Cleveland sports radio, around noon had asked this in a poll and reported with a Ouick I600 votes it was 45-55%. I kind of Flipp Flopped on my feelings on whether I'd like to see the Browns sign OBJ back in the next 20 minutes, but I figured.
If Myles Garrett wants OBJ back, as per reports he's asked him. If Myles Garrett wants OBJ back on the Browns, Then I do too
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
Bring back OBJ , let's be honest ...what could it hurt ? He wouldn't cost a bunch He's coming into a locker room that is drama free He would have a QB that would make a effort to Get him the ball. If healthy and signed he automatically becomes the #2. He is a proven downfield threat. Does anyone really think Anthony Schwartz is going To really make that mercurial leap from rookie bum To 2nd year dynamo?
I could live with him being back at a bargain; he would have more value with DW. I figure OBJ to be part a time signing, with injuries a seeming fact of life at this age in his career. If MG wants him, I am open to that nugget.
OBJ, well, maybe.
But no part of me wants his dad and his nonsense around the team. That sideshow is not welcome in The Land.
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Wouldn't bother me one bit if we got OBJ back. But wait!!! Just suppose DW gets suspended, which is likely, and Baker becomes our QB again in the interim....... OH my, these scenarios. Only with the Browns!!!! Sort of like; ROCKET SCIENCE!!!!!!
I would want OBJ back because he is an excellent receiver and he is a good teammate. Many of his teammates have had his back and spoken highly of him over the years despite the media's portrayal of him. I agree w/bone though about OBJ's availability. I do not know this for a fact, but I keep hearing he won't be ready until November or December, although this surgery went better than his previous one.
Bard, I don't think OBJ's dad would be a problem. Watson or Brissett will throw him the ball.
One player acts out and it is drama and me attitude. Another player acts out and it is passion and fire. Personally, I'd rather have a teammate who hit a kicking net than challenging a fan to a fight before the game or grabbing his crotch during a game. But, that's just me. I can live w/either if they perform.
Just sitting here thinking...............and I know there is almost no chance of this happening, but......
Watson throwing to OBJ and Cooper w/Bell and DPJ as our 3rd and 4th WRs. Njoku at TE. Chubb, Hunt, DJ at RB. A great OL.
OMG.........we would be unstoppable! We would have the best offense in the league. I know it almost certainly won't happen, but it could.......and man, that would be freaking awesome!
Until the Overthinking offense would feature Miller Forristall, and Harrison Bryant, and the Fullback toss, on allll the crucial downs. / ... I'd also like to see Nick Foles throwing to those targets, as I recall he was recently available if even for a just a second. (~3 years ago I said 3 of my top 5 Obs in the league to have on the Browns would be Baker, Deshaun, and Nick Foles, (Russell Wilson, Tannehill and Drew Brees) and ya coulda had all 3.)
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
Myles Garrett recently recruited OBJ to come back. Brown's players have spoke highly of him. I put more stock into their take than those who don't know him.
I'd be surprised if OBJ ever plays again. Two ACLs on same leg, second one being no contact.. he's done
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OBJ is the guy that told other players and coaches to come get him out of Cleveland. He has inure the ACL on the same leg twice. He hasn't been a big contributor since prior to coming here.
Those are red flags.
If the cost and expectations are low enough it could work though.
Myles Garrett recently recruited OBJ to come back. Brown's players have spoke highly of him. I put more stock into their take than those who don't know him.
Not sure what you mean by "stock", I suppose that means that you see him as a good teammate. That brought another question to mind though... beyond players, what do you think the FO would think of the prospect?
I mean there's more than enough evidence that he really didn't want to be here, and that spans almost his entire time here (making that mentality a little hard to blame on Mayfield in totality). Then he was making audition tapes (my opinion) of him running up treadmills at full speed long before the season, yet he decided he wasn't ready to go in week 1 and 2. All of this turmoil (rumors, poor QB play, critical drops, daddy's video) resulted in him basically demanding his release. Do you think Berry and co would ever want OBJ under contract as a Brown again?
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When would he realistically be able to play? I imagine he had the surgery fairly quickly after the injury. Any news on the rehab?
Not sure, but I have heard reporters speculating that it would probably not be until November or maybe even December. Obviously, that is a huge factor.
I am not going to answer a lot of your questions because I don't feel like a certain someone attacking me again. I will say that there are a lot of contradictory reports out there about why he wanted out. I believe what he told Stephen A Smith as the reason why and SAS spoke about it on the air multiple times. The reasons sounded legit to me because they were more football detailed than SAS's standard knowledge. I will answer your last question, though. I do think Berry would want him back. He's a good player and a good teammate.
With all of that said...........I think the chance of him returning is almost non-existent.
Fate, here is a video you can look at. You might not agree w/the guy's take [LOL] there is mention by both guys that the Browns have had internal discussions about bringing OBJ back. Now, I know that the latter would never come back if Baker was still on the team, so this might be an even more important story than we think.
That's cool. Berry's demeanor concerning player negotiations can be taken either way. He seems extremely fair in granting players the ability to explore opportunities and has been more than fair (including with OBJ) in expediting their release. I tend to think "that guy" would rest more along the lines of not bending over to rebuild any bridges that have been burned, and I feel like OBJ burned the bridge.
Hell no. He wanted out the second he got here, then scapegoated Baker to get his wish. The guy is cancer, and I watched him drop catchable balls numerous times. After the fact, I can't be sure those drops weren't intentional. But he suddenly got a little better when he finally got the trade he wanted from DAY ONE. Why the hell would anybody want that guy back? It's mind-boggling to me.
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Your feelings and opinions do not add up to facts.
Myles Garrett recently recruited OBJ to come back. Brown's players have spoke highly of him. I put more stock into their take than those who don't know him.
So, then, Baker's your QB. Because Myles in on record as saying "That's my QB!" and being ready to throw down for him.
Maybe you can stop pretending to hate Baker so hard now that this is out in the open. Publicly embrace your Baker, bro.
As for OBJ... Hell No. I cannot fathom a single reason to bring him back. He wanted out, he's out. Beyond that, he's now recovering from his second ACL surgery on the same knee? I'll pass.... let's get someone that can still play on Day 1.
They say the first surgery was a "bad surgery" and everything is "great" with this one, but what else are they going to say? During his recovery from the first one the rhetoric was "everything went great" and "rehab is going great", with lots of Instaface pics and tiny video clips showing how awesome everything was.... only for him to be unable to go Day 1 despite all signs pointing to him being able to go. He has nothing we need.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
As to the question of if we would want OBJ back. Right now I think that is a moot point. Why would you sign a player now that won't even be able to play until late season? He has torn the same ACL twice in a short period of time. Neither of those are good indicators or conditions to consider signing a player.
I'll leave the character potion out of it. The character issue has sailed down the river. It seems very few care about that aspect anymore. Unless of course it's Baker.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
As to the question of if we would want OBJ back. Right now I think that is a moot point. Why would you sign a player now that won't even be able to play until late season? He has torn the same ACL twice in a short period of time. Neither of those are good indicators or conditions to consider signing a player.
I'll leave the character potion out of it. The character issue has sailed down the river. It seems very few care about that aspect anymore. Unless of course it's Baker.
I have been following the news. If your refering to the Watson situation I'm pretty Stefanski is really emphasizing keeping the Locker room Free and clear of that situation I'm certain the players in that locker room have one united mindset Getting ready for opening day vs the Panthers Like I said it's a drama free locker room. The WRs are going to make or break this offense And right now that WR room has a lot to prove You got a dependable #2 masquerading as #1 And the rest are unproven. The Browns don't have one WR that scored more than 3 TDS Last year other than Cooper .That's troublesome.
Thinking that the watson incident isn't in the minds of these players is naive at best. This situation is the very definition of drama. 100%. Stefanski doesn't go home with these players. He doesn't control what they read and hear. Let's not try to live in pretend world.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Thinking that the watson incident isn't in the minds of these players is naive at best. This situation is the very definition of drama. 100%. Stefanski doesn't go home with these players. He doesn't control what they read and hear. Let's not try to live in pretend world.
I think the players are focused and ready to attack the season With or without Watson this year The players can't control what happens with Watson So why worry ?
The same reason people worry about all kind of things they can't control. Because it impacts them on a personal level. Players future earnings are based on their production. It's based on their numbers. It's based on if they are on teams that win. Brisset isn't watson and the impact on many of these players is directly connected to the outcome of how this thing plays out. Especially if your contract ends after the 2022 season.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Never wanted him, hoped for the best when we got him. Of all the little things he did that bothered me, the shoe thing was the worst, especially when he put on a show for the sideline cameras. He was great several years ago. Not anymore.