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When things are good around him Baker is good. It’s just when he feels pressure or has to elevate those around him is when he struggles.

j/c:



Say it ain't so!

Translation: If Brissett starts out losing the first two, Dobbs will start game 3. I sense a QB carrousel coming for 11 games unless we come out firing on all cylinders. This will be fun to watch.

The most important takeaway is that we should just start referring to our Backup QB as "Josh" so we can't be wrong.

Back to our wheelhouse! That’s Browns football from 99-17 haha. In reality I think we’ll roll with Brissett unless we trade for Jimmy G

Wait! You really believe what he is saying? You are usually way more rational than that.

Didn't realize you were in the CLT market. You won't have to rely on social media to get the pulse of things. I know a lot of Panther fans as the company I work for is based in Raleigh, so I hear a lot of chatter.

I agree that the Panthers roster is towards the bottom of the league, and they are in a weak division. But in my opinion Tampa owns that division, I do not see anyone else winning it this year. Which means for Carolina the path to the playoffs will be as a wild card, in which case they are competing with a lot of teams not in their division. I get that 4 games are against NO and ATL, but that is out of 17.

So you think Brissett will be good and I'm not convinced of that yet. This smallest of differences somehow makes me irrational as well as anyone who even partially acknowledges the possibility that what I said is plausible? This is why everybody attacks you.

I think New Orleans will be much improved this year - Michael Thomas, Olave and Landry is a pretty damn good WR core when healthy. Seems Kamara will skate on any penalty till next year. But likewise for BM - DJ Moore is probably better than any WR he's ever thrown to. After that it's a bit 'meh' but having that one guy is going to be a big deal and **if** McCaffery stays healthy, that would also be a huge. I don't think I've watched a Panthers game since the Super Bowl - but I may watch a couple games this year.

New Orleans all predicates on Winston’s ability to limit turnovers IMO

That may not be the translation, but I could see something like that happening. I think there is some pressure on the team to come out of the first 11 games a game up on the record. At least I would guess that behind closed doors that is the minimum goal.

Even when Watson returns I find it hard to think he will be firing on all cylinders. I can already see the vultures circling, waiting for that day. Unless Watson comes out and throws 3TDs and 350 yards they will be picking flesh. Heck, that might not be enough.

I am not saying this in a hostile way, but I will bet a good amount of money that Brissett will not be benched after game 2 if the current qb room remains the same. No way in the world do I see that happening.

If you were talking directly to me, I don't ever take your comments in a hostile way.

My comments may have been overtated. I could see it, but I don't really expect to see that, nor hope for that. That would create a whole new bag of snakes. It would have to be more than just a loss. It would have to be pretty ugly as well.

I just wanted to make sure because I responded to D4 about OCD's claim earlier on. I wasn't saying that I thought "Brissett was good." I was saying that it would be absolutely asinine to bench Brissett for Dobbs or Rosen after just two games. No freaking way!!! Despite what some posters are trying to sell us, you and I both know that our FO and coaching staff are not imbeciles.

Hey tab, I hope you are feeling okay. A question: who is making excuses for Watson? Can you explain what the excuses are so I can address your comment? Thanks.

100% Tab.... despite the fake ignorance being feigned. Hope you are doing okay - you are getting lots of good karma from everyone on this board.

From reports, he had penalties and was beaten soundly and then was benched

We will need our D who will set the bar for our record this year. I expect brutal.

Hope you are doing well, Eo. Sending good stuff your way this board is! Hope today is great & tomorrow is better. Brighter tomorrows, Eo.

JMHO- the D is vital, but O has to do their share. Cooper's double move was sweet to TD....more to come hopefully. Go Browns!!!

If KS wouldn't bench Baker for Keenum last year, there's no way he's benching JB for Dobbs or Rosen. KS will be tested in that he will need to actually adapt to the strengths of his O (getting the ball into the hands of his RBs and TEs and creative plays for the speedsters vs chucking the ball around).

I don't know what the CLT market is. Internet doesn't have much for CLT market, or CLT metro either if you +Carolina.
I know about Raleigh, Raleigh-Durham, Columbia, even Charlotte, but can't think of any L and T cities to pair with Charlotte.

If Jed Wills got benched, who did they bench him for? And How bad was the inserted player?
And who was Wills up against when the bad day happened? Was it a group, was it/were it the youngsters? Was it one or two of the Vets?
Was it a constant re-shuffling/disguising of some unknown cover player coming on a blitz? Were they the linebackers?

( I know it freakin means Charlotte... I just think it's a weird/stupid way to abbreviate it, and, wasn't sure if it was a nickname for a more/different ... gen-er-al area instead of just the particular town of Charlotte, a nickname only known to Locals. Google says the CLT market is either farmers markets, or the state of the real estate market. And it's too close to another word, (( clutch of course))

Did they Bring back Sheldon Day yet?

I think Stefanski already proved that in his first year here. He saw what Baker's issues were and developed a scheme that played to his strengths and limited the number of times where his weaknesses would be exposed. Baker did pretty good w/the most time to throw in the league, a dynamic run game, box stacked to stop the run, play action passing, and boots. However, teams adjust over time and the big thing Ds did last year was take away the boots and make Baker beat them from the pocket.

I think Stefanski's scheme for Brissett will be fine. Of course, it will be limited because JB has his issues and limitations, too. Next year will be fun when we have a top-tier qb operating in a very good Stefanski schemed offense.

Throw, when the idea of bringing NFL football to the Carolinas was first introduced, the team was supposed to be shared by Charlotte and Columbia, SC. They are about 1 hr. 15 min to 1 hr 30 min. apart.

The people of Columbia were miffed when the stadium was built in Charlotte. Also, Columbia is home to the University of South Carolina and the folks down here love their Gamecocks. There are plenty of Panther fans here, but the city as a whole are much more interested in collegiate sports than pro sports.

Newsflash for some of you. Jedrick Willis isn't even the best
LT in the AFC North. Moving him to the opposite side is proving
To be a mistake by this organization.
On top of all he doesn't play up his natural strength
Looks like Tarzan plays like Jane. That's him.he just lacks
That primal drive to finish off what's lined up in front
Of him. I know his fan club doesn't want to hear it but
Accurate

Can Brissett find open receivers? If he can we should be fine.

Does Wills have a fan club?

Sorry Vers, that was in response to stripper.

And that statement I made was less prediction and more expecting things to go horribly wrong for the Browns AS USUAL. After all, the Browns are the Browns.

I haven't watched enough of JB to speak w/any authority. It appears that he is good in short stretches, for example 2-4 games. However, problems occur over the long term. I think we could have been okay w/a 4 game suspension. Had a chance if Judge Robinson's decision honored. But, I don't feel real good about 11 games. Again, not speaking w/authority. I haven't watched enough of him to be certain.

LOL

So if we suck ass this year, everybody gets a pass, right? That's kind of what I take from your post. So far I've seen in various posts that KS, JB, DW, and basically the offense as a unit seem to be getting a year to figure it all out since DW is suspended. Yet when I said I thought this would be a wasted year, I got criticized.

Okay, that makes much more sense.

But I do think, especially if Dobbs keeps showing out in preseason games, that a struggling Bissett would make for a quick QB controversy. What I don't see is them sticking with him long without some wins. Ks isn't about to accept this will be an under .500 season without DW for 11 games. Browns will Browns and panic if JB struggles more than a game or three, IMHO.

Quick thought
If the Browns have to lean more on the running game
In the 1st 11 to 13 games, wouldn't Njoku have to stay lined
Up tight in order to block. ?
I'm sure he is improved as a run blocker but he wasn't
Given all that $$$$ cause of his ability to be a force in the run schemes

If we wouldn't lean heavier on the run game with an injured and underperforming QB last year, what on Earth is making anyone think that we'll magically change and do it this year?

But yet you've watched enough to tell us all he won't turn the ball over, and won't take sacks?

Here's a little insight: If you can be good in 1 or 2 games, you can be good in all of them.

It does seem like you are already making excuses for the guy you said was better (between brisset and baker) - brisset, the career backup.

Other than a need to be argumentative, I have no idea how you came to that conclusion after reading my post. Yet, you say nothing when we got steve, arch, Beast and others are calling for everyone to be fired before we even have played a down this year.