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That's fair.

Yes.

May I ask you another question. Are you positive that Watson is guilty?

And Favre, Kraft, Snyder, or any other individual that may have "got off" - doesn't excuse Watson and it does not mean a suitable suspension/penalty isn't wholly justified.

And Favre did sent illicit photos of himself to a Jets employee. No problem, I guess.

Ben was accused twice of rape, NFL gave him a wrist-slap. But now that the nfl is more ‘sensitive’, they’re going after Deshaun hard. Why appoint the judge, but appeal her ruling?

I mentioned the other day - someone was crowing for weeks about everyone accepting Sue Robinson's judgement. That was Vers.

Now the judgement is out and it is unequivocal - and Vers wants to ignore or debate the findings and ruling. Ey Ey Ey. No wonder he has so many people on ignore.

Of at least one case or all of them?

And her judgment was that Watson was super guilty and lacked remorse. Just that the NFL sucks and she couldn’t suspend him more.

They appointed the judge so that when there was a ruling they liked but the public didn’t they could point to her and say, “It wasn’t us.”

Really folks..............am I the only one that sees that white dudes and especially owners are treated differently than black players and coaches?

How many black owners are there?

What is the percentage of of black players in the NFL? I think it's 70% to 75%.

What is the percentage of black head coaches?

Do black coaches get crappier jobs than white coaches?

Do white coaches who have been fired get more opportunities than blacks who have been fired?

Do white coaches who come out of nowhere get more HC opportunities than black coaches?

Do white owners get away w/violating the Personal Conduct Policy more than black players?

Do white players get away w/violating the Personal Conduct Policy more than black players?

Does the NFL cater more to public opinion than factual evidence? If so, is public opinion driven by whites or blacks?

And out of everyone that has an opinion on this - Sue Robinson is the one that has seen and heard all the evidence. Right? And she is a retired, respected Judge with an impeccable record. Right? That was repeated a few times by said poster ... but now the ruling is in, suddenly the soundness of her decisions is to be questioned and undermined.

Find me a white dude in any capacity within the NFL with 26 allegations of Sexual Assault/Misconduct levied against them and I'll compare it to how Watson is being treated. To be fair and balanced - we need that White Guy to have been accused of these things since the #metoo movement was a thing.

That could be a great discussion. I don't want to make it public because I hate assigning guilt either way. You probably are not interested, but if you are, PM me and I have a theory about what you are asking. It isn't an answer......it is just a theory. Unlike some folks who use words like predator, rapey, sexual deviant, etc........I won't resort to that in a public forum.

Woke

Also, her judgement determined that Watson receive a 6 game suspension. Yet, some Browns fans [sic] say that he deserves much more. So, why won't they listen to her recommendations?

Didn't think so. Carry on.

j/c:



Lolz.

So if Cleveland was playing Houston in weeks 6 or 8, the NFL would have been fine with a suspension until then? Geez.....what a clown show, if true.

Sue Robinson is in bed with NFL.
It's only pandering and race hustling because you don't like the opinion, do not like Watson, and was/are a Baker fan. It's no coincidence that the the most vocal anti Watson guys are big Baker fans. That is not a coincidence.

Well you guys got what you wished for. I hope another non-playoff season is enjoyable for you.

Me, personally, I only care about watching winning football and am unapologetic about it. With Watson we had a good chance of watching winning football. Without him we won't make the playoffs. That is not enjoyable to me. We will also have wasted another year of Myles, Chubbs, and Bitonios primes. So we jeopardize further seasons of winning football. I cannot think of anything less enjoyable than watching continuous losing over and over and over again season after season after season. I don't care if the players are nice, mean, personable, bad people, good people, etc. Don't care. Just frigging win.

If you're telling me that you can't enjoy a winning season if Watson is your QB, I respect that decision. But i am not in that camp. I will still tune in and watch every Sunday and hope like hell they win. Now, I am debating on canceling Sunday ticket. Or maybe I'll adopt the Raiders.

Extremely well said.

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My initial reaction after Robinson's ruling was that the NFL would not appeal. Oops! <cringe face emoji>

The Browns never cease to amaze me how they can not only step in a pile chit, but somehow manage to fall face first in it and flop around. They had to understand that how this is playing out was always a possibility.

What a mess and it's always the fans that are left holding the bag.

j/c:

I have had the same thoughts. I freaking love football. i watch college and NFL football on two huge TVs every time they are on. I record games and break down what i see. Love it. But, I used to love watching MLB and they turned me off w/the BS about not opening their books, the steroid hysteria, and the labor negotiations. I loved the NBA, but the the social and political BS along w/dudes like Kyrie, Simmons, Leonard, Hardin,etc not playing drove me away.

Again, I am not sure about this because I love football so much...............but what the NFL is doing to Watson has me very upset because they are letting worse offenders off the hook while punishing a black man. I'm not good w/that. At all. I am not making any proclamations right now because I am emotional, but if the NFL doesn't care about Browns fans............than I am not sure i want to view their product.

I absolutely love collegiate football. I wonder if that will be enough to curb my football appetite?

JC Tretters way of saying "ya all should have handed me a contract !!!

So now I'm a nit-noid? WTH?




jk, I knew what you meant.

Well crap. I hate to agree but I do. I think he should have a longer suspension, yes, but she was very clear she played by their rules in this. I'm all for making an example of RDW because he's a predator, plain and simple. But I don't think they can really do much more because of how they handled crap in the past. RDW may actually get fewer suspended games if this drags out to final arbitration. Judge Robinson did a very good job articulating the "why's" in her ruling, I don't see how this appeal helps the NFL's image, IMO. They are making a kangaroo court out of this by seeking more, IMO.

Before I get flamed, remember my stance on the whole thing. And I hope like hell this doesn't result in the guard rails she put in place being reversed or undone. The browns put themselves here and have to deal with RDW for at least 5 years, so he needs that short leash IMO.

Sure, except he would be walking away from $230 mil... Somehow, I don't think even the stupidest person on earth does that to prove a point. As long as there are no criminal charges, he can sit as long as they punish him and just wait for that Brinks truck to show up.

I think this thing is going to federal court now- wonder how long it will take to get done? Watson will play while it works its way through the court system- NFL chose to air their laundry in court- we will see if they end up liking their choice. Watson has lots of money he can pay lawyers/ NFL has more, but they sure have open a HUGE can of worms. Go Browns!!!

Utterly ridiculous… nfl hires an impartial arbitrator to rule… but doesn’t like their ruling… so they appeal.. to themselves…. It’s the dumbest thing

I dont like that info about the NFL wanting to have Watson avoid playing in Houston … so they’ll conveniently make his suspension 12 games? So now all of a sudden suspensions are decided by the schedule makers in April? Lol so dumb

I don't have an opinion on that, but I would like to point out that what is and is not acceptable social behavior is always evolving. Sexting was a big thing for a while, look at the trouble it brought Anthony Weiner. Were as what used to be termed as a "rub and tug", like all massage parlors were just houses of ill repute has evolved into an accepted medical therapy, while both versions still seem to exist.

Also, even though the race card might be appropriate under what you are pointing out, I don't think it would be in RDWs best interests to use it. He should just take whatever they serve up for him and bide his time. He literally has 230 million reasons to shut up right now.

I'd like to answer this one and I'm not trying to offend or argue with you. Watson should have stuck to his guns, no matter the cost to defend his innocence, as he claimed. This is when he lost any support I was trying to muster for him. Without more info on the explicit details of each occurrence from both RDW and the women, I don't think anyone can 100% conclusively decide he's guilty or innocent. But the number of women claiming the same type of situations done him in. His denial and lack of remorse looked good until he started making big payments, at that point his denial and lack of remorse morphed into the sinister lies of a predator. Psychopaths do not feel remorse and can not always tell what is right or wrong, socially acceptable, etc. HIS OWN ACTIONS painted him like that IMO. That's why I went full-on NOPE in regards to him. I say let him pay the price. I was ready to accept 6 games the way the judge explains it. I will accept whatever he gets here too. But in order to move forward, I feel he needed to pay a price and that he needed to be heavily scrutinized to insure it doesn't continue. Predators, true predators, will always do it again, or find the next level to escalate to. RDW will have an opportunity to return to the game and somewhat redeem his name if he can just stay within the guardrails from that point forward. But at this point, I don't think you could find many who would look at what we know and determine he's innocent from the jump, especially after that scathing report from the judge. He did what he did, he's paying the price, let it play out. But my advice to him would be to shut up and take whatever they give him, live with it, and come back and prove he can be a decent human. FWIW IMHO.

Glass half full: If Watson is suspended 12 games or more he doesn't accrue a full season.

Vers, if you really want an answer to your question - read on. Judge Robinson without a doubt left no stone unturned in confirming that Watson violated the PCP, lied repeatedly, was a predator, sexually abused those women according to NFL guidelines, shows zero remorse, and paid restitution (not to be confused with settlements). She also stated that the NFL without a doubt proved that Watson did these things without question.

Now Judge Robinson also said that Watson deserves a lengthy suspension but in trying to follow the vague guidelines and applying past practice she could only suspend Watson for 3 games but added 3 games due to aggravated circumstances. Now to your point, the NFL has not been making decisions on these type of violations as they probably should have. The public, team owners, NFLPA, NFL and players demanded the CBA be adjusted to correct these issues. Through contract negotiation, the NFLPA and the NFL came up with a program that was or is supposed to address that issue going forward. The key word here is going forward. In the first case to be decided by the new process is a case that is so egregious the NFL or NFLPA has never witnessed such a violation by a player. Judge Robinson's ruling was based on past practice when in actuality was the exact reason why she was placed in the position to prevent that from happening.

If the new CBA is going to work as negotiated by both sides, the NFL cannot allow Watson (the first case) to be treated as business as usual. You may not like it, but the fact still remains, the NFLPA and the NFL agreed to the process where either side has the ability to appeal the arbitrators ruling to which Goodell or his designee will make the final binding ruling on the case. If the NFLPA decides to sue in Federal Court about the final binding ruling, it most likely will be immediately thrown out because the NFLPA negotiated the process with the NFL. Think about it, what are they going to say - we don't like the contract we negotiated?

I've read your numerous posts complaining over and over again about owners not being penalized and/or players getting light suspensions. If the NFLPA agreed to the new process to address these types of mistakes in discipline, how in the hell can they be crying foul when a player that has been deemed a predator, one who lies constantly, sexually abused women (24 plus and counting) and shows no remorse to be handed the same type of discipline that they just went through negotiations to stop. In the latest poll, over 75% of respondents said Judge Robinson's suspension was inadequate.

Look, I get that your only focus is on the Browns getting to a Super Bowl. Maybe the Browns should have either did a better investigation into Watson since it appears he lied to them also or the Browns are as guilty as Watson because they are enabling him when they knew he was lying and have risked the good name of the franchise on a man that abused 24 plus women to win games.

I don't see how Watson beats any of this in court. The CBA pretty clearly spells out the process for appeals. No judge is going to basically veto a collectively bargained agreement. Like Milk Man has said this is on the union for agreeing to such a provision.

At this point Watson should just settle for the fewest games or least amount of money possible (whichever he cares about more) and move on.

Obviously this was a joke.

Both.

The Browns investigation was surface level. They literally could have just hired Jenny Vrentas and accomplished more than what they did. The Browns also didn't care what Watson did. They are betting that once passes start flying into the endzone people will forget/forgive Watson for anything he might have done/did.

LOL...The problem today is that Woke and Jokes are like oil and vinegar.

You can't tell jokes anymore.