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Lmao. Ok Miss Cleo tell me who alm I voted for in the last election. And all the other elections in my life. Also feel free to point out one time on these boards in 20 years that said i was for banning abortions in the case of rape/incest. Come on PS your credibility is on the line lol

Exactly. These are the people they placed in power doing exactly what they placed them in power to do. They need to own the deaths and tragedy that will follow. Ectopic pregnancies causing sepsis before MDs are willing to interject is only the tip of the iceberg.

This is their voting legacy come to power.

Well now if you and Portland want to play that game then lets go. Who's fault is it that the Dems never Codify Roe When They Had the Chance. Hmmmm It must be your and Portland fault. I mean hell you get what you voted for right? Why didn't you vote for people who would have done that??? Gee you made your bed now you have to lay in it. See how stupid that is?

BTW just why didn't the Dems Codify it? Here you go https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/why-democrats-didnt-codify-roe-when-they-had-the-chance/

bUt ThAT’s NoT WhAT I mEaNt!!!

Kansas voters uphold right to abortion

For the first time since the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, leaving it to states to determine abortion access, the issue appeared on a state ballot. In Kansas, CBS News projects that a proposed amendment to the state constitution that would eliminate the constitutional right to an abortion has been defeated.

The Kansas ballot initiative is seen as a bellwether for the impact of abortion on the midterm November elections.

Since the high court's ruling ending the federal right to an abortion, at least 12 states have either banned abortion outright or after six weeks of pregnancy. Other states are also expected to move forward with further restrictions.

In Kansas, voters reaffirmed abortion is constitutionally protected, leaving in place a 2019 decision by the state Supreme Court. That ruling stated that a person has the right to personal autonomy and applied strict scrutiny to regulating abortion. The Kansas legislature would not be able to ban or enact further restrictions on abortion without a constitutional amendment.

"Kansans stood up for fundamental rights today. We rejected divisive legislation that jeopardized our economic future & put women's health care access at risk," tweeted Kansas' Democratic Gov. Laura Kelly. "Together, we'll continue to make incredible strides to make KS the best state in the nation to live freely & do business."

President Biden issued a statement saying in part that, "This vote makes clear what we know: the majority of Americans agree that women should have access to abortion and should have the right to make their own health care decisions. Congress should listen to the will of the American people and restore the protections of Roe as federal law."

The "Value Them Both" Amendment made it onto the Aug. 2 primary ballot after being passed in the Republican-controlled state legislature with two-thirds of the vote in both chambers in 2021.

"While the outcome is not what we hoped, our movement and campaign have proven our resolve and commitment. We will not abandon women and babies," said the Value Them Both Coalition, which supported the amendment, in a statement. The group went on to call the outcome a "temporary setback."

While passage of the amendment would not have directly banned abortion in the state, legal experts said it would have paved the way for the state legislature, where Republicans hold a super majority, to ban abortion.

"Under the language of the amendment, it would be possible to adopt a total ban on abortion from the point of conception until birth, with no exceptions for rape, incest or the life or health of the mother," said Richard Levy, a professor of law at the University of Kansas.

Leading up to the primary, groups for and against the amendment were engaged in an aggressive campaign to reach voters, knocking on doors, phone banking and holding rallies. Nearly $13 million was spent on ads in the state on the issue of abortion ahead of the vote, according to AdImpact.

"This historic victory was the result of a groundswell of grassroots support and a broad coalition of reasonable, thoughtful Kansans across the state who put health care over politics," said Emily Wales, president and CEO of Planned Parenthood Great Plains Votes, of the amendment's defeat. "We have seen the devastation caused by a loss of access to abortion in neighboring states and tonight, Kansans saw through the deception of anti-abortion interests to ensure people in their state retained their rights."

Although this was an off-year primary, where turnout is generally very low — in past recent elections less than a third of voters turned out to cast their ballots — Kansas' early voting surged ahead of the Aug. 2 primary, suggesting voters were highly motivated by the issue of abortion.

Unofficial results Tuesday night from the Kansas Secretary of State's office showed more than 781,500 people voted on the amendment in the state. With 90% of the vote counted as of 11:45 p.m. Tuesday, "No" led with 60.4% to "Yes" at 39.6%

Overall, party officials and politicians are keeping a close eye on how the overturning of Roe v. Wade could galvanize voters ahead of the midterms. According to the CBS News Battleground Tracker, abortion is as an important an issue as the economy and inflation to women under 50. More than two-thirds of women under 50 describe the Republican party as "extreme." But Democrats appear to be disappointed with how their party is handling the issue of abortion. Fifty-nine percent said their party was not doing enough to protect access, whereas the majority of Republicans believe their party is taking the right approach on abortion.

Kansas is the first state in a handful in which voters will have their say on abortion rights in the midterms. Similar measures to the Kansas effort are on the ballots in Kentucky and Montana, while initiatives adding abortion protections to the state constitutions are on the ballots in California and Vermont. Efforts to amend the constitution to protect the right to an abortion in Michigan are also underway.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kansas-abortion-constitutional-amendment-vote-results/

If this can happen in a state as red as Kansas, the GOP is in trouble.

Two buttholes imo

Buttholes; buttholes, everywhere.

This is not going to turn out well for the pro-life/pro-birth extremists... Lots of crazy stuff is being proposed as law, and common sense people won't have any of it.

Contraception, life of mother, non-viable pregnancy, rape, incest and children of less than minimum age are position that a super-majority of Americans can agree on. There may be others, but that captures most of the scenarios.

It is really a dispute about time... and probably somewhere between 12 and 15 weeks. The outer limit of knowledge of a pregnancy is 9 weeks.

See Kansas results..

Just sickening.

It’s what the pro birthers voted for.
Now I hope these politicians all find themselves unemployed. I hope every sane person comes out in droves and buries the pro birth movement in a deep hole with no grave marker.

THE FBI CONFIRMS ITS BRETT KAVANAUGH INVESTIGATION WAS A TOTAL SHAM

Oh, well, it’s not like he received a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court or anything.

Supreme Court confirmation hearings aren’t usually burned into people’s minds, but there were a number of things that went down during Brett Kavanaugh‘s that will be difficult to ever forget. For one thing, the fact that he referenced his love of beer approximately 30 times, telling the lawmakers interviewing him for the job: “We drank beer. My friends and I. Boys and girls. Yes, we drank beer. I liked beer. Still like beer. We drank beer.” For another thing, the fact that his answer to the question “Was there ever a time when you drank so much that you couldn’t remember what happened or part of what happened the night before?” wasn’t a simple “No” or “Not since college,” but “Have you?” Then, of course, there was the weeping over calendars.

Still, the thing that probably struck people as the most memorable, because it was the most disturbing, was the fact that much of the proceedings centered around the credible accusations of sexual misconduct that had been lodged against the would-be justice, most notably by Christine Blasey Ford, who testified that Kavanaugh had sexually assaulted and tried to rape her when they were in high school. (Kavanaugh has denied this and all other allegations against him.)

Given these allegations—in addition to Kavanaugh’s temperament, which, to put it in terms he can understand, could be best described as “a hothead who just did a 10 Jägerbombs”—it struck many as outrageous for him to be given a lifetime appointment on the Supreme Court. That sense of outrage only deepened last year, when we learned that the FBI had received 4,500—4,500!—tips about Kavanaugh, which were referred to the White House, i.e. the organization trying to get the guy confirmed to the Court. And now, the FBI has confirmed that, yeah, it didn’t really feel the need to look into any of those tips, and when it did follow up on some, the White House was making sure it didn’t dig too far.

In a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on Thursday, Senator Sheldon Whitehouse had the following exchange with FBI director Christopher Wray (emphasis ours):


Regardless of whether or not it’s true that the FBI has a policy of taking direction “from the requesting entity,” it would seem that if an individual is up for a job in which he will have the power to affect millions of people’s lives, and has been accused of engaging in horrible acts, the most powerful investigative body in the country should take a more active role. Particularly when the “requesting entity” is the Donald Trump White House, which had a vested interest in not probing allegations of sexual misconduct, given who was running the joint.

Anyway, now Justice Beer Bong has helped take away the rights of half the country—and who knows what’s coming next!

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/08/brett-kavanaugh-fbi-investigation

Indiana passes near-total abortion ban, the first state to do so post-Roe

Indiana became the first state in the country after the fall of Roe v. Wade to pass sweeping limits on abortion access, after Gov. Eric Holcomb (R) signed into law Friday a bill that constitutes a near-total ban 0n the procedure.

The Republican-dominated state Senate approved the legislation 28-19 Friday in a vote that came just hours after it passed Indiana’s lower chamber. The bill, which will go into effect Sept. 15, only allows abortion in cases of rape, incest, lethal fetal abnormality or when the procedure is necessary to prevent severe health risks or death.

Supporters of abortion rights crowded into the corridors of the Indiana Statehouse throughout the day as lawmakers cast their votes, some holding signs that read “You can only ban safe abortions” and “Abortion is health care.”

In a statement released shortly after signing the bill, Holcomb said he had “stated clearly” following the fall of Roe that he would be willing to support antiabortion legislation. He also highlighted the “carefully negotiated” exceptions in the law, which he said address “some of the unthinkable circumstances a woman or unborn child might face.”

Before settling on the exceptions, Republican legislators disagreed on how far the law should go, with some GOP members siding with Democrats in demanding that abortion be legal in cases of rape and incest.

Abortion rights organizations quickly rebuked the law. Alexis McGill Johnson, president and CEO of Planned Parenthood Federation of America, said the vote “was cruel and will prove devastating for pregnant people and their families in Indiana and across the whole region.”

“Hoosiers didn’t want this,” Johnson said.

In a statement, antiabortion group Indiana Right to Life opposed the exceptions, and said the new law did not go far enough in cutting abortion access.

The push by Indiana Republicans to restrict abortion access stands in stark contrast with the overwhelming support for it by voters in Kansas, where an attempt to strip away abortion protections was voted down this week in another traditionally conservative state. That victory is likely to boost the Democratic Party’s hope that the Supreme Court’s decision to strike down Roe v. Wade will energize voters ahead of the midterm elections — and give Republicans reason to consider the potential fallout should they pursue more stringent abortion regulations.

Unlike many of its predominantly conservative neighboring states in the Midwest, Indiana did not have a “trigger law” on the books that would immediately prohibit abortion when Roe was overturned. Because the procedure had been legal in the state up to 22 weeks, Indiana became the destination for many seeking to terminate their pregnancies.

Cutting off this “critical access point” may force people to travel “hundreds of miles or carry pregnancies against their will,” the American Civil Liberties Union said.

Most recently, a 10-year-old girl rape victim had to travel to Indianapolis for an abortion after she was denied one in her home state of Ohio. The case prompted outrage among abortion rights proponents, was criticized by President Biden and drew international attention.

The OB/GYN who provided the care, Dr. Caitlin Bernard, has faced threats and harassment. Her legal team is looking into filing a defamation suit against Indiana’s attorney general, whose office is investigating how the abortion case was handled.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/08/05/indiana-abortion-ban-roe-holscomb/

Not exactly sure how this works, but if the WH is the requesting body, shouldn't they have the ability to see whats found? Of course... but do they have to disclose everything found? Apparently not!

If they found something wrong in the persons background, should they not disqualify the individual? I'd say yes if the deed was significant enough!

4500 tips suggests that something was really wrong with this guy....as president, I'd have pulled his nomination. but that's just me... Character matters..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...exate-mifepristone-rheumatoid-arthritis/


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and similarly with Accutane:

https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2022/07/11036046/accutane-prescription-risk-roe-wade

The return of thalidomide (type) babies is all part of God’s plan…forced on everyone by the pro-birthers. This is what they voted for…. birth defects, pain, suffering…. because every cell clump is precious.
Own it pro birthers.

And I promise, these pro birthers will be against any type of assistance for the families that find themselves in a financial bind because of this....

Well the WOMAN shouldn’t have spread HER legs. SHE made HER decision. Now SHE should live with it.

Meanwhile making it harder to get contraception

well women are gonna close their legs and conservatives are gonna shoot up more places because they closed their legs.

if only. Their women cutting them off 100% for a generation could fix a lot of woes.

no it won't. it will lead to a lot more innocent women being slaughtered. these dudes are hypocrites. they don't know what they want.

And this because it's just funny:

This message seems to go right over GOPer heads:




Kudos to whoever made this meme.

That doesn't make sense my friend. Why just conservatives?

Shhhh they are still busy pouting.

I am completely baffled by what I assume are old grown men and how pathetic you guys are, like for real astonished. You should be completely ashamed of yourselves.

Welcome to the board. FYI to address somebody in particular, hit that little reply button at the bottom of their post. If you just comment without it, it is directed at the OP. I'm the OP on this thread and don't think that was directed at me. If it was, please provide details so we can have a little chat about it.

You mean like children who get raped and have to travel hundreds of miles to get an abortion Mr. I Didn't Know They were Going To do that? When everyone knew they were going to do that. Oh yeah, I forgot. They'll just fix it later, right? No they won't.

Nope like all the murdered children of abortion would. If you and others had not supported that. Whats the difference? I support exemptions for rape,/insest you support killing babies in the womb.

I support it not being my decision to force my beliefs on others. That's the difference.

Thats 110 percent bullcrap. Do you believe murder is wrong?
Do you believe drinking and driving is wrong?
Do you believe murder is wrong?
Do you believe in supporting abortion?

Guess what Millions of other folks don't yet you claim your not forcing your beliefs on others I say BULLCRAP. Your just as bad as anybody else when it comes to forcing your beliefs on others. The difference is that you refuse to admit it. You support what ever you think is right, yet you bash others for doing the same. Not cool bro.

You wish to claim that the fact I have followed the very thing I believe, that abortion is wrong, in my own life, but not wish to force my beliefs on others is BS. While you claim forcing what you believe on others is fine. The difference is quite simple here. I certainly argue my beliefs. Yet I don't try to force it on anyone. You have every right to believe and feel the way you do. Just stop trying to deny that your vote also has unintended consequences that harm children and women everywhere. Because it most certainly does. You seem to act like your side is right and my side is wrong even though your side harms many women and children too. All I've asked you to do is step up to the plate and admit you helped make that happen.

IMO you admit abortion is wrong yet you support it with your votes. Sorry but I can't bend my beliefs to adhere to what others think. If it
's fair for you to support abortion, then why do you have problem with me not supporting it??? I don't think I have ever bashed anybody for standing up for their beliefs, unless they have started crap for me standing up for my beliefs. What is fair for the goose is fair for the gander bro. I say abortion is wrong and I state why I believe so. You bash folks for believing abortion is wrong and you stand up for that belief.

ALL the while you try to force your beliefs that abortion is OK. Take a long look in the mirror bro. I am proud that I stand on opposing abortion. Let me hear you say that your proud that you support abortion.
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I'm not sure what you missed in my post. What I'm saying is that as much as you support the overturning of Roe vs wade, it also had many consequences that hurt and harm children by forcing children who have been raped and victims of rape and incest to be punished for the very crimes committed against them. Many having to travel hundreds of miles to get this resolved. I know you disagree with that but it's a part of what everyone knew would happen if Roe vs wade was overturned. All I'm looking for is you to be honest enough to admit that what you voted for has negative consequences as well. Neither extreme is the right call. But you insist on claiming your side is right no matter the suffering that it inflicts on women and even children. You have stated you don't agree with it, but yet your vote helped it happen. That's all.

I'm proud I do not try to force my beliefs on others. There you go.