'No one's paying any attention': The week that Republicans ignored Trump's election lies
Losing candidates in Republican primaries this year aren't resorting to the former president's routine.
Donald Trump has been lying about voter fraud for so long that his impugning of yet another election seemed almost inevitable.
What was more revealing was that, for the first time, Republicans appeared not to be listening.
Mehmet Oz, the Trump-backed Senate candidate in Pennsylvania, did not prematurely declare victory last week, as Trump said he should. David McCormick, who is running narrowly behind Oz, has not claimed the election is unfair.
“No one’s paying any attention to it,” said Christopher Nicholas, a longtime Republican consultant based in Harrisburg.
Ever since the 2020 election, the Republican Party has been transfixed by Trump’s baseless claim that the 2020 election was “rigged,” a falsehood large majorities of Republicans still believe. It’s an obsession that has animated primary campaigns across the country. And it will almost certainly resurface in the general election, when Republicans are running against Democrats, not one another.
Yet in Pennsylvania, Trump’s earliest effort to graft his 2020 complaints onto ballot counting in a midterm primary is falling flat. MAGA hard-liners who’ve lost primaries in other states in recent weeks have not contested the results. And when the primary calendar turns to Georgia on Tuesday, Trump’s election conspiracy crusade is likely to take another hit.
In that state, Gov. Brian Kemp is widely expected to finish first in his gubernatorial primary, despite being savaged by Trump for his resistance to Trump’s efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election.
It’s an indication, early in the midterm primary calendar, that even in a party beholden to Trump, there is a limit to his reach.
“I think the shine has gone off a bit,” said Jason Shepherd, a former chair of the Republican Party in Georgia’s Cobb County, in the Atlanta suburbs.
Republicans, he said, “are realizing it’s great to have Trump’s endorsement,” but that the former president “is not going to be the end-all and be-all.”
In Pennsylvania, where votes are still being counted, the Oz and McCormick campaigns are preparing for a potentially fierce recount, including bringing on alumni of Trump’s 2020 campaign. It’s possible, once the result comes in, that the party will once again abandon pre-Trump norms.
Mehmet Oz, a Republican candidate for U.S. Senate in Pennsylvania, waves to supporters at a primary night election gathering in Newtown, Pennsylvania on Tuesday. | Seth Wenig/AP Photo
But one Republican who has advised Trump and is familiar with both the Oz and McCormick operations said “nobody wants to be viewed as a sore loser and make allegations they can’t sustain.”
“They’re both intelligent guys,” the person said. “They’re both sane guys, and neither of them wants to embarrass himself.”
Two years ago, Republicans did not have such reservations — with losing candidates up and down the ballot copying Trump’s fraud claims or refusing to concede. They may do so again in the fall.
But Trump never limited his complaints about rigged elections to match-ups with Democrats. He accused Sen. Ted Cruz of stealing the Iowa caucuses in 2016, calling for a do-over.
Yet losing candidates so far in this midterm have been reluctant to go there. In Nebraska, Charles Herbster, a Trump megadonor and friend of the former president who attended the Jan. 6 rally in Washington that preceded the riot at the Capitol, conceded after losing his gubernatorial run. So did Idaho Lt. Gov. Janice McGeachin, after her failed, Trump-backed bid to unseat Gov. Brad Little.
Even Rep. Madison Cawthorn conceded, the North Carolina Republican’s diatribe about “Dark MAGA” notwithstanding.
None of that is because Trump — or voter fraud — does not still resonate in the GOP. Trump helped pull his favored candidates to victory in key Senate races in Ohio and North Carolina. And in Pennsylvania last week, Doug Mastriano, the far-right election denier Trump endorsed, won the gubernatorial primary.
Even candidates Trump has not endorsed are wrapping themselves in any connection they can draw to him, and his rhetoric is still being parroted by prominent personalities on the right.
Last week, Cruz told The Washington Post that mail ballots in Pennsylvania create “serious opportunity for mischief.” And Fox News host Sean Hannity, an Oz ally, also parroted Trump, saying he does not “trust … the people that have the ballots.”
But for Republican candidates this cycle, the difference between 2022 and 2020, said John Thomas, a Republican strategist working on House campaigns across the country, is that “we’re just not seeing it where people hang on his every word.”
He advises his candidates to watch Tucker Carlson every night to “be in tune” with the electorate, not Trump on Truth Social, the platform on which Trump suggested the Pennsylvania election might be “rigged.”
“You want the glow and the halo effect of Donald Trump, but he’s not shaping policy at the moment,” Thomas said. “It matters who can get that nod and that halo effect from Trump, but outside of that, he kind of feels like an ex-president to me.”
Trump will likely have a mixed night Tuesday in the next big round of primaries. His preferred Senate candidate in Georgia, Herschel Walker, is favored to win. And Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger is at risk of losing reelection after refusing to “find” votes for Trump in 2020.
But even in Georgia, which became an epicenter of Trump’s false election claims after he lost the state to Joe Biden in 2020, the tide may be shifting away from him. A recent Atlanta Journal-Constitution poll found Republican voters are more confident now in the integrity of their state’s elections than they were just several months ago.
And in a Fox News poll last week, just a quarter of Republican primary voters said it’s extremely important that a candidate identifies as a strong Trump supporter in order to earn their vote for governor. By contrast, nearly two-thirds said someone who “can win in November” is paramount, and 35 percent said it’s critical that a candidate “supports a Georgia abortion ban.”
In that race, Kemp is running so far ahead of Trump’s endorsed candidate, former Sen. David Perdue, who has made false claims about the 2020 election a centerpiece of his campaign, that he may avoid a runoff.
Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp speaks during a gubernatorial republican primary debate on May 1, 2022, in Atlanta. | Brynn Anderson, Pool, File/AP Photo
“We get it that people are still trying to exude a level of Trumpism as an attractive policy agenda,” said John Watson, a former chair of the Georgia Republican Party. “But my personal sense is that voters are saying, ‘Dude, chill.’”
He said, “I think there’s always going to be a constituency in the party, at least for the foreseeable future, that thinks that every damn election is rigged. But I think fundamentally, your average, serial primary voter is just smarter than that. I think they just believe it to be a Trump shtick at this point.”
A Trump spokesperson did not respond to a request for comment. But for the former president, the imperative of keeping the routine up is obvious. He is deeply invested in his win-loss record in the midterms, and casting doubt on the Pennsylvania election will offer him a crutch in case Oz loses.
Among traditionalist Republicans, Trump’s intervention in Pennsylvania was widely viewed as a distraction from a favorable midterm election climate for the GOP, with concerns about the state of the economy and a deeply unpopular Democratic president to run against.
“There are pressing issues that need to be addressed, like inflation and the war in Ukraine, and we have a lot of overreach in the regulatory environment,” said Melissa Hart, a former congresswoman from Pennsylvania who dropped out of the state’s gubernatorial primary days before the election. “As far as I’m concerned, it’s time to move forward.”
Trump's inner circle seems to have been a corrupt, meddling pit of vipers
The Justice Department just dropped a bombshell allegation against billionaire developer and former Republican National Committee finance chair Steve Wynn.
Steve Wynn shows off the plans for a casino in Everett during a press conference in Medford, Mass., on March 15, 2016. Jessica Rinaldi / Boston Globe via Getty Images file
By Casey Michel, author of "American Kleptocracy" May 22, 2022, 5:32 AM EDT
Earlier last week, the Justice Department dropped a bombshell allegation against one of the key figures in former President Donald Trump’s circle. According to the Justice Department, billionaire developer Steve Wynn — a man who has known Trump for years and who served as the finance chair of the Republican National Committee during Trump’s first year in office — also worked as a foreign agent on behalf of the Chinese government. As such, the Justice Department is seeking to have Wynn register as a foreign agent.
According to a lawsuit filed by the Justice Department, Wynn used his perch to liaise with other foreign agents working on behalf of China to try to convince Trump to target an unnamed Chinese dissident, including by revoking the dissident’s visa and placing him on the U.S.’s no-fly list. Wynn’s primary contact in the operation was Trump fundraiser Elliott Broidy, who pleaded guilty in 2020 to working as an unregistered agent on behalf of China — and who at one time served under Wynn as the RNC’s deputy finance chair. (Wynn stepped down as RNC finance chair in 2018 following sexual misconduct claims.)
The lawsuit goes into granular detail, highlighting, for instance, multiple text messages between Broidy and Wynn’s wife it says were sent on her husband’s behalf. The fate of the unnamed dissident was a “matter of upmost importance” to Chinese President Xi Jinping, Broidy says in the texts. Wynn also spoke directly multiple times with then-vice minister Sun Lijun on the matter, with the now-former Chinese official asking directly for Wynn’s help. Broidy later texted that Sun was “extremely pleased and said that President Xi Jinping appreciates [Wynn’s] assistance.”
According to the lawsuit, Beijing had every reason to be happy with Wynn’s efforts. Throughout 2017, Wynn pushed Trump multiple times to place pressure on the unnamed dissident, including during “what appeared to be unscheduled meetings” with Trump. At one point, the Justice Department says Wynn called Trump from a yacht off the coast of Italy to discuss the matter. Wynn even roped in Trump’s chief of staff and senior national security council figures. As the Justice Department alleges, Wynn spent months trying to convince Trump — during which he never bothered to register any of his work with the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA), the primary U.S. method of disclosing work for foreign regimes.
For reasons that remain unclear, Wynn’s alleged illicit lobbying push eventually proved fruitless, and in late 2017 he asked his contact in the Chinese government to “stop contacting him.” But Wynn’s motivations certainly seem far less mysterious. As the Justice Department describes in the lawsuit, the government in the Chinese city of Macau, where Wynn operates multiple casinos, moved in 2016 to restrict the number of tables and machines available to Wynn, threatening his revenue stream. A few months later, Wynn allegedly began doing Beijing’s bidding — and began directly discussing the fate of his casinos on multiple calls with Sun.
Through his lawyers, Wynn has denied the allegations that he served as a secret foreign agent. However, the fact that the Justice Department has filed a formal lawsuit represents a significant step forward in the U.S.’s efforts to uncover illicit foreign lobbying campaigns. Even with the recent surge in attention on foreign lobbying in the U.S., the suit against Wynn is the first FARA-related civil lawsuit in more than three decades.
And it’s not hard to see why the Justice Department resorted to such a drastic measure. Since 2018, the department says it told Wynn multiple times that he had to register his lobbying efforts — and every time, the agency says, Wynn refused.
On the one hand, the allegations are shocking. After all, the U.S. government is formally accusing a longtime Trump compatriot, and the man charged with overseeing finances for the Republican National Committee, of secretly working on behalf of a global superpower that is often at odds with American interests. One would think such an allegation would spark a wholesale reckoning among Republican Party leadership.
But instead, these allegations have been mostly met with a collective shrug. Perhaps we shouldn’t be surprised. Wynn, after all, is hardly the only member of Trump’s orbit who is accused of having tried to bend the president to another country’s will. Alongside Broidy, Trump’s campaign chair (Paul Manafort) and deputy campaign chair (Rick Gates) were both convicted of illicitly lobbying for a foreign government. The same goes for Mike Flynn, Trump’s first national security adviser, who admitted to secretly working as a foreign agent for Turkey, in addition to taking tens of thousands of dollars from the Kremlin. And Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, remains under federal investigation for also allegedly working as a foreign agent, after being connected to lobbying efforts from Turkey to Venezuela to pro-Russian forces in Ukraine. (Giuliani has denied the allegations.)
Nor is this the only major news this week regarding illicit foreign lobbyists whispering in Trump’s ear. On Tuesday, federal prosecutors revealed more details about the alleged links between the United Arab Emirates and Tom Barrack, Trump’s major fundraiser and former foreign policy adviser. As the prosecutors in U.S. Eastern District Court have alleged, Barrack’s private equity firm received hundreds of millions of dollars from the UAE’s sovereign wealth fund in 2017 — all of it coming at the same time that Barrack was allegedly inserting pro-UAE language into Trump’s speeches, and while Barrack was passing internal White House discussions to his UAE handlers.
Between the charges against Wynn and the new allegations against Barrack, Trump’s administration appears even more open to foreign meddling than was previously thought. And there’s little reason to think we won’t learn more details, and more secret connections, in the near future.
But it’s also clear that with the new lawsuit, the Justice Department is willing to use more tools at its disposal to unearth these networks. It couldn’t come a moment too soon. With Trump eyeing a 2024 presidential run, foreign dictatorships around the world are searching out any opportunity they can find to potentially tilt American policy to their benefit — and to do so, as we saw time and again under Trump’s presidency, without the rest of us knowing.
Trump shares CPAC Hungary platform with notorious racist and antisemite
Hungarian talkshow host who has called Jews ‘stinking excrement’ and Roma ‘animals’ addresses rightwing conference
A notorious Hungarian racist who has called Jews “stinking excrement”, referred to Roma as “animals” and used racial epithets to describe Black people, was a featured speaker at a major gathering of US Republicans in Budapest.
Zsolt Bayer took the stage at the second day of the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) Hungary, a convention that also featured speeches from Donald Trump, Fox News host Tucker Carlson, and Trump’s former White House chief of staff, Mark Meadows.
The last featured speaker of the conference was Jack Posobiec, a far-right US blogger who has used antisemitic symbols and promoted the fabricated “Pizzagate” conspiracy theory smearing prominent Democrats as pedophiles.
Bayer, a television talkshow host in Hungary, has been widely denounced for his racism. During the 2020 Black Lives Matter protests, he wrote on his blog: “Is this the future? Kissing the dirty boots of [censored] [racist epithet] and smiling at them? Being happy about this? Because otherwise they’ll kill you or beat you up?”
In 2011, he used the phrase “stinking excrement” to refer generically to Jews in England, and in 2013 wrote: “a significant part of the Roma are unfit for coexistence. They are not fit to live among people. These Roma are animals and they behave like animals.”
When he was awarded the Hungarian order of merit in 2016 by the country’s nationalist prime minister, Viktor Orbán, the star speaker on the first day of CPAC Hungary on Thursday, the US Holocaust Memorial Museum protested, saying it “reflects the longstanding refusal of the leadership of Hungary’s ruling Fidesz party to distance itself from Bayer, in spite of Bayer’s repeated pattern of racist, xenophobic, antisemitic, and anti-Roma incitement”.
At the CPAC event on Friday, he appeared on stage with a prominent rightwing Hungarian screenwriter talking about gender issues. Bayer focused on deriding Calvin Klein for political correctness, comparing a 2009 ad featuring a white supermodel, whom Bayer called “a very hot woman”, with a 2019 ad featuring the Black rapper Chika who he described as “not so hot”, adding: “it’s clear that this ad was born under the aegis of Black Lives Matter”.
Addressing the conference by video shortly before Bayer’s appearance, Trump poured compliments on Orbán, who was recently elected for a fourth term as prime minister.
“He is a great leader, a great gentleman, and he just had a very big election result. I was very honored to endorse him,” Trump said.
The US thinktank Freedom House has downgraded its assessment of Hungary to being a “partly free” society under Orbán and the Fidesz party, noting “constitutional and legal changes that have allowed it to consolidate control over the country’s independent institutions, including the judiciary”.
It also criticised the government for anti-immigrant, anti-LGBT+ policies and curbs on the independent media universities and NGOs.
Orbán, like many American Republicans, has embraced the “great replacement” conspiracy theory, which involves promoting the belief that the white population is being deliberately reduced by leftist policies and diluted by immigration.
CPAC, which is organised by the American Conservative Union, did not respond to a request for comment on Bayer’s participation. Matt Schlapp, the CPAC chairman, complained on its website that: “Leftist media launched a coordinated smear campaign” on the event.
“Our mission is to increase freedom and opportunity across the globe, including for those living under socialist and Communist regimes,” Schlapp said.
“To hear the condescending whines from socialist boosters in the media like the Guardian, however, you would be led to believe that CPAC stood for something very different,” he added. “In the woke, warped logic of government-financed NPR [National Public Radio], somehow calls for liberty and national sovereignty are akin to racism and authoritarianism.”
Election deniers who say Trump won in 2020 are running to be top cop in 4 battleground states
At least 15 people who push false claims about the 2020 results are running for attorney general in 14 states, including four swing states, according to a group tracking the races.
May 22, 2022, 9:27 AM EDT By Adam Edelman
In four crucial battleground states, Republican candidates who falsely contend that Donald Trump won the 2020 election are running for state attorney general.
If they win, they’d serve as their states' top law enforcement officers and would have the power to use their office to tilt the outcome of presidential elections. If Trump should run again in 2024, and the outcome is close in a handful of states, the actions attorneys general are able to take could also give Trump cover to claim falsely claim victory once again.
“To the extent that election results are challenged, or that there are attempts to undermine results, it will be the state attorneys general representing the state and the results in court that perhaps matters most to protecting the will of the voters,” said Joanna Lydgate, the CEO of States United Action, a nonpartisan group that tracks the races.
Along with the governor and, in most states, the secretary of state, the state attorney general is part of a trio of elected officials who oversee, administer, defend and certify elections and election results. Election deniers are also running in many states for secretary of state and governor.
State attorneys general have the ability to launch or defend against election lawsuits — such as ones seeking to include or challenge ballots — that can ultimately affect how and which votes are or are not counted. They also provide legal guidance to election officials on how to interpret state policies governing elections and maintain prosecutorial powers for election fraud, voter intimidation and other potential election crimes.
“It really matters that your attorney general is committed to defending the vote, no matter what the outcome is,” Lydgate said.
The power of state attorneys general was on display in 2020 in a federal lawsuit — one of at least 63 filed by Trump allies in various courts — brought by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, a Republican, seeking to overturn the presidential election results in four swing states.
Sixteen state attorneys general supported it, while the attorneys general in the four purple states at the center of the suit — Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — asked the U.S. Supreme Court to reject the suit, which it did.
According to States United Action, at least 15 men and women who have denied the results of the 2020 election are running to be their states’ attorney general in 14 states — nearly half of the 30 where there are contests for attorney general in this year's midterms. That includes four in the pivotal battlegrounds of Arizona, Georgia, Michigan and Wisconsin, whose 2020 results were all decided by just a few thousand votes. In all four, there are also governor and secretary of state elections this year, with election deniers running in nearly every contest.
This is what the election denying attorney general candidates in those states have said:
Georgia
Conservative attorney John Gordon is challenging the incumbent attorney general, Chris Carr, in the GOP primary.
The election — along with closely watched primary contests for governor and secretary of state in the state — is on Tuesday.
Gordon, who Trump has endorsed, has built his long-shot campaign around false claims that Trump won the state in 2020. (Biden won Georgia by about 11,800 votes. There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud in the state).
Gordon, nevertheless, has vowed, if elected, to open a new investigation into election fraud in 2020 and has said he will “expose the fraud” and “will prosecute the people that are responsible for this.”
Gordon didn’t respond to questions from NBC News.
Carr, for his part, has repeatedly said there was no widespread voter fraud in the state, earning the wrath of Trump, who in his endorsement of Gordon slammed Carr for doing “absolutely nothing to stop the 2020 Presidential Election Fraud which, as facts have shown, and are showing, was rampant.”
Carr’s office didn’t respond to questions from NBC News.
State Sen. Jen Jordan, the leading Democrat in the race, slammed Gordon in an interview.
“When you have a handpicked candidate who has been chosen specifically because he’s sworn fealty to Donald Trump and has promised to do whatever he can, if and when Trump runs again, that the election results are going to go in his favor, everyone should be worried,” she said.
“At the end of the day, the attorney general’s office should not be about partisan politics, or one politician or party," Jordan said. "It’s about enforcing the law and, in this case, defending the popular vote.”
Wisconsin
Karen Mueller, one of the three Republicans running for the chance to go up against the incumbent attorney general, Josh Kaul, a Democrat, claims Joe Biden didn’t win the state in 2020. The other two attended a rally where a prominent right-wing militia that sought to overturn the election was present.
Mueller, an attorney who has vowed to investigate doctors who won’t prescribe the animal-deworming medication ivermectin to treat Covid-19 patients, was part of an unsuccessful lawsuit to overturn the 2020 presidential results in Wisconsin.
In a January memo written on behalf of the Amos Center for Justice and Liberty, a conservative legal organization she founded, Mueller alleged a broad conspiracy in Wisconsin that included “wide-spread election fraud” that was in part the product of measures taken by the Obama administration and with the help of grant money provided by Mark Zuckerberg.
Her campaign website lists “election violations and fraud” as a central tenet of her platform, demanding that “the 2020 presidential election results must be decertified to restore the integrity and transparency of Wisconsin’s future elections.”
Biden beat Trump in Wisconsin by 20,600 votes. There is no evidence of widespread election fraud in the state, and claims to the contrary have been repeatedly dismissed by courts and the state’s bipartisan election commission.
Mueller didn’t respond to questions from NBC News.
Kaul’s office repeatedly defended the results of the 2020 election in Wisconsin in that lawsuit, and others.
“A different attorney general who is not committed to protecting the will of the voters could have all sorts of negative effects on the future of democracy,” Kaul said in an interview. “We need an AG who defends the will of the voters, not who attempts to undermine them.”
While Adam Jarchow and Eric Toney, the two other Republican attorney general candidates, haven’t denied the results of the 2020 election, both spoke at a rally where a flag of the Three Percenters — a right-wing militia group connected to the Jan. 6 insurrection — was prominently featured. Members of the group have been charged with conspiracy in the attack on the Capitol.
Jarchow, a former state representative, didn’t respond to questions about the 2020 election. Toney, the Fond du Lac County district attorney, also didn’t respond to questions, though he told the Wisconsin Examiner in January that he does not support the group and didn’t know the flag was on display at the event.
Michigan
Attorney Matthew DePerno — who state Republicans have already endorsed as their nominee in the attorney general race to take on Democratic incumbent Dana Nessel — has repeatedly espoused debunked conspiracy theories surrounding the 2020 election results in Michigan, winning him the endorsement of former President Donald Trump in his primary race.
DePerno filed a suit alleging sweeping voter fraud in the state, citing a 2020 election night error in Antrim County that showed Joe Biden winning the reliably red county. The problem was quickly fixed. A state trial court judge and a state appeals court judge both dismissed the suit.
DePerno has also argued that any Michigan resident should have the right to demand a vote audit of the state’s election results.
Biden won Michigan by more than 154,000 votes, a result upheld by multiple lawsuits and audits.
DePerno didn’t respond to questions from NBC News.
Nessel said in an interview that “it’s absolutely essential that you have both an attorney general and a secretary of state in these really essential swing states that believe in democracy and in following the law.”
“It’s not my job as the state’s top lawyer to pick winners in the presidential election," Nessel said.
“I don’t care if it’s a Democrat running, or Donald Trump. If he gets the most votes in the state of Michigan, he gets our electoral votes, whether I like it or not,” she added. “That’s the job, to make sure the will of the people is heard and that the election is properly certified.”
Arizona
Of the six Republicans running for the party’s attorney general nomination (incumbent Republican Mark Brnovich is running for Senate), at least two have claimed falsely that Trump won the 2020 election in the state.
“The media’s hypocrisy is on full display as they point fingers at those of us who are presenting evidence of a rigged 2020 election,” candidate Abraham Hamadeh, a former prosecutor, told NBC news in a statement.
Biden beat Trump in Arizona by about 10,500 votes, and none of the many lawsuits or audits over the results in the state uncovered any widespread fraud.
Nevertheless, in interviews and tweets, Hamadeh has repeatedly claimed Trump won Arizona.
Meanwhile, attorney Rodney Glassman told the Arizona Republic last week that Biden didn’t win the election in the state and that Trump “was cheated out of Arizona’s electoral votes.” Glassman didn’t respond to questions.
At a debate last week, two other GOP candidates in the race, attorneys Tiffany Shedd and Dawn Grove, joined Hamadeh and Glassman in saying they would not have certified the 2020 election results in the state if they'd been in a position to do so.
Shedd, Grove and the other two Republican candidates in the race — Andrew Gould and Lacy Cooper — didn’t respond to questions.
Kris Mayes, the only Democrat in the race, called it “unfortunate” that “we have so many Republican candidates who have said they will attempt to undermine the faith of our voters in our election system.”
Mayes vowed, if she wins, to “defend the result of elections here in Arizona, regardless of who wins.”
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Election deniers who say Trump won in 2020 are running to be top cop in 4 battleground states
At least 15 people who push false claims about the 2020 results are running for attorney general in 14 states, including four swing states, according to a group tracking the races.
May 22, 2022, 9:27 AM EDT By Adam Edelman
In four crucial battleground states, Republican candidates who falsely contend that Donald Trump won the 2020 election are running for state attorney general.
If they win, they’d serve as their states' top law enforcement officers and would have the power to use their office to tilt the outcome of presidential elections. If Trump should run again in 2024, and the outcome is close in a handful of states, the actions attorneys general are able to take could also give Trump cover to claim falsely claim victory once again.
“To the extent that election results are challenged, or that there are attempts to undermine results, it will be the state attorneys general representing the state and the results in court that perhaps matters most to protecting the will of the voters,” said Joanna Lydgate, the CEO of States United Action, a nonpartisan group that tracks the races.
Along with the governor and, in most states, the secretary of state, the state attorney general is part of a trio of elected officials who oversee, administer, defend and certify elections and election results. Election deniers are also running in many states for secretary of state and governor.
State attorneys general have the ability to launch or defend against election lawsuits — such as ones seeking to include or challenge ballots — that can ultimately affect how and which votes are or are not counted. They also provide legal guidance to election officials on how to interpret state policies governing elections and maintain prosecutorial powers for election fraud, voter intimidation and other potential election crimes.
“It really matters that your attorney general is committed to defending the vote, no matter what the outcome is,” Lydgate said.
The power of state attorneys general was on display in 2020 in a federal lawsuit — one of at least 63 filed by Trump allies in various courts — brought by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, a Republican, seeking to overturn the presidential election results in four swing states.
Sixteen state attorneys general supported it, while the attorneys general in the four purple states at the center of the suit — Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — asked the U.S. Supreme Court to reject the suit, which it did.
According to States United Action, at least 15 men and women who have denied the results of the 2020 election are running to be their states’ attorney general in 14 states — nearly half of the 30 where there are contests for attorney general in this year's midterms. That includes four in the pivotal battlegrounds of Arizona, Georgia, Michigan and Wisconsin, whose 2020 results were all decided by just a few thousand votes. In all four, there are also governor and secretary of state elections this year, with election deniers running in nearly every contest.
This is what the election denying attorney general candidates in those states have said:
Georgia
Conservative attorney John Gordon is challenging the incumbent attorney general, Chris Carr, in the GOP primary.
The election — along with closely watched primary contests for governor and secretary of state in the state — is on Tuesday.
Gordon, who Trump has endorsed, has built his long-shot campaign around false claims that Trump won the state in 2020. (Biden won Georgia by about 11,800 votes. There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud in the state).
Gordon, nevertheless, has vowed, if elected, to open a new investigation into election fraud in 2020 and has said he will “expose the fraud” and “will prosecute the people that are responsible for this.”
Gordon didn’t respond to questions from NBC News.
Carr, for his part, has repeatedly said there was no widespread voter fraud in the state, earning the wrath of Trump, who in his endorsement of Gordon slammed Carr for doing “absolutely nothing to stop the 2020 Presidential Election Fraud which, as facts have shown, and are showing, was rampant.”
Carr’s office didn’t respond to questions from NBC News.
State Sen. Jen Jordan, the leading Democrat in the race, slammed Gordon in an interview.
“When you have a handpicked candidate who has been chosen specifically because he’s sworn fealty to Donald Trump and has promised to do whatever he can, if and when Trump runs again, that the election results are going to go in his favor, everyone should be worried,” she said.
“At the end of the day, the attorney general’s office should not be about partisan politics, or one politician or party," Jordan said. "It’s about enforcing the law and, in this case, defending the popular vote.”
Wisconsin
Karen Mueller, one of the three Republicans running for the chance to go up against the incumbent attorney general, Josh Kaul, a Democrat, claims Joe Biden didn’t win the state in 2020. The other two attended a rally where a prominent right-wing militia that sought to overturn the election was present.
Mueller, an attorney who has vowed to investigate doctors who won’t prescribe the animal-deworming medication ivermectin to treat Covid-19 patients, was part of an unsuccessful lawsuit to overturn the 2020 presidential results in Wisconsin.
In a January memo written on behalf of the Amos Center for Justice and Liberty, a conservative legal organization she founded, Mueller alleged a broad conspiracy in Wisconsin that included “wide-spread election fraud” that was in part the product of measures taken by the Obama administration and with the help of grant money provided by Mark Zuckerberg.
Her campaign website lists “election violations and fraud” as a central tenet of her platform, demanding that “the 2020 presidential election results must be decertified to restore the integrity and transparency of Wisconsin’s future elections.”
Biden beat Trump in Wisconsin by 20,600 votes. There is no evidence of widespread election fraud in the state, and claims to the contrary have been repeatedly dismissed by courts and the state’s bipartisan election commission.
Mueller didn’t respond to questions from NBC News.
Kaul’s office repeatedly defended the results of the 2020 election in Wisconsin in that lawsuit, and others.
“A different attorney general who is not committed to protecting the will of the voters could have all sorts of negative effects on the future of democracy,” Kaul said in an interview. “We need an AG who defends the will of the voters, not who attempts to undermine them.”
While Adam Jarchow and Eric Toney, the two other Republican attorney general candidates, haven’t denied the results of the 2020 election, both spoke at a rally where a flag of the Three Percenters — a right-wing militia group connected to the Jan. 6 insurrection — was prominently featured. Members of the group have been charged with conspiracy in the attack on the Capitol.
Jarchow, a former state representative, didn’t respond to questions about the 2020 election. Toney, the Fond du Lac County district attorney, also didn’t respond to questions, though he told the Wisconsin Examiner in January that he does not support the group and didn’t know the flag was on display at the event.
Michigan
Attorney Matthew DePerno — who state Republicans have already endorsed as their nominee in the attorney general race to take on Democratic incumbent Dana Nessel — has repeatedly espoused debunked conspiracy theories surrounding the 2020 election results in Michigan, winning him the endorsement of former President Donald Trump in his primary race.
DePerno filed a suit alleging sweeping voter fraud in the state, citing a 2020 election night error in Antrim County that showed Joe Biden winning the reliably red county. The problem was quickly fixed. A state trial court judge and a state appeals court judge both dismissed the suit.
DePerno has also argued that any Michigan resident should have the right to demand a vote audit of the state’s election results.
Biden won Michigan by more than 154,000 votes, a result upheld by multiple lawsuits and audits.
DePerno didn’t respond to questions from NBC News.
Nessel said in an interview that “it’s absolutely essential that you have both an attorney general and a secretary of state in these really essential swing states that believe in democracy and in following the law.”
“It’s not my job as the state’s top lawyer to pick winners in the presidential election," Nessel said.
“I don’t care if it’s a Democrat running, or Donald Trump. If he gets the most votes in the state of Michigan, he gets our electoral votes, whether I like it or not,” she added. “That’s the job, to make sure the will of the people is heard and that the election is properly certified.”
Arizona
Of the six Republicans running for the party’s attorney general nomination (incumbent Republican Mark Brnovich is running for Senate), at least two have claimed falsely that Trump won the 2020 election in the state.
“The media’s hypocrisy is on full display as they point fingers at those of us who are presenting evidence of a rigged 2020 election,” candidate Abraham Hamadeh, a former prosecutor, told NBC news in a statement.
Biden beat Trump in Arizona by about 10,500 votes, and none of the many lawsuits or audits over the results in the state uncovered any widespread fraud.
Nevertheless, in interviews and tweets, Hamadeh has repeatedly claimed Trump won Arizona.
Meanwhile, attorney Rodney Glassman told the Arizona Republic last week that Biden didn’t win the election in the state and that Trump “was cheated out of Arizona’s electoral votes.” Glassman didn’t respond to questions.
At a debate last week, two other GOP candidates in the race, attorneys Tiffany Shedd and Dawn Grove, joined Hamadeh and Glassman in saying they would not have certified the 2020 election results in the state if they'd been in a position to do so.
Shedd, Grove and the other two Republican candidates in the race — Andrew Gould and Lacy Cooper — didn’t respond to questions.
Kris Mayes, the only Democrat in the race, called it “unfortunate” that “we have so many Republican candidates who have said they will attempt to undermine the faith of our voters in our election system.”
Mayes vowed, if she wins, to “defend the result of elections here in Arizona, regardless of who wins.”
Trump, Trump, Trump,Why don't you guys talk about something current Like Sleepy's Approve rating or Hunter's laptop orHillary starting the Russian lie?
I guess you can't read the dates on those articles. Doesn't get much more current than today, and while you are being deliberately obtuse, we all know he has the cult under his thumb and still calls the shots.
Your feelings and opinions do not add up to facts.
As far as the election goes, you’re going to tell me a man that literally campaigned from his basement accrued ~15 million more votes than the first African American president in history? GTFO
Watch 2000 Mules and you’ll see significant evidence of how the election was turned in Joes favor.
LMAO, I'm sorry, did you think Biden earned those votes? Let me mansplain something... The absolute HATE for Trump, his despicable administration, and his supporters drove that vote. Biden would have been elected if he was a moldy loaf of bread.
Last edited by OldColdDawg; 05/22/2208:11 PM.
Your feelings and opinions do not add up to facts.
How about you stop talking about Trump and start talking about the disaster that is Joe Biden and the communi… I mean Democratic Party? Gas is 4.50 a gallon and inflation is at 11%, let’s talk about that.
LMAO, I'm sorry, did you think Biden earned those votes? Let me mansplain something... The absolute HATE for Trump, his despicable administration, and his supporters drove that vote. Biden would have been elected if he was a moldy loaf of bread.
LMAO, I'm sorry, did you think Biden earned those votes? Let me mansplain something... The absolute HATE for Trump, his despicable administration, and his supporters drove that vote. Biden would have been elected if he was a moldy loaf of bread.
No need to insult moldy loaves of bread.
Only blue cheese would think that an insult.
Your feelings and opinions do not add up to facts.
So you can actually see some real evidence about what happened in the 2020 general election rather than turning a blind eye and believing everything the pathetic main stream media tells you.
Let me guess I bet you were right there from 2016-2018 believing “the Russians” got Trump elected hahaha pathetic
How about you stop talking about Trump and start talking about the disaster that is Joe Biden and the communi… I mean Democratic Party? Gas is 4.50 a gallon and inflation is at 11%, let’s talk about that.
You talk about facts and then post the inflation rate is 11% !
You post like you think Biden is responsible for all of it - he's not even responsible for most of it. You tell OCD he needs a different media source because he's being led astray by a false agenda -- and then you come along and talk this schtick. Maybe you need to reassess your own sources.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
So you can actually see some real evidence about what happened in the 2020 general election rather than turning a blind eye and believing everything the pathetic main stream media tells you.
I'd love you to tell me the facts about the 2020 election. Please enlighten us. Hopefully your facts are more factual than the inflation rate you just quoted.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
I guess because in a court of law you have to actually have real FACTS that can be challenged and proven to be false if they are not actually factually (like an inflation rate at 11%) .... and since nearly 200 court rulings verified there is no mass voter fraud - zero evidence to substantiate the claims ... it took a movie that isn't under the same constraints of a court room and where the movie can create it's own "facts" that aren't based in reality and don't need to be defended for you to get your facts? OMG
You know - I bet there are movies out there that tell you the holocaust wasn't real. I know there are movies out there telling you the twin towers collapsed because our government did it. You can say anything in a movie.
Last edited by mgh888; 05/22/2208:25 PM.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
You say a little over 8% like that’s ok… that fact is they changed the method in the 80s to downplay inflation. Its actually sitting around 11ish percent. I’m paying 4.50 per gallon of gas and 3.99 for a gallon of milk.
So you can actually see some real evidence about what happened in the 2020 general election rather than turning a blind eye and believing everything the pathetic main stream media tells you.
Let me guess I bet you were right there from 2016-2018 believing “the Russians” got Trump elected hahaha pathetic
Even the geolocation maps in ‘2000 Mules’ are misleading
One appears to be a map of Moscow.
What filmmaker Dinesh D’Souza would like you to think is that he and his partners at the conservative activist group True the Vote have cracked the case of the 2020 election. D’Souza’s new film, “2000 Mules,” purports to show a grand conspiracy of collecting and submitting ballots in that election, enough to have made Joe Biden the president. But, as we’ve noted, not only does the film completely fail to provide any evidence of that being the case, even D’Souza admits that he didn’t have the evidence that would have been required to prove it.
The film has already been subjected to a battery of debunkings, from the implication that the cellphone geolocation data essential to D’Souza’s case helped solve a murder (it didn’t) to claims that individuals shown depositing more than one ballot necessarily depict criminal activity (they don’t).
Ultimately, viewers are asked to take a leap of faith: That the videos shown in the film are, in fact, of people who had been tracked by their cellphone use and that True the Vote and D’Souza have the data to prove it. But, it turns out, multiple visual presentations of that geolocation data depicted in the film clearly don’t show what D’Souza would have you believe.
A misdirected ‘mule’
The heart of the film centers on a conversation between D’Souza and Gregg Phillips, the person at True the Vote responsible for compiling and analyzing the geolocation data. This is data that your phone collects as you move and which is aggregated and sold to marketers. Phillips claims that, by analyzing a huge set of data from swing states, he and his team were able to identify people — pejoratively labeled “mules” — who traveled to multiple ballot drop boxes and to nonprofit organizations, suggesting a nefarious plot to cast suspect ballots.
Again, the movie does not prove this case at all, and we’re left to trust Phillips’s word for it. Not a great idea, mind you, given that Phillips in November 2016 announced that he had found 3 million illegally cast votes in that year’s election — a claim elevated by Donald Trump before it became obvious that Phillips had absolutely no evidence of the claim.
In “2000 Mules,” he sits at a table with D’Souza and explains his new claims of fraud. Below, for example, you see Phillips’s tablet as D’Souza asks him a question. (Phillips is off-screen to the left.)
Zooming into the tablet screen, you see that it is displaying a map. It appears to be the same map that is a focal point at another part of the film, showing what Phillips claims is a map of one “mule’s” movements.
“What you see here on this screen is a single person on a single day in Atlanta, Georgia,” Phillips explains. “They went to 28 drop boxes and five organizations in one day.”
“What are the orange dots?” D’Souza asks.
“Those are drop boxes,” Phillips replies.
“And what is the blue tracks?” D’Souza continues.
“That is a smoothed-out pattern of life,” Phillips says, “so that we could take the movement of the individual cellphone signals, marry them together into something that is visual. So that you can see movement on the individual.”
But an anonymous Twitter account called “Angry Fleas” noticed something: Those orange dots don’t appear to conform to actual drop-box locations.
We can pull the listed drop-box locations from Fulton and Gwinnett counties for the 2020 election, the area covering most of what Phillips’s map shows. It looks like this, with the outlined circles showing the drop boxes.
When we superimpose that map on the one shown in the movie, it becomes clear that Angry Fleas is correct. The orange dots are not drop-box locations.
If we zoom in, that becomes more clear. In some places, the orange dots are close to drop box sites. But often, they’re not. What are those three dots to the northeast of the red circle below, for example?
This is of critical importance, because the entire crux of the film depends on the accuracy of the cellphone data. If Phillips’s team was using incorrect drop-box locations, none of its conclusions are reliable.
In an email to The Post, Phillips said that “the movie graphics are not literal interpretations of our data.”
Even if the orange dots did align with the white circles, that of course doesn’t prove Phillips and D’Souza correct. True the Vote provided its data to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation (GBI), which declined to investigate. In its response to True the Vote, the GBI noted that True the Vote identified drop box “visits” using a radius of 100 feet; if you came within 100 feet of a drop box, it counted. That’s a broad range.
But it also depends on knowing where drop boxes were located at the library or county building where they were placed. If you don’t, how can you know that your 100-foot radius includes it at all?
That level of criticism is not useful if the orange dots are, in fact, miles away from any actual drop box.
Dropping off ballots in Russia
Phillips and D’Souza could certainly argue that the map above is shown for cinematic effect. Fair enough, though the dialogue certainly implies that this is an actual person’s actual route. In some cases, though, the maps shown are more clearly for effect — though casual viewers might be forgiven for not knowing that.
Consider the still below, shown as a voice-over explains how True the Vote compiled its data. It shows a city with red dots indicated — purported cellphone geolocation pings. There’s an overlay showing a car pulled up next to a drop box with someone stepping out. The implication is clear: This is someone being tracked near a drop-box site.
If we zoom in on the map, though, something seems off. The drop-box site shown in the overlaid photo is one that elsewhere in the movie is described as being in Gwinnett County. But the accompanying map depicts a river running through the city, which doesn’t exist in Atlanta. So what’s this showing?
A group of Internet sleuths tracked it down. Simply flip the image …
... and it becomes clear. That’s not Atlanta; it’s a stock photo of a different capital.
Moscow.
There’s another point at which the same Moscow map is used, rotated 90 degrees. It, too, purports to show someone moving around an American city.
It is at least ironic that an effort to prove that the 2020 election was stolen uses a map of the capital of Russia to display its purportedly irrefutable digital fingerprints. But it’s not something we can simply laugh off. The central point of “2000 Mules” is that Phillips and True the Vote found that evidence. In the movie itself, the times at which that evidence is displayed undercuts instead of bolstering their argument.
Amy Gardner contributed to this report. It has been updated with Phillips’s statement.
LMAO, Dinesh D’Souza is on the same level of Project Veritas and Charlie Kirk. You should put zero faith in the ineptitude they've shown time and again.
Your feelings and opinions do not add up to facts.
Yeah you “googled” 2000 Mules, of course the first 5 pages of links are all going to be negative articles because that’s what google does because google if alt left just like the other 99% of media. Actually watch it and it is very much based on facts.
You say a little over 8% like that’s ok… that fact is they changed the method in the 80s to downplay inflation. Its actually sitting around 11ish percent. I’m paying 4.50 per gallon of gas and 3.99 for a gallon of milk.
Nope.
I say "a little over 8%" --- because that's what the inflation rate is. You were banging on about facts and how OCD didn't have facts, that you had all the facts ... then you said inflation is 11% ... while at the same time belittling another poster about 'facts'.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
You are linking an article from the Washington post lmao. That’s exactly what they want you to do. Instead of actually watching the movie they want you to “google” it so google can direct to some left wing article “debunking” it. Man you guys are a Democrat dream.
Disputing Trump, Barr says no widespread election fraud
By MICHAEL BALSAMO December 1, 2020
WASHINGTON (AP) — Disputing President Donald Trump’s persistent, baseless claims, Attorney General William Barr declared Tuesday the U.S. Justice Department has uncovered no evidence of widespread voter fraud that could change the outcome of the 2020 election.
Barr’s comments, in an interview with the The Associated Press, contradict the concerted effort by Trump, his boss, to subvert the results of last month’s voting and block President-elect Joe Biden from taking his place in the White House.
Barr told the AP that U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but “to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.”
The comments, which drew immediate criticism from Trump attorneys, were especially notable coming from Barr, who has been one of the president’s most ardent allies. Before the election, he had repeatedly raised the notion that mail-in voting could be especially vulnerable to fraud during the coronavirus pandemic as Americans feared going to polls and instead chose to vote by mail.
More to Trump’s liking, Barr revealed in the AP interview that in October he had appointed U.S. Attorney John Durham as a special counsel, giving the prosecutor the authority to continue to investigate the origins of the Trump-Russia probe after Biden takes over and making it difficult to fire him. Biden hasn’t said what he might do with the investigation, and his transition team didn’t comment Tuesday.
Trump has long railed against the investigation into whether his 2016 campaign was coordinating with Russia, but he and Republican allies had hoped the results would be delivered before the 2020 election and would help sway voters. So far, there has been only one criminal case, a guilty plea from a former FBI lawyer to a single false statement charge.
Under federal regulations, a special counsel can be fired only by the attorney general and for specific reasons such as misconduct, dereliction of duty or conflict of interest. An attorney general must document such reasons in writing.
Barr went to the White House Tuesday for a previously scheduled meeting that lasted about three hours.
Trump didn’t directly comment on the attorney general’s remarks on the election. But his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani and his political campaign issued a scathing statement claiming that, “with all due respect to the Attorney General, there hasn’t been any semblance” of an investigation into the president’s complaints.
Other administration officials who have come out forcefully against Trump’s allegations of voter-fraud evidence have been fired. But it’s not clear whether Barr might suffer the same fate. He maintains a lofty position with Trump, and despite their differences the two see eye-to-eye on quite a lot.
Still, Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer quipped: “I guess he’s the next one to be fired.”
Last month, Barr issued a directive to U.S. attorneys across the country allowing them to pursue any “substantial allegations” of voting irregularities before the 2020 presidential election was certified, despite no evidence at that time of widespread fraud.
That memorandum gave prosecutors the ability to go around longstanding Justice Department policy that normally would prohibit such overt actions before the election was certified. Soon after it was issued, the department’s top elections crime official announced he would step aside from that position because of the memo.
The Trump campaign team led by Giuliani has been alleging a widespread conspiracy by Democrats to dump millions of illegal votes into the system with no evidence. They have filed multiple lawsuits in battleground states alleging that partisan poll watchers didn’t have a clear enough view at polling sites in some locations and therefore something illegal must have happened. The claims have been repeatedly dismissed including by Republican judges who have ruled the suits lacked evidence.
But local Republicans in some battleground states have followed Trump in making unsupported claims, prompting grave concerns over potential damage to American democracy.
Trump himself continues to rail against the election in tweets and in interviews though his own administration has said the 2020 election was the most secure ever. He recently allowed his administration to begin the transition over to Biden, but he still refuses to admit he lost.
The issues they’ve have pointed to are typical in every election: Problems with signatures, secrecy envelopes and postal marks on mail-in ballots, as well as the potential for a small number of ballots miscast or lost.
But they’ve gone further. Attorney Sidney Powell has spun fictional tales of election systems flipping votes, German servers storing U.S. voting information and election software created in Venezuela “at the direction of Hugo Chavez,” – the late Venezuelan president who died in 2013. Powell has since been removed from the legal team after an interview she gave where she threatened to “blow up” Georgia with a “biblical” court filing.
Barr didn’t name Powell specifically but said: “There’s been one assertion that would be systemic fraud and that would be the claim that machines were programmed essentially to skew the election results. And the DHS and DOJ have looked into that, and so far, we haven’t seen anything to substantiate that.”
In the campaign statement, Giuliani claimed there was “ample evidence of illegal voting in at least six states, which they have not examined.”
Full Coverage: Election 2020
“We have many witnesses swearing under oath they saw crimes being committed in connection with voter fraud. As far as we know, not a single one has been interviewed by the DOJ. The Justice Department also hasn’t audited any voting machines or used their subpoena powers to determine the truth,” he said.
However, Barr said earlier that people were confusing the use of the federal criminal justice system with allegations that should be made in civil lawsuits. He said a remedy for many complaints would be a top-down audit by state or local officials, not the U.S. Justice Department.
“There’s a growing tendency to use the criminal justice system as sort of a default fix-all,” he said, but first there must be a basis to believe there is a crime to investigate.
“Most claims of fraud are very particularized to a particular set of circumstances or actors or conduct. ... And those have been run down; they are being run down,” Barr said. “Some have been broad and potentially cover a few thousand votes. They have been followed up on.”
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Associated Press Writers Lisa Mascaro and Eric Tucker contributed to this report.
Yeah you “googled” 2000 Mules, of course the first 5 pages of links are all going to be negative articles because that’s what google does because google if alt left just like the other 99% of media. Actually watch it and it is very much based on facts.
Yep - the type of facts that don't need to withstand a courtroom. When in the courtroom the evidence and facts provided to support the "stolen election" was ....NADA.
You keep your Hollywood facts. I like my courtroom facts better.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
You are linking an article from the Washington post lmao. That’s exactly what they want you to do. Instead of actually watching the movie they want you to “google” it so google can direct to some left wing article “debunking” it. Man you guys are a Democrat dream.
Oh well go get me the gospel from Billy Bob's PEDO DEM BIDEN BAD EVERYTHING BLOG OFFICIAL NEWZ by RiCkY DiPsIt so wE-cAn-GeT-rEaL-nEwS... smh, stop talking to me, you are a lost soul down an endless rabbit hole full of lies and misinformation. I truly feel sorry for folks like you who think they are representing the truth.
Last edited by OldColdDawg; 05/22/2208:44 PM.
Your feelings and opinions do not add up to facts.
William Barr is a joke why are you bringing him up.
Here we are in 2022 and the original poster is posting about Donald Trump because it’s and article he found on the internet. That’s because the internet doesn’t want you talking about the disaster that is Joe Biden and the Democratic Party.
If we are going to talk about Trump how about we talk about…
The minute an outsider takes office we get cheap gas, cheap food, became energy independent, no wars and focused on our countries own problems.
Establishment hacks get back in and we have inflation, medical tyranny, WW3, and we need to take out a mortgage for gasoline.
I don't know you from Adam. But you are exactly the person you are claiming OCD to be. You tell OCD that any article or news piece that he references about Trump (who is the leader of the Republican party and who will be the candidate in the 2024 election) is because he has been brain washed and he is unable to think critically for himself. Yet all you post and have said is the exact same thing but from a fringe, Alt Right, bordering on the crazy Q-anon B.S.
The truth is in the middle. Biden is not perfect. Hell I don't know if he's "good" - and hell he's made a lot of mistakes. But then compared to the former POTUS #45 - Biden looks like a genius. And just so you know - OCD really really does not like Biden. Biden is a centrist (probably not what your sources tell ya but there you go) - OCD is much more progressive than Biden. You'd probably call him a communist - you'd be wrong - but that moniker seems to be what the Alt R seem to want to call someone with a progressive political persuasion. Oh well.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
Now you go ahead and explain to me how Biden looks like a genius compared to Trump. Then explain to me how Biden is a centrist.
I don’t need sources to tell me Biden is something other than a centrist because I know he is not just by observing his policy and looking at the things he has already done as president. This is also precisely how I know that YOU don’t think critically for yourself. If you did you would know Joe is nothing close to a centrist, the only way you could possibly believe this is because the media told you so.
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