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I have seen where we are picked last in the North.

Well now. The Bengals did win the North and have added OL help.

The Ravens will return a lot of injured guys.

And the Steelers are really good defensively.

I understand the giant question has not been answered. However, we do have a few good players.

Maybe Mason Rudolph will win the job in Pittsburgh and maybe pigs can fly with pixie dust?

Jocoby is not DW. I know. But he is most likely better than anyone the Steelers have.

I don't know what we will do but I doubt that we will be in last place.

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Bone I'd rather that we are the underdog and no one expects us to do anything. We never live up to high expectations

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It pretty much comes down to this...

If Watson misses no more than 4 games, Browns should be in the mix in the playoffs.

The only thing that could make them playoff bound without Watson is if the defense becomes the best in the league...I'm talking legion of boom level. The talent is there for that to be a reality, but then you'd have to believe in Woods, and I think that's a tall order.

I also believe the next time Stefanski out coaches the guy across the field from him will be the first. This coaching staff has massive question marks.

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Impossible to predict without knowing the status of Watson.

USA Today gave their opinion anyway.


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It was because of their prediction I started the thread.

I wish I knew more about Jacoby. Seen some. Read what others wrote and a heard podcast about him.

What is hard to know is how he will play with this team? We have the line and running backs. That is the offensive strength of the team.

I feel good about tight end. I like that Njoku and Bryant will get more touches.

I am comfortable with Cooper and DPJ. The others are more quesswork than known production.

The defense IMO can be top five. The talent is there. Yes, there is concern about DT. If it looks bad maybe a move will be made. The rest of the defense looks damn good to me.

We should be able to run it and pass it enough to win against 500 or worse teams. We need DW to go against the good teams.






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How can you say Jacoby is not worse than anyone the Steelers would have.
The Steelers Qbs have had time in their organization. Jacoby is not only not very good but he is a new face in a first year with his organization, just like Watson is.

Nobody wants to admit that it's not impossible to predict, the probable outcome of the Browns season is they'll lose 6 games before they win 3 and probably 7 before they win 4.
A 4-7 team in the AFC aint going to make up enough ground to finish any better than 500 at best, even if they have a top Qb joining them for the first time. So the Browns ceiling in wins is about what last years was, 8-9 if everything goes perfect.
And 3-14 if it goes really bad.

Nobody in Cleveland wants to hear that. Ain't nobody got time to hear that.


Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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If Watson gets 0--2 games, I predict we will be the favorites. It's just so hard to say right now.

This is from a sports book:


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AFC North Odds: Baltimore Ravens (+150)

The Baltimore Ravens endured a stunning number of injuries last season before finishing a disappointing 8-9 – last in the division.

QB Lamar Jackson missed five games, just two offensive linemen started more than 12 contests and only three players on the entire roster started all 17 games.

The running back room in particular was decimated as Baltimore’s top two backs, J.K. Dobbins and Gus Edwards, both missed the entire year after preseason ACL injuries.

The running game is incredibly important to the Ravens’ offensive game plan and they will likely lead the league in rushing attempts once again. That’s why it makes sense that sportsbooks are expecting a big bounce-back season from the Ravens with Dobbins, Edwards and Jackson all expected to be healthy around Week 1.

The defense will be solid again with corners Marcus Peters and Marlon Humphrey healthy along with four picks in the first four rounds of the draft on that side of the ball.

For a talented roster with a top QB, defense and coach, +150 is a good number.


AFC North Odds: Cincinnati Bengals (+175)

It was an incredible season for the Bengals, who not only won the division but ended up in a tightly contested Super Bowl they eventually lost 23-20.

The emergence of QB Joe Burrow was the biggest reason for Cincy’s mostly unexpected success last season, and there’s no reason to believe he’ll slow down that development any time soon.

The Bengals have surrounded Burrow with one of the best skill groups in football with superstar sophomore receiver Ja’Marr Chase, receiver Tee Higgins and running back Joe Mixon all high-end talents at their positions.

The Bengals added first-, second- and third-round picks to an already improving defense and the rocket ship is pointing up for the roster as a whole.

+175 is a great number in AFC North odds for the team that came a few points from a Super Bowl victory a few months ago.



AFC North Odds: Cleveland Browns (+325)

When you look at the rosters in the AFC North top to bottom, it’s not hard to make a case that the Browns have the best of the bunch.

They have an elite offensive line, the best one-two punch at running back in the league, a new, proven No. 1 receiver in Amari Cooper, arguably the best defensive end in the league in Myles Garrett and plenty of talent and playmakers at all three levels of the defense.

The elephant in the room, of course, is the quarterback position. If playing, Deshaun Watson might be the best QB in the division. But, will he be playing?

Watson is facing 22 civil lawsuits, many alleging sexual misconduct and assault, and it seems just a matter of time before the league suspends him. There are some rumors a suspension could range between two and eight games, while others suggest it could be for the entire 2022 season.

If we knew it was going to be just two games, the Browns would probably be a little closer to the Bengals and Ravens in AFC North odds, if not ahead of them. An eight-game suspension would almost certainly take them out of the running altogether.

That uncertainty makes the Browns impossible to bet on right now.



AFC North Odds: Pittsburgh Steelers (+1100)

The Steelers have a solid roster with a good group of skill players and a quality defense. The problems in Steel Town are two-fold and significant: offensive line and quarterback.

Mitchell Trubisky is the assumed starter after Ben Roethlisberger’s retirement, but the Steelers also spent a first-round pick on Pitt QB Kenny Pickett. Pickett is an older prospect who supposedly came into the league “NFL-ready,” but reports don’t expect him to beat out Trubisky to start the season.

It’s hard to see the Steelers being a full-on disaster with quality coaching and a top-notch defense, but we also don’t think they stand much of a chance in AFC North odds with easily the worst quarterback situation.

https://www.oddsshark.com/nfl/afc-north-odds

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Trubisky and Pickett were added to compete against Rudolph.

Pickett is a rookie. Trubisky was with the Bills last season as a backup.

Jocoby is at least as good as anyone they have.

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Let’s look at our schedule … let’s assume that Watson misses 6 games (just a hunch)

At Carolina - WIN (We squeak one out without Watson)
NY Jets - LOSS (Still without Watson … they’re going to be improved IMO)
Pittsburgh - WIN (I think we can win a low scoring affair)
At Atlanta - WIN (I think they stink)
LA Chargers - LOSS (Maybe a blowout)
New England - LOSS (We won’t beat them without Watson)
At Baltimore - LOSS (Tough game on the road)
Cincinnati - WIN (Big primetime win on Halloween)
BYE
At Miami - WIN (They are good on both sides of the ball but we have a better QB)
At Buffalo - LOSS (Top team in the NFL)
Tampa Bay - LOSS (Rough stretch of games for us here)
At Houston - WIN (They stink)
At Cincinnati - LOSS (We’ll take a split with them)
Baltimore - WIN (We’ll take a split with them)
New Orleans - WIN (They’ll be sneaky good, but we play them at home in December)
At Washington - WIN (They stink on offense)
At Pittsburgh - WIN (They may be playing for draft position here)

10-7 … this is pretty realistic IMO

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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted by Dawgs4Life
Let’s look at our schedule … let’s assume that Watson misses 6 games (just a hunch)

At Carolina - WIN (We squeak one out without Watson)
NY Jets - LOSS (Still without Watson … they’re going to be improved IMO)
Pittsburgh - WIN (I think we can win a low scoring affair)
At Atlanta - WIN (I think they stink)
LA Chargers - LOSS (Maybe a blowout)
New England - LOSS (We won’t beat them without Watson)
At Baltimore - LOSS (Tough game on the road)
Cincinnati - WIN (Big primetime win on Halloween)
BYE
At Miami - WIN (They are good on both sides of the ball but we have a better QB)
At Buffalo - LOSS (Top team in the NFL)
Tampa Bay - LOSS (Rough stretch of games for us here)
At Houston - WIN (They stink)
At Cincinnati - LOSS (We’ll take a split with them)
Baltimore - WIN (We’ll take a split with them)
New Orleans - WIN (They’ll be sneaky good, but we play them at home in December)
At Washington - WIN (They stink on offense)
At Pittsburgh - WIN (They may be playing for draft position here)

10-7 … this is pretty realistic IMO

Really hard to predict with the looming suspension. Plus we don't know if more allegations are coming against the QB. Also you don't know if his massage exploits will continue. Lots of uncertainty.

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As the media coverage of Camps around the league gets into full swing. The Browns are clearly a cold topic.

The reasons are understandable. The pending decision and how uncomfortable it is to talk about. At this point IMO fans from all over just want an answer. Most are relying upon the powers to be to provide clarity. Once a decision is given and the matter settled.

People will move on to football and the field. The team seems to be in gear. Coaches preparing the team for the season. The players are loose and the vibe appears to be good. Players are predictable. They know what they have to do and how they are looked at.

In many ways I like not getting any attention. I thought last year the team would roar. It didn't happen for many reasons. Even with all that did happen we were still in it almost to the end. We have had way worse years.

So I like no expectations. I know we have talent on the roster. There are many players I am excited about watching.

Whatever is decided about DW I am good. If JB plays all season or a few games I am all in. I think we have a team that will be fun to watch.

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