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That is too bad. He’s had some injury problems and this seem serious. Hoping he recovers quickly.


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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That sucks.

Always a major concern when dudes that large have knee problems.

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Oh he’s massive


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Bell hurt his foot, we need him to be healthy when season starts and hope his college production translates to the pros. Go Browns!!!


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Not Browns related but too good not to share.



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Did we sign JC Tretter yet?


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Originally Posted by DaveyD
Did we sign JC Tretter yet?
My thought too


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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me3.

Pay the man.
Eat grilled crow with a honey-mustard glaze.
Plug him in.

This one is mind-numbingly dumb.
It doesn't matter what number is taking snaps under center. You gotta have a center who can deliver those snaps, and protect within the system.

They should do this yesterday.

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I think the apologize part is the biggest hurdle


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted by Dawgs4Life
I think the apologize part is the biggest hurdle

Did I miss something? Did the Browns do something to Tretter that they need to apologize for?

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Originally Posted by Rishuz
Originally Posted by Dawgs4Life
I think the apologize part is the biggest hurdle

Did I miss something? Did the Browns do something to Tretter that they need to apologize for?
I think I’ve read that he felt slighted that he was cut (IIRC right?). Now, maybe our FO felt that he’d be signed pretty easily if he wanted to, but that hasn’t come to pass. Just reading the tea leaves on some of the social media stuff between players


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Thanks. I never heard that.

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We need Tretter. No apologies are needed. And it’s possible his knees won’t let him play anymore.


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Originally Posted by Dawgs4Life
I think the apologize part is the biggest hurdle

Yeah... I was editing even as you typed out your response.
It now reads "eat crow."

Bizniss decisions get done all the time; circumstances change. Tretter is prob more valuable to CLE now than when they did the calculus that prompted them to let him go. Supply/demand.

That's all I was really tryna say.


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No doubt about it. He’s of value to us more than other teams … plus he knows our personnel and system more than he would other places, so it might be the best place for him too.

Hoping for that outcome


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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JC is not here today due to the salary cap...a thing that either exists or doesn't exist depending on your frame of mind and/or the player/situation in question. He showed no signs last year during actual games that he was unable to continue. The FO chose to move on. Tampa needs a C now that their starter has gone down. If you were JC, where would you choose to go?

Do you remember 5-20 years ago? Cycling through guys like Brian Hoyer, Tyrod Taylor and Colt McCoy? We are back to being that team until DW can play again...if he's not rusted like an old pickup truck by then. We will fish for free agent players and they will choose elsewhere...we will sign a washed-up turd like Will Fuller and watch him collect money after attending the Dwayne Bowe "How to screw a desperate team" seminar. I'll stop there so as to not derail the thread.

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I think whenever DW plays he is going to be very good. It may take 3 or 4 games ? But I think he will be as good as when he played for HOU. If he doesn't play to that level and he regresses, you know it won't be his fault and it won't be a bad trade .... The blame will be laid at the feet of the big, bad NFL and Rodger.


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Originally Posted by mgh888
I think whenever DW plays he is going to be very good. It may take 3 or 4 games ? But I think he will be as good as when he played for HOU. If he doesn't play to that level and he regresses, you know it won't be his fault and it won't be a bad trade .... The blame will be laid at the feet of the big, bad NFL and Rodger.

Before we start loading the chamber for the latest QB argument that hasn't even happened, let's wait and see how he does. IMO, if that does happen I think KS will be the one in peoples' crosshairs.

That said, Watson's on-field body of work is such that it won't be overwritten by his first couple games here.


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Originally Posted by DaveyD
Did we sign JC Tretter yet?

How about now?


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Our center position is pretty dire


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Rookie 7th round pick Dawson Deaton is out for the season with a torn acl.


Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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Browns 7th round center Dawson Deaton out for the season with a torn ACL
Updated: Aug. 15, 2022, 10:38 p.m.|Published: Aug. 15, 2022, 10:30 p.m.

By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com


CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Three days after Browns starting center Nick Harris was likely lost for the season to a right knee injury, rookie center Dawson Deaton was carted off the Browns practice field with a season-ending torn ACL.

Day 13 of training camp proved to be an unlucky day for Deaton, who had moved up to backup center behind Ethan Pocic when Harris went down on the second play of Friday night’s 24-13 victory over the Jaguars in the first preseason game.




Deaton is the fourth Browns offensive player to be lost for the season this camp, including two that were possibly headed for the practice squad in Deaton and undrafted rookie receiver Isaiah Weston (torn ACL and torn meniscus). The other was Pro Bowl returner Jakeem Grant, who suffered a season-ending ruptured Achilles tendon last week.




With Deaton carted off early on in practice, backup guards Hjalte Froholdt and Michael Dunn took some snaps at center. As for replacing Harris, the Browns are confident in Ethan Pocic and have no current plans to bring back JC Tretter, who’s still a free agent.

The Browns will undoubtedly keep their eyes open for offensive line depth in the coming roster cuts.

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/20...-out-for-the-season-with-a-torn-acl.html

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Originally Posted by THROW LONG
Rookie 7th round pick Dawson Deaton is out for the season with a torn acl.

Wow...two centers, drafted by the Browns didn't last very long once the contact started.

It seems that the Browns analytics driven draft team might have a misconception about the qualities needed to play the center position...

Someone like J.C. Tretter might be a good choice...ya think ?





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Originally Posted by mac
....Wow...two centers, drafted by the Browns didn't last very long once the contact started.

It seems that the Browns analytics driven draft team might have a misconception about the qualities needed to play the center position...


Are you seriously blaming analytics for those injuries?


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Originally Posted by jfanent
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....Wow...two centers, drafted by the Browns didn't last very long once the contact started.

It seems that the Browns analytics driven draft team might have a misconception about the qualities needed to play the center position...


Are you seriously blaming analytics for those injuries?

Apparently, he is... I don't get it.


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Originally Posted by mac
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Rookie 7th round pick Dawson Deaton is out for the season with a torn acl.

Wow...two centers, drafted by the Browns didn't last very long once the contact started.

It seems that the Browns analytics driven draft team might have a misconception about the qualities needed to play the center position...

Someone like J.C. Tretter might be a good choice...ya think ?


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Originally Posted by mac
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Rookie 7th round pick Dawson Deaton is out for the season with a torn acl.

Wow...two centers, drafted by the Browns didn't last very long once the contact started.

It seems that the Browns analytics driven draft team might have a misconception about the qualities needed to play the center position...

Someone like J.C. Tretter might be a good choice...ya think ?


Berry and Depo where the dudes that brought in Tretter in the first place... Was that just some rift in the analytics universe?

Maybe they see the writing on the wall and know the algorithms are about to injure him as well?


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Originally Posted by jfanent
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....Wow...two centers, drafted by the Browns didn't last very long once the contact started.

It seems that the Browns analytics driven draft team might have a misconception about the qualities needed to play the center position...


Are you seriously blaming analytics for those injuries?

Maybe, but it seems more like an implication we should carry 4-5 centers on the roster. Either explanation doesn't seem to be well thought out.

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Originally Posted by jfanent
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....Wow...two centers, drafted by the Browns didn't last very long once the contact started.

It seems that the Browns analytics driven draft team might have a misconception about the qualities needed to play the center position...


Are you seriously blaming analytics for those injuries?


jfan...you trying to say that when the analytics inclined front office judges Center talent, that they don't have certain standards that they emphasize over other standards?

For example: when judging centers, do the analytics inclined Browns emphasize speed and quickness over strength?

Are the Browns more willing to take a chance, drafting a center in the later rounds vs spending a high draft slot such as 2nd round to draft a center?




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Let's get 1 thing out of the way first.... You answered a clear and direct question with 3 irrelevant questions. But since you did not respond with a simple 'No', I guess the implication is that you do blame analytics for a freak injury... which is completely absurd.

The blocking scheme calls for faster and smarter linemen vs stronger plodders. When Nick Harris was drafted, it was because his traits were a perfect fit for the offense, and we had Tretter to allow Harris to develop.

Maybe you should point your ire towards the strength and conditioning folks on the Browns. Nick supposedly did a ton of work over the off-season to change his body and get ready for the season. While I don't think they should be blamed either, the argument at least makes sense that that contributed to his injury vs anything the analytics folks did or didn't do.


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The blocking scheme calls for faster and smarter linemen vs stronger plodders. When Nick Harris was drafted, it was because his traits were a perfect fit for the offense, and we had Tretter to allow Harris to develop.

oobs...so, in your opinion, Nick Harris, an undersized center at 6-1-293# was the perfect Center for the Browns and JC Tretter, "a strong plodder"
was not the type of Center the Browns analytics driven draft team would want playing center in 2022..?

OOBS...tell us, how did that work out for our "analytics driven draft team"..?

I believe the Browns draft team used their analytics driven criteria to draft their choice to take over from Tretter, when they selected Harris in the 2020 draft..?

JMO, but I believe the Browns analytics driven draft team might search for some help when it comes to judging OLine talent.




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....Wow...two centers, drafted by the Browns didn't last very long once the contact started.

It seems that the Browns analytics driven draft team might have a misconception about the qualities needed to play the center position...


Are you seriously blaming analytics for those injuries?


jfan...you trying to say that when the analytics inclined front office judges Center talent, that they don't have certain standards that they emphasize over other standards?

For example: when judging centers, do the analytics inclined Browns emphasize speed and quickness over strength?

Are the Browns more willing to take a chance, drafting a center in the later rounds vs spending a high draft slot such as 2nd round to draft a center?

You could have just said yes, but I see you trebled down on your usual "answer a question with a question" malarkey.


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Tretter is an all-around excellent olineman. IIRC, he fits in just about any scheme. He was signed in 2017 by Sashi, in case you forgot. He's also still a FA in a league that has more than 1 team seemingly in need of help at center (again, in case you forgot).

Tretter is older and expensive. Harris is younger and cheaper, and by all account was ready to take over until an unfortunate injury. While Tretter always gutted out games, dude basically couldn't practice for like 2 full seasons. If you can't/won't understand how younger guys taking over for older guys is a normal thing in the NFL, then that's on you.


And back to my first point... why are all of your responses in the form of a question? It gives the impression that you yourself are not sure of or don't believe what you're saying.


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JC Tretter, "a strong plodder" was not the type of Center the Browns analytics driven draft team would want playing center in 2022..?

Tretter is not a "strong plodder." He's always been known for his athleticism and good feet. Here is one comment about him coming out of college and I provided a couple of links:


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Tretter is an athletic offensive lineman, who will likely have to move to the inside at the next level. He plays the game with good balance and coordination. However there will be questions about his length, strength, and the competition he played. Tretter looks to be a nice long-term upside type.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jc-tretter/32005452-4576-8289-e848-de32c15c2d32

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1615370-jc-tretter-scouting-report-nfl-outlook-for-cornell-og

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I think you are on to something. He's been doing that for years.


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You could have just said yes, but I see you trebled down on your usual "answer a question with a question" malarkey.

jfan...I see, you can ask questions, but I can't...how bout that..!

Every front office has a set of standards that they rely on to base their judgement of draft talent. If a franchise's draft team has too many "misses", it can really set a franchise back. The Browns just invested 2 yrs of training and development on a player who might not have have the basic physical tools to play the position that the Browns drafted him for...center.

An undersized center who is capable of turning in one of the fastest 40 times is rather meaningless, imo. .....more later!




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jfan...I see, you can ask questions, but I can't...how bout that..!


Come on, Man! You've been using the "answer a question with a question" schtick for years and years. And you rarely if ever answer those asked of you.


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