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Looking more into this story, it's looking more and more like a witch hunt.

Please don't ask me any questions. I was starting to trust you and then you went off the rails last night. Yet again. You can go ahead and keep slamming me, but I am not going to respond to you for the foreseeable future.

Looking more into this story, I cannot believe the Grand Jury let this guy off.

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Looking more into this story, it's looking more and more like a witch hunt.

Regardless of the reasons for Hardin’s abandonment of any effort to win in the court of public opinion, the fact remains that public opinion ultimately fuels every decision made by the NFL under the Personal Conduct Policy. The vast majority of American businesses don’t take action against employees for off-duty misconduct, especially if there is no arrest or conviction. Even then, most employers as to most offenses allow the employee to remain employed, as long as the employee is physically able to show up for work.

The NFL’s effort to police the private lives of players comes entirely from P.R. considerations. Fans and media expect real consequences for certain type of behavior, regardless of whether it’s irrelevant to the player’s work responsibilities. Thus, at the end of the day, public opinion and fan/media expectations will influence the decisions made by the league.

What's not to believe? The entire story is about the guy getting off.

Read closely:

To the powers that be:

I get that you don't agree w/my takes, but why are 2-3 posters permitted to continually fabricate quotes from me that I never once uttered. There is no way I said that "DW is the victim of a witch him and is probably innocent." Why is that in quotation marks? I said it sounded like a witch hunt. I said the same thing when the NFL went after Ezekiel Elliot and Friel locked out the lead investigator. I never ONCE uttered that either Elliot or Watson were probably innocent. Is it possible for you guys to put a stop to these lies?

You realize this is one person's opinion piece. You realize this article is slanted "Anti-NFL" or at least "The NFL is not fair and balanced and interested in justice - only optics" which is pretty much what I have said regards believing a 10 game ban is coming come what may ... and the article is most definitely not "DW is the victim of a witch him and is probably innocent"

You realize this is one person's opinion piece. You realize this article is slanted "Anti-NFL" or at least "The NFL is not fair and balanced and interested in justice - only optics" which is pretty much what I have said regards believing a 10 game ban is coming come what may ... and the article is most definitely not "DW is the victim of a witch him and is probably innocent"

So, the question is why the hell did you insert Baker into the conversation? I don't recall a single instance of Mayfield being mentioned in the post or him playing or even a part of the Browns. So why the reference to Mayfield in a post directed entirely about Watson's issues?

I didn't say the Browns would shut down Watson. What I did say was the safe and moral way to protect the image of the team would be to tell him to clean up his issues before he plays a down. Obviously, by your LMAO comment, you don't give a crap about the image of the team as long as they play Watson. Thanks for painting that clear picture for us fans.

I inserted Baker into the conversation given your history of making one excuse after another for Baker and blaming everyone else for his problems. Thus, as an intelligent person, I have deducted that your obvious bias towards Watson is driven by your hope that Baker remains our qb. I get that and I respect your desire to have that happen. I'm just being the voice of reason in telling you that no way in hell does it happen after Baker publicly trashed his teammates by saying some guys do not care about winning and only care about their retirement fund. He will never be accepted in that locker room again and if truth be told, it is going to be hard for any team to ever bring him in into any locker room after he has trashed his teammates like that, his FO, Hue, and Duke. He has also bad-mouthed guys like the Texas qb and Daniel Jones. Folks can pontificate all they want about reasons why Baker wasn't traded for, but he reality is that he is not good enough to overcome his piss-poor attitude and immaturity.

In regards to the Watson situation..........I have maintained that I will let the legal procedures play out. Watson was not indicted in criminal court. Once that happened, multiple teams tried to trade for him. That is a fact. Indy was ruled out by the Texans because they are in the same division. Other teams did not have the capital to make the trade. Four teams agreed to the outrageous demands that the Texans asked for. The Browns ended up winning the war. Had NO or ATL acquired him, the outrage of the allegations would be almost silent. The driving force behind the outrage are the media and fans from Cleveland and most are Baker Mayfield fans.

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All the posts still exist, so I guess putting statements that were never made into quotation marks in a lame attempt to discredit another poster is acceptable. Marvelous.

My post talked about what the ARTICLE said. It did not talk about what you said or didn't say. You made a comment that "Looking more into this story, it's looking more and more like a witch hunt." and you used the article to justify it. I explained the article implied no such thing.

For someone who just wrote that you bring up Baker because you are intelligent - your comprehension skills are flat out bad, or rather they are clouded by your always wanting to be a victim and a desire to call others "Liar" when they did no such thing. It's a complete manipulation on your part. It is akin to every time you use the "alternate reality" line to dismiss someone's opinion have them crying and whining "to the powers that be" and saying you are calling them a liar each time you say that. And you say it a LOT.

Just stop. Admit you are wrong and claiming things that were never said and never implied. What was written and what was meant and discussed was the content of the ARTICLE.

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Looking more into this story, it's looking more and more like a witch hunt.

“We should know what their position is initially sometime in June, and then everybody will figure out if there’s going to be a hearing about it or can people work things out, or whatever,” Hardin told cleveland.com by phone on Friday evening. “The only thing that’s certain is that they want to try to get everything done this summer — and earlier than later in the summer. Past that, we don’t really have any firm dates or possibilities.”

Perhaps the most interesting statements are those at the end where Hardin notes a desire to conclude the process this summer.

Again, I understand that the powers that be are Baker fans and are upset about Watson, but as leaders of this board..........do you think it might be time to be a bit more fair in what is permitted and what is not?

I have no problem if someone like Baker and detests Watson. However, I do have a problem when people resort to lies and bullying attacks to silence an alternative opinion.

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Looking more into this story, it's looking more and more like a witch hunt.

WATSON EMBRACED BY TEAMMATES IN BROWNS' OFFSEASON PROGRAM

BEREA, Ohio (AP) — Deshaun Watson made a strong impression on his new teammates long ago, scrambling for first downs and rifling touchdown passes while becoming an elite quarterback playing in Houston.

Now in Cleveland, the one he makes off the field may matter more.

Acquired from the Texans in a trade last month, Watson is getting to know the Browns better — and vice versa — during the team's voluntary offseason program, which will allow the three-time Pro Bowler to focus on football while legally fighting to clear his name.

The 26-year-old has been accused by 22

There's also possible discipline from the NFL, now conducting its own inquiry to determine if Watson violated the league's personal-conduct policy.

On Wednesday, coach Kevin Stefanski acknowledged Watson's legal schedule could intersect with the team's.

“We will work through those types of things,” Stefanski said. "As you know, there are ongoing proceedings, and we will make sure that we work through those.”

The Browns did not make Watson available to the media Wednesday, leaving Stefanski and three players to address questions about what the QB's arrival means to a team that went all in to add him to its roster.

Stefanski said Watson is fitting in fine.

“He's being embraced by his teammates,’’ Stefanski said. “We’re in Day 2 of the offseason program so I think it’s like any player on your team that’s new, it takes time to develop relationships. Now is that time.”

Stefanski declined to say whether Watson addressed the Browns about his legal issues or if he was encouraged to do so.

“I am not going to get into specifics there, but I would tell you, with all of our new players when you are first around your teammates, there is a process that you go through in getting to understand people, and you can’t do that all at once and have lunch with the entire team type of thing,” Stefanski said.

“I think Deshaun, like all of our new players, understands that you have to spend time at it when you are talking about developing relationships. He has done a nice job of being around the guys.”

Cornerback Denzel Ward, who officially signed his record-setting five-year, $100 million contract extension Tuesday, didn't have any prior relationship with Watson other than playing against him.

“He seems like a great guy,” Ward said.

The Browns' decision to pursue Watson and ultimately give him a fully guaranteed $230 million contract has angered some fans. The optics are certainly questionable given the accusations against Watson, who sat out last season.

While not speaking for all his teammates, Ward said he's confident general manager Andrew Berry and the club's front office did its research before bringing in a player with character questions.

“I trust those guys. I trust what they did," Ward said. "Meeting Deshaun, he seems like a nice guy, and he’s obviously a great talent and I’m looking forward to continuing to build our relationship on and off the field.”

Quarterback Jacoby Brissett will get to know Watson better than most.

Signed as a free agent to be Cleveland's backup, Brissett could be the starter depending on whether Watson gets suspended. It's a familiar role for the veteran, who has made 30 career starts during stints with New England, Indianapolis and Miami.

Like Ward, Brissett had little personal background with Watson. They faced off twice a year in the AFC South, but Brissett said those interactions were limited to a postgame handshake and a few words.

They'll share a room in Cleveland with Josh Dobbs.

Brissett said his early interactions with Watson have been positive.

“The relationship is growing,” he said. “I wouldn’t say we’re best friends, but I can see why people gravitate to him. He seems like a really good dude. He’s very upbeat, a very joyful guy to be around.”

Along with staying ready, Brissett said he'll also be another level of support for Watson.

“I’ve been around this league to know that players, we deal with real life things, and it goes deeper than football,’’ Brissett said.

Amari Cooper never imagined his trade to Cleveland this winter would be followed by a bigger one.

Just days after the Browns acquired the four-time Pro Bowler from Dallas, Cooper was vacationing in Dubai when word reached him that Watson would be his teammate.

“I was asleep,” Cooper said. “I woke up and saw a whole bunch of text messages and stuff like that. Guys were like, ‘Man, you are lucky.’ It was some of my former teammates, and I was like, ‘What?’ It was cool. I was happy about it.”

Cooper has no doubt he and Watson will connect.

“He’s a great player. I’m a great player,” Cooper said. “We’re going to make it work by any means necessary.”

https://www.foxsports.com/articles/nfl/watson-embraced-by-teammates-in-browns-offseason-program

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All the posts still exist, so I guess putting statements that were never made into quotation marks in a lame attempt to discredit another poster is acceptable. Marvelous.

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I don't see Baker.

He's taking the photo!