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Authorities: 3 dead, trooper wounded in Maryland shooting

https://news.yahoo.com/sheriff-multiple-victims-shooting-maryland-203027028.html

SMITHSBURG, Md. (AP) — A man opened fire at a business in western Maryland on Thursday, killing three people before the suspect and a state trooper were wounded in a shootout, authorities said.

The Washington County Sheriff’s Office said in a news release that three victims were found dead at Columbia Machine Inc. in Smithsburg and a fourth victim was critically injured. The suspect then fled in a vehicle and was tracked down by Maryland State Police, according to the news release.

The suspect and a trooper were wounded in an exchange of gunfire, the sheriff's office said. Both were being treated for their wounds.

Authorities did not have information on whether the suspect and victims were employees of the company where the shooting took place, Sheriff’s Office Sgt. Carly Hose said at a news conference.

News photographs showed a large law enforcement presence, including emergency vehicles, at the scene.

Smithsburg, a community of nearly 3,000 people, is just west of the Camp David presidential retreat and about 75 miles (120 kilometers) northwest of Baltimore.

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but them high gas prices though. i wonder if gas prices are also going up because oil companies need to make up the profits being lost due to dead americans from gun violence. shout out to the state trooper who tried to intervene. at least there's one cop willing to be a good guy with a gun. the South seems to be lacking a few of those.

hey can somebody tell me when these well-regulated militia are gonna protect the rights of others?

i've seen them playing army in their backyard, storming capital buildings, and threatening protestors. haven't seen much else, though.

Maryland is the poster child for gun control.

I wonder how many people in the area the state deemed worthy of self protection (the answer is likely none).

Just another example of libtards using tragedy to further their agenda.

If the door had been locked this never would have happened.
Its not hard to add security to the enterance of schools.
It works for stadiums with 50K people entering.
It can work for a school.

Another Democrat Narrative Fails: School Resource Officer + Locked Doors = DEAD Bad Guy and SAFE Kids in Alabama on Thursday

School resource officer + Locked doors = DEAD bad guy and SAFE kids in Alabama on Thursday
JUN. 9, 2022 5:14 PM BY FRED T

Whodathunkit? In Alabama today, a man “aggressively” trying to enter a school was shot and killed, thanks to a school resource officer and, get this, a daggon LOCKED DOOR.
Ya know, the stuff Democrats are trying not to do to protect America’s children because it would take attention away from their gun control fundraising? That.





Gadsden City Schools Superintendent Tony Reddick told ABC 33/40 that the man was aggressively trying to get into the building. Reddick said the man went to several doors trying to get in. When the principal saw this, they locked down the school and called the school resource officer who then called for backup.

The Alabama Law Enforcement Agency later identified the man as 32-year-old Robert Tyler White.

Sheriff Horton said White was shot outside of the school and the SRO, a Rainbow City police officer, who engaged White was taken to the hospital with minor injuries.

That’s how it’s done. This is called protecting the vulnerable.

Like the tweet says, this is the way.

https://therightscoop.com/school-re...uy-and-safe-kids-in-alabama-on-thursday/

so the cops in Uvalde are literally engaged in a coverup, and threatening the woman who ran into save her kids with obstruction of justice because she's talking to the media.

what response?

and the other thread is locked, genius. how was i supposed to respond to a post i didn't see in a thread that's locked?

i really hope you're not on other message boards arguing about IQ scores....

The cops might be able to arrest her, but it would take the DA to go through with the charges.
As for cover-up...I guess you could call it that. Some might call it damage control after a poor decision.

Either way, it was a bad deal.

Originally Posted by PitDAWG


Actually, I can back up everything I am saying with actual data.


There are about 4-5 million vets who would be between 18-54 and of those... 1 million would not be "mentally fit" to guard a school. So, personally, I wouldn't want a vet watching my child's school unless they went through rigorous mental exams.This is why I said I don't think there are enough vets who are fit or would want to do it as a job that would pay around 18/hr to 20/hour and risk their life.



It looks like you found 3 instances (not sure if you can find or if that was all you could find) where they purchased their guns legally and 2 of those had severe mental issues (who probably shouldn't be allowed to have a gun in the first place).

I personally went through and found the info on school shootings and the far majority were either gang-related or after school hours when school was not actually in session.

plus.... (see the tweet on the last page) 75% of all mass shootings are gang-related shootings (and the data below thanks to snopes).


Here is more factual data that is not skewed by the media


https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/05/26/how-many-school-shootings-2022/

Education Week (EW) had recorded 27 school shootings in 2022

what people are conveniently leaving out
The criteria for the shootings was incidents:

where a firearm was discharged
where any individual, other than the suspect or perpetrator, has a bullet wound resulting from the incident
that happen on K-12 school property or on a school bus
that occur while school is in session or during a school-sponsored event


Everytown noted that mass shootings like the one at Sandy Hook (and more recently at Robb Elementary in Texas), represent less than 1% of overall school gun-violence incidents

They added that common incidents of gun violence involved “specific individuals, arguments that escalated, acts of domestic violence, parking lot altercations, and robberies where the school was an unfortunate backdrop .”


In 2022, the center tracked two instances of an active-shootersituation, and 136 instances with a non-active shooter. We should note that an “active shooter,” according to the FBI, is “an individual actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a populated area.”

I agree with you that it's bad either way. But is it really "either way"? But how does calling a cover up, damage control change the fact that they're the same thing? I mean you can come up with a milder version of saying something is a lie, but no matter what you call it or how you slice it, it's still a lie. I don't see that as an either or situation.

wait, you're mad at me for not responding to a back and forth you were having with Pit?

originally posted by pit, followed by a quote from a post i didn't make.

can i get some clarity on this before i respond, or should i just YOLO this like you're apparently doing. let me know.

well.... that's embarrassing - I apologize. you and I were going back and forth and I didn't see that it was pit who jumped in the middle of it.

And that's how a message board works. It's not a private conversation between two people on a message board. It's an open discussion that anyone and everyone can join in. That's why there's a PM feature that allows for two people or more to engage in private chats or discussions. You're welcome.

Nothing you posted changes the fact that we need to make our schools safer. Nothing changes the fact that more and more of those shootings that END IN MASS DEATHS are carried out by people between the ages of 18-21. Nothing changes the fact that that you provided nothing more than your own opinion on there not being enough veterans and retired police officers to fill those roles in our schools. Nothing but your own opinion says that these shooters were too mentally disturbed to buy these weapons. And how would anyone know that if these shooters had never been diagnosed? How will adding money to mental health insure people go out and get the help they need? How do you plan to address that?

All you did was change the narrative that in no way addresses the issues we were discussing..... at all.

A Disturbing New Pattern in Mass Shootings: Young Assailants

Six of the nine deadliest mass shootings in the United States since 2018 were by people who were 21 or younger, a shift from earlier decades.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/02/us/politics/mass-shootings-young-men-guns.html

LOL.........I think everyone has to admit that is pretty funny.

oh yeah, it is. I own my mistake 100%

I am fully aware that I'm not perfect. I'm blessed with being human.

Mother whose son was shot 'point blank in the head' decimates Dem gun control agenda: 'I don’t need the government to save me'
CHRIS ENLOE June 10, 2022

Gun rights activist Lucretia Hughes delivered powerful testimony to lawmakers on Wednesday, making her case for why more gun control laws will not solve gun violence problems.

What are the details?
During testimony before the House Oversight Committee, Hughes told lawmakers how her son became the victim of gun violence six years ago when he was shot "point blank in the head."

But her tragic loss only emboldened her belief that the Second Amendment is necessary for protection, and that gun control laws will never rectify the problems that led to her son's murder.

"My son's death resulted from a criminal with an evil heart and a justice system failing to hold him accountable for laws he had already broken," Hughes said. "You see, a convicted felon killed him with an illegally obtained gun. Gun control lobbyists and politicians claim their policies will save lives and reduce violence. Well, these policies did not protect my son."

Importantly, Hughes noted that cities with the strictest gun control laws often struggle most with gun violence. She called lawmakers "crazy" if they think more laws are the solution.

Instead, Hughes said the Second Amendment and defending one's right to self-defense is the correct path.

"How about letting me defend myself against evil? Do you think I’m not capable or trustworthy to handle firearms?" Hughes said. "You who call for more gun control are the same ones that call to defund the police. Who is supposed to protect me? We must prepare to be our own first responders to protect ourselves and our loved ones. I am a legal, law abiding citizen.

"I don’t need the government to save me," she declared.



Instead of gun control, Hughes said schools need more armed personnel and mental health professional to ward off future mass shootings. She also advocated for the elimination of gun-free zones and more firearm education.

She outright said the Protecting Our Kids Act, the Democrat-pushed gun control bill passed after Uvalde, will not make Americans safer.

"Despite living with the heartache of the loss of my son daily, I believe that it is our God-given right to defend ourselves from acts of violence," Hughes said. "Taking away my rights and the rights of law-abiding citizens will not bring [my son] Emannuel back, but it will embolden criminals. We all want the same thing. To be safe.

"Gun owners are not the enemy and these gun control policies are not the solution," she concluded.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/lucretia-hughes-blasts-gun-control

To me this is simple, Republicans want to kill kids so they can have guns....

I hope it didn't seem like I was making fun of you. It just made me laugh and I was hoping we all could have a little chuckle for a moment given how it's so contentious around here on almost every forum.

Then, there is this.

I think that's quite an exaggeration to put it mildly. But I do agree that every choice we make as a society has its cost and repercussions. And as a society we all must consider what costs we are willing to pay...

I'll agree, there's something simple here.

Nom nom nom

Babies are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

You uncouth Philistine, you. It's called 'catsup' (I'll rock it Olde Schoole 4 lyfe), and by either name, it's still a hideous condiment to use on babies. Thick, clumsy, overbearing... slather that mess on infant protein, and redstuff is all you'll ever taste.

Me likes my baybay with a tarragon-infused lemon butter/white wine/light brown sugar reduction.
Paint it on thin, frequently... and let it build up a nice bbq lacquer... as the spit quickly turns over slow, gently glowing coals.

But please- do go on... wit yo' Fred Flintstone palate. Please feel free to treat your baybay main course like Fred's Bronto burger from Trog's Basement Burnmeat Pit. We all must 'live our best us' in this world, knowhatimsayin'?

Ketchup? On Prime USDA choice Baybay?
ZERO Michelin stars for you.

--Disclaimer: I feel bad laughing at all the baby jokes, but I couldn't help but laugh.

OF COURSE it's an exaggeration. Naturally it is. And yes, of course I know better.... But, there is the reasonable view that Guns are more Important to gun lovers then safety for the public.. (for Children)



What's wrong with Red Flag laws? What's wrong with severe background checks? What's wrong with banning certain military grade weapons from the general public? what's wrong with a waiting period?


Now, it's upon those that love guns more than safety to explain WHY?

As for the person that said kids are crunchy, you should be ashamed of your total lack of humor... HORRIBLE>

So exactly what is a severe background check?

Something like having national security clearance?

Waterboarding while interrogating whether or not the prospective gun owner will ever use it for illegal purposes?

On the surface and in principal, nothing. But the devil is in the details. Let's face it, that's a rather arbitrary term. What do you mean by that term? Should anyone simply be able to accuse you of saying something and they can take your guns? Could an ex or someone who just doesn't like you be able to say you threatened to do them harm or yourself harm and that be enough to take a persons guns? Or should there be some judicial process that insures the accused be able to defend himself in court first? I understand that a lot of terms are being thrown out, but before any of them are acted upon, there must be some sort of defined framework in place.


Once again, exactly what does that mean? You see, as much as we should have concern for trying to slow the number of mass killings and shootings, at the same time we can't run roughshod over the rights of others.


Once again I'm trying to determine exactly what you mean. As I've explained before, the past pistol I bought has a 19 round capacity and came with three magazine that can be exchanged in a matter of a couple of seconds. That allows for 57 rounds of ammo to be fired in as quick of amount of time as an assault rifle as it's called. So is my pistol a military grade weapon? Because it can do a great deal of damage in rapid fire succession as most of the so called military grade weapons.


I don't see anything wrong with it. I'm not for banning AR-15's or anything that is considered a military style rifle. There's no doubt in my mind that weapons such as my own pistol could easily be used to accomplish the same goal. I also actually own those type of weapons as well and for me that's just an emotional response to the problem that will accomplish nothing in the grand scheme of things.


The problem is it won't bring the safety you think it will. The problem is you are speaking with a broad brush without anyone knowing what these things actually mean. We must be careful about enacting things that infringe on the rights of others that will help nothing based purely on emotional responses.

Maybe it's those that are tossing around these vague term to explain exactly what it is they're proposing here.


I understand why you might feel that way. But humor is subjective.

Well, they got their hands on all those interior UVs that Trump wanted people to shove up inside them. You can guess the rest.

As far as red flag laws:

There was a bar owner near here who's wife claimed he had abused her. The claim was a lie but since there was a domestic complaint against him he had to give up his gun, because common sense.

He was later shot and killed leaving his bar by men she hired. She knew he wasn't going to be armed leaving due to the domestic complaint. She never showed up to the hearing so the complaint went away, but because guns are so scary one might not ever get them back here.

While this is an extreme example this did seem to violate his 5th amendment due process rights.

Would you require me to explain if I used the term "exhaustive" Background Check...

I went through a National Security Clearance check and it was a breeze... Course I don't have anything to hide...but that's just me..

I'm for anything that will make kids safer.. ANYTHING.. (i bet you are as well) if it means bending over and saying AHH,, I'm good with that. (I'm ok with a cavity search as well) Whatever it takes.

I'd be willing to try anything. Even the things that people say won't work.... If it don't work,, find, scrap it and try something else...

But please,, don't tell me to lock every door in a school except one and make sure that one is guarded. I'm pretty sure you'd have a problem with every fire marshal in the country..

If you think that would save kids,,, what the hell,, Try it.

Hey, if you don't agree with my suggestions, please, come up with your own... But don't be one of those that stick their heads in the sand and hope all will be well someday... Or worse, one of the morons that support one door in or out of a school... That's just idiotic and unsafe...

As for humor,, if you knew me personally, You'd know I have a great sense of humor.. But that just wasn't funny in light of 19 kids getting killed by a 18 year old kid who just went out an bought two AR-15 Style rifles and enough Ammo to do the job 10 times over. (where did he get the money for all that,,, that stuff ain't cheap)

And like so many, you took each thing i said and decided you were going to tell me WHY they wouldn't work but offered nothing of value you think would work..... (yes, I get the irony, I did ask gun lovers to tell me why)

besides,, Politicians in DC work for US... All of us. and at it turns out, the Majority of Americans want gun control in some form...... You put this stuff on a national ballot,, guns would be gone in a heartbeat..... Believe it or not, I don't even want that.

What, exactly, was your "national clearance check, and what did it consist of?

Didn't it come out that in Uvalde, one of the reasons the police waited so long to go in was that all the doors were locked and they couldn't get in? Thus allowing the shooter to kill even more children

Perhaps.

What I don't get is the police not going in immediately. Reports have said the shoot had some 45 minutes to over an hour of no police interaction. Why did the shooter not do more damage. Nothing adds up to me.

Moron, idiotic, unsafe? Look in the mirror. That's exactly what most public schools in the country do during school hours. In our district, all but the front door are locked once the school day begins. Visitors have to go in the front door where the security officer sits. They are able to be opened easily from the egress side in case of emergencies.