I have said this before, but as a former teacher who worked w/many other teachers..........I think arming teachers is a bad idea. I can handle a gun, but not many teachers I knew were gun people. Many were also lazy and irresponsible when it comes to safety and protocol. I think it might be dangerous to allow teachers to have guns in their classroom.
What happens if a few teachers over the course of time do not properly secure the guns and an upset child gets his/her hands on said gun? That's a nightmare that I am not sure I even want to play out in my head.
I have said this before, but as a former teacher who worked w/many other teachers..........I think arming teachers is a bad idea. I can handle a gun, but not many teachers I knew were gun people. Many were also lazy and irresponsible when it comes to safety and protocol. I think it might be dangerous to allow teachers to have guns in their classroom.
What happens if a few teachers over the course of time do not properly secure the guns and an upset child gets his/her hands on said gun? That's a nightmare that I am not sure I even want to play out in my head.
The bill doesn't allow any teacher to carry at any time because they wish to. The bill reduced the training hours from 700 but it is still at the discretion of the district. A teacher can volunteer but that doesn't mean they will be allowed to carry.
I get all that, Frank. It's just that I have worked w/other teachers. I have explained how many would prop open doors just because they didn't want to take the long way to Related Arts through the hall ways. I've experienced how they didn't monitor students who were on computers doing improper things. Most teachers are great. Some are lazy and irresponsible, just like every other profession. I don't like this idea.
I have said this before, but as a former teacher who worked w/many other teachers..........I think arming teachers is a bad idea. I can handle a gun, but not many teachers I knew were gun people. Many were also lazy and irresponsible when it comes to safety and protocol. I think it might be dangerous to allow teachers to have guns in their classroom.
What happens if a few teachers over the course of time do not properly secure the guns and an upset child gets his/her hands on said gun? That's a nightmare that I am not sure I even want to play out in my head.
The bill doesn't allow any teacher to carry at any time because they wish to. The bill reduced the training hours from 700 but it is still at the discretion of the district. A teacher can volunteer but that doesn't mean they will be allowed to carry.
Correct. Each local school board will decide for their district if they'd even allow it And common sense would say the school board could/would decide which teacher/custodian, etc would be allowed to have a gun.
2 school districts near here have already - a couple of years ago - allowed 1 person, or more, per building to carry. The districts never mentioned how many employees, names, etc.
Wife and I were talking about this while eating. She wondered what my thoughts were. I simply said "I don't know. But, it wouldn't be mandatory. No employee would be forced to do it. Also, any employee that would probably has a lot of experience with guns. It wouldn't be (and I listed some names of teachers), it would be someone like me, that has handled firearms for decades."
I feel just the option of - rather the thought process - is good. Bad people won't know if they're walking in to somewhere where a school employee is armed, or which employee/s are.
Our district has 3 different buildings. 1 SRO for the three, meaning he splits his time between the 3 buildings.
And, get this: while most doors are open for entry PRIOR to the start of school, ALL doors are locked as soon as the first bell rings. You want in? Go to the front door, ring a bell, get your picture taken, get buzzed in, then wait for someone to open the next door. (and yes, if a student was in cahoots with someone, they could go open a back door, or whatever).
Turning teachers into guards is the stupidest thing I think they could have come up with. Ask Swish or law enforcement what they think of inexperienced barely trained people being in a firefight. Friendly fire casualties could mount quickly or they could just get themselves killed. And I think those two scenarios are way more likely than teacher with a gun saves the day.
Fatal mall shooting defendant says he was hit by a purse
DUBLIN, Ohio (AP) — A man charged with murder in a shooting death at an Ohio mall over the weekend told authorities that he fired after he was hit in the head with a purse.
Columbus police were called to the Mall at Tuttle Crossing at about 2:30 p.m. Sunday and found a man inside a shoe store who had been shot. Authorities said 25-year-old Dontarious Sylvester was pronounced dead just after 3 p.m. Sunday.
Among the calls to 911 dispatchers seconds after multiple shots were fired inside the mall was a call from a person who identified himself as the gunman. The man, later identified as 24-year-old Tyrone Gray Jr., of Mansfield, said “a man assaulted me with his purse and I shot. I shot him.”
During the nearly 8 1/2-minute call to emergency dispatchers, he elaborated that the other man “just threw a purse at me, hit me in my face. He smacked me with a purse.”
Gray was taken into custody without incident and was charged with murder. Franklin County municipal court records indicate that he posted 10 percent of $50,000 bond Monday morning and was released from the county jail.
Without the guns, those idiots would have to use their purses. Smh. I'm not anti-gun, I'm anti-idiot-with-a-gun too. Now we just need an idiot-proof test.
Without the guns, those idiots would have to use their purses. Smh. I'm not anti-gun, I'm anti-idiot-with-a-gun too. Now we just need an idiot-proof test.
Passing laws that would eliminate all guns would work. What a great idea.
Because of the purse, he shot the guy for hitting him with a purse. Who does that? An idiot that shouldn't have a gun. I don't care if the purse had a brick in it, you still don't kill a man in the mall for that. And it damn sure didn't sound like his life was under threat. He'll try to use the stand your ground law to justify murder because he got hit with a purse. You don't see a problem with that? That stand your ground law is my target, not the guns. How many times do I have to say I believe and back gun rights, I'm just not the NO COMPROMISE guy.
Don't forget the scenario where an unresisted shooter has a.most 30 minutes to kill as man6 as possible. At least there wouldn't be "friendly fire casualties."
Don't forget the scenario where an unresisted shooter has a.most 30 minutes to kill as man6 as possible. At least there wouldn't be "friendly fire casualties."
Arming teachers is a horrible idea, period. I'm sorry you can't wrap around that FrankZ.
You sound like Pit. Where in the world did I defend the shooter? I didn't even say a word about him. Dude should go to prison for murder if those details in the story are correct. I was just responding to "Without the guns" comment. There is no way that we will ever live in a world where guns are eliminated.
Never said you did, asked how you felt about a man getting shot for hitting another man with a purse. You took it there just now. Why do you always seem think I'm attacking you?
I'm sorry you. Can't wrap your head around last chance emergency.
This isn't a target practice in the hallways sort of thing. This is fighting for your life sort of thing. It may not work but it gives people a chance.
Everyone says the want a fix, but they only really want bans and more restrictions that haven't worked.
I'm sorry you. Can't wrap your head around last chance emergency.
This isn't a target practice in the hallways sort of thing. This is fighting for your life sort of thing. It may not work but it gives people a chance.
Everyone says the want a fix, but they only really want bans and more restrictions that haven't worked.
Actually a fix would be having people that are actually experienced in real world situations involving life and death active shooter situations. Like retired military and police be resource officers. Sure, you can learn to handle a gun, fire a gun and safely handle a gun. Anyone even allowed to carry a gun should be required to do that. But to claim you know how to handle an active shooter situation with no real world experience to base that on is a reach of epic proportions.
And Damn, nobody said "one way in one way out". People have explained this to you multiple times. Many doors are designed where they are locked to prevent people from entering but they do not lock from the inside to prevent people from getting out of them in an emergency.
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I'm sorry you. Can't wrap your head around last chance emergency.
This isn't a target practice in the hallways sort of thing. This is fighting for your life sort of thing. It may not work but it gives people a chance.
Everyone says the want a fix, but they only really want bans and more restrictions that haven't worked.
Well I know you are sorry, that's a given. And lil' FrkZ, you definitely don't get to judge what I can and cannot wrap my head around. If you want to attempt to school me, you better get a big ass lunchbox and the other half of a brain. You're just another Trump-loving GOPer, and YOU will never teach me a damn thing. Kick rocks.
I'm sorry you. Can't wrap your head around last chance emergency.
This isn't a target practice in the hallways sort of thing. This is fighting for your life sort of thing. It may not work but it gives people a chance.
Everyone says the want a fix, but they only really want bans and more restrictions that haven't worked.
Well I know you are sorry, that's a given. And lil' FrkZ, you definitely don't get to judge what I can and cannot wrap my head around. If you want to attempt to school me, you better get a big ass lunchbox and the other half of a brain. You're just another Trump-loving GOPer, and YOU will never teach me a damn thing. Kick rocks.
Dude, you popped off at me:
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I'm sorry you can't wrap around that FrankZ.
But hey you have your own narrative, no matter if it is wrong. I am not a GOPer. I am capable of thinking outside what a political party tells me.
Again, you say you want to fix the issue but what you really want to do is suppress the rights of honest Americans so you can feelz yer safez.
I don't even need a small snack for you, go back to yelling about fascists' everywhere and when you can actually come up with a real solution to the problem and not just ban! ban! ban! let us know.
I'm sorry you. Can't wrap your head around last chance emergency.
This isn't a target practice in the hallways sort of thing. This is fighting for your life sort of thing. It may not work but it gives people a chance.
Everyone says the want a fix, but they only really want bans and more restrictions that haven't worked.
Actually a fix would be having people that are actually experienced in real world situations involving life and death active shooter situations. Like retired military and police be resource officers. Sure, you can learn to handle a gun, fire a gun and safely handle a gun. Anyone even allowed to carry a gun should be required to do that. But to claim you know how to handle an active shooter situation with no real world experience to base that on is a reach of epic proportions.
Translated:
It is better to be a target than have a tool that allows you to fight. Rock on man.
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
And Damn, nobody said "one way in one way out". People have explained this to you multiple times. Many doors are designed where they are locked to prevent people from entering but they do not lock from the inside to prevent people from getting out of them in an emergency.
Did you get confused or are you trying to put words in my mouth again? I understand how doors work, especially doors in schools.
Originally Posted by PitDAWG And Damn, nobody said "one way in one way out". People have explained this to you multiple times. Many doors are designed where they are locked to prevent people from entering but they do not lock from the inside to prevent people from getting out of them in an emergency.
Did you get confused or are you trying to put words in my mouth again? I understand how doors work, especially doors in schools.
I think he meant to say Daman, not Damn. Daman is the guy who brought up one way in and one way out. That is why I asked what he was talking about. And Daman told me to try and keep up. LMAO.
Originally Posted by PitDAWG And Damn, nobody said "one way in one way out". People have explained this to you multiple times. Many doors are designed where they are locked to prevent people from entering but they do not lock from the inside to prevent people from getting out of them in an emergency.
Did you get confused or are you trying to put words in my mouth again? I understand how doors work, especially doors in schools.
I think he meant to say Daman, not Damn. Daman is the guy who brought up one way in and one way out. That is why I asked what he was talking about. And Daman told me to try and keep up. LMAO.
Mayhaps, but I am not a mind reader. I do my best to decipher but at times...
all the money to fortify our schools could be used for more counselors, mental health facilities, and other aspects that address our societal problems that naturally reduces the threat of a mass shooting inside schools. it doesn't matter how well we fortify the schools if we do nothing to try and prevent young people from committing/wanting to commit the shooting in the first place.
I agree. The problem is mental health treatment isn't something that happens overnight. You have an entire generation of goofed up people. Any measures we take would be of more benefit to the next generation.
To a comment on the school doors. No doubt some would need to be replaced or modified to make them more secure to prevent breaking the glass and reaching through to activate the emergency bar.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
I have said this before, but as a former teacher who worked w/many other teachers..........I think arming teachers is a bad idea. I can handle a gun, but not many teachers I knew were gun people. Many were also lazy and irresponsible when it comes to safety and protocol. I think it might be dangerous to allow teachers to have guns in their classroom.
What happens if a few teachers over the course of time do not properly secure the guns and an upset child gets his/her hands on said gun? That's a nightmare that I am not sure I even want to play out in my head.
No doubt "what if's" that would need to be addressed. In no case would I ever expect all teachers to be armed. I would be 100% in favor of those teachers being well trained and compensated for that extra duty.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
I'm sorry you. Can't wrap your head around last chance emergency.
This isn't a target practice in the hallways sort of thing. This is fighting for your life sort of thing. It may not work but it gives people a chance.
Everyone says the want a fix, but they only really want bans and more restrictions that haven't worked.
Well I know you are sorry, that's a given. And lil' FrkZ, you definitely don't get to judge what I can and cannot wrap my head around. If you want to attempt to school me, you better get a big ass lunchbox and the other half of a brain. You're just another Trump-loving GOPer, and YOU will never teach me a damn thing. Kick rocks.
Dude, you popped off at me:
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I'm sorry you can't wrap around that FrankZ.
But hey you have your own narrative, no matter if it is wrong. I am not a GOPer. I am capable of thinking outside what a political party tells me.
Again, you say you want to fix the issue but what you really want to do is suppress the rights of honest Americans so you can feelz yer safez.
I don't even need a small snack for you, go back to yelling about fascists' everywhere and when you can actually come up with a real solution to the problem and not just ban! ban! ban! let us know.
I don't need a big metal phallus to feel safe, anywhere. But I do need kids in school to be safe. Can you say the same?
A snack? lmao. And, it's not really a trope, and not really about penis size where I come from... it's intestinal fortitude. Certainly, you know about that.
As someone who is a victim of home invasion and assault, I'm happy to have large phallic weapons in my house.
Eve i don't blame you. if i had the authority to give you a permit to have a .50 cal mounted in your house, i would.
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Nobody is blaming you, Eve. That's exactly what they are for, personal protection. But I'm betting you wouldn't shoot some woman in a mall, in the middle of the day, for hitting you with a purse. That dude's gun was a phallus.
I live in a city that leads the country in murder rate, and most of them are done with a gun. I'd rather have the tool and not need it than the other way around.
You thinking your are the tough guy on the block doesn't really do anything for me.
You know what FankZ, you have the right to protect yourself, and I agree a gun can do that. But you accused me of using a small penis trope to shame you, and it had nothing to do with your small penis, everything to do with having the guts NOT to go for the gun over something as trivial as getting hit with a purse. But you make whatever you want out of it. And I don't know what the hell your penis is or isn't, you brought that up, and that's your issue. IMO half of these guys going out buying ARs are gutless wonders who need to feel empowered. Can't help it, I'll never get that.
This isn't a target practice in the hallways sort of thing. This is fighting for your life sort of thing. It may not work but it gives people a chance.
Everyone says the want a fix, but they only really want bans and more restrictions that haven't worked.
I'm not sure who these "people" are. All I want is people walking around carrying guns in the public be required to know what they'rte doing with them.
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Actually a fix would be having people that are actually experienced in real world situations involving life and death active shooter situations. Like retired military and police be resource officers. Sure, you can learn to handle a gun, fire a gun and safely handle a gun. Anyone even allowed to carry a gun should be required to do that. But to claim you know how to handle an active shooter situation with no real world experience to base that on is a reach of epic proportions.
Translated:
It is better to be a target than have a tool that allows you to fight. Rock on man.
Which is nothing like anything I stated. I am actually in favor of having resource officers in schools for protection. You know, once again people that have experience in those situations. Not people saying, "I think I can".
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
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And Damn, nobody said "one way in one way out". People have explained this to you multiple times. Many doors are designed where they are locked to prevent people from entering but they do not lock from the inside to prevent people from getting out of them in an emergency.
Did you get confused or are you trying to put words in my mouth again? I understand how doors work, especially doors in schools.
Yes, it was intended for Damon, not you. Sorry for the confusion.
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