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Kansas beats Mizz...OHIO STATE goes to #3...and loses to Oklahoma...OHIO STATE goes to #2...
There's our National Championship Game folks...
West Virginia vs Ohio State
That is interesting....and could very well occur.
The funny thing is I bet a guy at work over a month ago (Big WVU fan; huge Buckeye hater) a hundred Bucks if we faced each other in a bowl game, and I already gave him 14 points.  
If it does come down to WVU and OSU, I really think the Bucks are gonna have their hands full. WVU plays just the type of fast, spread offense that seems to give Tressel fits. That 14 point lead could be a bit much to overcome.
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It was one of those "this could never happen talkin' smack" kind of things.
Oh well.....it will make it interesting. And you know the BCS folks don't want lil ol WVU in the big dance....that would be great to have it happen for that reason too!
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Noticed that no one mentioned the fact that a possible Arizona State loss would help the Buckeyes,...
Thank You USC,....
I didn't mention it when I posted because the game had been played and the results were known....I was looking at the upcoming games that could effect the Bucks and the wacky BCS standings. 
I didn't even realize the LSU game was a Friday match-up. Was shopping and hanging Christmas lights and then watching regular TV when I got a text from my bro that said "Go Razorbacks!" and I said to myself "Hmmmmm"
Same here. I was at Sears and my phone blew up with texts "OMG LSU LOST!!!" 
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I don't care who UM gets.... I think I'd feel pretty bad for LSU if Miles leaves (kind of like Saban leaving so fast). But it wouldn't surprise me at all if he left and went to UM... He's a good coach and would be good for UM... it'd be a pleasure beating him  But I think he could bring some fire back to UM.
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They interviewed him the other day, and he said he loved LSU and could not possibly leave that team....he was almost in tears when he was saying this. Just like Nick Saban.  Also saw Jon Gruden turn the job down, even though it hadn't been offered yet.
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yep.... I think I'd rather have a coach say "i'll give it a look but we'll see" rather than say 'I'm never going ot leave' and then leave.
That's one of the reasons I like The Ol Ball Coach.... Spurrier is pretty upfront that he loves South Carolina... but he's always open about being willing to look at other schools.
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I don't care who UM gets.... I think I'd feel pretty bad for LSU if Miles leaves (kind of like Saban leaving so fast). But it wouldn't surprise me at all if he left and went to UM...
He's a good coach and would be good for UM... it'd be a pleasure beating him But I think he could bring some fire back to UM.
While I do feel for their fans, they had to see this one coming eventually. Everyone on the campus knew that Michigan is THE job Miles wants. Regardless of the success he had at LSU, if the Michigan job came open, he was probably taking it. LSU knew it when they hired him. Why else would there be a buyout?
In all honesty, I'm not sure what would be more shocking at this point. Michigan NOT offering the job to him or Miles actually turning it down. I thought they might look outside the UM family but given all the rumors that have surfaced, I don't see how Miles isn't the guy at this point.
Here's a quote from Miles from 11/18/07:
"Coach Carr's a great coach, and he should stay as long as he's able, and I'll root for that team, not only this Saturday, but every Saturday that I'm alive," Miles told ESPN's Mike Tirico last week.
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Oh I agree with you... what makes me more upset though is how (like shep said) he came out and said that he wasnt' going anywhere... when I feel he'll bolt as soon as he wins the SEC title and the regular season is done....
here's another question for you Nas... Will Hart make it to NY for the heisman show?
I figure for sure McFadden, White, and Tebow will be there... the last two spots are iffy IMO. Could be the QB from Oregon (his name escapes me this early) but with him getting hurt and being unable to finish I dunno if he'd be invited. Brennan from Hawaii could be invited but no one watches Hawaii so he could get screwed. You have to figure that if Kansas wins out that their QB will get invited. He's had a very solid year and their team would be #1 in the nation.
I thought that Hart was putting up good enough numbers to be invited to NY before getting hurt. Wasn't sure if he'd still get invited there after getting hurt and having a poor game against OSU. Just wanted your opinion.
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A source close to Nebraska coach Bill Callahan on Saturday morning confirmed that Callahan was fired at a meeting with interim athletic director Tom Osborne. A news conference will be held in Lincoln at 10:30 ET. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3125379For those Big 12 fans that makes two pretty big football programs are now looking for a coach with Franchone (sp?) leaving A&M after whipping Texas.
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Hart was already on the fringe given he missed so many games this season. With his performance against OSU, I think it probably put him out of the top 5. Not only that but he looked like a fool talking trash when he was losing 1-2 yards at a time.  I'm sure that wasn't lost on the committee. As for what Miles said, here's the press conference link if you want to take a look: http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1137942457/bclid1119242954/bctid1317872524I don't think anything he said puts him in the class of Saban.
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looking at it from the perspective of a casual OSU fan (only watch them when I'm not doing anything else, the Browns are my first love) having a better coach who hates OSU a lot up there will make the rivalry game that much more intense. UM has a good program up there, just had some bad luck this year.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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Speaking of Hawaii...anyone else watch that game last night? Fun game to watch, as two high powered offenses just duked it out. To my surprise, Hawaii's defense also looked quick, and put some big hits on Boise State's QB and Ian Johnson, the RB.
As Boise St, showed last year, Hawaii deserves a shot at a BCS bowl game.
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Thanks for the reply... I was thinking the same thing with Hart.... I thought he has had a great year/career at UM. Got tired of his trash talk, but wasn't sure if he would make it to NY or not.
In terms of Miles... I agree that he didn't flat out deny that he was leaving like Nick.... but still think he should hav ejust not addressed it... but whatever. I feel somewhat bad for him in that there will be some people who will now blame losing to Arkansas on the 'Michigian talk"... which is unfair to the Razorbacks who played an outstanding game! LSU's defense just could not handle McFadden... their offense almost pulled it off for them again, but their defense just could not help them out last night.
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Well, OU has to get there first. Unless they beat OSU in their rivalry game, they won't be playing in the Big 12 championship. Oklahoma State would go via head-to-head tie breaker.
Not so fast ' nas,...I had the same question -- and asked about it in the other thread (no responses) -- so I did my own runout on the Big 12 tiebreakers last week but couldn't get past step 5, where they talk about "all common opponents." None of the 3 teams, Okie, State or Texas played the same teams from the other division. So I went to step 6 -- the highest ranked team after the first release of BCS following the regular season. I assume this will now be Oklahoma, win, lose or draw, with Texas tanking it against A&M.
If you have some info otherwise, I would really like to hear it. These kinds of things "bug" me. (I probably ran through the tiebreak procedure incorrectly.)
I know it doesn't really matter; the "other guy" is gonna be at least a two loss Big 12 team.
The West Virginia loss is what has to happen now, and I agree with you, USC looks good enough now to do some poll-jumping, depending on their UCLA game.
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Well, OU has to get there first. Unless they beat OSU in their rivalry game, they won't be playing in the Big 12 championship. Oklahoma State would go via head-to-head tie breaker.
Not so fast ' nas,...I had the same question -- and asked about it in the other thread (no responses) -- so I did my own runout on the Big 12 tiebreakers last week but couldn't get past step 5, where they talk about "all common opponents." None of the 3 teams, Okie, State or Texas played the same teams from the other division. So I went to step 6 -- the highest ranked team after the first release of BCS following the regular season. I assume this will now be Oklahoma, win, lose or draw, with Texas tanking it against A&M.
If this is the case, the Big 12 commissioner should be shot.
Can you even imagine beating a team, finishing with the same record and watching them go to the Big 12 championship because they have a higher BCS ranking? 
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In terms of Miles... I agree that he didn't flat out deny that he was leaving like Nick.... but still think he should hav ejust not addressed it... but whatever.
It's kind of one of those situations where regardless of how he addresses it, they're going to make a story out of it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be in that situation. Nothing he says at this point can please everyone. If he denies he wants the job at all, it could offend UM and if he says he does want it LSU is going to throw a **** fit. I think he handled it about as well as he could have.
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I feel somewhat bad for him in that there will be some people who will now blame losing to Arkansas on the 'Michigian talk"... which is unfair to the Razorbacks who played an outstanding game! LSU's defense just could not handle McFadden... their offense almost pulled it off for them again, but their defense just could not help them out last night.
Yeah, I'm sure the loss is going to be pinned on UM's coaching search. Too bad because McFadden is just a one man band. I've never seen a single college football player garner as much attention as he does and STILL produce.
It's amazing to me how one player can seemingly be responsible for producing points every time he touches the ball (wether it's running, throwing or faking). He's averaging 5.7 YPC in the SEC with a QB who only has 1,500 yards passing on the entire season. Casey Dick only has ONE 200 yard passing game the ENTIRE season. It's honestly mind boggling. If his body holds up, I don't see how he's NOT going to light the NFL on fire.
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From today's Plain Dealer: Title hopes for Ohio State get even rosier Saturday, November 24, 2007 Doug Lesmerises Plain Dealer Reporter Hold those roses. Ohio State is one upset away from reaching college football's national title game in New Orleans after No. 1 LSU was stunned by Arkansas, 50-48, in triple overtime Friday. Currently No. 5 in the BCS standings, the Buckeyes will be no worse than No. 3 when the new ratings come out Sunday. The Buckeyes fell from No. 1 to No. 7 in the BCS standings after suffering their first loss to Illinois on Nov. 10. Since then, three teams ranked ahead of them, LSU, Oregon and Oklahoma, have lost, and another will fall tonight when No. 2 Kansas and No. 4 Missouri meet. Another team that could have passed them, No. 6 Arizona State, lost to Southern Cal on Thursday. Tuesday, OSU coach Jim Tressel said he and his staff had outlined two bowl prep plans, one for the Jan. 1 Rose Bowl, where the Buckeyes would meet USC or Oregon, and another for the BCS national championship in New Orleans on Jan. 7. If No. 3 West Virginia loses to Connecticut today or to Pitt next week, or if today's Kansas-Missouri winner loses in the Big 12 title game next week, that second plan will take effect. Kansas (11-0), West Virginia (9-1), Missouri (10-1) and Ohio State (11-1) are the only major conference teams with fewer than two losses. There's an outside shot the Buckeyes could head to New Orleans by passing West Virginia in the polls even if the Mountaineers don't lose. So those roses the OSU players had in their mouths after beating Michigan last week? Might be time to spit them out. To reach this Plain Dealer reporter: dlesmerises@plaind.com, 216-999-4479 **************** This sentence from the article interested me: "There's an outside shot the Buckeyes could head to New Orleans by passing West Virginia in the polls even if the Mountaineers don't lose."I don't see how an idle team jumps over a team that wins 2 games, however unimpressively ...
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I think the key word is " unimpressively " ---- we have no idea how these pollsters will react after 2 close, or very sloppy, West Virginia wins.
We do know how they will react if the 'Neers tank one though,...
It's totally amazing that out of the 6 things that HAD to happen for the Buckeyes to get into the show, 5 have been done,...yet the outcome is still in doubt.
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Exciting for sure!! BTW anyone watching ESPN College Gameday? They are in Kansas and right smack dab in the middle of the background someone is flying an Ohio Flag and a Ohio State Flag right below it
Our honor defend, we will fight to the end, for OHIO! GO BUCKS!
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Well, OU has to get there first. Unless they beat OSU in their rivalry game, they won't be playing in the Big 12 championship. Oklahoma State would go via head-to-head tie breaker.
Not so fast ' nas,...I had the same question -- and asked about it in the other thread (no responses) -- so I did my own runout on the Big 12 tiebreakers last week but couldn't get past step 5, where they talk about "all common opponents." None of the 3 teams, Okie, State or Texas played the same teams from the other division. So I went to step 6 -- the highest ranked team after the first release of BCS following the regular season. I assume this will now be Oklahoma, win, lose or draw, with Texas tanking it against A&M.
If this is the case, the Big 12 commissioner should be shot.
Can you even imagine beating a team, finishing with the same record and watching them go to the Big 12 championship because they have a higher BCS ranking?
Thanks for the info, I had just looked at the standings and assumed the Big 12 would decide their division champions in a logical manner.
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First, it means I did my homework correctly,....  and second, you're right, the commissioner should be shot.
You wouldn't believe the breakout I had to do just to get to Step 5,....
Let alone your point that Oklahoma State would have to sit by and watch the team they just beat go the title game, look at what would happen if THREE -LOSS Oklahoma blows out the K-Mizz winner,....!!! THEY get in the BCS automatically with 3 losses,.....
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Funny thing is last month I read an article with the bowl predictions and it had OSU vs. WVU in the championship. Everyone thought it was impossible. All we need is one game for that to happen now. 
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So do we want mizzu to beat kans. or the other way around?
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Apologize for chiming in,....in my opinion, the slim, but possible, chance that a 2 loss Oklahoma team could jump a one-loss idle Ohio State, would be improved with a Sooner victory over an undefeated Kansas, vs. the scenario of the Sooners and Missouri both ending up with 2 losses,....just a thought.
The Buckeyes need the 'Neers to lose. This will eliminate all doubt. It could also put Ohio State in the title game against the Sooners, OR, the 2-loss Trojans.
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Apologize for chiming in,....in my opinion, the slim, but possible, chance that a 2 loss Oklahoma team could jump a one-loss idle Ohio State, would be improved with a Sooner victory over an undefeated Kansas, vs. the scenario of the Sooners and Missouri both ending up with 2 losses,....just a thought.
The Buckeyes need the 'Neers to lose. This will eliminate all doubt. It could also put Ohio State in the title game against the Sooners, OR, the 2-loss Trojans.
I'll say again I don't see OU jumping OSU with two losses... just won't happen IMO.
In terms of Kansas vs Mizzu... I could care less who wins... one team will fall behind us... which means we need one more to lse.
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So let me get this straight.
We want Kansas to beat Missouri and we move up to #3? Then we want Oklahoma to beat Kansas and we move up to #2 and play WV in the National Title?
I think you are right. There isn't anyway possible that Oklahoma jumps us.
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And Appalachian State never beats a Top 5 Michigan,...anything is possible my friend. Oklahoma with 2 losses, handing a shutout beating to previously unbeaten and top-ranked Kansas, is a poll darling, but the Sooners would also need West Virginia to lose.
And,..who says Ohio State can't/won't jump West Virginia,...??
That's exactly why the 'Neer loss is so important,....don't matter much who wins the Kansas game, but,.....
It would be nice to play Kansas in the National Championship game. Luckily -- and I say this because Pitt is NOT going to beat West Virginia next weekend -- we'll know more about who to lean toward in the K-Mizz game as the WVa-UConn game should be over by then.
GO HUSKIES,....
Here's another "goodie" for you -- suppose Mizz and Ohio State are the only 2 winnng one-loss teams left after today,...?? Does Ohio State maybe pass Mizz in the polls ?? And just what guarantee is there that the Buckeyes pass Kansas in the wake of, say, a 28-27 loss to Missouri ??
Plus, what the hell do we do with Hawaii ?? The only undefeated team in the country,....
In the meantime, I have to go furniture shopping with the Old Lady since there are no important games on NOW,.....
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Apologize for chiming in,....in my opinion, the slim, but possible, chance that a 2 loss Oklahoma team could jump a one-loss idle Ohio State, would be improved with a Sooner victory over an undefeated Kansas, vs. the scenario of the Sooners and Missouri both ending up with 2 losses,....just a thought.
The Buckeyes need the 'Neers to lose. This will eliminate all doubt. It could also put Ohio State in the title game against the Sooners, OR, the 2-loss Trojans.
I'll say again I don't see OU jumping OSU with two losses... just won't happen IMO.
I don't see it either.
Oklahoma came in to the week at #10. I don't see how a team could possibly make that large of a jump this late in the year. Unless there is some monumental collapse by every team in the mix, the national championship game is featuring some combination of WVU, The Big 12 Champion and OSU.
If WVU and the winner of the Missou vs. Kansas game go down, I would guess it will probably be LSU vs. OSU if the Tigers can rebound and win the SEC championship game. Given that just about every other team has 2 losses, I can't see them (LSU) falling much further then #5 or #6.
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Doesn't matter who wins the game tonight IMO... the winner tonight will have to lose to OU if we want to move up. Even if it's Kansas I think if they lose to OU in the title game they will fall behind us. But to be safe I'm cheering for Mizzu.
OU is I think 10th or something in the country right now. With two losses I doubt they jump us. Could be possible... don't see it happening.... they have Georgia and Virginia tech both with two losses ahead of them.
WVU just needs to win out and their in. I'm guessing they'll do that. UConn is the best chance for a loss and I don't see that happening.... we'll see.... I'd love for UConn to win today and I could just be happy and know that we were goign to the championship game.
But basically we need either WVU to lose or OU to win the Big 12... either scenario would get us in the NC game.
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Personally I pray that we dont have to play West Virgina. Id rather play LSU, USC (when healthy) They run the same offense Illinois ran. Difference is WV has a much better QB and QB although there defense is worse.
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So let me get this straight.
We want Kansas to beat Missouri and we move up to #3? Then we want Oklahoma to beat Kansas and we move up to #2 and play WV in the National Title?
I think you are right. There isn't anyway possible that Oklahoma jumps us.
But there is a chance the Bucks can play the Sooners in the title game, if the 'Neers lose. So, if all these other goons have 2 losses, why not Hawaii ??
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Unless OU blows them out and west virgina loses I thought we would play Georgia or possible LSU depending on SEC championship game.
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I understand your reasoning for Hawaii but that team won't even sniff a title game from what i've heard. Mind you i'm just going off of what I have heard but the main reason is because the play absolutely nobody.
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So let me get this straight.
We want Kansas to beat Missouri and we move up to #3? Then we want Oklahoma to beat Kansas and we move up to #2 and play WV in the National Title?
I think you are right. There isn't anyway possible that Oklahoma jumps us.
But there is a chance the Bucks can play the Sooners in the title game, if the 'Neers lose. So, if all these other goons have 2 losses, why not Hawaii ??
So you think that OU will jump LSU? Georgia? and Virginia Tech?
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Doesn't matter who wins the game tonight IMO... the winner tonight will have to lose to OU if we want to move up. Even if it's Kansas I think if they lose to OU in the title game they will fall behind us. But to be safe I'm cheering for Mizzu.
OU is I think 10th or something in the country right now. With two losses I doubt they jump us. Could be possible... don't see it happening.... they have Georgia and Virginia tech both with two losses ahead of them.
WVU just needs to win out and their in. I'm guessing they'll do that. UConn is the best chance for a loss and I don't see that happening.... we'll see.... I'd love for UConn to win today and I could just be happy and know that we were goign to the championship game.
But basically we need either WVU to lose or OU to win the Big 12... either scenario would get us in the NC game.
I'm not REALLY afraid of the Sooner "jump;" but I don't want to have to count on " can't-coach-in-the-big-game " Bob to beat Kansas. And remember what I said last week,...do you really think the Big 12 is going to pass on a Title Game opportunity by letting Oklahoma win,...??
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I understand your reasoning for Hawaii but that team won't even sniff a title game from what i've heard. Mind you i'm just going off of what I have heard but the main reason is because the play absolutely nobody.
Boise is their only real team they've played this year... they should get into a BCS game if they beat Wash St next week... but no way in hell they get in the national championship game.
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O.k I see what you are saying. All of this was starting to get a little confusing for me with all the stuff going on. Personally I would rather play WV in the National Title game so I hope we have that chance.
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