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Browns place Denzel Ward, Jack Conklin on active/PUP list as training camp begins Wednesday
Updated: Jul. 26, 2022, 7:14 p.m.|Published: Jul. 26, 2022, 4:00 p.m.
Cleveland Browns minicamp, June 16, 2022
Cleveland Browns cornerback Denzel Ward gets his left leg and foot checked out by training staff during Cleveland Browns minicamp Thursday, June 16, 2022 at FirstEnergy Stadium.
By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Two more of the Browns’ key players will begin training camp on the active/Physically Unable to Perform list in cornerback Denzel Ward (foot) and right tackle Jack Conklin (knee).

They join rookie receiver David Bell, who may have suffered a stress fracture in his foot, and is expected back on the field in a couple of weeks. Ward, Conklin and Bell can be activated at any time.

The Browns also placed defensive tackle Sheldon Day (back) and linebacker Anthony Walker (groin) on the active/non-football injury list. Wide receiver Javon Wims was placed on the active/non-football illness list.


All are expected to be out at least a week or, in some cases, weeks.

Ward, who signed a five-year extension this offseason worth $100.5 million, injured his foot on the final day of mandatory minicamp June 16 and walked gingerly off the field with a trainer. An MRI and other imaging tests the next day showed no major structural damage, but Ward was seen in a walking boot at his youth football camp last month. If all goes as hoped, he’ll be back on the practice field soon, at least on a limited basis.

His injury gives third-round pick Martin Emerson a chance to get more reps with the starters in the early part of camp.

As for Conklin, he underwent surgery in December to repair a torn patella in his knee, and has been progressing well. He needs a little time, but should be back on the practice field next week, at least on a limited basis. The Browns are fortunate to have swing tackle Chris Hubbard back healthy from his torn triceps this season.

As for Day, Walker and Wims, Kevin Stefanski will update the outlook on the first day of practice open to the media on Wednesday. The rest of the veterans reported for camp Tuesday, joining the quarterbacks and rookies, who reported on Friday.


Camp opens with the Browns still awaiting word on Deshaun Watson’s likely suspension. In the meantime, he’s been practicing along with Josh Rosen and the other quarterbacks since Friday.

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Bell placed on active/PUP with a foot injury


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Not surprised Ward is injured again


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Hard to be out on an island with bad legs defending against the best the other teams have to offer and not take the slightest dings seriously. But I wish he were better able to stay on the field too.


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Originally Posted by superbowldogg
Not surprised Ward is injured again

That is why I call him Hospital Ward. I am not overly concerned about camp that much, but the guy is frail. He will miss several games due to something.

Bell, stress fracture....how wonderful is that?! Not to be a downer, but breaking your feet tends to lead to more broken bones in the foot..oh well. I am not ready to scratch him off the list, but this isn't a good start.

As for Conklin...his body is starting to break down it seems. His injury was serious enough that I don't think any were expecting him back until the end of camp at best. We will see how that goes.


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If there's no major structural damage, holding him out is the best thing so long as there isn't going to be significant changes to the D (won't be as far as I know). Get Newsome some time opposite Cooper, get the new guys more/better snaps.

No big deal this time, IMO.


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Yeah, these reports are probably just Training Camp news.

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And that was just the first day for the vets to practice. Be prepared as more will join the list before we play our first game. Happens every year.

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Ward is a great corner but will miss games due to injury. Explains why we have used a high draft pick on a corner the last three drafts. I hope we keep all four as long as we can.

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Originally Posted by Cleats
And that was just the first day for the vets to practice. Be prepared as more will join the list before we play our first game. Happens every year.

I understand what you are getting at with the injury list and what will surely happen (and heads will explode)...re: the PUP list...I think one practice in TC and you aren't able to be PUP'd. Which I find very odd.

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Originally Posted by Cleats
And that was just the first day for the vets to practice. Be prepared as more will join the list before we play our first game. Happens every year.

I am not positive, but I'm pretty sure the Browns did not practice yesterday. Vets were scheduled to report yesterday and I believe today is the first day they will see the field as an entire team.

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You are correct. They had to report yesterday but will hold first practice today.

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Might as well call me hospital as well then, I landed on the wrong surface the wrong way, stuff happens.
Not only must they make all the plays, but not get hurt doing it, umm kay.
Denzel Ward is alright to give maximum effort in my book, don't hold back.


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Originally Posted by oobernoober
If there's no major structural damage, holding him out is the best thing so long as there isn't going to be significant changes to the D (won't be as far as I know). Get Newsome some time opposite Cooper, get the new guys more/better snaps.

No big deal this time, IMO.

As I said, I am not all that concerned about training camp or Ward not getting the reps like I am with Bell. With Ward it is just another injury to add to a long list, so at this point it isn't "worry" for me any longer. It is more expectation. It isn't a case of if he is going to get injured, it is a matter of when, how often, and how long?

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Ward hasn't missed more than 4 games in any one season - but he's missed at least 1 game in every season. Of the 4 games he missed one year I think they might have been either all or mostly Covid related. I think it's a bit frustrating but I think that some fans think he is more injured than the reality.

Injuries happen to every team - last year we were decimated by injury across every offensive position and at times it impacted areas of the defense. It was not acceptable as an excuse for many last year - so I guess we'll just have to live with what happens this year and every other. My only comment would be that it feels like the Browns are always in top 1/2 of the Injury Table - sometimes very high up.... law of averages says it should be more random, so what do we do - or what do we not do - that makes the team as a whole more vulnerable? I'd assume we have been through multiple trainers and coaches with the same result over that time?


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I hope you are right and my perception of the situation is off.

Any word on when he will come off the PUP list?


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Ward hurt his foot on the last day of OTA's. I've watched reports that he is fine and isn't even wearing a brace. They are just taking it easy w/him. Bell's injury is a bit more serious, but I don't think it will be a huge issue. It would be nice to see him getting reps w/Watson and Brisset.

Edit: I just watched a Jim Donovan video and he said Ward was in a walking boot.

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Whenever he's got hurt I've found myself saying to myself "Oh no, here we go again" - but then when you look at the career, I do think we come down too hard on him. I remember his first season where he thought he could tackle like a linebacker and ended up hurting himself ... I don't think he is as reckless anymore and he was not made of glass that first season and threw himself around a lot before finally hurting himself. As a Vet he might finally have realized his value to the team is as an elite CB not as an enforcer.


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Hoping the Schwartz thing isn’t serious … I’ve noticed a lot of soft tissue stuff across the league the past few years and teams seem to be using the PUP list way more here to start


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Hopefully, not a torn ACL or MCL for Schwartz.

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Yeah, they said he was stretching, which would indicate a muscle concern I’d think


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I read this morning it is a knee injury. Hoping for the best.


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Originally Posted by Dawgs4Life
Yeah, they said he was stretching, which would indicate a muscle concern I’d think

Geesh...so he caused his own injury.

Sorry, I am just not feeling it with that guy. I just get the feeling the guy is a waste of time.

Maybe Woods or Weston will get a real look and make Schwartz expendable. When you get to be a good team, nothing says a 3rd or 4th rounder has to keep making the team. At least they shouldn't if they aren't getting it done.


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Agree. Other than running fast, what does he bring to the table?


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I'm starting to ask myself that also. He had a hamstring injury last year during most of training camp and into preseason. Also he was out 3 games with concussion. Hope he turns things around this year.

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I am not championing him. Heck, I don't even like him all that much. However, he has only one year under his belt and he played w/a qb who was not effective. It's too early to write him off. I will say that of DPJ, Bell, and Schwartz, I have the least amount of confidence in Schwartz.

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j/c...

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Schwartz wont even eclipse 500 yds this season
He is poor mans John Ross

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jc...

One of the reasons that a players 40 time is rather meaningless...what is that players 40 time when he is injured and not at 100%..?

By the time the regular season begins not many of your players are going to be playing at 100% or pain-free. Coaches are looking for those players who are capable of playing through their pain, yet continue to perform at a high level. The game becomes a challenge for each player to find a way to complete their assignment on each play, even if they are not 100%.

Maybe Schwartz is challenging himself...

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I agree Mac, the 40 time is probably an antiquated measurement of a player’s speed/burst anyways.


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Schwartz is not an NFL receiver, Browns have one of the worst wide receiving cores in the NFL. Cooper is a has been. Should not have traded all their draft picks for DeMassage.

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I think our WR corp really hinges on DPJ. He’s been bad and good in his career. This is a big year for him


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Originally Posted by Dawgs4Life
I think our WR corp really hinges on DPJ. He’s been bad and good in his career. This is a big year for him


He is not a number 2. Browns have a 2 (Cooper) as their one and a 3 as their 2 (DPJ). He is both too slow and lacks the quickness to get open when defenses play him straight up.

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I think our WR corp really hinges on DPJ. He’s been bad and good in his career. This is a big year for him


He is not a number 2. Browns have a 2 (Cooper) as their one and a 3 as their 2 (DPJ). He is both too slow and lacks the quickness to get open when defenses play him straight up.

Maybe you are right. We will see if better QB play makes them look better. I think in the past some open guys didn't get the ball, or were targeted late as their open window was closing. Very few receivers get open and stay open for very long.


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I think our WR corp really hinges on DPJ. He’s been bad and good in his career. This is a big year for him


He is not a number 2. Browns have a 2 (Cooper) as their one and a 3 as their 2 (DPJ). He is both too slow and lacks the quickness to get open when defenses play him straight up.

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Another WR down: Weston leaves on cart, significant injury feared
https://brownswire.usatoday.com/202...medium=trueanthem&utm_source=twitter
Injuries are a part of football. A very physical sport with very big people moving very fast is bound to lead to people getting hurt. When injuries become problematic is either when they hit the top-level players on a team or when they hit a specific position group especially hard.

For the Cleveland Browns, the latter has been a problem during the first week of training camp. The wide receiver position, which wasn’t considered overall deep to begin with, has been hit with a few important injuries.

The first two, David Bell and Anthony Schwartz, are not expected to be major but could cost each player important practice time. For Bell as a rookie, early assimilation is important. For Schwartz, getting confidence back after a rough rookie year would be vital.

On Saturday another injury happened at the position with Isaiah Weston being carted off with what seemed to be something serious:

According to Brad Stainbrook, the injury is to his ACL but may not be a complete tear.

Weston was a very interesting undrafted free agent addition for the team. At 6’3″, Weston ran a 4.42 40-yard dash at the NFL combine. He has the best athletic score of all receivers since 1987.

With the Browns off on Sunday, we are unlikely to get official word from the team until they return on Monday.


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Good point. We’ll find out with better QB play


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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j/c

I didn't want a new thread for this - but Mekhi Becton looks to have a serious injury. I know there was a lot of debate (as always) about that year's OT draft class and Becton is a massive man that played the position well. I think there were a few of us worried about the potential for serious injury when you are that big and play a position that is in a dog fight every down. Hope he bounces back. I liked what the Jets did in the draft this year but they still need a lot of help.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...khi-becton-initially-thought-source-says


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