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Lakewood High School has had them since the 90's it doesn't stop weapons from getting in any more than jail keeps drugs or weapons out.

Another very sad day. mUrIcA.

How about starting by raising the age to own a gun to 21.

Sandy Hook shooter was 18.
Buffalo shooter was 18.
Texas shooter was 18.

Too soon for this, I know. What happened is a tragedy, of course.

With that said, are you in favor of holding car manufacturers liable for drunk driving deaths?

I don't know how this school was, but area schools around here are locked down, daily. to get in, you have to ring, get a photograph (like a ring door bell kind of thing), then you get access to an entry area, where you again have to be allowed in.

This kind of stuff can and does happen anywhere, everywhere. I would be all in favor of armed police at every school. Again, around here, in poor rural corn field n.w. Ohio, we have SRO's. School Resource Officers - in just about every building.

Now, a bad person with evil intent could break down a back door, of course. I don't have the answers, obviously. No one does, obviously. School shootings, of innocent (in this case) pre teens is a devastating thing.

While we are on the subject of placing blame........and Eve, I am so sorry and I apologize ahead of time.......but

How about we stop w/all the violent video games that glorify killing and discount the tragedy of death?

How about we stop glorifying all the killing that dominates the movies in this era. I try and find good movies and almost all of them are these stupid action flicks that involve violence and/or horror movies that do the same.

Hey kids, let's watch people killing one another and let me buy you this video game where you get to shoot other people.

Pffttttt......

We can all talk about it until we're blue in the face. Nothing will happen this time either. There will be a bunch of blah blah out of both sides, then dems will wanted to ban certain guns and GOPers will say no. Same ole same ole... I don't think they even look at the scenes anymore. If we really wanted to get something done, we should lockem all in a room and tell them they can't leave until it's resolved to the American peoples satisfaction. I wasn't even going to comment. Fighting an enemy that hides like a coward when things heat up has just sucked the soul out of me.

And to the good Rs on here, I'm sorry for all the things that will be said about you all in the next 24-72 hours. We don't need to take away hunting guns or bad mouth gun owners in general. But we need to stop letting these maniacs kill kids in schools.

Agree with that... raise the age to 21... cut out the private sales and loop holes... hire ex-military as guards for the schools... and improve mental health for teens and young adults...

Biden should order a squad of National Guard to every school in America to work rotations until Congress acts. One on every entrance at anytime kids are on the premises. America wouldn't let that stand long, but they will do nothing about these kids being killed.

For the first 5 months of this year, the US has averaged 10 mass shootings per week. More than (1) per day. A mass shooting is a shooting where there are 4 or more victims.

It wouldnt be too hard to set up a metal dector and a security guard at schools. Every town has park police. Shouldnt be too hard to hire some school police.

School shootings and other mass killings have been a part of our society since before our country was founded.

Banning all or some types of guns will not keep shootings from happening. At this point, anyone can 3D print one. Iit's pretty easy to get an illegal gun on any street corner in the ghetto along with your choice of illegal drugs or other illegal things. Also, if guns are banned people will likely go back to doing more school bombings which have also been happening since the 1880's.


Sadly, I am not sure anyone will ever solve mass killings unless we start eliminating evil people before they are born... which is impossible at this point.

A fully installed metal detector would probably average about 10-15k per door.

We used to have one officer at the front door at the beginning of the school day and another one out at the street directing traffic entering the school grounds.
We now only have one SRO (we are getting less money from the state-another problem) and we have to get buzzed in through the outside door and stay in the vestibule until the school knows what we are here for and then we can go into the office and sign in.

But even with a school guard and a metal detector. Money is tight in schools and we probably have about 16 different doors that would have to either be locked down or have a detector. We have had a school resource officer since my kids were in kindergarten. Our schools are all three levels in three different wings in a 208,000 square foot building. If there is a school resource officer in the high school office and someone starts shooting in the other side of the building in one of the other wings or upstairs, it would take a while to get to where the shooter is. I understand that there would be a county wide response. But a hell of a lot of damage could happen anyways.

CNN said something tonight that these shootings alot of times only take 4-6 minutes from when it starts until when the shooter is dead or in custody. A lot of lives are changed in that 4-6 minutes.

Stadiums have long lines and a traffic jam of people trying to pass through said metal detectors. However, take for example, Browns stadium on game day, there is a massive police presence with SWAT, snipers atop buildings, K-9s, etc., to quickly put down a threat. Sports teams can afford this massive security presence.

Add metal detectors to a large school and have that same slow process of entry and a clogged traffic jam of students waiting outside when they all arrive at nearly the same time and you have sitting ducks for these opportunistic lunatics.

Not to mention poor school districts cannot afford the additional security and the wealthier districts will not want their kids walking into an environment that seems more like a prison than an inviting place of learning.

Just excuses... I think if you let the people vote, most parents are 100% voting for security at school... metal detectors I don't know if they'd be helpful, but 100% I want former military at my sons' school... I'd happily welcome a tax increase for that...

Lol, school shootings and other mass killings have been part of our society since before our country was founded

It takes a special kind of soulless sub human to make such a statement, and I prefer not to get banned for commenting further.

I would prefer the bombs, than you very much.

Update....

Schools arent trying to admit 60K plus people. Even at Philips Arena for a Hawks game, capacity is about 16K and you can walk right through security, no waiting. Its not hard to secure schools.

The evidence says otherwise, sadly.

Nobody has really tried, sadly.

Lakewood high school

What percentage of schools in this country have security? <3% ? I feel 3% is generous

Sandy Hook didnt have security.
This school today didnt have security.

What percentage of schools with security have mass shootings? 0% ?

Um. What? I'm just speaking from facts and our history.

- Read about bath township school bombing in Michigan. 45 dead 58 injured.

UCISD's website states that the district has "proponents to curb and/or eliminate" elements of" violence, vandalism, disruptions and fear" in its schools to "provide a safe and secure environment for all."

Those proponents include four officers, including a chief, a detective and two officers within the school district; partnerships with local law enforcement agencies; security staff that patrols door entrances and parking lots at secondary campuses; case managers and social workers on UCISD campuses; licensed counselors; threat assessment teams; social media threat monitoring; a visitor management security system; canine detection services; motion detectors and alarm systems; perimeter fencing at Robb and other schools; security vestibules and outside buzz-in systems; security cameras; a locked classroom door policy; staff and student training; and a threat reporting system.




I feel like most schools are protected from people on the outside.
https://www.assaabloydss.com/en/sol...rity/2021-condition-of-education-report/

In the 2017–18 school year, 95 percent of public schools reported that they controlled access to school buildings by locking or monitoring doors during school hours. Other safety and security measures reported by public schools included the use of security cameras to monitor the school (83 percent), a requirement that faculty and staff wear badges or picture IDs (70 percent),

In 2019, about 86 percent of students ages 12–18 reported observing one or more security cameras to monitor their school, and 75 percent of students reported the presence of security guards or assigned police officers.

Clearly it wasnt enough if they allowed a person loaded with guns to walk in. A city can have several schools. Security cameras dont really stop anyone. Why not a dedicated officer and metal detector.

I have never seen a metal detector stop a shooter.

Faux security…

What percentage of schools in this country have security? <3% ? I feel 3% is generous

Sandy Hook didnt have security.
This school today didnt have security.

What percentage of schools with security have mass shootings? 0% ?[/quote]



UCISD's website states that the district has "proponents to curb and/or eliminate" elements of" violence, vandalism, disruptions and fear" in its schools to "provide a safe and secure environment for all."

Those proponents include four officers, including a chief, a detective and two officers within the school district; partnerships with local law enforcement agencies; security staff that patrols door entrances and parking lots at secondary campuses; case managers and social workers on UCISD campuses; licensed counselors; threat assessment teams; social media threat monitoring; a visitor management security system; canine detection services; motion detectors and alarm systems; perimeter fencing at Robb and other schools; security vestibules and outside buzz-in systems; security cameras; a locked classroom door policy; staff and student training; and a threat reporting system.




I feel like most schools are protected from people on the outside.
https://www.assaabloydss.com/en/sol...rity/2021-condition-of-education-report/

In the 2017–18 school year, 95 percent of public schools reported that they controlled access to school buildings by locking or monitoring doors during school hours. Other safety and security measures reported by public schools included the use of security cameras to monitor the school (83 percent), a requirement that faculty and staff wear badges or picture IDs (70 percent),

In 2019, about 86 percent of students ages 12–18 reported observing one or more security cameras to monitor their school, and 75 percent of students reported the presence of security guards or assigned police officers.[/quote]

Clearly it wasnt enough if they allowed a person loaded with guns to walk in. A city can have several schools. Security cameras dont really stop anyone. Why not a dedicated officer and metal detector.[/quote]


Good question. Idk. I hope we can get there. Granted, we can't even keep drugs or weapons out of a federally secured prison. So, my expectations are not crazy high.

Can you post evidence of a school shooter who sucessfully went through a metal detector and armed security?

And a corollary for you. Can you post evidence of where they stopped an active shooter?

https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED595716.pdf

They shooter shot the security guard.

Cant really tally people who changed their mind.

New question….

Are we selling “tactical gear” aka bulletproof vests to anyone/everyone?

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/20/1100263364/buffalo-shooter-body-armor-fewer-regulations-than-guns

Umm... This one... today -- who was in a shootout with police officers before he entered the building -- but he had them outgunned, so...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/24/texas-school-shooting-uvalde-robb-elementary

212 mass shootings countrywide so far this year. When is the country going to get serious and do whatever is needed to stop/reduce this senseless violence? Politicians are being politicians....accomplishing virtually nothing because they don't want to lose votes by offending someone. Get off your butts and make the major changes long overdue to the 2nd Amendment. Whatever it takes people....

j/c:

I am not arguing against changing some laws and also doing more to make our schools more secure, but as a former teacher I know just how hard it would be to ever stop a determined murderer. I'd say next to impossible.

Thus, I ask you all if any of you have thought about how we might want to concentrate more on creating an environment that produces fewer murderers? Just as importantly, finding ways at identifying those who are prone to such violence at an earlier age and taking steps to deal w/those people. As I said earlier, most teachers and students know which kids are exhibiting signs of being anti-social and dangerous.

For clarification purposes, I am not saying to do what I suggested in isolation. If we want tougher laws and more security than let's go w/it. But again, I don't think those two actions will ever stop a determined killer. I'd rather stop them before they ever develop.

jc

the RIP comments have already been stated, so I might as well get be reckless.....

boy, lot more comments and outrage around the country over this shooting than the one in buffalo. and why am i not surprised the latino shooter is dead while the white shooter was arrested.

regardless, i'm tired of the mental health excuses. these clowns know exactly what they're doing, regardless of demographic or upbringing.

Nothing will happen because the politicians care more about the money the NRA is putting in their pockets than the lives of our children.
So much for being pro life.

You are so dead set pointing out the left.... why don't you talk about this..

https://www.businessinsider.com/tex...uts-false-claim-transgender-woman-2022-5