he could fall to the second.

What quarterbacks will be taken? Lots of factors.

I listed nine guys. If there is a run on receivers and say seven go in the first. The Browns maybe forced to trade up to early second to land a guy.

I just hope we get a good one.

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I think 6 WR WI defo go in the first round. I think 7 is possible if Pickens goes too.

But I don't see Berry trading up unless somehow it's part of a Baker trade. If anything I'd think a move down a few spots is more likely. Jmo. Think they'd really have to covet a guy to move up.

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IMO they will not move into the first round.

Would they move up in the second? Yes maybe five or six slots.


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Originally Posted by mgh888
Burks was all the rage before the combine... he was top 3 WR off the board on most mocks. Then he ran a slower than anticipated 40 time and dropped some. I expect one of the GM's to land him in the 20's in the first round - game tape and ability in games trumps combine imo.

He might be getting knocked a little for not meeting some expectations at the combine, but he wasn't really used as a WR in a way that translates to the next level ... his playes where more of a manufactured, gimmick variety, so he is raw in that respect and projects as a big slot.


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Burks will used much the same as Debo.

He has that running back receiver thing going on. He is not the polished route runner like some of the others.

Pickens is a realistic guy because he could be there. I can not speak to "off field." He only played in four games last season.

I have no doubt about his ability. He can do everything you want a receiver to do. Lowest drop rate. Good route runner. Gets separation. Wins contested catches. Has body control to adjust to the ball in the air. He can break physical jam press coverage. Aggressive blocker.

Dane Bruglar mentioned his competiveness. It is obvious on the tape. He wants that ball. He likes to block. I pay attention to that.

He probably has done some stuff that is not to cool. He plays with an edge.

He may turn some teams off. I don't about any of that. He maybe trouble. But he can play.

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Seeing lots of negative press recently about PICKENS, indicating he was unimpressive in his interviews with NFL teams at the Combine, Pro Days and team visits. Too much of a “me guy” for some tastes.

https://gbnreport.com/draft-day-thots-pigskins-a-m-edition/


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Originally Posted by FL_Dawg
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Burks was all the rage before the combine... he was top 3 WR off the board on most mocks. Then he ran a slower than anticipated 40 time and dropped some. I expect one of the GM's to land him in the 20's in the first round - game tape and ability in games trumps combine imo.

He might be getting knocked a little for not meeting some expectations at the combine, but he wasn't really used as a WR in a way that translates to the next level ... his playes where more of a manufactured, gimmick variety, so he is raw in that respect and projects as a big slot.
Treylon Burks WR Arkansas is not a gimmick player.
He is a prototypical Wr, a long ball deep threat with over 16. yards per catch average, with a ton of upside.
If Burks were on the board at #44 and the Browns select him it would be outstanding!
If the Browns trade up and select Treylon Burks it would also be outstanding! thumbsup


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Now that it’s plausible he’s available, I’m good with taking him. Or Moore. Maybe Watson as well.

Outside of those 3, I’d go with defense


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Fell well out of the first round as expected. I mean I don't care how talented you are perceived to be, you don't go from 5 receptions to first round pick.

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