But please,, don't tell me to lock every door in a school except one and make sure that one is guarded. I'm pretty sure you'd have a problem with every fire marshal in the country..
No you wouldn't. Every emergency exit in a movie theater is locked for those trying to get in and very easily opens for people trying to get out.
It's been that way for decades.
Tell you what, how about we make getting a gun and voting the same? Both have similar requirements to be eligible..or should.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
But please,, don't tell me to lock every door in a school except one and make sure that one is guarded. I'm pretty sure you'd have a problem with every fire marshal in the country..
No you wouldn't. Every emergency exit in a movie theater is locked for those trying to get in and very easily opens for people trying to get out.
It's been that way for decades.
Tell you what, how about we make getting a gun and voting the same? Both have similar requirements to be eligible..or should.
Libards would rather further their political agenda and let kids die than use common sense and lock down schools. The gas station down the block is more secure than some schools.
Yea, let’s have the kids go to a glorified prison for school.
One way in, one way out, armed guards everywhere. And conservatives got the nerve to talk about indoctrination, while advocating to indoctrinate our kids into a prison culture, a police state.
Seriously, say this crap out loud at home instead of just writing it. Then maybe you’ll understand how crazy y’all sound.
They don’t even have armed teachers and guards like that in war torn countries. They don’t even have that in Latin American countries controlled by drug cartels.
But somehow in the US, this is an acceptable reality for you?
We are a third world country. I don’t want to hear about richest, most free, or any of that nonsense from conservatives when you argue for crap like this.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Yea, let’s have the kids go to a glorified prison for school.
One way in, one way out, armed guards everywhere. And conservatives got the nerve to talk about indoctrination, while advocating to indoctrinate our kids into a prison culture, a police state.
Come on, man! Prison cullture? The doors aren't locked from the inside. Each school has one resource officer. The school board that approved this is loaded with liberals.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
I pretty much agree w/a lot of this take. I have expressed how terrible the environment was at the Alternative school I worked at in E. Cleveland. Armed guards, pat downs, metal detectors, dogs sniffing for drugs and the like, cameras everywhere, etc. Nothing quite like starting your day walking through a metal detector, being patted down and having dogs sniff out your locker.
Swish, where I disagree w/you and others is just how effective changing the gun laws will be. Think prohibition. It actually gave birth to more criminals and mafia took full advantage of folks not being able to get booze. Violence actually escalated. Same thing w/illegal drugs and the Cartels becoming involved and all the violence that comes w/gangs roaming our streets. Does anyone really believe that criminals won't be able to get guns if the laws become stricter? Again, I am not opposed to changing some of the gun laws. I just don't think gun legislation should be our main focus.
I think we need to spend more time researching social issues. Social media bullying is a real thing and the suicide numbers keep escalating. People are much more cruel on social media outlets than they are in real life. I guess there is some empowering about being able to say whatever you want w/out getting your jaw jacked. Look at this board for just an example. There are about 4-5 posters who attack anyone who has a different opinion. These are older guys. I think one is in his 60s. Imagine him as a teen and on social media trashing his fellow students who don't fit in like he does? I think we need to really put a lot of research into finding what triggers violence, whether it be suicides or mass murderers and then take steps to correct the problem. It will be a long, arduous effort that will be painful and expensive. Along the way, we can legislate some laws regarding gun control to appease the masses.
bro i've been with you on that since day one. but think about that for a second.
that doesn't just help lower mass shooting incidents, but gang related shootings as well. you KNOW better than anybody on this board from an adult standpoint that a lot of these kids in impoverished communities are also not socially and mentally well. yet somehow, only one demographic seems to get the mental health excuse, while the others are treated as if they were born that way and aren't worth helping.
but that requires increased government spending like the last time i told you. but republican voters hate government spending, remember? so here we are. since republican voters don't want to spend on mental health facilities, don't want to spend to get kids out of poverty, don't want to spend to health have more counselors in schools, the ONLY thing people like me can then try to lower is the firearms themselves.
that's all we have, because the other side doesn't want to do ANYTHING meaningful.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
You are right, I do know something about what so many of our impoverished children have to deal with. I will limit it to just one example, but I could write all day on similar stories. I had a kid who was 17 when he entered my classroom. Big, strong, muscular, good-looking kid. He would beat the crap out of other kids when triggered. Other times he would dance around like a girl w/a scarf as a prop. I used to speak to his foster mother all the time. She was afraid of him and had her bedroom booby-trapped because she thought he might kill her. She never gave up on him, though. She told me that when he was 5 years old, his birth mother used to sell him out to men who used in for sexual purposes in exchange for crack. Explained a lot.
I hear you on the government spending. It ain't gonna happen right now. That's why I believe the American public start focusing some of their outrage on politicians to do more to help our children. You know me, Swish........I'm not a "sides" guy. I just want things accomplished by people working together. I think we need a massive overhaul on how we treat one another and focus more on working together instead of all this negative energy that only widens the divide.
Truthfully, I don't see it happening. I'll keep preaching, but it is what it is. In the meantime, and you are already probably doing this because you are invested in your girls, make sure you prep them for the social media bullying and how to handle it if they ever find themselves on the wrong side of the hate and maliciousness that is so prevalent. Man, being a pre-teen and teen can be so tough w/all the changes they are going through and not really knowing their place in the world and then some get bombarded w/hate, bullying by multiple people, etc that it is no wonder why teen suicides are sky-rocketing and we are creating social misfits who want to murder large groups of people.
Society needs to take a look at itself before anything else. I'll stop preaching for a bit and we can back to our regularly scheduled program. LOL
But please,, don't tell me to lock every door in a school except one and make sure that one is guarded.
And why not? I thought you said you were willing to try anything that would work? So you promote a cavity search but not securing our schools? You do realize they do that at every courthouse in America, right?
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Hey, if you don't agree with my suggestions, please, come up with your own... But don't be one of those that stick their heads in the sand and hope all will be well someday... Or worse, one of the morons that support one door in or out of a school... That's just idiotic and unsafe...
First off you didn't actually make any suggestions. You threw out vague terms with no definition as to what they actually mean. If you would actually define what you mean by those terms rather than just throw out word salad, there would be something to base a discussion on. So far there isn't. And nobody has suggested "only one way out". That would be dangerous in case of a fire or any other need for students to immediately evacuate the building. So you've never heard of doors that lock from the outside but not from the inside? They're in a lot of places. Check out a county courthouse. Do they deserve better protection than our own schools? And if this wouldn't work at schools, why is it we aren't seeing mass shootings inside our courthouses?
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As for humor,, if you knew me personally, You'd know I have a great sense of humor.. But that just wasn't funny in light of 19 kids getting killed by a 18 year old kid who just went out an bought two AR-15 Style rifles and enough Ammo to do the job 10 times over. (where did he get the money for all that,,, that stuff ain't cheap)
Since 6 out of 8 of America's most deadly mass shootings have been committed by people between the ages of 18-21, I'm all for raising the age of people permitted to buy semi automatic weapons to 21.
As for a sense of humor I never even suggested you didn't have a good sense of humor. What I said is that what's funny is subjective. Different people have differing opinions about what is and what isn't funny. I understand why you don't think it's funny. I'm not sure what part of that you missed.
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And like so many, you took each thing I said and decided you were going to tell me WHY they wouldn't work but offered nothing of value you think would work..... (yes, I get the irony, I did ask gun lovers to tell me why)
I didn't say all of them wouldn't work. You have still refused to address that a semi automatic pistol can fire off 57 rounds almost as fast as an AR-15 and my question if you consider that those should be illegal too has gone ignored. So once again I'm looking for you to define what it is you mean and you just refuse to answer any of it. In at least two of your examples I asked what the actual definition was of the vague terms you were using. Not that they wouldn't work. And you would still rather point the finger at me rather than actually address anything or explain what those vague terms mean.
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besides,, Politicians in DC work for US... All of us. and at it turns out, the Majority of Americans want gun control in some form...... You put this stuff on a national ballot,, guns would be gone in a heartbeat..... Believe it or not, I don't even want that.
Only far left extremists would support what you are suggesting. First you make the statement that most Americans want gun control "in some form" which is true and so do I. Then you go off the deep end and suggest that means "guns would be gone in a heartbeat" Those are not the same thing and that's totally false.
I'm for red flag laws if due process is involved. I'm not for red flag laws where the accuser does not have due process. I didn't say they wouldn't work. I said the devil is in the details. I'm for thorough background checks as long as we don't start prohibiting every person who has needed counseling at some point in their life from buying a weapon. It's the idea that these things be expanded too far that concern me.
All I asked you for were the details in these vague terms you tossed out. In return you've offered nothing.
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I guess there is some empowering about being able to say whatever you want w/out getting your jaw jacked. Look at this board for just an example. There are about 4-5 posters who attack anyone who has a different opinion. These are older guys. I think one is in his 60s.
Yes, you are in your 60's.
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Imagine him as a teen and on social media trashing his fellow students who don't fit in like he does?
I imagine you were a nightmare
Your judgemental, holier than though attitude acting like you're the decider of character is hilarious when you act just like the people you think you're describing.
You despised me when you met me and you didn't "jack anybodies jaw". You wouldn't have dared to try it. You claim others are so bad while you promote assault as an answer. You do realize that's a crime, right?
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Since 6 out of 8 of America's most deadly mass shootings have been committed by people between the ages of 18-21, I'm all for raising the age of people permitted to buy semi automatic weapons to 21.
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In this 6 of 8 were NOT between 18-21, only 2 were in your range (and I'll give you 21 or less).
What, exactly, was your "national clearance check, and what did it consist of?
Daman - interested here: What was your 'national clearance check' for, and what did it involve?
Daman, you're posting all over, but here. I asked a simple question. do you have an answer?
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't see that you asked.. My clearance was DOD Top Secret. As for what it's for, I don't honestly know if I can say so I simply won't..
Sorry I missed your question.. I wasn't avoiding it.
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that a one way in, one way out puts children more at risk for everything else than just mass shootings.
by the way Vers, just FYI, we call those 'choke points' in the military. basically like shooting fish in a barrel. it's easy to shoot off door hinges and locks, and by having there being only 1-2 ways to exit a building, you basically gave a mass shooter everything he can ask for. he doesn't even have to aim, just spray and pray, and he's guaranteed to hit multiple bodies. it's far more complicated to obtain multiple casualties if there are multiple points of entry/exit, due to the fact that from wherever the mass shooter enters, people inside can exit from multiple directions. the moment we create a one way in, one way out situation, guess who ALSO knows that? the shooter.
it's a perfect ambush. have one shooter create chaos from one direction, and the other shooter pick them off as they file out the one exit point. even if it's one shooter....just shoot out the windows, and there's your entry point.
so now we need ballistic windows. and round and round we go.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I'm guessing Fire Marshalls will have a negative view of locking doors in schools....
It is by far, the dumbest idea in a room full of dumb ideas.....
I already explained how that isn't a problem. Maybe you need to quit talking about dumb. There are literally millions of doors in this county that prevent entry but allow easy exit....you know, those doors with a bar that you push....like doors at a movie theater that you can't enter to sneak in to a movie but allow exit in case of fire....geesh
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Swish, my experience is that the doors are locked to prevent someone from the outside entrance into the building, but all the doors can be opened up from the inside.
they are and still are. but a lot of doors that are locked aren't hard to bust down. and some of these public schools have a secured door entrance with glass windows surrounding it. so....a shooter can just shoot out the windows. or shoot out the windows of a classroom on the first floor and gain easy entry through there. we have to remember that we are talking about kids and teachers inside. so panic and such with a single entry in and out will create a stampede of sorts where you end up having indirect casualties because of panic and fear.
also, these guys are increasingly doing shootings in pairs. or you get some troubled kid who also hates his school and fantasize about shooting them up, and get him to pull the fire alarm. and now everybody - like its been forever - exits out like a typical fire drill.
in order for any of this to work, you have to basically turn every school into a prison. which means you might as well have our children go to school in an actual prison to properly protect them from any OUTSIDE threats. the long term mental effects of doing that could potentially be worse than the feel good safety measures we implemented to protect them.
all the money to fortify our schools could be used for more counselors, mental health facilities, and other aspects that address our societal problems that naturally reduces the threat of a mass shooting inside schools. it doesn't matter how well we fortify the schools if we do nothing to try and prevent young people from committing/wanting to commit the shooting in the first place.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
all the money to fortify our schools could be used for more counselors, mental health facilities, and other aspects that address our societal problems that naturally reduces the threat of a mass shooting inside schools. it doesn't matter how well we fortify the schools if we do nothing to try and prevent young people from committing/wanting to commit the shooting in the first place.
Completely agree and I have been preaching that for over a decade.
Dems are making rounds this morning over some sort of compromise they got 10 GOPers to sign off on. It is mostly a mental health push and an under-21 'pause' on purchases for a more thorough background check, including checking with local police. If it goes through and becomes law, I suppose it's better than a poke in the eye or continuing to do absolutely nothing. The establishment of community mental health centers across America, mental health access in schools, and tele-access for remote areas will certainly help the mental health crisis we have, but I don't think it will end school mass shootings. It might decrease the overall number of mass shootings, but that relies on would-be shooters reaching out for help. They also said something about helping localities enforce red flag laws. And they are touting this as a bipartisan victory with just enough signed on to pass it. I guess they forgot Joe Manchin and Kristen Sinema again. One of those two might easily kill the deal unless more Republicans step up. Sinema will do whatever her corporate masters want, and Manchin likes being the deal-breaking VETO vote on everything that doesn't seem 100% old-school republican in nature. And if they get past them, they still need all ten GOPers to go against the party line and stick to their commitments. I hope they pass it but won't hold my breath.
That said, I don't think it's nearly enough to keep kids safe in schools. And I'm not for gun confiscation or even red flag laws TBH. But we do need to figure out systems to save these kids' lives asap. I saw Swish mention the never-ending struggle to stay ahead of shooters and how one thing would lead to another. But I don't agree with his premise that it's a bad idea to harden schools. I do agree you can't harden them to be fail-proof without turning them into highly guarded prisons. My thoughts are more complex on the issue. If we consider that 100% fail-proof hardening is too costly in both money and the stress going in and out of a prison-like complex would put on the mental health of young kids; not to mention it's not really viable because there will always be a weakness that can be exploited. So set that type of hardening aside.
The best chance to save as many kids as we can, IMO, is to harden parts of the schools in an affordable manner, combined with tech and non-lethal defensive measures should the school become an active target. Non-lethal because it would make sure the defensive measures don't accidentally kill our kids. There is existing tech that could be applied. There are ballistic films and polymer shielding that could be applied to windows and doors. There are keyless remote entry systems that could be coupled with face recognition technology to prevent simple walk-ins or at minimum slow down attackers. AI is also applicable to the problem. Well-trained AI could recognize probably threats and take measures to get ahead of them, like warning staff, locking down the school, calling the police, or security. And if it is running on a server in the school as well as being backed by more advanced cloud-based AI, it would have a certain amount of redundancy, making it harder for a would=be shooter to disable.
If we focus on delaying, fortification, and non-lethal defense combined with AI tech there are a number of possibilities the tech could provide or that could be innovated in a short amount of time. We've all seen drones with flame throwers on Youtube. It's not that far-fetched that both aerial drones and floor base models similar to Roombas could be weaponized with tranq darts, tasers, or bean bad cannons. They could be cheap enough to deploy in swarms that would overwhelm and distract one or two shooters in a counterattack, buying kids and staff time to flee or get into "safe rooms". The wealthy often have saferooms in their homes, yet you never see this mentioned for schools. They wouldn't be cheap, but they would damn sure save lives. Another low-tech solution would be to intentionally create bottlenecks that a defensive countermeasure could drive shooters into. You could have padded cable netting or grid wire suspended on slide poles above these areas, that would come down hard and pin shooters to the ground under them. And AI could be trained to handle all of this in a highly competent manner. I'm just scratching the surface of what could be possible if we switch our thinking to delay and defend without the need for good guys with guns to be the first line. The whole point is to save the kids, but getting a guy pinned to the ground, tranqed, tased, or otherwise trapped would also save cops and security guards. Maybe they could find their balls then.
All of this tech already exists in one form or another. We have military-grade guidance systems (mostly software) and remote-control drone tech that could manage the countermeasure with AI assistance, needing very little further development to apply it here. The bulletproofing tech and safe room tech all exist as well. Non-lethal trapping mechanisms would not be hard or expensive to innovate. So I honestly think if we could all lay down our politics and differences to come together for our kids long enough to resolve this problem, there are many logical and practical technologies that could be applied to delay and harden the schools in less intrusive ways than turning them into prisons or having fully staffed on-site forces at the ready. People in these fields and innovators smarter than us could find the right solutions in the right budgets for all schools to be much safer. Combined with the government's mental health response, we could make things much better. At a minimum, just having AI looking for threats inside and outside of schools would go a long way toward giving school staff and law enforcement time to respond, lockdown, or follow well-thought-out plans before the chaos begins. Those seconds or minutes would save lives.
I'm convinced this stuff could work and would love some non-partisan feedback and discussion about the idea without the negative BS.
If you bring everyone together to work on this, this development and innovation could happen very fast. These single companies can not do what we all could do together.
they are and still are. but a lot of doors that are locked aren't hard to bust down. and some of these public schools have a secured door entrance with glass windows surrounding it. so....a shooter can just shoot out the windows. or shoot out the windows of a classroom on the first floor and gain easy entry through there. we have to remember that we are talking about kids and teachers inside. so panic and such with a single entry in and out will create a stampede of sorts where you end up having indirect casualties because of panic and fear.
also, these guys are increasingly doing shootings in pairs. or you get some troubled kid who also hates his school and fantasize about shooting them up, and get him to pull the fire alarm. and now everybody - like its been forever - exits out like a typical fire drill.
in order for any of this to work, you have to basically turn every school into a prison. which means you might as well have our children go to school in an actual prison to properly protect them from any OUTSIDE threats. the long term mental effects of doing that could potentially be worse than the feel good safety measures we implemented to protect them.
all the money to fortify our schools could be used for more counselors, mental health facilities, and other aspects that address our societal problems that naturally reduces the threat of a mass shooting inside schools. it doesn't matter how well we fortify the schools if we do nothing to try and prevent young people from committing/wanting to commit the shooting in the first place.
One of the best ways to counter school shootings is to place obstacles in the path that disrupt the plans of the shooter. We are not talking about seasoned war vets, we are talking about angry children for the most part. They have a fantasy plan, but likely don't have much in the way of contingency. My partner's school shooting the kid met multiple, small, obstacles he had not accounted for and it royally destroyed his plan. Nothing went the way he envisioned it, he was incapable of changing plan on the fly, or being patient and choosing a day better suited to his plan.
In regards to pair, I'd like to see the data you used to make this claim. It does happen but from my research it seems rare that there are multiple shooters in a school situation. As far as pulling a fire drill I seem to remember one in KY that did that. Please show your work on this, and don't just make claims that have no basis.
We need to harden schools. This does not mean we need to make them a prison. Locked doors, with card readers for certain paths. Cameras for monitoring and alarms for doors that are left propped open. Having more than one SRO in a school, particularly larger schools can be helpful as well.
Keep in mind that when Obama's children were in school they were protected by men with guns, and I will be willing to bet other politician's children are as well, including those that think they need to disarm America so they can have safety. Other children deserve the same protection.
you talking about mass shootings in general or just specific to schools?
i understand that you want to treat every situation as a "lone wolf" shooter, but the planning rarely ever is. these kids are on message boards discussing ways to engage in a shooting and spreading hate speech amongst each other. and yea, specifically with schools it's rare, but you just admitted that i was right, then turned around and ask for proof? so does that mean i need to prove you wrong about me being right? i'm confused.
again, trying to downplay this as a fantasy is reckless at best. going out and buying body armor to protect one from return fire is not acting out a fantasy. that's an active plan to mitigate any counterstrikes. for me to believe your perspective is for me to completely ignore the fact that these losers like going into the middle of the woods or desert with their groups and training for specific situations. it's not a fantasy that they KNOW the moment they turn 18 they can go and buy damn near any firearm on the market. it's not a fantasy that these groups are becoming more embolden to commit mass shooting incidents instead of just dreaming about it on some message board.
and again, you provide an example for me to prove my point, then turn around and ask for proof. sorry but that's just strange. it's just funny how your research proves i'm right, but since SWISH said it, well, you now need evidence. you will acknowledge and admit that a drive by shooting typically requires 2+ to pull off, yet because i'm saying it, i guess you need proof of that too.
imma need you to be consistent bro. one thing you definitely haven't done in any of our discussions. if you require proof, you probably shouldn't provide your own proof for me. just a thought. hardening schools isn't gonna stop the shootings. and the obstacle comment is again inaccurate. you can not place obstacles everywhere, because again; all they have to do is shoot out the windows and go in from there. everything you're advocating for is unrealistic. it's feel good nonsense, nothing more.
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anyways, back to the general post.
here's a breakdown by gender, followed by race when it comes to race:
this blows a hole in the narrative that this "didn't happen back in my day". it did, while it was way less, the older crowd wasn't aware of it due to limited media sources. it's very intriguing how this crap completely shot through the roof when trump was president. those numbers don't scream that he made america great again. but conservates have been known to care more about those stock market gains than the safety of children.
and with the increase in this "great replacement nonsense, this was also interesting::
so even by 2060, white people will still be the majority demographic. that number jumps when you include white-hispanics, which means the idea that white people are being replaced by anyone is one of the dumbest lies ever told.
white americans on average make more than most races except asian, so i'm really trying to understand why white men in this country are so angry, and yet can never get a clear answer on this board. they control government at all levels, make the most money besides asians, control law enforcement, and hold the most wealth. so why do they commit the majority of mass shootings?
are you guys just bored or something?
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Not sure where the confusion comes from, you said "also, these guys are increasingly doing shootings in pairs." I do not see that as a trend. Can you provide data that says that? It does happen but it seems to be the rare exception rather than a rule and it certainly doesn't look like the trend towards that is upwards.
that was a slip up on my part. i apologize for that. pairs was definitely the wrong wording. i meant overall, these aren't lone wolf situations when they work in groups in message boards to plan attacks.
please don't tell me that's the only thing you wanted to highlight out of the entire post.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
That was not part of your original assertation. When one starts to put bounds on the data like that one can make the data say what one wants. Your source is behind a paywall, but I am hesitant to use the NYT as a source in the first place. They have a large anti-gun bias, and I would need to see their methods of data collection. I don't trust them to not spin this to show what they want you to see.
If you can show it isn't true, please do so. As of now all you're doing is saying "It's The New York Times so nuh uh."
When one refuses to look at the trends taking place in these mass shootings you're resting on how things were, not how things are. I thought the idea was to deal with the problems at hand.
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i'm really trying to understand why white men in this country are so angry, and yet can never get a clear answer on this board.
I'm not angry, bro. Never have been. In fact, when I was in high school and my 20s, I was happy and just trying to get more "strange." That made me very happy.
that was a slip up on my part. i apologize for that. pairs was definitely the wrong wording. i meant overall, these aren't lone wolf situations when they work in groups in message boards to plan attacks.
please don't tell me that's the only thing you wanted to highlight out of the entire post.
Roger the slipup.
While I do think there is a lot of mass radicalization online, I am not inclined to say it is the cause of incidents, it certainly doesn't help. A person thinking of doing these acts likely doesn't need encouragement or much to continue down the path. There are other factors that correlate as well, but again it would be difficult to prove a causation, things like early childhood abuse, broken homes etc.
My definition of a lone wolf situation would be those that act alone. Kids talk about all sorts of stupid stuff, and egg each other on to do things, plan things etc. There has to be a inflexion point that has to be crossed to go from talking about it to doing something, and I am not sure that point is usually reached in a group. It would be a good area of honest study, I am not a sociology researcher though, so I am not the one to dive in.
My partner's school shooting the kid claimed to be bullied and made fun of, that was one of his rationalizations for what he did, but his peers told a different story. He was the quiet bully, always looking for people he could push but it wasn't for the show. I don't know what his online habits were nor do I remember them bringing up such during the trial.
I thought I addressed other things during the previous post. Is there something that you thought I should address I didn't?
i'm really trying to understand why white men in this country are so angry, and yet can never get a clear answer on this board.
I'm not angry, bro. Never have been. In fact, when I was in high school and my 20s, I was happy and just trying to get more "strange." That made me very happy.
talking about today. we got dudes who are self-described incels, and start shooting up places because they can't get a date.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
the hardening of schools i gave a response to. specifically barriers.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
the hardening of schools i gave a response to. specifically barriers.
Barriers won't stop everything, nothing will Placing barriers is designed to slow down a shooter with hopes you can get your response, whatever that may look like, in place.
Obviously having a wide open entry and no doors on classrooms isn't going to be beneficial. Part of school response here now is to close and lock the door to the classroom, ie add a barrier.
If you can make a shooter use the time they have trying to get to people instead of having free access this is a good step. Of course when you have a response like you did in some of these schools it really doesn't matter, when the police sit for 20 minute or more outside things are going to be bad unless you have built in response inside.
i'm really trying to understand why white men in this country are so angry, and yet can never get a clear answer on this board.
I'm not angry, bro. Never have been. In fact, when I was in high school and my 20s, I was happy and just trying to get more "strange." That made me very happy.
talking about today. we got dudes who are self-described incels, and start shooting up places because they can't get a date.
So now we a solution, legalized prostitution.
Am I perfect? No Am I trying to be a better person? Also no
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