DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Re: Will Watson play for the Browns this year..(continued)

I just don't like the guy. I can't even watch him on the NFL pregame show anymore. I flip channels sometimes hoping for a segment w/Warner, Irv, or Mooch.....but I switch channels as soon as Eisen appears again. But, that's just me.

If Watson is charged w/a crime as more evidence comes out and he is convicted in a Criminal Court, I will change my stance completely. I can only go by the information provided at this point in time. I have suspicions that he might be guilty, but there is no proof. As someone who was charged w/a crime he did not commit, I am sensitive in regards to this issue. It almost ruined my life. The witness admitted to fabricating the story and I actually was awarded a significant amount of money. But, it was hell. And the feeling never, ever goes away. You always wonder what people are thinking when you run into those that were around the situation. One is never free from critical eyes once they have been accused of something. However, if Watson is convicted of a crime, I will change my views on him.

I do think I have an idea on how all this went down between Watson and his accusers, including the attorney who brought this FIRST to Civil Court, but I will keep those thoughts to myself because then I would be judging others w/out having enough facts to be sure about what I am saying. That would be unfair of me and I won't do it on a public forum.

Except that I know that I am judging Watson - I am not denying that. I think there is probably something to the 26 accusations and sworn testimony. Something to the pattern of behavior. Something to women leaving in tears. Something to the Houston appointment manager or whatever she is texting about him getting a reputation. Something to the investigating police officer saying all of her team believing a crime was committed. Something to the $5K payment to the Spa Owner "just because". . . . I look at that and believe there's something undoubtedly wrong. I think in a civil court DW will lose. I am not trying to be neutral.

My comment in white was because you appear to be saying you are neutral. Because the GJ didn't prosecute - then you will give DW the benefit of the doubt and put aside all the things I listed above and live by 'innocent until proven guilty. That seems to be your perspective ... and to me, your comment implied you were judging these women as simply wanting money and that their case was weak or manufactured and what they want is money, not justice. To me that's not neutral. That seems to me - and I might be misinterpreting it which is why I didn't accuse you but asked for your intent - it seems to be that you judge the women in a more harsh light than you do DW.

I can see how you think that. That is fair. I will not judge either Watson or the women on a public forum. I just don't have enough information to make a strong stance. A lot of what I say on here is to offer a counter-opinion of what the vast majority is saying. I think that promotes discussion, but it rarely works. However, as I have mentioned earlier, there are those who like my stances and they talk to me at-length in PMs. They just don't want to be attacked or add to the craziness. This board actually has a lot of intelligent people and I wish they would be more vocal on here, but it is what it is.

Look 888, we see this case different. You might be right. I may be right. No big deal in the grand scheme of things. Discussing things in a polite, civilized manner is so powerful. Debate is good. It helps us all grow as intellectual thinkers. I believe in the philosophy of being a life-long learner and hearing, digesting, and responding to alternative opinions is a huge part of that. It only works if we can be civil why doing so.

I'll tip my hat to you in that you have been polite tonight. I appreciate that.

j/c:

I mentioned in an earlier post that communication is hard - I've tried / am trying to qualify what I think your comments mean instead of just responding to them. It takes more time and patience but maybe that's the key ... (but now I'm spending even less time with the kids - I kid, I kid).

LOL.......that was pretty funny. I apologize for all that, though.

I'm channeling my inner Mac. Posting info already on the board.

LOL...that's harsh.

I have to add this...........and it won't be popular, but if Watson plays all--or all but 4 games this year, that we have a chance at going to the Super Bowl? I'm not saying we will go to the Super Bowl, but we would have a legitimate chance. The AFC is loaded w/very good teams and excellent qbs. But, we would be right there w/them. OMG!!!

Edit: It's probably a jinx to wish for something positive. If he gets a year, it will be even more devastating now that I have some hope.

I can't wait to see when Watson is showcasing his talents , giving a clinic on the QB position
And all the ones that were anti Watson this and that start applauding his play.
"Oh no how do I tell my daughter about this QB , this vessel of abhorable acts , boo boo waaa"
Turns into "did you see how Watson threw that ball over Micah Hyde!!!!, what a great game ""
If Watson does what he did as a Texan, in 2022, nobody will give a rabbits tail
Regarding the massage therapy saga .....
Zero today, hero tomorrow

I would say it would be wrong to rub it in. Handle it w/class.

Also, who the hell knows what Judge Robinson will decide? She might ban him for life for all we know. It's best to tread lightly and carry a hopeful stick.

If the PFT report is accurate...Believe it or not, I can see a possibility of no punishment...I really didn't think it possible before.

Second, the NFL’s case included no evidence that Watson engaged in violence, made threats, applied coercion, or used force.

I mean with all these cases, allegations and months of investigations where the NFL actually talked and interviewed the women...they decided to only present 5 cases and none of them had any evidence of said allegations???

The worst thing for the NFL is if she imposes a light sentence. If she imposes no punishment...it is over...done...NFL can save face and say they pushed for everything and can point a finger at Robinson...But if it is a light sentence.....Then the NFL has to decide if it wants to appeal to Goodell...which might seem like a slam dunk...But he would have to be very careful about this as it is the first time this disciplinary system has been used...and any increase, especially a large one, may very well place the NFL in Federal Court with the NFLPA. And that could cost the NFL more than bad press. If it is a heavy sentence, well I am sure the NFLPA will appeal...but not sure how that will go...

I said earlier that She being the first neutral authority to see all the "evidence" and BOTH SIDES of the argument....Her decision and opinion will carry a lot of weight in what I think about this whole situation...I still stand by that.

If she comes back and says no punishment....how many of you will change your tune on this issue? Does what she decide mean anything for you? Same question if she brings down the hammer...will anyone change their tune?

I have heard a possible negotiation on punishment would be to have Watson forfeit his salary from last year...pay it back...and he could get credit for a years suspension in return...I don't know how true that is...But with the PFT report(again if it is accurate)....Do you think the NFL has any leg to stand on in a negotiation???

This whole thing just got flipped over a few times.....wow....

I did not want to be the one who pointed that out, but it really is very important.

So, let's backtrack just a bit.........Remember Watson, his attorneys, and the Browns saying they were confident in what was going to happen once "the facts came out?" Remember the Browns saying they did their due diligence? Remember that other teams went after Watson once the GJ decided to not pursue criminal charges? Remember that some of us didn't agree w/those who say the Browns FO wasn't stupid?

I am not a fan of Depo. I loved Dorsey. Didn't like the Berry or Stefanski hire. However, if folks prove me wrong, I will change my mind. I am a big fan of both Berry and Stefanski. And while I still don't care much for Depo............I have to say that these guys are all intelligent and I do NOT believe they did not do their due diligence.

JMHO, you stated you've judged DW and because of the number/info you feel for the masseuses. I'd like you to think about the PLAYERS/ stars in this world for a change. Question- do you think masseuses are subjected to sex propositions "with normal" clients seeking massages? Do you think they've ever seen or touched a penis from an average Joe client AND do you think they contacted lawyers and wanted damages. Independent masseuses are in a cash mostly business- how many of the "seriously hurt/ damaged" masseuses came back for seconds. PLAYERS, celebrities, and other rich people are hounded by folks needing/wanting MONEY. Again, JMHO, 20 of 24 settled- DW made a money decision and MOST of the masseuses did too!!! Lastly, the LAWYERS smiling all the way to the bank. I love our Florida personal injury super star lawyer....his motto....FOR THE PEOPLE....right. Go Browns!!!

I'm just saying so many Browns fans act like this Watson
Ordeal is life/death ....Oh my gosh how can I ever watch the Browns
Again if Watson is under center ...
It's football for Petes sake..it's a game. Win lose draw , life goes on
Doesn't matter who the QB is...a Watson , Mayfield , Captain Kangeroo, Ernest T.Bass....
Just enjoy being a fan.
Life is too short to get worked over who QBing the offense
The whole Watson thing is much ado about nothing
A high profile athlete got massages. Whoopee fizz.
He isn't the 1st.he won't be the last
He isnt a predator , he's not a Ted Bundy, or Jimmy Page

I am not getting on your case, but please consider that people have the right to make a decision on which team to root for. No one is a bad person for refusing to root for the Browns because Watson plays for them. It's a personal choice.

I agree w/you about it being about football, but others don't have to agree. They are free to choose to root for the team or not and should not be belittled for whatever decision they make.

We really don't know if he is a predator or not. None of us on here know all the facts. We all have our opinions, but opinions are not facts.

I have ranted against those who have said that Watson was guilty, but it's wrong to say he is innocent. We simply do not know the truth. Keeping an open mind is the best course of action, in my opinion.

Heard MK Cabot say on the fan today that Susan Robinson is going to go through all the 3 days with a fine tuned brush and examine every piece of evidence and testimony. Her opinion ofc.


May take several days to hear anything may not, sure be happy for some type of news.

I know many don't like her but she said, honestly no one knows anything it's all speculation, seems that the nfl leak for a year long suspension may have upset Sue Robinson

j/c:

I have a question for you guys.

Judge Robinson has an impeccable record as a judge as far as I know. I spent a lot of time researching her because I love research and trying to find the truth. There was not much information out there, but none of it was negative. She comes across as a very low key, private person. No claims of improper judgements.

So, I ask you:

If Judge Robinson decides to hammer Watson and imposes a harsh penalty of a year or so............will you trash her?

Likewise:

If Judge Robions chooses to impose no penalty or a short-term suspension, will you trash her?

I want to hear from you now. Before she actually rules.Any takers.

I will speak for myself. While I am hoping for no penalty or a short suspension, I will accept her decision w/out too much criticism unless new information comes out about her being a shill. I doubt that will ever happen, so I am saying I will accept her decision.

Understood . Your words endorse your intelligence and well manacured thoughts

Thank you...........and please allow me to reiterate that I was not chastising you. I was hesitant to even post that because I have seen others get on your case. No way would I want to pile on. Thank you for not trashing me for my comments.

I will accept that she will make the best decision, based on the evidence.

Vers I will accept her decision also. I won't like it if it's a yearlong suspension or worse but in fairness, I don't know all the details and evidence that is being presnted to her. Noone does but the few closest to it. I just hope she'll be fair. There is no reason to think she won't from what we've read and heard.

I will accept it either way. She has the information from both sides. I trust her judgement.

Now if she referees a few of our games, then I reserve the right to complain about her judgement

Ernest T.Bass....
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Sorry, but it is late, and I am getting ready to head to bed, but the Andy Griffith reference caught me off guard and made me chuckle. Thanks.

Lets slow the roll on any exoneration of Watson....Robinson hasn't said anything yet.

Sure, the PFT report looks promising for Watson. I have heard there is a split in the NFL...some wanting to settle...but others expecting Robinson to rule in their favor. So while a split on their side is not good for the NFL...the fact that there are those on the NFL side who believe things are going in the right direction for them sort of refutes the PFT report.

So we are relying on the media (oh lord help us) for the information here...

Anything can and will happen...

So the wife gets the marching orders.

Also, I don't think owners do a whole lot of day to day running of anything. Maybe Jerry Jones being his own general manager some close. Even then, during the meeting on the last day in the building you lay down the marching orders to follow during the next 6 or however many weeks.

The owner may not be able to attend games or enter the facility, but no contact is pretty had to enforce. The owner may not be able to be there in person, but you can bet that some agent of theirs is sitting in on important meetings to be a direct pipeline. Few important decisions have to be made on the spot. Calling for a 90 minute lunch break is all that has to happen.

Deshaun Watson ruling may be weeks away

Posted by Mike Florio on June 30, 2022, 10:11 PM EDT
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The three-day hearing in the matter of Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson has ended. So when will Judge Sue L. Robinson issue a decision?

Per multiple reports, she has asked the two sides to submit written briefs in support of their respective positions by Monday, July 11. At that point, she’ll have everything she needs to make a ruling.

When she does, she’ll generate a written document, possibly 20 pages in length or longer. It will make findings of fact that will be binding on the appeals process. She will then apply the Personal Conduct Policy and any other relevant considerations to those facts in order to make a decision.

Our guess (and it’s just a guess) is that a decision will come by Monday, July 25. Then, the appeals process potentially will unfold — unless she decides to impose no discipline at all.

Again, her factual findings will be binding on the appeals process. Those findings also will go a long way toward helping media and fans understand the reasoning for the ultimate decision.

We fully expect the written decision from Judge Robinson to be published. When it comes to players, there’s always transparency. If Watson will be punished not very harshly or not at all, the league needs to hope that Judge Robinson makes a clear and persuasive explanation for the outcome. The league also will need to publish her decision for all to see, not sweep it under the rug like it did with the Commanders situation.

Sorry, but it is late, and I am getting ready to head to bed, but the Andy Griffith reference caught me off guard and made me chuckle. Thanks.[/quote]
That's awesome ..cause this board needs a injection of humour
at times. Cause people get so bent out shape over what..fans views
On a pro sport and it's players. At the end of the day
There is really no reason to name call or attack others om here
Based on their opinion
Glad you chuckled. It's refreshing in these parts

JC
Lady Liberty is blindfolded for a reason. Justice should be based on the evidence presented. Whatever her ruling is based on the evidence given I will accept her decision. I also think the NFL watered down what was presented on purpose. It will be interesting to see what comes from this. I just want it to be done.

I also want Baker to be traded to a team that has a chance of winning and not to a bottom of the barrel mess. He gave our team a chance to shine for the first time in a long time and he deserves to have another shot. This also needs to be done. We need to get back to the biggest worry being the next opponent the team is facing.

So if this is true and not just cover for DW:


And if the sex was all consensual, what the hell are we even doing? But I struggle to believe he would pay these women off if there were NOTHING but a lot of sex. I don't give a damn if he has a different woman every night, as long as it's not rapey. But all those cases were not brought and settled for appropriate sexual behavior. We're missing something, or somebody is covering up something. I don't know what to make of this. If it's true, why do they want him benched for a year? This entire ordeal smells fishy, and I think the NFL knows way more than we do. They wouldn't be after an indefinite suspension if he were this clean. It's all starting to piss me off. If he is this clean, I want to root for him. But I don't want to be tricked into rooting for a preditor. What the actual hell is going on here?

Have you ever once considered that the plaintiffs are chasing money? Have you ever once considered that the NFL is acting like they want Watson severely punished because of public opinion has been so negative while being fueled by Florio? Or, is it just as simple as Watson is a predator? For someone who complains about the alt-right and fascists on a daily basis, you sure behave just like them.

This is true, but from a fan perspective, it seems to me that the fans would miss seeing a player performing on the field than missing viewing an owner in a luxury box.

I considered all of that, but none of it makes sense. Watson being set up by Houston made more sense, but they are taking hits now. And 24 women all gold-digging in a pile on doesn't make sense either. I could see a handful, not 24, and not women refusing the payoff/settlement. Also, I think you would have to have a pretty low opinion of women, in general, to believe that one. The NFL would just be hurting their brand, if they found no evidence of wrongdoing, surely they would have come out with that and put this to bed. Also, taking down a top 5 QB for no reason, not only hurts their brand but also hurts fans for no reason, not to mention DW or other players' reactions to that scenario. Also, Florio is one of many piling on, I don't think he's the culprit.


And this was an honest question, worded honestly. You making it political proves how small you've become of late. Leave that in PP. You just attacked me for arguing why we would be doing this if that quoted section were true, supporting, or somewhat supporting your position. But your hate for me won't let you see that. Why would you even bother responding?

I replied to you because I think you are driven by a one-sided agenda that is unfair at its very roots.

And you got that from my question? Strange. I think you just have an opinion of me and lashed out without even considering what I was asking. Now, who is the bad actor?

Yes. One woman and it’s normal to be skeptical. When the number are 25 women then all skepticism is gone.

Is it? Why were there no police reports? Why did more and more join the suit after public opinion deemed Watson guilty.

Here is the truth, Flo. Neither you or I know the real truth. Pretending to know the truth while dismissing alternative theories is biased, unfair, and dangerous to our society. The witch-hunt days of Puritan New England should be long behind us. Many of us have evolved. Some of you have not.