I'm an old guy and I have this problem too. I'm not as active at 74 as I use to be AND thus have gained weight. I don't look bad in my clothes, so I don't think of it as much of a problem. Man, I'm wrong. The reason I started this thread is this TED talk. It sure surprised me. I recall President Kennedy's physical fitness programs during the 60s. Now, many of our soon to be warriors are having hip fractures due to prolonged years of inactivity. Food for thought parents- and grandparents- make sure your kids are moving. Please watch this TED talk.
"You've never lived till you've almost died, life has a flavor the protected will never know" A vet or cop
When we were kids we walked to school. Played outside, climbed trees, messed around at the local creek building dams, played sports in various empty lots and various other kid adventures.
Now they play video games, get driven to school, and are told that climbing trees is dangerous and might even hurt the trees feelings.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
As sad as it is, watch the movie 'Wall-E' and pay attention to the fat, lazy people on the ship. THAT is American society today. People are more about their diversions and eating garbage than they are about taking care of themselves.
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I think that's painting with too broad of a brush. There's certainly a slice of our population that's accurately described there, but at the same time we have more knowledge about the human body (and what works and doesn't) than ever before. We're also more skeptical of previously held health practices (ex. certain diets and health fads).
I know in the last 5-10 years, I've heard more people talk about lifestyle in situation where they'd normally be talking about medication and other interventional stuff. I think we're beginning to turn the Titanic.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
This topic is no joke. I am 74. Today is different.
Video games are made to be addictive. No different than cigarettes were. Kids play video games. Then when they get with other kids that is what they talk about.
I live with my two grandsons. One is 10. The other is 16. I have lived with them since they were born. Their lives are filled with screens. TV, Computers, xbox, cell phones. They can watch stuff at any time. So much is there for them to consume. Endless choices. It is a battle for their Mom to keep them moving. Food is controlled. My daughter is a health food person to the max. So the kids eat well. They are not overweight. We make it a point that everyday exercise is important. It is still a battle. Not that they are against it so much but if left alone they would be in front of some screen at all times.
We didn't have what they have. 3 tv stations, limited hours of broadcasting, no electronics, no cell phones. Maybe one car to a family. No rides. Walk or road bikes, played in the woods, played sports. I rarely sat down. I lap swim today and have been swimming for 15 years. I weigh the same as I always have. Wear the same clothes. Same 34" waist at 180lbs. I eat right. I try to set an example.
I make the boys do push-ups. Their father lives close by and the boys stay with him a few days a week. He workouts everyday. My daughter takes them on walks every evening. It is still a battle. The 16 year old joined the navy rotc program at high school. But neither boy is interested in sports.
It is easy to look around and know that obesity is a problem. As pointed out in the video the reasons are clear. Move more eat less and better.
It is up to the parents. It has to be priority or else bad things will happen in their futures.
I agree 100% it is the parents responsibility.....but, if the General is right and only 5 states require Physical Education....WOW. I'd hope the parents in those states would see all the fat people around them and understand life isn't just looking at screens. Kids need to be made to walk, move, or they'll suffer in the future. Dodge ball, kick ball, Red rover, red rover, send Jimmy over....all that's gone, but it shouldn't be. Get the kids moving. PS. Another problem, JMHO, after PE NO ONE SHOWERS- why, because no one should see your junk- actual statement from 40 year old parents. All they do is put cologne on. No wonder we have so many problems- bodies are to hide, and you should stink in class. Maybe only in 5 states. Bottomline- we need to teach young people to move and eat correctly.
"You've never lived till you've almost died, life has a flavor the protected will never know" A vet or cop
From a basic healthcare standpoint, obesity makes every other health issue harder for your body to deal with, or it’s the cause of the health issue in the first place. By far it’s the worst ‘pandemic’ this country faces. When COVID struck there was a time where a real conversation could have started. MANY of the COVID related deaths, especially in the 40-65 demographic, were amongst the obese. The opportunity to discuss our country’s weight problem and the need for a healthier society was passed by.
The American diet is crap. People in this country eat WAY too big of portions, and too many suck down 100’s of calories through a straw each day.
Most people don’t work physically hard enough to REQUIRE breakfast. A shot of whole cream or MCT oil in your coffee in the morning to satiate your fat needs can hold most people calorically through to lunch. Intermittent fasting isn’t difficult once you train your body. Essentially eat your day’s worth of calories within a 7 hour window. Mine is 12pm to 7pm. Give or take. There are days I get hungry and eat breakfast. You don’t have to be militant about it, but just changing when you take your calories can make a change in your body.
Anyway. I feel for people that struggle with their weight. Some in my family do. But in the long run it’s a life shortener… and a quality of life drainer.
Along those lines - I'm an OHSAA licensed umpire for softball. (already have games scheduled for 2023, as well as 2024, believe it or not)
I was amazed this year that 3 area schools, much larger than our local school district, didn't have j.v. softball teams. I asked 2 of the A.D.'s "why? What are the kids doing?" Both of them said "nothing. They have no desire to practice or play. Phones. Buried in their phones all the time."
I can understand to an extent the not showering thing. You know, the whole sex/whatever problems.
We used to shower after PE when I was in school. After practices, you showered at the school. Same with after games. Schools don't want that anymore, at least around here.
I eat breakfast when I'm on vacation. Otherwise, I don't. Not healthy, I'm sure.
I rarely eat lunch. I have a physically active/demanding job. I eat supper. On occasion I will eat an egg in the middle of the night.
Here's the thing: We're all going to die. We all have a born on date, and a 'done' date. Accepting those facts goes a long way. sure, being physically active, not over weight/obese, eating healthy, etc. might - does - help.
I'll be leaving in about 2 hours to go to a funeral visitation of a friend. 57. Non drinker, non smoker, not overweight, saw the doctor every year - etc. Dead.
I know people that smoked starting at age 12-15 that lived to be 90 or more.
Parents are overweight - borderline obese. 80 years old. Dad has his gall bladder removed about 12 years ago. Had a heart attack in Feb - 4 stents, he's fine. Mom was pre diabetic, got that taken care of by diet. Neither of them ate the healthiest up until about 10 years ago. Still going strong at 80+.
Doctor friend - healthy guy. Dead at 50.
Best man in my wedding - physically fit, played basketball in h.s./college, and every Sunday afternoon. Thin guy. Non drinker, non smoker - massive heart attack that almost killed him when he was 50.
I do understand that side of things too. None of us get out alive. None of us know our time stamp. Life is for the living. Eat well. All those things, and more. That said it doesn’t change the overall statistics about the effects of obesity.
Anyway. I feel for people that struggle with their weight. Some in my family do. But in the long run it’s a life shortener… and a quality of life drainer.
Through the lens of arch's post, it's the last part of your post there that's not debatable.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Genetically some of us are in trouble and some not. But if you overeat and get little to no exercise.
As you age you will pay. Stress on joints, organs, not to mention diseases like diabetes with all it's complications.
I don't believe you need to be a workout warrior. Just eat well and get some exercise.
I love breakfast my favorite meal. Light lunch like a bunch of cut up fruit and yogurt or no lunch. Eat a moderate dinner.
For whatever reason I have always disliked the feeling of being "to full". I don't like "stuffed" at all. I eat reasonable portions. Don't snack. I don't eat things like chips , candy, basically junk things never have. I don't drink beer, or any alcohol. Never drink sodas except with pizza. I do love ice cream and danish buns with coffee mmmm.
We eat to much and don't get enough exercise it drives ne crazy that i can't exercise like I use to. I worked out two hours a day six days a week for over 25 years. Once i got sick i had to go almost 5 years without exercising, and balooned up to 250 pounds. I have now been lifting light weights three times a week, but i still only walk one mile once a week. I cut my saturated fat down under 20 grams and calories under 2,000 per day. It has taken 2 1/2 years but i now weigh 207. Which is still obese according to those screwed up bmi charts. I know i will never be able to walk/jog 5 miles three times a week like I did for years. I also know my days of lifting heavy weights are gone as well. At the age of 48 I was still starting my workouts with three sets of 25 using 225 in the bench press. And did curls using 140 pounds.
For sure a problem... childhood obesity is awful... too many kids overweight in my area... lack of movement and exercise definitely contributes, but it starts with diet... not only eating too much but so much of our food (especially affordable food) is processed... loaded with sugars or sugar substitutes....
Wild animals are a bigger problem than obesity. A government that micro-manages, that attempts to mico-manage your life day by day is a bigger problem than obesity. I'm sure, that the thinking of the nazis, which led to the holocaust, and had no food calories per day for the Jewish people, that that kind of thinking, is behind, and the eventual end point of thinking, that starts out with the government micro-managing what you eat, think, say, do, sleep, slave, drink, smoke, (actually smoke is bad) move, walk, step-to, bow-down, and end all. They have totally enslaved you. And Wild animals are a bigger problem than obesity.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
Wild animals are a bigger problem than obesity. A government that micro-manages, that attempts to mico-manage your life day by day is a bigger problem than obesity. I'm sure, that the thinking of the nazis, which led to the holocaust, and had no food calories per day for the Jewish people, that that kind of thinking, is behind, and the eventual end point of thinking, that starts out with the government micro-managing what you eat, think, say, do, sleep, slave, drink, smoke, (actually smoke is bad) move, walk, step-to, bow-down, and end all. They have totally enslaved you. And Wild animals are a bigger problem than obesity.
Obesity to the Holocaust in under three sentences....
the size of this country plays a big role. it's not good or bad, but just something we have to consider when it comes to health and wellness of a society.
european countries tend to be much healthier, but the countries are smaller, which means infrastructure spending directly impacts the population better. and the combined efficiently of public transportation, residential development, and energy policies encourage more day to day activities outside, and more reasons to not rely on personal vehicles to get around, or travel to more distant locations.
the size of our country, combined with the culture and negative behavior surrounding public transportation in the US, has helped contribute to our rising obesity rates. we have drive thru everything, and these lifestyles are started early in our children's lives.
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I think that's painting with too broad of a brush. There's certainly a slice of our population that's accurately described there, but at the same time we have more knowledge about the human body (and what works and doesn't) than ever before. We're also more skeptical of previously held health practices (ex. certain diets and health fads).
I know in the last 5-10 years, I've heard more people talk about lifestyle in situation where they'd normally be talking about medication and other interventional stuff. I think we're beginning to turn the Titanic.
I agree. I'm actually healthier now at 38 (almost 39) than I was when I was in my mid-20's specifically because of the advancements that have happened on the nutritional front. Before - especially as kids in the 80's and 90's - it was "Go ahead and eat that sugar and processed food, as long as you avoid fat!" Well, turns out that's wrong. The vast majority of avoiding being fat is how you eat, now how you exercise.
That being said, I don' disagree with the points that Prp and Peen brought up (although it sounds like Peen was giving the "walk uphill to school both ways spiel "), but like you I don't think we can paint with a broad brush. Certainly the distractions and entertainment now make it much easier to be sedentary, but I see a counter-culture to that as well, like you mentioned.
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I don't eat breakfast either. I think the more and more nutrition studies that go on have demystified the myth that breakfast is actually the most important meal of the day.
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the size of this country plays a big role. it's not good or bad, but just something we have to consider when it comes to health and wellness of a society.
european countries tend to be much healthier, but the countries are smaller, which means infrastructure spending directly impacts the population better. and the combined efficiently of public transportation, residential development, and energy policies encourage more day to day activities outside, and more reasons to not rely on personal vehicles to get around, or travel to more distant locations.
the size of our country, combined with the culture and negative behavior surrounding public transportation in the US, has helped contribute to our rising obesity rates. we have drive thru everything, and these lifestyles are started early in our children's lives.
You might be on to something regarding size of the country:
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
I don't eat breakfast either. I think the more and more nutrition studies that go on have demystified the myth that breakfast is actually the most important meal of the day.
Same... I rarely eat it any more... never during the work week.... and occasionally on weekend... I love breakfast for dinner though... but typically am doing egg tacos or something
I'm glad you are working out and still have your strength. BUT, all of us need to remember the basic, you are what you eat AND most of us EAT TO MUCH. All the BS we read about the magic pill, drink X amount of water, lose 10 lbs a week by taking this secret at night....all junk. Heath health "mostly" and be aware of how much you put into your body. PS, you can't eat like you did when you were 30 in your 70s....I promise you it don't work. Good Luck, you only have one life, be smart.
I'm still working on the smart. UGH.
"You've never lived till you've almost died, life has a flavor the protected will never know" A vet or cop
Yeah............I have 3 friends that are totally all in on selling Plexus products. Sham.
"Buy this. 3 day re-set. Just drink this for 3 days........"
Pink drink, all the vitamins and minerals you need.
This drink, that drink - it's all you need to lose weight, or fix your gut bacteria, etc.
One of them selling it is obese. Another one has been slim her whole life. Another one, the same, but she's the one making $20,000 a year selling this stuff. And then this "I've been to Vegas, and just recently to ..... but no one could go with me so I went with my 'uplink'. " Uh, ponzi scheme, or just scam?
Sadly, it's one of those "multi level marketing" programs. A couple people I know are into one that touts the magic of collagen. It may work, they swear they feel a lot better taking the stuff, but holy crap is it expensive. It has to be so everyone in the upline can take their cut.
As far as cleanses and resets go, it's a total scam. If it's so great, why not just do a colonoscopy prep? Absolutely nothing will clean you out like those. Your colon walls are squeaky clean after one miserable night. I've got pictures to prove it, lol. There's not decades of toxic buildup caked on the colon walls that the sellers of these cleanses will lead you to believe. You reset your metabolism by eating decent food at maintenance calories for a few weeks and getting some exercise. Something I'm doing right now. I've really gotten out of shape and put on weight since my knee went bad. Now I've got the new one, PT is kicking my butt 3x per week and I'm able to walk a little and use the bike desk. I'll be able to get on the road bike in 2-3 more weeks.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
Amen... weight loss is relatively easy... calories in... calories out...
All the different programs don't mean squat... I've gotten bad about my eating and exercise at times in my life... any time I need to get in shape and lose weight it's fairly easily... really just comes down to being disciplined enough to exercise and eat (relatively) healthy... frankly it's cheaper too when I cut down on drinking and eating out...
..why not just do a colonoscopy prep? Absolutely nothing will clean you out like those. Your colon walls are squeaky clean after one miserable night.
Truth!
Mental note, don't read this thread during breakfast.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I agree with caveat that quality also counts. "Junk in, junk out".
My hot-take is that, in due time, we're going to end up doing the same 180 on sugar as we have on fats. In our need to demonize one thing at all times I think we lose track of the big picture, which is moderation and the quality of the food you're eating.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I think you can eat almost anything in moderation. Sure, sugary snacks, fast food, chips and such aren't healthy, but I have seen no evidence that eating them as a reward system or occasional indulgence is harmful. As such I don't go crazy with anything like that but still partake of them once in a while. For the most part I eat pretty healthy.
As some of you have mentioned I'm not a breakfast eater but do like breakfast food for dinner once in a while. I usually have a light lunch. I do eat a hearty dinner however. I guess I'm just lucky to a degree. Some people eat out of stress or boredom. I'm retired but have never eaten out of habit or base my food intake on what many would consider "meal time". I worked a very physically demanding job that burnt off a ton of calories. As such my caloric intake used to be crazy high. Luckily as my lifestyle slowed down somewhat, so did my bodies desire to take in calories. I weigh just over 10 pounds more than I did when I graduated high school. I have no problem with that and neither does my doctor.
I do understand how many people aren't so lucky. I've watched many people struggle with weight over much of their lifetime. Their experiences are why I feel so fortunate.
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If that’s all it takes you’d never last in my profession.
Never said I could! :-p
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Didn't know that, glad he's a survivor. My wife, love of my life is obese, she's survived breast cancer, no one can lose weight for anyone else, they have to do it. Like most who've posted, limit quantity in and burn what you do....as a country we are not moving as much as we use to......I'm trying to keep my grandchild off the I Pad and moving outside....it is a constant battle....all the best to all.
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I eat a bowl of honey nut cheerios for breakfast. A good lunch. And little to no dinner, hate that full feeling all night. Then I walk 8 to 12 miles a day everyday. Been following this for 10 months now that I’m on 1st shift. Started at 267lbs, this morning weighed in at 202lbs.
I love hearing about people who overcome any vice.
In my life I have seen many good people lose the battle with alcohol and drugs.
When weight threatens your life not just the quality of your life. I love hearing stories of those who make a change for the better.
It is motivation for others. Weight gain is so easy today. We can eat anything at any time. When you see pictures of the Great Depression and the Dust Bowl people. You look into their eyes and see the hardship. How gaunt they looked. Eating was not a given.
Today the choices are endless. Exercise does not always come from being alive. It is now a choice we make.
Taking a stand to be healthy as you can. Is a good but difficult choice.
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it drives ne crazy that i can't exercise like I use to. I worked out two hours a day six days a week for over 25 years. Once i got sick i had to go almost 5 years without exercising, and balooned up to 250 pounds. I have now been lifting light weights three times a week, but i still only walk one mile once a week. I cut my saturated fat down under 20 grams and calories under 2,000 per day. It has taken 2 1/2 years but i now weigh 207. Which is still obese according to those screwed up bmi charts. I know i will never be able to walk/jog 5 miles three times a week like I did for years. I also know my days of lifting heavy weights are gone as well. At the age of 48 I was still starting my workouts with three sets of 25 using 225 in the bench press. And did curls using 140 pounds.
"), but like you I don't think we can paint with a broad brush. Certainly the distractions and entertainment now make it much easier to be sedentary, but I see a counter-culture to that as well, like you mentioned.
