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Players do their bast to rally around their team mates. IF Baker would ever be the starter again, they would rally around him just like they would any other starting QB. These players and coaches will constantly be bombarded by questions surrounding watson as long as this thing persists. We need to stop pretending that NFL players are some kind of super humans that can just block all of that out.

Their football careers depend on their production and numbers. They're not going to let their futures be impacted because of some fan perceived issue with Baker on the field.

Agreed, people keep confusing what happens outside of football w/what happens in the locker room and on the field. Baker's gone. He burned his bridges w/his immature behavior.

Just a question about Baker. How do we make a trade if he isn’t rehabbing in Cleveland? Nobody knows how healthy he is right now, nobody knows if he is even throwing a football yet. Bridges have been burnt on both sides, does anybody answer the phone if either one calls the other?

I think what is very forgotten is that in week 18 of last year , Mayfield told the media "I need to do whats best For my future" and he proceeded to passively quit that week
I think that action that Mayfield took did not sit well with the roster
I guarantee you if the Browns had to beat the Bengals in week 18 to ensure a playoff
Berth he would have strapped it up.
But the Browns were eliminated yet 53 guys went to battle and beat Cincinnati
Then in a March , BM demands a trade from the Browns
Yet somehow the got the Mayfield Fan Club acting like he is a victim
Baker isn't the team player he presents to the medIa and fans
He opted to play through a injury last year based ego , not whats best for the team

That is such BS. Is he a turd for NOT playing the last, meaningless game? Or a turd for powering through to help his team win while they were in contention? Do you even recognize the hypocrisy in that post? Those 53 guys that went to battle? How many of them had an injury - that they had since before halftime of game #2 - that would require surgery at the immediate end of the season?

Not to mention that you have NO IDEA what Baker is or is not. What everyone DOES know is that he's much better than Brissett...and the powers that be need to figure out a way to bury the hatchet that they drove into Baker's back.

You need to start hating on dashaun then. He demanded a trade and abandoned his teammates for an entire season.

Playing at less than 100% after the Texans game is not a good look and quitting on your team when your out of playoff Contention is not a good look.
Is he better than Brisett? Well he should be ,he was the 1st pick in the 2018 Draft
But I do recall Brissett one year with the Colts threw for 18 TD and 6 INT
Which was better than Bakers season last year
So Brissett and Mayfield are not that far apart in what they bring to the table
I do know one of them is taking snaps for the Browns
And the other is hoping to get signed this year

Just so I am clear. Everyone knows that, without Watson, baker gives us the best chance to make the playoffs but our roster is populated with junior highers who would allow some personal offense to prevent them from playing with him. Sorry, I don’t buy it. Our guys are adult pros who want to win and if baker gives us our best shot they will line up with him and give it their best shot!

To be clear, Baker called out Stefanski twice last year. He said the Browns were too conservative against Baltimore and then talked about not making adjustments in the last Pittsburgh game. After that game, Baker said he wold consult w/his agent and family about whether or not to play in the season final against the Bengals. Baker did not include the coaching staff or the Brown's organization. He chose to act like a child instead of an adult. Then, he told Shefty that it would be best for both parties if they parted ways after the Watson thing went down. Afterwards, he did a podcast and accused teammates of not wanting to win and only caring about their retirement fund, blamed the turnover in the coaching staff, said he wanted to go and boo fans while they were in the cubicle, and said he felt disrespected. He is an emotional midget w/an ego that far outweighs his abilities on the field. One can only imagine how bad it was behind the scenes. I don't think there is any chance that the Browns would take Baker back.

No amount of personal attacks by the usual suspects will change the above facts and I will not partake in the exchanging of insults.

We know - you only like to give them out.

j/c:

I have been thinking about the comments that have been made since this all went down about how the Brown's players are not in Jr. High or whatever and are professionals and how others on here work w/people they don't like. I don't think some folks understand a professional locker room. I certainly am not an expert on the matter, but I've known some guys, especially back in the day when we all first started talking on here. I think the old-timers remember my scoops about guys like Leon, K2, etc.

One must understand that these guys are being paid. Almost all of them have extended families to support. It's a business and you don't mess w/another man's money. You don't get in the way of winning. If anything, these guys are much less tolerant of someone who gets in the way of them conducting their business. There are guys in the league who were living in cars as kids. Now, they have a chance to take care of not only themselves, but a lot of their loved ones.

Former players have addressed Baker's attitude and comments over and over and over. Guys like Damien Woody, Marcus Spears, Ryan Clark, Rob Nikovich, Tedi Bruschi, Louis Reddick, Chris Canty, etc. They don't like Baker. They don't think he is a very good player. And they sure as hell don't like how he runs his mouth, his arrogance, and immaturity. I think these guys have a real good feel for the locker room. Certainly better than all of us. I think things are at a point where Baker is going to have a hard time finding a landing spot. Word gets around. Robbie Anderson saying Noooooo or something close to that when there was a report of Baker going to Carolina and then doubling down on it tells a story. Words from a former NFL Exec in Scott Pioli saying he would not bring Baker Mayfield into his organization due to playing the victim and not taking accountability mean something. As does the leagues lack of interest in trading for Baker and the Browns wanting to move on from him. Personal attacks on a message board won't change those realities.

Sssshhhhh...

Too late. You've been doing that for months now.

Which is exactly why they wouldn't let their future value be put at risk by some personal BS like you have claimed. They will perform to the best of their ability no matter who is under center because their families well being and their future earnings depend on it. If they play or produce poorly, their future earnings are greatly impacted in the negative. How you can write what you posted and ignore that fact is beyond me.

Yeah, but he hasn't done it here...... yet.

Any of those guys play on the same team and the same time as Baker?

If you are going to list the players that don't like Mayfield, isn't it only right that you list the ones that do? Chubb, Hunt, Higgins, Garrett! Aren't his teammates more meaningful than a bunch of guys that make a living being talking heads?

As usual, your facts are incorrect. I'll stand behind my comments.

No, his facts are not incorrect. He pretty much nailed that IMO. Those talking heads are just talking heads, paid to criticize and bash when the opportunity serves to justify dumb crap pulled by an NFL owner. In the same way, they are bashing the DW trade all over the place. BUT, I don't think I've seen you posting that 20 times a day.

Hunt? Really? Higgins? Eh........see Robbie Anderson. Myles made his comments awhile ago. He has supported Watson since then. He has also asked OBJ to come back. He has not publicly asked the same of Baker. He was right about Chubb, but Chubb also endorsed Watson.

And, as usual, Daman missed my point. There is a difference in a locker room from what happens away from football as to what happens in the locker room and on the field. Players accepted A. Peterson after he beat his son's privates w/a whip. They accepted Hardy who turned his women's face into the Elephant Man. They accepted Mixon after he threw a haymaker at a woman because she was trying to stop Mixon from harassing her gay friend. They accepted Kobe after rape charges. Same w/Kaep.

What they don't want to accept is a guy who calls out teammates and coaches in public. A guy who makes excuses and plays victim while not taking accountability. A guy who loses games and they get blamed for his issues as if they are not good enough.

So, while the charges against Watson are far, far more serious than the character issues about Baker, they are two totally different things. And there are a few posters trying to say that myself, and maybe others, are comparing them in the overall grand scheme of things, but I know I am not. They are separate. Of course sexual misconduct is far worse than bad-mouthing teammates, but the locker room is a different place and some folks are in denial about that reality.

Nope, you are trying too hard. They all showed support for Baker and "Any of those guys play on the same team and at the same time as Baker?" he was spot on with this bit. No amount of protest will sway me, you are wrong. At least in him not being correct. And honestly, I have to question why any of them changed direction since. Obviously, they knew Baker was on his way out, DW was the new guy, and the FO wanted a feel-good story for PR purposes... I can't imagine why they would say those things. Let me ask you a simple question to prove my point. ARE YOU SERIOUSLY GOING TO SAY, that Miles Garrett is down with the type of crap DW is accused of OR the crap DW has openly admitted? Really? I bet if DW walked into Miles's gym, AND HE WASN'T the new 'guy'; Miles would escort him out by the nape of the neck and an 'about to crush, tear off, and smack him upside the head with em' grip on his balls. Miles damn sure ain't down with DW at this point, bank that.

I am not wrong. Research Hunt's dad.

Myles? Here are his words:



Myles is far more mature than much older men.

And you believe after the 66 number came out and DW's attorney made his very telling gaffe, that Miles is in his corner just because he's here? You must know a much different Miles than I do. I mean the MIles I know would take a helmet to a dude's head over some crap like that.

OCD - I am not going to try and tell you what players think. That's anyone's guess - but based on their words, the people that played with Baker supported him. Newsome and I think it was JOK just came out and said good things about Baker too and that was while praising DW, so it's after the decision that Baker is no longer the guy.

I'm not going to get into appraising Baker. He has lots in his game where things break down and he struggles. We've seen videos and break downs. This notion that all of a sudden teams 'figure him out' - I think is a stretch. After year 1 - he had a bad year, married, overweight, over confident and Kitchens as the HC. I think those are bigger factors. While I am not going to talk about Baker's ability or struggles, I am going to talk one final time on this idea the injury didn't impact him much. And here - it doesn't get any simpler than this:

After a strong finish to 2020 - in 2021:
First two games starting healthy: 40 comp 49 attempts. 81.6% completion %
Remaining games when injured: 213 comp 369 attempts. 57.7% completion %

Maybe teams 'figured him out' - maybe the injury played a bigger part. Maybe he was lucky in those games - like he got lucky vs Cinci where he completed 21 attempts in a row. I don't for a second believe he keeps going at 80% for the season when healthy, but I think I know why there was such a bad drop off. jmo

j/c:

If anyone is interested in accuracy, you can click on this link and watch the video of Newsome and JOK talking. Both were praising OBJ as the best teammate and Newsome said something about the crazy thing is that Baker was a great teammate, too. Watch and decide for yourselves what really was said.


https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports.../95-d060c395-a40d-43df-a484-68843a48ed94

Newsome talked about how OBJ would talk to him after practice about technique and other things. JOK was agreeing w/him. Btw-------Myles Garrett has asked OBJ to come back to Cleveland. Other teammates have spoke highly of him. Of course, you know more than they do about OBJ.

I think you are missing the point of why that video - I mistakenly made a comment that Newsome and JOK made positive comments about Baker while also praising DW - it was in fact OBJ they were talking about.... Meh. They still said positive things about Baker even knowing he was leaving the team which is the point I made.

Once again I ask that people actually watch the video. JOK did not say anything positive about Baker. In fact, please pay close attention to JOK when Newsome praised Baker. I am asking folks to believe me over the other poster. Please watch for yourself who is being accurate.

mac, the Browns have had internal discussions about bringing OBJ back. I posted a video about it after Myles came out and asked OBJ to come back to Cleveland. Myles has not asked for Baker and the Browns to work things out. He did say something nice about Baker like he'll land on his feet "somewhere else."

As far as the other thing goes........I have simply asked that posters watch the video and decide for themselves who is being accurate w/their assessment of what Newsome and JOK said. I did not realize allowing people to make up their minds was a bad thing. I still encourage folks to read the articles and watch the videos I posted about that demonstrated that Baker's issues did not come from his injured arm but a plethora of other things that have been an ongoing thing that did not just begin last season. So again, I encourage people to watch the videos and read the text themselves to make up their own minds who is being truthful and who is or is not "ignorant" and "biased."

The second paragraph of mine was addressing a post by another poster [not mac] that has disappeared. Probably for the name calling that it contained. I just don't want people to think that I was blaming mac for the second paragraph. I'm not.

Vers, you might have picked this hill to die on, but covering for DW while constantly tearing down Baker is a bad look man. You do you, but I'm good with my approach. And it's not a Baker fanboy thing like you would like to paint it, it's a living-in reality thing when it comes to what all has transpired with both QBs. Now if DW somehow avoids suspension and plays this year, Baker is just gone and that's that. But if DW is taken off the board AND Baker is still here under contract, then it is in the best interest of both Baker and the team that he takes the field. Sure if egos get in the way, Jacoby will be the guy, but don't insult us by saying or pretending Jacoby is the same or better than Baker at this point, there is NOTHING I'm aware of to factually back that statement up. I'm pretty sure I don't have to beg people to watch clips or see it from my point of view to see the merit in what I'm saying. With that, I'm done with this topic for now. There are too many variables to even talk about it rationally until we see what the DW situation is going to be for this season.

OCD does not speak for me. There is so much off about that post regarding to what I think that I will just let it go, but he is misrepresenting my opinions. Perhaps he is doing so unintentionally, so I won't argue. Just clarifying that his takes are NOT my opinions.

No Vers, I don't speak for you. But I did represent what I've gleaned from your many posts, and if I'm off in any way, it's a matter of personal interpretation completely without intended malice. And there is no right or wrong in hypothesizing what may or may not happen in this situation, it's all perception and speculation, including trying to decipher where you stand.

If Baker is excused from mandatory OTAs, I think he won't play at all during the season, even in the case of injuries or clearly being a much better option.

j/c:

I hope the deal gets done.

Have to maximize any return. Even if it is to get a 5th instead of a 6th rounder - or 4th instead of a 5th.

Carolina is a bad team. They have a WR who publicly said "Noooo" to wanting Baker on their team. It doesn't sound like a place to have success, but it's a one year rental.

I was in the mind of getting the most we could for him, I think at this point the sooner he is gone the better. Pay him and release him if need be.

Yeah, if I was Baker, there's no chance at all that I'd sign an extension to play there. Do whatever 2022 rolls out and then hit free agency and take your pick of the suitors.