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Posted By: MemphisBrownie NFL Camp News - 08/16/22 05:56 PM


Thought this was bigger news but confused him with Tyler Huntley.
Posted By: Pdawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/16/22 06:00 PM
Easy to do. I thought the same thing
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: NFL Camp News - 08/16/22 06:13 PM
Surprised he was even on a roster.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/16/22 07:56 PM
Me too.
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: NFL Camp News - 08/16/22 10:37 PM
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/16/22 10:39 PM
Robinson is not awful.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: NFL Camp News - 08/17/22 02:41 AM
Robinson is probably a back of the roster option
Posted By: Pdawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/17/22 06:59 PM
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: NFL Camp News - 08/17/22 07:10 PM
Originally Posted by Pdawg

Interesting name. Probably played like crap.
Posted By: Hammer Re: NFL Camp News - 08/17/22 07:12 PM
was pretty good with Pats as I recall.
Posted By: cfrs15 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/17/22 07:18 PM
Originally Posted by MemphisBrownie
Originally Posted by Pdawg

Interesting name. Probably played like crap.

If the front office wanted to upgrade the interior line they would have done it by now.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/17/22 07:19 PM
Originally Posted by MemphisBrownie
Originally Posted by Pdawg

Interesting name. Probably played like crap.

PFF numbers:

Run D: 36.7
Pass R: 56.5
Overall: 43.2

Those are horrific grades. Probably at the very bottom of the league.

Just checked: Tied for 99th out of 108. Jordan Elliot was 101st.
Posted By: steve0255 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/17/22 08:16 PM
Woo hoo, he'd be an upgrade at the position. The Browns are hurting really bad at DT. I know they may get someone else's cut in the next couple of weeks, but I don't believe the Browns can enter the season with a starting DT in Elliott that graded out at 101st PFF last year. To put that in perspective, there are 32 teams with at maximum 2 starting DT's. That means at tops there are 64 starting DT's out there and most likely less due to the number of teams playing 3-4. That means Elliott has to improve 37 PFF spots to be the worst rated starting DT in the league.

I'm not so sure the Browns can make it to a top 5 defense with the DT's they have right now. Clearly the weakest spot on the team.
Posted By: Homewood Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/17/22 08:33 PM
Without DW playing we are a last place team in our division. DW would help make our WR's better than they are. Also, unless we pick up a DT or 2 from other teams' cuts, we are a little thin there. WE do have a lot of talent but the couple of weaknesses we have will definitely hurt us. JMO
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: NFL Camp News - 08/17/22 08:49 PM
Those numbers for a vet and former 1st rounder (and only 5 years ago) are so bad lol
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/17/22 11:28 PM
j/c:
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Early Predictions for Most Surprising NFL Veteran Cuts of 2022 Offseason
MAURICE MOTON
MAY 25, 2022



As roster battles heat up with organized team activities underway across the NFL, veterans will start to sweat as they face in-house competition for starting jobs and roster spots.

A majority of teams have close to 90 players on the roster, but as we know, clubs must narrow it down to 53 before the regular season. Among the cuts, we'll probably see some surprises that put quality veterans on the open market.

Front offices make shocking cuts for a variety of reasons, though there are often financial implications involved. If a cheaper backup can provide 75 percent of what a starter produces on a bloated salary, teams will release the latter and take the cap savings on a costly contract, especially if those savings are substantial.

In some situations, clubs may shop a player and strike out on finding a trade partner or a reasonable offer. In others, a coaching staff may believe it's time to move on from an underperforming veteran who's taking snaps from a younger player with upside.

With those scenarios in mind, we'll predict this offseason's most surprising cuts. We didn't include foreseeable moves such as the San Francisco 49ers releasing Dee Ford after general manager John Lynch voiced his doubts about the edge-rusher's future with the team.

Let's take a look at eight cuts that seem less predictable but still realistic.





Nelson Agholor, WR, New England Patriots
1 OF 8


After a career-turning 2020 season with the Las Vegas Raiders in which he hauled in 48 passes for 896 yards and eight touchdowns, Nelson Agholor signed a two-year, $22 million contract with the New England Patriots. He didn't make a strong impact in his first term with the AFC East club, registering 37 receptions for 473 yards and three scores.

With the addition of wideout DeVante Parker, whom New England acquired from the Miami Dolphins, and rookie seconder Tyquan Thornton, the Patriots may have written enough on the wall to signal Agholor's departure in the coming weeks.

However, some people may see this move as a surprise because the Patriots will hold $10 million in dead money if they release Agholor, per Over the Cap. He's more likely to restructure his deal or become the subject of a trade.

Nevertheless, New England may opt to cut Agholor and save approximately $4.9 million if team brass cannot find a trade partner for him. He may also push back against a pay cut.

If Agholor hits the open market, he could resurface with the receiver-needy Chicago Bears, who need a No. 2 option to complement Darnell Mooney.


Michael Brockers, DT, Detroit Lions
2 OF 8


As a team in the second year of a rebuild, the Detroit Lions may want to hold on to Michael Brockers because of his leadership qualities. Though he didn't serve as a team captain in his first year with the club, the veteran defensive lineman held that honor during his tenure with the Los Angeles Rams.

With that said, Brockers will head into his age-32 term. Additionally, he didn't make a big splash in Detroit after the Lions acquired him from the Rams last offseason. As a starter in 16 contests, Brockers recorded 52 tackles, four for loss, a sack and five pressures. The Lions have younger, versatile defensive linemen who can fill Brockers' role and potentially replicate or exceed those stats in their new even-man front.

In the second round of the 2022 draft, the Lions selected Josh Paschal, who, at 6'3", 268 pounds, can line up on the inside or rush from the edge. He'll likely have a chance to play a decent number of snaps in the upcoming season. After two injury-plagued campaigns, Austin Bryant made notable contributions in 2021, recording 31 tackles, five for loss, 4.5 sacks and 10 pressures.

The Lions can cut Brockers and allow their young defensive linemen to soak up meaningful snaps. If Brockers hits the market, he would make a good fit with the Los Angeles Chargers, who have made an attempt to patch up their porous, 30th-ranked run defense from the 2021 campaign by signing Sebastian Joseph-Day and Austin Johnson.

As Brockers has done with the Rams and Lions, he would play in an odd-man front in a rotational role.



Anthony Brown, CB, Dallas Cowboys
3 OF 8


The Dallas Cowboys may have to make a tough cut within their cornerback unit if they allow 2021 second-rounder Kelvin Joseph a shot at a starting role.

As a passenger in a vehicle connected to a homicide, Joseph has to go through a legal process, and the league could suspend him based on what it finds in an investigation. Head coach Mike McCarthy didn't have an update on the matter.

In the meantime, Joseph will likely have a chance to carve out a starting role because of his draft pedigree. If he impresses the coaching staff, the Cowboys could move on from Anthony Brown, who played a majority of the snaps out wide in 2021.

Last season, Brown had his most productive pro campaign, logging career highs in pass breakups (17) and interceptions (three) while allowing a 53.3 percent completion rate in coverage. With that said, the Cowboys can release him, save $5 million in cap space and go with a younger defender who has more upside.

The Cowboys signed primary slot cornerback Jourdan Lewis to an extension (2021) more recently than Brown (2020), so the latter could be the odd man out if they make a cut at the position.

Coming off a strong 2021 season, Brown should have multiple suitors. He could start Week 1 for the Seattle Seahawks over unproven cornerback Tre Brown or become an insurance policy for Sidney Jones IV, who has missed 34 games through five seasons.


Denzelle Good, OG, Las Vegas Raiders
4 OF 8


Denzelle Good opened the 2021 season as the starting right guard, but he tore his ACL in the first game. Even though the veteran lineman is coming off a serious knee injury at 31 years old, The Athletic's Las Vegas Raiders beat reporters, Vic Tafur and Tashan Reed, penciled him into a starting spot at guard in their early depth chart projections.

While that's possible with the uncertainty along Vegas' offensive line, the Raiders may also release him, save about $3.7 million in cap space (post-June 1) and add that on to the $19.8 million they'll receive from designating Cory Littleton and Carl Nassib as post-June 1 cuts.

The front office can use those financial resources to make a couple of notable free-agent signings late in the spring or during the summer to shore up an unsettled offensive line.

Good can hold onto his starting spot or serve in a backup role at three positions (left guard, right guard or right tackle) behind John Simpson, rookie third-rounder Dylan Parham or Alex Leatherwood, but he's not a roster lock at this stage in his career.

If the Raiders cut Good, he can sign with the Indianapolis Colts for a second stint and start at right guard. The AFC South club needs an immediate plug-and-play replacement for Mark Glowinski, who signed with the New York Giants.


Robert Quinn, Edge, Chicago Bears
5 OF 8


Robert Quinn might be unhappy with the direction of the Chicago Bears as the team goes into a rebuild period under a new regime.

According to CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora, Quinn "wants out" of the Windy City.

"I continue to hear that Quinn wants out of Chicago—and who could blame him?—and there are a host of interested teams," La Canfora wrote. "Bears brass has told everyone he ain't going anywhere, but they will keep asking and that's not lost on the veteran defensive end."

Coming off a Pro Bowl campaign with 18.5 sacks, 34 pressures and 17 tackles for loss, Quinn would hit the free-agent market as arguably the biggest prize among the unexpected cuts. As La Canfora noted, the 32-year-old pass-rusher has garnered interest from multiple suitors, so Bears should be able to deal him in exchange for at least a middle-round pick.

Nevertheless, if Chicago doesn't entertain offers and plays hardball with teams in trade talks, Quinn may try to force his way out for a chance to pick his next destination. If he goes public about his reported desire to suit up elsewhere, the veteran pass-rusher could hurt his trade value as teams may wait to see if the Bears release him to avoid a messy situation.

If available on the open market, Quinn should consider a second stint with the Miami Dolphins, who could use a high-end veteran edge-rusher opposite second-year pass-rusher Jaelan Phillips.


Sheldon Rankins, DT, New York Jets
6 OF 8


Sheldon Rankins had a decent 2021 season with the New York Jets, recording 32 tackles, five for loss, three sacks and 11 pressures while on the field for 57 percent of the defensive snaps.

However, Rankins may become a cap casualty because of the influx of talent along the Jets' defensive line. Between free agency and the 2022 draft, Gang Green added Jermaine Johnson II (rookie first-rounder), Micheal Clemons (rookie fourth-rounder), Jacob Martin and Vinny Curry. Don't forget that Carl Lawson will return to action after he missed the 2021 season with a ruptured Achilles.

The Jets can employ John Franklin-Myers and Curry as interior pass-rushers in sub-packages to create opportunities for a deep group of edge-rushers, which would put a squeeze on Rankins' snaps at defensive tackle.

The Jets can cut Rankins, save $5.4 million in cap space and still field a strong pass rush, which makes his release a plausible move.

At 28 years old, Rankins can play more than half of the defensive snaps in a starting role and could fill a void in the Cleveland Browns' front line. They haven't re-signed defensive tackles Malik Jackson and Malik McDowell, who faces charges of aggravated battery on a police officer, resisting arrest, and exposing sex organs in public, per TMZ Sports.

With Myles Garrett and Jadeveon Clowney on the edge, Rankins can see some open pass-rushing lanes on the interior.



Darius Slayton, WR, New York Giants
7 OF 8


The New York Giants should try to keep all their pass-catchers as Daniel Jones tries to show he's a starting-caliber quarterback.

Even though the Giants selected wideout Wan'Dale Robinson in the second round of the 2022 draft, they'll need depth at the position because of the recent injury history within the group. Kenny Golladay and Sterling Shepard have both missed 14 games since 2020. Last season, Kadarius Toney missed seven outings, and he recently underwent a "minor arthroscopic knee procedure", per Pat Leonard of the New York Daily News.

Darius Slayton sat out four games last season, though he's played in 43 of 49 games in his three-year career. Initially, the 2019 fifth-rounder looked like a draft-day steal, racking up 98 receptions for 1,491 yards and 11 touchdowns between 2019 and 2020.

In 2021, Slayton hauled in just 26 passes for 339 yards and two touchdowns. According to The Athletic's Dan Duggan, the Giants shopped him on the trade block.

With a good start to his career, Slayton will likely remain with the Giants or draw enough interest for a transaction. However, clubs may take a conservative approach in trade discussions because he's in the final year of his contract and they might be willing to wait for him to hit free agency next offseason.

If New York lets Slayton go, the Baltimore Ravens should make an aggressive offer for him.

Averaging 15.2 yards per catch through his first two seasons, Slayton can make big plays for the Ravens as a field-stretching replacement for Marquise Brown, whom Baltimore traded to the Arizona Cardinals.


Logan Thomas, TE, Washington Commanders
8 OF 8


Though Logan Thomas turns 31 years old in July, he could be a reliable pass-catcher for incoming quarterback Carson Wentz. In 2020, the veteran tight end hauled 72 passes for 670 yards and six touchdowns.

Last season, Thomas missed 11 contests but still caught three touchdown passes—all within 11 yards of the goal line.

Even though John Bates caught 20 passes for 249 yards and a touchdown through his 2021 rookie term, he's still unproven in a full-time starting position. The Washington Commanders should wait to see a little more from the second-year tight end before they feature him in a bigger role.

If the Commanders release Thomas, they would hold about $4 million in dead money and save approximately $2.2 million (post-June 1), which isn't much of a financial gain. Also, keep in mind that the club just signed him to a three-year, $24.1 million extension last offseason.

However, Bates and rookie fifth-rounder Cole Turner may show enough through the preseason to make Thomas expendable at his age.

If that scenario plays out, the Minnesota Vikings can take a look at Thomas as a No. 2 tight end after they lost Tyler Conklin in free agency. He could serve as an insurance policy for Irv Smith Jr., who missed the entire 2021 campaign after undergoing surgery on a torn meniscus.

Player contract details courtesy of Over the Cap.

Maurice Moton covers the NFL for Bleacher Report. You can follow him on Twitter @MoeMoton.


https://bleacherreport.com/articles...ising-nfl-veteran-cuts-of-2022-offseason
Posted By: Pdawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/17/22 11:53 PM
How much did Rankins play last year? His stats seem pretty low for high usage. His PFF grade was a 43 overall.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/18/22 12:04 AM
I don't know how much he played, but that is a terrible PFF grade.
Posted By: Pdawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/18/22 01:56 AM
Little more info on Rankins

. Sheldon Rankins (16.9 RDS)

Run defense snaps played: 230
Overall RDS rank: 557th of 592 (Percentile: 6th)
Interior Defensive Line RDS rank: 135th of 145 (Percentile: 7th)
PFF run defense grade: 34.4 (134th) – IDL Percentile: 7.64
Missed tackle rate: 16.7% (120th) – IDL Percentile: 17.36
Run-stop rate: 5.2% (108th) – IDL Percentile: 25.69

The run game was always Sheldon Rankins‘ weaker phase prior to joining the Jets, but he was never this bad of a run defender in New Orleans.

Rankins picked up 12 run stops over 230 snaps for a 5.2% run-stop rate. The league average at his position was 6.9% this year. Since 6.9% of 230 is 15.9, Rankins finished with about four fewer run stops than the league average IDL would be expected to get over his volume of snaps.

Rankins also missed four tackles compared to 20 total tackles, a 16.7% miss rate. That’s nearly double the league average for IDL, which was 8.8%.


PFF scored Rankins with a run-defense grade of 34.4, ranking 134th out of the 145 qualifiers in this batch and 73rd out of 74 IDL who played at least 200 snaps against the run. That grade is likely due to his issues with filling his gaps and holding his ground. Rankins was moved fairly easily by opposing linemen when you flip on his 2021 film, allowing a lot of running lanes to open up.

https://jetsxfactor.com/2022/02/23/ny-jets-run-defense-culprits/
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: NFL Camp News - 08/18/22 09:38 AM
Weren’t we in the mix to sign or acquire Rankins at some point? If so, it’s a good thing we didn’t lol
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/18/22 11:37 AM
Yeah, and let's scratch Rankins off the list.
Posted By: steve0255 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/18/22 11:49 AM
Chris Simms Confirms Troubling Jimmy Garoppolo Report
Hunter Hodies - Yesterday 1:33 PM

There's been a concerning report floating around about San Francisco 49ers quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo the last couple of days.

According to Mike Silver of The San Francisco Chronicle, Garoppolo would "disappear" in most offseason's and not return until the offseason programs. That included the 2018 offseason after Garoppolo signed a five-year $137.5 million extension.

NBC's Chris Simms confirmed that report when he was chatting with ProFootballTalk's Mike Florio.

"I know so many people out there in San Francisco that said Kyle couldn't keep track of it," Simms said. "I've heard this from players, ex-coaches there. He goes off the radar all the time. Nobody can get in contact with him."

This could scare interested teams away as Garoppolo is still on the trade market with only a few weeks to go until the regular season starts.

He's not expected to play this season after Trey Lance was announced as the starter before training camp got underway.
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: NFL Camp News - 08/18/22 01:22 PM
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Garoppolo would "disappear" in most offseason's and not return until the offseason programs.

Oh, the horror!!

Referencing Mike Silver and Chris Simms is too much 'stupid' in one article.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: NFL Camp News - 08/18/22 05:18 PM
Yeah, I mean it was the off season. A players actual time off. That's a non issue.
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: NFL Camp News - 08/18/22 05:39 PM
but, if our QB does it, then they're not committed to putting in the work and they're more concerned about things other than football.

It's either a legit condemnation of work ethic or it isn't.... and, let's face it, Jimmy G isn't so good that he doesn't need the work.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: NFL Camp News - 08/18/22 05:45 PM
That however would be reading a lot into things. There are no team activities or organized workouts during the off season. So what actual "work" is there to be done? If an experienced NFL QB has last seasons game film and the playbook, how much more can NFL teams actually do in terms of working with players during the off season? It seems most everything you might expect him to be doing can be contained in his laptop and work outs he could very well be doing on his own.
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: NFL Camp News - 08/18/22 05:50 PM
You tell me, but do it while searching the history of this site for all the sniping that has gone on over the years over QBs and other players not showing up smile
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: NFL Camp News - 08/18/22 05:52 PM
But he did show up. This was while there were no team activities.

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Garoppolo would "disappear" in most offseason's and not return until the offseason programs.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: NFL Camp News - 08/18/22 05:54 PM
Just to clarify... in some of the articles, JG's disappearing involved not answering calls/texts from coaches.

Additionally, it's been reported that Shanny is EXTREMELY demanding of his QBs.
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: NFL Camp News - 08/18/22 05:55 PM
Ahh, I misread, then.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: NFL Camp News - 08/18/22 06:06 PM
Sounds like it's more of a Shanahan issue that a Jimmy G. issue.
Posted By: FATE Re: NFL Camp News - 08/18/22 07:34 PM
One may argue that if you have a 100M+ QB, coaches and FO may expect him to at least return a text or call -- offseason or not.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: NFL Camp News - 08/19/22 03:08 PM
Not really.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/19/22 03:12 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
One may argue that if you have a 100M+ QB, coaches and FO may expect him to at least return a text or call -- offseason or not.
I agree - any weekend or vacation I am on, if my boss tries to get hold of me I respond. It's happened many times. Clearly I earn a tiny fraction of JG.
Posted By: FrankZ Re: NFL Camp News - 08/19/22 03:26 PM
Almost like you are a professional eh?

It is the way of things.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/19/22 03:46 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
One may argue that if you have a 100M+ QB, coaches and FO may expect him to at least return a text or call -- offseason or not.

Other than rumors, is there any actual proof that this occurred? Frankly, I find what Sims has to say very hard to believe given how beloved and respected Jimmy G is by his teammates and coaches. In fact, Shanahan and Lynch have said that they want to do right by Jimmy G and not trade him to a team that would be a bad situation for him.

With that said, I am not advocating trading for Jimmy G. I may have been cool w/it had Watson been out for the year, but it's not a real good situation for either Jimmy G or the Browns at this point. I'm just saying these reports smell like fake news.
Posted By: superbowldogg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/19/22 03:48 PM
Baker is the starter in Carolina

that didn't take long
Posted By: cfrs15 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/19/22 03:50 PM
Originally Posted by superbowldogg
Baker is the starter in Carolina

that didn't take long

This seems like more of an indictment of Sam Darnold than anything else.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/19/22 04:30 PM
Originally Posted by cfrs15
Originally Posted by superbowldogg
Baker is the starter in Carolina

that didn't take long

This seems like more of an indictment of Sam Darnold than anything else.

Without question ... Living in the CLT market, I do hear some of the local sprt radio. Everyone is high on Baker at the moment - it's beyond just competing with Darnold ... but it's also pre-season and a honeymoon period. How he plays will be interesting. The Panthers are universally ranked as a bottom 5 roster in the NFL but they are in a weak division. It'll be quite the comparison for a while I would guess.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/19/22 05:12 PM
He'll probably get them to the playoffs this year and the browns players will get to watch from their couches. That is SO Browns.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: NFL Camp News - 08/19/22 06:32 PM
When things are good around him Baker is good. It’s just when he feels pressure or has to elevate those around him is when he struggles.
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: NFL Camp News - 08/19/22 06:47 PM
j/c:



Say it ain't so!
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/19/22 06:56 PM
Translation: If Brissett starts out losing the first two, Dobbs will start game 3. I sense a QB carrousel coming for 11 games unless we come out firing on all cylinders. This will be fun to watch.
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: NFL Camp News - 08/19/22 07:50 PM
The most important takeaway is that we should just start referring to our Backup QB as "Josh" so we can't be wrong.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: NFL Camp News - 08/19/22 07:53 PM
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Translation: If Brissett starts out losing the first two, Dobbs will start game 3. I sense a QB carrousel coming for 11 games unless we come out firing on all cylinders. This will be fun to watch.
Back to our wheelhouse! That’s Browns football from 99-17 haha. In reality I think we’ll roll with Brissett unless we trade for Jimmy G
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/19/22 07:55 PM
Originally Posted by Dawgs4Life
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Translation: If Brissett starts out losing the first two, Dobbs will start game 3. I sense a QB carrousel coming for 11 games unless we come out firing on all cylinders. This will be fun to watch.
Back to our wheelhouse! That’s Browns football from 99-17 haha. In reality I think we’ll roll with Brissett unless we trade for Jimmy G

Wait! You really believe what he is saying? You are usually way more rational than that.
Posted By: CapCity Dawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/19/22 08:07 PM
Originally Posted by mgh888
Originally Posted by cfrs15
Originally Posted by superbowldogg
Baker is the starter in Carolina

that didn't take long

This seems like more of an indictment of Sam Darnold than anything else.

Without question ... Living in the CLT market, I do hear some of the local sprt radio. Everyone is high on Baker at the moment - it's beyond just competing with Darnold ... but it's also pre-season and a honeymoon period. How he plays will be interesting. The Panthers are universally ranked as a bottom 5 roster in the NFL but they are in a weak division. It'll be quite the comparison for a while I would guess.

Didn't realize you were in the CLT market. You won't have to rely on social media to get the pulse of things. I know a lot of Panther fans as the company I work for is based in Raleigh, so I hear a lot of chatter.

I agree that the Panthers roster is towards the bottom of the league, and they are in a weak division. But in my opinion Tampa owns that division, I do not see anyone else winning it this year. Which means for Carolina the path to the playoffs will be as a wild card, in which case they are competing with a lot of teams not in their division. I get that 4 games are against NO and ATL, but that is out of 17.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/19/22 08:11 PM
So you think Brissett will be good and I'm not convinced of that yet. This smallest of differences somehow makes me irrational as well as anyone who even partially acknowledges the possibility that what I said is plausible? This is why everybody attacks you.
Posted By: mac Re: NFL Camp News - 08/19/22 08:32 PM
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Translation: If Brissett starts out losing the first two, Dobbs will start game 3. I sense a QB carrousel coming for 11 games unless we come out firing on all cylinders. This will be fun to watch.

The Browns coaching staff is about to be tested....are they capable of developing QB talent..??

Can Stefanski develop a QB..?

We are about to find out just how good this Browns coaching staff is..!!
Posted By: mgh888 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/20/22 12:29 AM
I think New Orleans will be much improved this year - Michael Thomas, Olave and Landry is a pretty damn good WR core when healthy. Seems Kamara will skate on any penalty till next year. But likewise for BM - DJ Moore is probably better than any WR he's ever thrown to. After that it's a bit 'meh' but having that one guy is going to be a big deal and **if** McCaffery stays healthy, that would also be a huge. I don't think I've watched a Panthers game since the Super Bowl - but I may watch a couple games this year.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: NFL Camp News - 08/20/22 01:52 AM
New Orleans all predicates on Winston’s ability to limit turnovers IMO
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: NFL Camp News - 08/20/22 10:30 AM
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Translation: If Brissett starts out losing the first two, Dobbs will start game 3. I sense a QB carrousel coming for 11 games unless we come out firing on all cylinders. This will be fun to watch.

That may not be the translation, but I could see something like that happening. I think there is some pressure on the team to come out of the first 11 games a game up on the record. At least I would guess that behind closed doors that is the minimum goal.

Even when Watson returns I find it hard to think he will be firing on all cylinders. I can already see the vultures circling, waiting for that day. Unless Watson comes out and throws 3TDs and 350 yards they will be picking flesh. Heck, that might not be enough.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/20/22 10:47 AM
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Translation: If Brissett starts out losing the first two, Dobbs will start game 3. I sense a QB carrousel coming for 11 games unless we come out firing on all cylinders. This will be fun to watch.

That may not be the translation, but I could see something like that happening. I think there is some pressure on the team to come out of the first 11 games a game up on the record. At least I would guess that behind closed doors that is the minimum goal.

Even when Watson returns I find it hard to think he will be firing on all cylinders. I can already see the vultures circling, waiting for that day. Unless Watson comes out and throws 3TDs and 350 yards they will be picking flesh. Heck, that might not be enough.


I am not saying this in a hostile way, but I will bet a good amount of money that Brissett will not be benched after game 2 if the current qb room remains the same. No way in the world do I see that happening.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: NFL Camp News - 08/20/22 11:07 AM
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Translation: If Brissett starts out losing the first two, Dobbs will start game 3. I sense a QB carrousel coming for 11 games unless we come out firing on all cylinders. This will be fun to watch.

That may not be the translation, but I could see something like that happening. I think there is some pressure on the team to come out of the first 11 games a game up on the record. At least I would guess that behind closed doors that is the minimum goal.

Even when Watson returns I find it hard to think he will be firing on all cylinders. I can already see the vultures circling, waiting for that day. Unless Watson comes out and throws 3TDs and 350 yards they will be picking flesh. Heck, that might not be enough.


I am not saying this in a hostile way, but I will bet a good amount of money that Brissett will not be benched after game 2 if the current qb room remains the same. No way in the world do I see that happening.

If you were talking directly to me, I don't ever take your comments in a hostile way.

My comments may have been overtated. I could see it, but I don't really expect to see that, nor hope for that. That would create a whole new bag of snakes. It would have to be more than just a loss. It would have to be pretty ugly as well.
Posted By: eotab Re: NFL Camp News - 08/20/22 11:20 AM
wait a minute, already we are making excuses for Watson, I thought that was why we traded for him cause all the excuses for Baker...

sometimes excuses just are facts like they were last year and for Watson also.
He will need about 3 games to get the rust off. AT LEAST.

Our defense will predicate where we will stand in the season to come.

jmho
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/20/22 11:23 AM
I just wanted to make sure because I responded to D4 about OCD's claim earlier on. I wasn't saying that I thought "Brissett was good." I was saying that it would be absolutely asinine to bench Brissett for Dobbs or Rosen after just two games. No freaking way!!! Despite what some posters are trying to sell us, you and I both know that our FO and coaching staff are not imbeciles.
Posted By: mac Re: NFL Camp News - 08/20/22 11:35 AM
What happened with Jed Wills at practice yesterday..?

Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/20/22 11:39 AM
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wait a minute, already we are making excuses for Watson,

Hey tab, I hope you are feeling okay. A question: who is making excuses for Watson? Can you explain what the excuses are so I can address your comment? Thanks.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/20/22 12:02 PM
Originally Posted by eotab
wait a minute, already we are making excuses for Watson, I thought that was why we traded for him cause all the excuses for Baker...

sometimes excuses just are facts like they were last year and for Watson also.
He will need about 3 games to get the rust off. AT LEAST.

Our defense will predicate where we will stand in the season to come.

jmho

100% Tab.... despite the fake ignorance being feigned. Hope you are doing okay - you are getting lots of good karma from everyone on this board.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: NFL Camp News - 08/20/22 02:26 PM
Originally Posted by mac
What happened with Jed Wills at practice yesterday..?

From reports, he had penalties and was beaten soundly and then was benched
Posted By: Bard Dawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/20/22 02:42 PM
We will need our D who will set the bar for our record this year. I expect brutal.

Hope you are doing well, Eo. Sending good stuff your way this board is! grin Hope today is great & tomorrow is better. Brighter tomorrows, Eo.
Posted By: hitt Re: NFL Camp News - 08/20/22 02:56 PM
JMHO- the D is vital, but O has to do their share. Cooper's double move was sweet to TD....more to come hopefully. Go Browns!!!
Posted By: oobernoober Re: NFL Camp News - 08/20/22 04:45 PM
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Translation: If Brissett starts out losing the first two, Dobbs will start game 3. I sense a QB carrousel coming for 11 games unless we come out firing on all cylinders. This will be fun to watch.

That may not be the translation, but I could see something like that happening. I think there is some pressure on the team to come out of the first 11 games a game up on the record. At least I would guess that behind closed doors that is the minimum goal.

Even when Watson returns I find it hard to think he will be firing on all cylinders. I can already see the vultures circling, waiting for that day. Unless Watson comes out and throws 3TDs and 350 yards they will be picking flesh. Heck, that might not be enough.


I am not saying this in a hostile way, but I will bet a good amount of money that Brissett will not be benched after game 2 if the current qb room remains the same. No way in the world do I see that happening.

If you were talking directly to me, I don't ever take your comments in a hostile way.

My comments may have been overtated. I could see it, but I don't really expect to see that, nor hope for that. That would create a whole new bag of snakes. It would have to be more than just a loss. It would have to be pretty ugly as well.

If KS wouldn't bench Baker for Keenum last year, there's no way he's benching JB for Dobbs or Rosen. KS will be tested in that he will need to actually adapt to the strengths of his O (getting the ball into the hands of his RBs and TEs and creative plays for the speedsters vs chucking the ball around).
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: NFL Camp News - 08/20/22 05:09 PM
I don't know what the CLT market is. Internet doesn't have much for CLT market, or CLT metro either if you +Carolina.
I know about Raleigh, Raleigh-Durham, Columbia, even Charlotte, but can't think of any L and T cities to pair with Charlotte.

If Jed Wills got benched, who did they bench him for? And How bad was the inserted player?
And who was Wills up against when the bad day happened? Was it a group, was it/were it the youngsters? Was it one or two of the Vets?
Was it a constant re-shuffling/disguising of some unknown cover player coming on a blitz? Were they the linebackers?

( I know it freakin means Charlotte... I just think it's a weird/stupid way to abbreviate it, and, wasn't sure if it was a nickname for a more/different ... gen-er-al area instead of just the particular town of Charlotte, a nickname only known to Locals. Google says the CLT market is either farmers markets, or the state of the real estate market. And it's too close to another word, frown (( clutch of course))

Did they Bring back Sheldon Day yet?
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/20/22 07:40 PM
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KS will be tested in that he will need to actually adapt to the strengths of his O (getting the ball into the hands of his RBs and TEs and creative plays for the speedsters vs chucking the ball around).

I think Stefanski already proved that in his first year here. He saw what Baker's issues were and developed a scheme that played to his strengths and limited the number of times where his weaknesses would be exposed. Baker did pretty good w/the most time to throw in the league, a dynamic run game, box stacked to stop the run, play action passing, and boots. However, teams adjust over time and the big thing Ds did last year was take away the boots and make Baker beat them from the pocket.

I think Stefanski's scheme for Brissett will be fine. Of course, it will be limited because JB has his issues and limitations, too. Next year will be fun when we have a top-tier qb operating in a very good Stefanski schemed offense.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/20/22 07:44 PM
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I don't know what the CLT market is.

Throw, when the idea of bringing NFL football to the Carolinas was first introduced, the team was supposed to be shared by Charlotte and Columbia, SC. They are about 1 hr. 15 min to 1 hr 30 min. apart.

The people of Columbia were miffed when the stadium was built in Charlotte. Also, Columbia is home to the University of South Carolina and the folks down here love their Gamecocks. There are plenty of Panther fans here, but the city as a whole are much more interested in collegiate sports than pro sports.
Posted By: Iluvmyxstripper Re: NFL Camp News - 08/20/22 08:05 PM
Newsflash for some of you. Jedrick Willis isn't even the best
LT in the AFC North. Moving him to the opposite side is proving
To be a mistake by this organization.
On top of all he doesn't play up his natural strength
Looks like Tarzan plays like Jane. That's him.he just lacks
That primal drive to finish off what's lined up in front
Of him. I know his fan club doesn't want to hear it but
Accurate
Posted By: cfrs15 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/20/22 08:14 PM
Can Brissett find open receivers? If he can we should be fine.
Posted By: Rishuz Re: NFL Camp News - 08/20/22 08:18 PM
Does Wills have a fan club?

Sorry Vers, that was in response to stripper.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/20/22 08:19 PM
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
I just wanted to make sure because I responded to D4 about OCD's claim earlier on. I wasn't saying that I thought "Brissett was good." I was saying that it would be absolutely asinine to bench Brissett for Dobbs or Rosen after just two games. No freaking way!!! Despite what some posters are trying to sell us, you and I both know that our FO and coaching staff are not imbeciles.

And that statement I made was less prediction and more expecting things to go horribly wrong for the Browns AS USUAL. After all, the Browns are the Browns.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/20/22 08:25 PM
Originally Posted by cfrs15
Can Brissett find open receivers? If he can we should be fine.

I haven't watched enough of JB to speak w/any authority. It appears that he is good in short stretches, for example 2-4 games. However, problems occur over the long term. I think we could have been okay w/a 4 game suspension. Had a chance if Judge Robinson's decision honored. But, I don't feel real good about 11 games. Again, not speaking w/authority. I haven't watched enough of him to be certain.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/20/22 08:26 PM
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Does Wills have a fan club?

LOL
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/20/22 08:26 PM
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
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KS will be tested in that he will need to actually adapt to the strengths of his O (getting the ball into the hands of his RBs and TEs and creative plays for the speedsters vs chucking the ball around).

I think Stefanski already proved that in his first year here. He saw what Baker's issues were and developed a scheme that played to his strengths and limited the number of times where his weaknesses would be exposed. Baker did pretty good w/the most time to throw in the league, a dynamic run game, box stacked to stop the run, play action passing, and boots. However, teams adjust over time and the big thing Ds did last year was take away the boots and make Baker beat them from the pocket.

I think Stefanski's scheme for Brissett will be fine. Of course, it will be limited because JB has his issues and limitations, too. Next year will be fun when we have a top-tier qb operating in a very good Stefanski schemed offense.

So if we suck ass this year, everybody gets a pass, right? That's kind of what I take from your post. So far I've seen in various posts that KS, JB, DW, and basically the offense as a unit seem to be getting a year to figure it all out since DW is suspended. Yet when I said I thought this would be a wasted year, I got criticized.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/20/22 08:26 PM
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
I just wanted to make sure because I responded to D4 about OCD's claim earlier on. I wasn't saying that I thought "Brissett was good." I was saying that it would be absolutely asinine to bench Brissett for Dobbs or Rosen after just two games. No freaking way!!! Despite what some posters are trying to sell us, you and I both know that our FO and coaching staff are not imbeciles.

And that statement I made was less prediction and more expecting things to go horribly wrong for the Browns AS USUAL. After all, the Browns are the Browns.

Okay, that makes much more sense.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/20/22 08:32 PM
But I do think, especially if Dobbs keeps showing out in preseason games, that a struggling Bissett would make for a quick QB controversy. What I don't see is them sticking with him long without some wins. Ks isn't about to accept this will be an under .500 season without DW for 11 games. Browns will Browns and panic if JB struggles more than a game or three, IMHO.
Posted By: Iluvmyxstripper Re: NFL Camp News - 08/20/22 08:51 PM
Quick thought
If the Browns have to lean more on the running game
In the 1st 11 to 13 games, wouldn't Njoku have to stay lined
Up tight in order to block. ?
I'm sure he is improved as a run blocker but he wasn't
Given all that $$$$ cause of his ability to be a force in the run schemes
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: NFL Camp News - 08/20/22 09:03 PM
If we wouldn't lean heavier on the run game with an injured and underperforming QB last year, what on Earth is making anyone think that we'll magically change and do it this year?
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/20/22 09:07 PM
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
Originally Posted by cfrs15
Can Brissett find open receivers? If he can we should be fine.

I haven't watched enough of JB to speak w/any authority. It appears that he is good in short stretches, for example 2-4 games. However, problems occur over the long term. I think we could have been okay w/a 4 game suspension. Had a chance if Judge Robinson's decision honored. But, I don't feel real good about 11 games. Again, not speaking w/authority. I haven't watched enough of him to be certain.

But yet you've watched enough to tell us all he won't turn the ball over, and won't take sacks?

Here's a little insight: If you can be good in 1 or 2 games, you can be good in all of them.

It does seem like you are already making excuses for the guy you said was better (between brisset and baker) - brisset, the career backup.
Posted By: bonefish Re: NFL Camp News - 08/20/22 09:18 PM
We have not played a single game with Jacoby Brissett.

Not sure how people seem to be thinking we will play poorly.

Everyone wants to be pretend to be a gypsy fortune teller. Football shows "this team will win these games and end up with this record." mmmm

I wonder who picked the Bengals to be in the Super Bowl. Ya see so much is placed upon last year. That alone is strange given that each team churns about a third of their roster each season. Let alone injuries or how some players play worse and some better.

Throw in the fact that league is based upon parity. You see that every week with how close the games are. How many come down to a few plays or a field goal.

Yet evryone knows the outcome before the season begins? Really.

I will wait to see how we look when we play a real game. Then the next one and so on and so forth.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/20/22 09:30 PM
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
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KS will be tested in that he will need to actually adapt to the strengths of his O (getting the ball into the hands of his RBs and TEs and creative plays for the speedsters vs chucking the ball around).

I think Stefanski already proved that in his first year here. He saw what Baker's issues were and developed a scheme that played to his strengths and limited the number of times where his weaknesses would be exposed. Baker did pretty good w/the most time to throw in the league, a dynamic run game, box stacked to stop the run, play action passing, and boots. However, teams adjust over time and the big thing Ds did last year was take away the boots and make Baker beat them from the pocket.

I think Stefanski's scheme for Brissett will be fine. Of course, it will be limited because JB has his issues and limitations, too. Next year will be fun when we have a top-tier qb operating in a very good Stefanski schemed offense.

So if we suck ass this year, everybody gets a pass, right? That's kind of what I take from your post. So far I've seen in various posts that KS, JB, DW, and basically the offense as a unit seem to be getting a year to figure it all out since DW is suspended. Yet when I said I thought this would be a wasted year, I got criticized.

Other than a need to be argumentative, I have no idea how you came to that conclusion after reading my post. Yet, you say nothing when we got steve, arch, Beast and others are calling for everyone to be fired before we even have played a down this year.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/20/22 09:34 PM
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It does seem like you are already making excuses for the guy you said was better (between brisset and baker) - brisset, the career backup.

I have never said any such thing. I have been ignoring lie after lie from you. Yet you won't stop lying. This is the last time I speak to you. Go talk to your brother, Pit. You are two of a kind.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/20/22 09:36 PM
It's not everyone. It's the BM Club. Hijacking thread after thread w/their BS!
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: NFL Camp News - 08/20/22 11:43 PM
Originally Posted by bonefish
We have not played a single game with Jacoby Brissett.

Not sure how people seem to be thinking we will play poorly.
There is a gameshow called blanktest, (their name not mine) but the host always says, "the answer is somewhere on the screen"
well the answer is somewhere on the screen. ^^
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Everyone wants to be pretend to be a gypsy fortune teller. Football shows "this team will win these games and end up with this record." mmmm

I wonder who picked the Bengals to be in the Super Bowl. Ya see so much is placed upon last year. That alone is strange given that each team churns about a third of their roster each season. Let alone injuries or how some players play worse and some better.
Nobody in the World can win if they are the first time in the first year of joining a team, .. and that team doesn't have any Wr's especially ones that had already been on that new team also. ,(so you can take HOF'er Kurt Warner off the table), when they're up against teams that keep their playmakers together for continuity.
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Throw in the fact that the league is based upon parity. You see that every week with how close the games are. How many come down to a few plays or a field goal.

Yet evryone knows the outcome before the season begins? Really.

I will wait to see how we look when we play a real game. Then the next one and so on and so forth.
We'll all wait for that too, of course.
but I know one thing.
First year quarterback? Have ya seen that before?
I have, We know how it goes, it doesn't go well.

( It doen't matter if it was a veteran or a draft pick. Jeff Garcia?
Will Jacoby Brissett be better than Jeff Garcia was while on the Browns? banghead
it's going to be so PEACHY, so much to look forward to for the rest of the weeks of the year.

Is it OK for the Haslams' to not have learned that Continuity matters after ummm 8 or 9 years of owning the team???
Posted By: ScottPlayersFacemask Re: NFL Camp News - 08/21/22 12:15 AM
Originally Posted by archbolddawg
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
Originally Posted by cfrs15
Can Brissett find open receivers? If he can we should be fine.

I haven't watched enough of JB to speak w/any authority. It appears that he is good in short stretches, for example 2-4 games. However, problems occur over the long term. I think we could have been okay w/a 4 game suspension. Had a chance if Judge Robinson's decision honored. But, I don't feel real good about 11 games. Again, not speaking w/authority. I haven't watched enough of him to be certain.

But yet you've watched enough to tell us all he won't turn the ball over, and won't take sacks?

Here's a little insight: If you can be good in 1 or 2 games, you can be good in all of them.

It does seem like you are already making excuses for the guy you said was better (between brisset and baker) - brisset, the career backup.

That is terrible insight.
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/21/22 12:22 AM
Except, I hardly reply to you, and when I do, it's not a lie. But, you have your go to excuse: call people liars.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/21/22 05:44 AM
To be dead honest, I read or skim about half of the posts directed at you in an argumentative tone. No way I'm spending two hours a day reading those bro, I don't know how you do it. Additionally, you may not have noticed because you tend to lump me in with those attacking you daily, but I don't do a lot of 'piling on' anywhere except in PP. I usually only get that way in here on the things that I personally think or feel strongly about, then I usually just say my piece and then dip out. But I do jump in on you and others when I see something I really dislike, like when a few told me that you harassed them in PMs or accused you of bullying them. Being one of the regular oldtimers on here I feel things like that, intervening or taking up for a noob, are necessary from time to time. And just so you know, I do some reflecting whenever I get hit (criticized) from all directions at once on DT. Because just like you, I am a strong personality too, until you know how to take me or add me to your ignore list that is. I can get emotional, overbearing, and downright nasty with others when I'm mad, or when I feel passionate about a specific view or outcome, and or attacked. But you can get like that too, as well as several others here. The majority of the board comes in to get the news and chit-chat while jumping through their favorite forums. There are only about a dozen-or-so of us that go hard, and often too hard.

These newer guys getting scrappy on here right now have been members for a while, but they never posted much until something hit them in the feels and made them speak up. Pit has been on you for a minute, but he's one of us loud oldtimers too. Just like arch, Fate, Eve, and a handful of others that I can't recall at this second, they can go hard at times too, but it's all more or less over us having different points of view for the most part. Sometimes differences in our value systems, strong beliefs, upbringings, geography, civic views, political views, religious views, and individual biases come into play in the arguments too, but those occur much less often than just plain old differences in opinion.

I bring all of this up to explain why those guys want people fired, why you disagree, and why I don't care. It's because we all have our own opinions. And if we're being completely honest with each other, all of those varying opinions should be welcomed everywhere and treated with a modicum of mutual respect. But we are living in a highly emotionally charged time right now and things are a fair bit more heated than usual, and that is most of what has been going on with all the conflict for several years on parts of the board and at least eight months to a year in PF. Last year's struggles, various events, and serious changes split the fanbase. So, it's probably going to take some serious winning to bring the majority of us back to the same page as fans. For me, it's no different than a lot of things right now. People are high-strung, emotionally charged, running low on giving a crap, and even lower on mutual respect. It is what it is.

I was pissed about the way DW was brought in and felt like Baker didn't deserve the treatment he took. But that's old news now. As far as DW, I did want some sort of punishment. Now, I just want him to redeem himself both on and off the field. I also hope the shrink can fix this kid because it's obvious he's broken and we need $230 mil worth of top 5 play out of him while not repeating his mistakes or somehow making things worse. I also think he's guilty of being a sexual predator and may have a mental addiction to this type of behavior. However, at the end of the day, he's a young man but still a kid deserving a 2nd chance as long as there are no new issues. After everything that has come out, I'm honestly surprised he made it past the grand jury. So, those wanting him here should probably count their blessing that he is even here and just let the people who want to rant, rant. Here's a hint for you though, rants tend to end when nobody will listen or respond. Just an FYI. Smh, I have no idea how Purp puts up with us.

One last thing, when I said:
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So if we suck ass this year, everybody gets a pass, right? That's kind of what I take from your post. So far I've seen in various posts that KS, JB, DW, and basically the offense as a unit seem to be getting a year to figure it all out since DW is suspended. Yet when I said I thought this would be a wasted year, I got criticized.
I was just thinking that the new consensus looked a whole lot like the thoughts I posted and was criticized for. Hell, I don't even remember who all criticized me for that. And other than what I just posted, I want no part of getting in between you and those other guys right now. Just saying.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: NFL Camp News - 08/21/22 09:16 AM
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
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I don't know what the CLT market is.

Throw, when the idea of bringing NFL football to the Carolinas was first introduced, the team was supposed to be shared by Charlotte and Columbia, SC. They are about 1 hr. 15 min to 1 hr 30 min. apart.

The people of Columbia were miffed when the stadium was built in Charlotte. Also, Columbia is home to the University of South Carolina and the folks down here love their Gamecocks. There are plenty of Panther fans here, but the city as a whole are much more interested in collegiate sports than pro sports.

No doubt college football is deep rooted in the south. No doubt the idea with Carolina was to be a somewhat shared experience, but once everything settledeverything was on the north side of the state line.

Carolina is probably due a new stadium, and to beat the heat it will probably be a dome. When that day comes it would be smart to locate it in Rock Hill. S.C. I think they tried to do something similar with the training facility and team Hdqtrs...whatever happened to that? Is that still happening?
Posted By: bonefish Re: NFL Camp News - 08/21/22 11:11 AM
Sure makes sense to me.

We most likely willl not win a game.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/21/22 11:28 AM
I remember hearing Rock Hill mentioned. It's in SC, but is closer to to Charlotte than Columbia. I haven't heard any news about it quite awhile, but I haven't been looking for that news. I have a feeling people have just accepted the locale or moved on.

Man, you are right about the dome thing. Columbia is one of the hottest places you will find. It's in a little bowl and the dew point is often upwards of 70. It can be oppressive. Charlotte is probably not as bad, but it's still has to be awfully hot in August and September for Panther home games.
Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/21/22 03:02 PM
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
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I don't know what the CLT market is.

Throw, when the idea of bringing NFL football to the Carolinas was first introduced, the team was supposed to be shared by Charlotte and Columbia, SC. They are about 1 hr. 15 min to 1 hr 30 min. apart.

The people of Columbia were miffed when the stadium was built in Charlotte. Also, Columbia is home to the University of South Carolina and the folks down here love their Gamecocks. There are plenty of Panther fans here, but the city as a whole are much more interested in collegiate sports than pro sports.

No doubt college football is deep rooted in the south. No doubt the idea with Carolina was to be a somewhat shared experience, but once everything settledeverything was on the north side of the state line.

Carolina is probably due a new stadium, and to beat the heat it will probably be a dome. When that day comes it would be smart to locate it in Rock Hill. S.C. I think they tried to do something similar with the training facility and team Hdqtrs...whatever happened to that? Is that still happening?


I worked on building the Panthers stadium and lived in Rock Hill back in those days. It's hard to believe that they are looking to build a new stadium already.
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: NFL Camp News - 08/21/22 03:07 PM
Rock Hill SC is 24 miles by car from Charlotte CLT airport, ( see, that's where the CLT abbrev. comes from).
They will not build a stadium 24 miles by car from the major airport it has to use, not in a market no bigger than Carolinas' market. ( Maybe in Chicagos')
Rock Hill will not be the site of a new stadium.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: NFL Camp News - 08/21/22 03:09 PM
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
It's not everyone. It's the BM Club. Hijacking thread after thread w/their BS!

Sure it is.....
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I think Stefanski already proved that in his first year here. He saw what Baker's issues were and developed a scheme that played to his strengths and limited the number of times where his weaknesses would be exposed. Baker did pretty good w/the most time to throw in the league, a dynamic run game, box stacked to stop the run, play action passing, and boots. However, teams adjust over time and the big thing Ds did last year was take away the boots and make Baker beat them from the pocket.

You start more crap with your lies than anyone on this board. Everyone knows Baker was injured in 2021 and that's the reason things went awry. Your revisionist history is BS and you post it while blaming others who show you are wrong.
Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/21/22 03:21 PM
Originally Posted by THROW LONG
Rock Hill SC is 24 miles by car from Charlotte CLT airport, ( see, that's where the CLT abbrev. comes from).
They will not build a stadium 24 miles by car from the major airport it has to use, not in a market no bigger than Carolinas' market. ( Maybe in Chicagos')
Rock Hill will not be the site of a new stadium.


Okay
Posted By: Rishuz Re: NFL Camp News - 08/21/22 03:22 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
[quote=Versatile Dog]Everyone knows Baker was injured in 2021 and that's the reason things went awry.

That second part is an opinion. In your opinion, that is why things went awry. In Vers' opinion, it was the other things he mentioned. If the Browns agreed with you, Baker would still be on the team or other teams would have been clamoring for his services. Baker had a lot of detractors even after 2020. People felt the Browns were winning with Baker and not because of him. A common narrative was "limit his throws and the Browns will win...if he has to throw more than 25-30 times/game, then the Browns chances of winning decreased significantly." The talking heads were basing this on what they saw on the field and what the stats bore out. None of that had to do with injury. The NFL recognized this as well and adjusted, injury or no injury. They sold out to stop the run, stopped falling for play action, kept Baker in the pocket, and eliminated bootlegs. Did the injury affect his ability to adjust to that? I respect anyone's opinion who thinks so, but considering there were concerns prior to the injury, my opinion is the injury made very little difference.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: NFL Camp News - 08/21/22 03:45 PM
Yeah, having a shoulder injury that impacts a QB every time he throws the ball having a huge impact oh his performance is an "opinion". I didn't really need purple for that did I?
Posted By: steve0255 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/21/22 04:10 PM
The construction on the practice facility and headquarters in Rock Hill, SC has stopped, and the Panthers pulled out with it half-finished because the county and city was dragging their feet on their financial commitment. Panthers owner David Tepper is no push over in business being a billionaire hedge fund manager and the NFL's richest owner who is worth $6 billion more than the next man on the list with a net worth of 16.7 billion. I don't believe the new owner of the Broncos is figured into that list yet but as of April, Tepper was the richest.

It's just my opinion, as a Charlotte resident that North Carolina, the City of Charlotte, and surrounding area blew it originally when Tepper went south for his team facility and Headquarters. Now that South Carolina screwed the pooch, it's time for the area to step up and get that stuff built locally.

Going north to the area between UNC Charlotte and the Charlotte Motor Speedway would be perfect for the city, has the room, and could encompass the mass transit system just by extending the LYNX the remaining distance between UNC Charlotte and the racetrack like originally planned. It would also give the university the opportunity to play there too being so close and much larger than their current 13,000-seat stadium. There's also multiple Interstate(s) to access the area much like the racetrack.

“UNC Charlotte is the second largest institution in the UNC System,” the description reads with over 30,000 students enrolled. “UNC Charlotte is often confused with UNC Chapel Hill which often goes by UNC or mistaken as a community college.

There's no doubt that Tepper is going to build a new practice facility & headquarters in the very near future and a new stadium shortly after that. He also owns the Charlotte FC professional soccer team so keeping the group in Charlotte is important for the economy of the community. Where - is the biggest question now but I doubt that South Carolina is under any consideration anymore and it's up to North Carolina to get off their butts and work with Tepper to solidify the states commitment to the team. Tepper doesn't strike me as a person that has a lot of patience to play a waiting game and will get what he wants whether it's in Charlotte or not, IMO.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/21/22 04:24 PM
This is only my opinion - but it's perfectly possible and it might even be probable that the Browns viewed Baker as a top 15 - top 12 QB.... and they view Watson as a top 1-2-3 QB entering his prime. The statistical deep dive on Watson that has been posted is literally a Berry wet dream come true. His stats in clutch moments and other important criteria if you are analysis driven are next world. I think it'd make sense (setting aside any other issues) for the Browns to go hard after Russell Wilson who can also be a top 2-3-4 QB when healthy - and Watson even if they believed Baker to be above average or even good. Both truly elite QB's and both unusually available for top franchise level QB's.

I don't think for one second that the Browns FO trading for Watson is any indication what-so-ever that the injury didn't impact Baker last year. I think that's a huge stretch. I'll repeat - Before the injury Baker was completing 80%+ passes. After the injury it was 55% completion. I do not think Baker continues at 80% if he doesn't get hurt - those numbers are unsustainable - but I do think he is 8-9-10% higher than 55% for the rest of the year if healthy. And that doesn't account for confidence, getting happy feet and the fear of getting hit (and hurt because of the injury) in a collapsing pocket etc.
Posted By: bonefish Re: NFL Camp News - 08/21/22 04:55 PM
In my opinion it is time to look at the Cleveland Browns roster as it is today.

Who is on the team and how we can win against the teams we play.

We now know who will play quarterback week one and who we play.

Frankly, I could give a **** about power rankings before a game has been played. Nor do I care about odds from Vegas.

I am working on the game plan against the Panthers.

Last year in MLB the Dodgers were considered unstoppable. Suppose to be one of the best teams ever. Up until August this year. The same was said about the Yankees.
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That is the beauty of Sports. You have to play the games.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: NFL Camp News - 08/22/22 05:05 AM
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
I remember hearing Rock Hill mentioned. It's in SC, but is closer to to Charlotte than Columbia. I haven't heard any news about it quite awhile, but I haven't been looking for that news. I have a feeling people have just accepted the locale or moved on.

Man, you are right about the dome thing. Columbia is one of the hottest places you will find. It's in a little bowl and the dew point is often upwards of 70. It can be oppressive. Charlotte is probably not as bad, but it's still has to be awfully hot in August and September for Panther home games.

I know Rock Hill is a stone throw away from Charlotte...I just don't think they are going to go as far away as Columbia. As you said, it's about the Gamecocks there, and past Rock Hill there isn't a whole lot until you get to Columbia.

I know what you mean about Columbia. I spent some time there on the job when they got backlogged. It is the eastern end of the southern heat belt...a swath running from there through Macon, Ga, Montgomery, Ala, Jackson Miss down to New Orleans. It's just a combination of heat and humidity that is hard for many people to understand.

Just like many chuckle when a place like Atlanta gets shut down with 2 inches of snow, the same down here happens when people in Chicago go bonkers when the temps hit 95. I mean that is a every day deal for 3-4 months down here.

My wife and I have joked for years that the weather people here in Chattanooga have a easy job in the summer. Just pin up "High around 95 with a chance of afternoon thunderstorms" and just take off from early June until a week after Labor Day.
Posted By: Hammer Re: NFL Camp News - 08/22/22 04:14 PM
Ahh Columbia, home of Ft. Jackson. Fond memories...
Posted By: Milk Man Re: NFL Camp News - 08/22/22 04:23 PM
j/c...

Posted By: AZBrown Re: NFL Camp News - 08/22/22 05:28 PM
Originally Posted by Milk Man
j/c...


Maybe Garrett, Clowney or JOK can test that left shoulder on the turf a few times?

That said, I hope he'll be fine after playing us.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/22/22 05:38 PM
Great to start the year with an easy win on the road. Because of the off season I've not re-upped my subscription for Sunday Ticket but being in CLT I'll get to watch this game at least.
Posted By: Iluvmyxstripper Re: NFL Camp News - 08/22/22 05:43 PM
Talk about being handed a job. What's the over under
On how many INTs Baker throws week 1?
Posted By: mgh888 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/22/22 06:38 PM
Originally Posted by Iluvmyxstripper
Talk about being handed a job. What's the over under
On how many INTs Baker throws week 1?

At least 5. Maybe more. He's short. Can't read a D. Panics. Horrible accuracy. This D knows him and when the Defences figure him out he is trash. Panthers are bad and can't cover all his deficiencies like Stefanski and the Browns did... Minimum of 5
Posted By: jfanent Re: NFL Camp News - 08/22/22 09:14 PM
All aboard the hyperbole train! Seriously, he'll probably have a decent game. I just hope he's in there needing a score to beat us with a minute left.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: NFL Camp News - 08/22/22 09:22 PM
Panthers are favored by 1.5 points. I’ll be paying attention to that line.
Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/22/22 10:42 PM
j/c,

Browns reduce roster to 80 players
The Browns have waived five players.

Aug 22, 2022 at 05:11 PM

ClevelandBrowns.com

The Cleveland Browns have made the following transactions:

Waived:

--P Joseph Charlton

--S Luther Kirk IV

--T Wyatt Miller

--CB Parnell Motley (some what of a surprise over Hill who has been toast. )

--TE Marcus Santos-Silva
Posted By: mgh888 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/22/22 10:55 PM
Originally Posted by jfanent
All aboard the hyperbole train! Seriously, he'll probably have a decent game. I just hope he's in there needing a score to beat us with a minute left.
There are several posters that have have basically said these things. And Browns do have a top level NFL roster that is loaded, and we have a QB who is supposed to be no worse than BM last year, with less turnovers. Panthers have a bottom 1/3 roster ... bottom 5 according to several leading sport media. This shouldn't be close. No excuses, right?
Posted By: cfrs15 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/22/22 11:00 PM
If only that’s how things worked.
Posted By: jfanent Re: NFL Camp News - 08/22/22 11:03 PM
Originally Posted by mgh888
Originally Posted by jfanent
All aboard the hyperbole train! Seriously, he'll probably have a decent game. I just hope he's in there needing a score to beat us with a minute left.
There are several posters that have have basically said these things. And Browns do have a top level NFL roster that is loaded, and we have a QB who is supposed to be no worse than BM last year, with less turnovers. Panthers have a bottom 1/3 roster ... bottom 5 according to several leading sport media. This shouldn't be close. No excuses, right?


....but that train keeps a rollin, on down to San Antone.
Posted By: Homewood Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/22/22 11:04 PM
WE always lose the first game of the season except for one year. This would be a nice year to finally break that streak!
Posted By: mgh888 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/22/22 11:14 PM
Homewood - Things have a way of finally reverting to the mean so hopefully we'll start this year and have a long history of winning the first game of the season going forward.
Posted By: Homewood Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/22/22 11:18 PM
Hopefully. I mean we finally beat Detroit last season!
Posted By: FrankZ Re: NFL Camp News - 08/22/22 11:18 PM
Originally Posted by Homewood Dog
WE always lose the first game of the season except for one year. This would be a nice year to finally break that streak!

We've never lost a game with Brissett at QB!
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/22/22 11:23 PM
j/c:

Sounds like excuses are already being made.
Posted By: Homewood Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/22/22 11:24 PM
That's true!! Maybe we'll have some better luck with him!!!
Posted By: Rishuz Re: NFL Camp News - 08/22/22 11:56 PM
Originally Posted by mgh888
Great to start the year with an easy win on the road. Because of the off season I've not re-upped my subscription for Sunday Ticket but being in CLT I'll get to watch this game at least.

I'm pretty sure all directv customers got it for free. If not, they are giving it away with a phone call.
Posted By: WSU Willie Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 12:51 AM
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
j/c:

Sounds like excuses are already being made.

Yes...yes they are.
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 01:00 AM
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
j/c:

Sounds like excuses are already being made.

Eh, your 'boys' will win us 15 games this year. After all, JB is better and we have DW.......well, we don't have DW, but, at least baker is gone, right?

No excuses. You've told us repeatedly how much better Jacoby is than baker, injured, was.

I expect, due to your insight, 15 wins this season.

Your rep is on the line. Heck, I'll even go 10 wins.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 01:19 AM
To be fair, what was said is that Brissett isn't worse than Baker and will turn the ball over less .. To many that would mean "better" but I wanted to be accurate.
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 01:24 AM
Originally Posted by mgh888
To be fair, what was said is that Brissett isn't worse than Baker and will turn the ball over less .. To many that would mean "better" but I wanted to be accurate.
Fair enough. We'll have, minus any injury, 11 weeks to see.
Posted By: Rishuz Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 01:27 AM
The Browns ceiling is likely 8 games this year.

It's going to be long year.
Posted By: jaybird Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 01:38 AM
Originally Posted by Milk Man
j/c...



Here....we....go....
Posted By: mgh888 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 01:40 AM
They have a brutal series of games right before DW returns but if we start 4-0 we might be able to squeak the playoffs assuming DW hits the ground at full speed.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 01:41 AM
Watching the Jets/Falcons game. The Jets are awful. But Atlanta will be tough to beat at their place because they have some dynamic guys on offense
Posted By: Rishuz Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 01:43 AM
Ridder has been really impressive.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 02:32 AM
Yeah he has. Guys like him are such a good fit in today’s NFL. It’s actually why I think Dobbs is a better fit here than he was in Pittsburgh with their “Big Ben” offense
Posted By: jaybird Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 02:42 AM
Originally Posted by mgh888
They have a brutal series of games right before DW returns but if we start 4-0 we might be able to squeak the playoffs assuming DW hits the ground at full speed.


We need to go 4-0 or 3-1 to start..... I'm guessing we have 4 wins before DW returns....
Posted By: cfrs15 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 02:46 AM
You guys are weird.
Posted By: Rishuz Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 02:54 AM
Originally Posted by cfrs15
You guys are weird.

Which part?
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 03:13 AM
That new Panthers QB worries me in the first game. He plays well with a chip on his shoulder, I hear. I can already see him running backward along our bench giving KS that "Hue, I got your number" look.
Posted By: superbowldogg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 03:51 AM
if we go 7-4 or if we want a chance at the playoffs

I could see something like this happening

CAR - win
Jets - win
Pitts - win
ATL - win
LAC - loss
NEP - loss
BAL - loss
CIN - loss
MIA - win
BUF - loss
TAM - win

Watson will have to go 4/6 when he is back.
Posted By: Baker_Dawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 04:07 AM
Can’t wait for week one, not a bit nervous
Posted By: lampdogg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 05:35 AM
Myles and Clowney. They’re not nervous.

Is there a reason you still prowl around?
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 09:27 AM
All of that aside, I think Baker is a pretty good QB and will have a good game. I still expect the Browns to win because we have a better team. That is if the team is ready to play. If i have a beef with Stefanski it is not having the team ready early in the season.

I understand it is a long season and pacing is necessary, but I don't think you can be afraid of injury. I think trying to hide from it causes as many injuries as it prevents. I think you have to be smart in approach. As an example you probably don't want starters up against 3rd teamers who are trying to make a team. Those guys are probably trying too hard and playing after the whistle to catch the eye of the coach.

Practicing and not practicing enough are different deals.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 09:41 AM
J/c

I think Baker will probably play well and will is obviously highly motivated, but our concern should be more about McCaffrey and Moore. The offense will go through them. IMO JOK is the key to this one to guard CMC out of the backfield
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 11:35 AM
All that aside, I never once said JB was a better qb than Baker. arch has resorted to telling lies, just like Pit and 888.

I have said that JB will probably throw fewer interceptions and take fewer needless sacks. I have also said that Baker has a superior arm and can make more dynamic plays. Personally, I think the deliberate spreading of lies should resort in a suspension, although I realize it would be hard for the refs to monitor. If those guys make the claim enough times, it becomes a "reality" on the board. And again, instead of talking about football, we have to talk about crap like this because of a few posters who constantly make things personal and don't even talk about football. Scroll through a list of arch's posts on this forum and see how many times he is talking about another poster and how many times he talks about football. The disparity is alarming.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 11:59 AM
Not sure if we are allowed to talk about NFL camp news on this thread, but here is an article on the subject and it contains info on one of our own.




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NFL Week 2 preseason winners and losers: Running backs, rookie QBs among top performers
Assessing the biggest standouts, for better or worse, from this week
Cody Benjamin


Week 2 of the NFL preseason is just about wrapped up, with only Monday night's Falcons-Jets contest still on the docket. That means we're well over halfway through the entire exhibition slate, and roughly a week away from final roster cut-downs. The real games are just around the corner. But which players and teams took clear steps in the right (or wrong) direction this week?

Here are our biggest winners and losers from the second week of 2022 preseason action:

Winner: KaVontae Turpin

The Cowboys already had premium offensive weaponry in CeeDee Lamb, Dalton Schultz and Tony Pollard. But they might have to find a way to include Turpin as well, after the minor-league veteran and recent USFL star logged not one but two return touchdowns in Dallas' win over the Chargers. Even if just as a kick or punt returner, he probably locked up a roster spot.

Loser: Antonio Gibson
Speaking of offensive weapons in the NFC East, Gibson genuinely appears to be losing his grasp on the Commanders' top running back job. The former rookie standout, now entering Year 3, rotated with the second- and third-team units at practice recently. Against the Chiefs, he stood on the sidelines while rookie Brian Robinson Jr. started in the backfield, then totaled just two carries while being relegated to kick-return duties.


Winner: Kenny Pickett

The Pittsburgh product was always gonna be the fan favorite in the Steelers' QB competition, but he was decisive and unfazed in limited action against the Jaguars, making the case with a seamless up-tempo scoring drive that he deserves genuine consideration as the Week 1 starter over Mitchell Trubisky, who's more experienced but maybe no more talented.

Loser: Josh Rosen
Not all young AFC North QBs had a good weekend, and Rosen will be the first to admit it after completing just seven of 20 throws against the Eagles' third-stringers. Flopping in each of his career stops, his shot at claiming No. 3 QB duties for the Browns behind Deshaun Watson and Jacoby Brissett is pretty much shot after Joshua Dobbs showcased both an efficient arm and play-extending mobility to keep Cleveland competitive.

Winner: The run game
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If you played preseason fantasy football with second- and third-string running backs this week, congratulations. The Bills rolled all over the Broncos by deploying every member of their deep backfield: Devin Singletary, Zack Moss, James Cook and Duke Johnson. The Eagles got steady burst from Boston Scott and Kenny Gainwell with Miles Sanders absent. The Lions' trio of Justin Jackson, Craig Reynolds and Godwin Igwebuike combined for over 100 yards against the Colts. Who says the ground game is dead?


Loser: Michael Thomas
Getting hurt isn't necessarily his fault, but the star Saints receiver is trying to return to the field for the first time since 2020, and two days after sitting out his second straight preseason game, he missed practice with a hamstring issue. All while first-round rookie Chris Olave continues to rise up the ranks and approach 2022 as New Orleans' most likely No. 1 target.

Winner: Malik Willis

No one expects the third-round rookie to be a polished passer at this point in his career, so just witnessing his electricity as a scrambler and occasional side-armed thrower should be enough to entice Titans fans growing impatient with Ryan Tannehill under center. No, Willis isn't about to take over at QB, but you can see, after his mobility and arm angles against the Buccaneers, why Tennessee stopped his draft-day fall.



Loser: Kliff Kingsbury
Just kidding. Or are we? The Cardinals coach has jokingly allowed his QB, Kyler Murray, to experiment with play-calling this summer ever since Murray gave him a hard time about running the offense. But once Murray took over the headset late in Arizona's preseason loss to the Ravens, the Cards' offense was decidedly more effective, even threatening a comeback after an option touchdown run by backup Trace McSorley. Now let's see if Kliff surrenders responsibility when it matters.


Winner: Isaiah Likely

Looking for a sleeper who's Likely to have a bigger impact on the Ravens' offense this year than expected? A guy who's Likely to warrant some red-zone targets from Lamar Jackson? And maybe even Likely to share snaps with Mark Andrews? We can't get enough Likely after the rookie fourth-rounder went off with eight catches for 100 yards and a touchdown against the Cardinals, consistently finding or creating space against Arizona's defense.


https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...r-headline-top-five-week-2-performances/
Posted By: mgh888 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 12:11 PM
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
All that aside, I never once said JB was a better qb than Baker. arch has resorted to telling lies, just like Pit and 888.

I have said that JB will probably throw fewer interceptions and take fewer needless sacks. I have also said that Baker has a superior arm and can make more dynamic plays. Personally, I think the deliberate spreading of lies should resort in a suspension, although I realize it would be hard for the refs to monitor. If those guys make the claim enough times, it becomes a "reality" on the board. And again, instead of talking about football, we have to talk about crap like this because of a few posters who constantly make things personal and don't even talk about football. Scroll through a list of arch's posts on this forum and see how many times he is talking about another poster and how many times he talks about football. The disparity is alarming.

The constant and unfounded of calling others liars is what should get you suspended. The person at the heart and the only common denominator of 80% of all the angst on this board. It used to be a higher % but Watson has created additional divide and animosity. The person without the guts to debate other posters but then can't keep the names of posters he won't debate with out of his posts.

As for reading crappy personal attacks.... That's you and what you just initiated in this thread. Can't make this stuff up.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 12:14 PM
For those of you who like to keep abreast of NFL news, here is an article w/a ton of information. It includes position battles, injury news, possible cuts, rookie news, and some speculation. The article does not contain any information that talks about posters on this board, however.




https://www.nfl.com/news/2022-nfl-p...-to-know-about-position-battles-injuries
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 12:36 PM

The Browns really need help at DT and two of the guys projected to be cut are in the above article are former high draft choices. I believe Ferrell drafted 10th overall and Blacklock was 40th overall. I checked out their PFF grades because our DTs are so bad. These guys are bad, too.


Blacklock:

Pass Rush: 66.4
Run D: 39.0
Overall: 50.4



Ferrell:

Pass Rush: 63.0
Run D: 36.5
Overall: 44.4



Here is the PFF grading scale again:

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(PFF grades every player on every play and uses a scale of 0-100, with higher grades indicating better play. PFF has explained its grades this way: 100-90 elite; 89-85 Pro Bowler; 84-70 starter; 69-60 backup; 59-0 replaceable. In other words, it’s similar to how we would match up percentages with traditional letter grades in school.)
Posted By: hitt Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 03:39 PM
JMHO, OL Isaac Weaver, from the Chargers could be worth a look as a center. He has the size.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 04:03 PM
Originally Posted by Dawgs4Life
Panthers are favored by 1.5 points. I’ll be paying attention to that line.


How? Even if you give them the edge at QB, we have clear advantage at just about every other position. Right?
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 04:16 PM
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Posted By: Iluvmyxstripper Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 04:25 PM
Originally Posted by oobernoober
Originally Posted by Dawgs4Life
Panthers are favored by 1.5 points. I’ll be paying attention to that line.


How? Even if you give them the edge at QB, we have clear advantage at just about every other position. Right?

Panthers are better at WR
Posted By: oobernoober Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 05:16 PM
I'm not expecting that to make much difference vs our DBs.
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 05:23 PM
Originally Posted by oobernoober
Originally Posted by Dawgs4Life
Panthers are favored by 1.5 points. I’ll be paying attention to that line.


How? Even if you give them the edge at QB, we have clear advantage at just about every other position. Right?

Automatic 3 pts for it being in their house, right?
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 05:25 PM
I think one thing people don't factor in when evaluating the Panthers is if McCaffrey plays or not. For example, they were 4 and 3 w/him and 1 and 9 w/out him last year. That's a dramatic swing. I think the Panthers will be decent if McCaffrey plays all year and I think they will suck if he gets hurt.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 05:36 PM
Originally Posted by PrplPplEater
Originally Posted by oobernoober
Originally Posted by Dawgs4Life
Panthers are favored by 1.5 points. I’ll be paying attention to that line.


How? Even if you give them the edge at QB, we have clear advantage at just about every other position. Right?

Automatic 3 pts for it being in their house, right?

Current total points over/under for each team Week 1:

Panthers: 21.5

Browns: 19.5

Be curious to watch these lines as we get closer to week 1.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 07:34 PM
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
All that aside, I never once said JB was a better qb than Baker. arch has resorted to telling lies, just like Pit and 888.

You forgot to add Vers to your list. I can't imagine how you overlooked that one.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 07:47 PM
Originally Posted by oobernoober
Originally Posted by Dawgs4Life
Panthers are favored by 1.5 points. I’ll be paying attention to that line.


How? Even if you give them the edge at QB, we have clear advantage at just about every other position. Right?

One thing to keep in mind is that the home field advantage is usually 3 points. And of course I realize nobody wants to hear it but it could easily be that the odds makers are factoring in all of the turmoil that's gone on here during the off season. I would say that based on exactly what you have pointed out, that some odds makers probably find it hard to believe that what's been going on around here hasn't taken away some of the focus needed to be ready for the upcoming season the way a team should be.

It's obvious the Browns are a much more talented team from a roster standpoint. It could also be that they value Baker to be a much better QB than Brissett and that also factors into it.

These first few games are going to set a tone for this season more than they normally do I would say. It's critical that the Browns win these first few games against weaker opponents or this season could all go to hell fast. As we can see there are already some fans tuning up their pitch forks to make Stefanski the fall guy.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 08:03 PM
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 08:05 PM
Posted By: oobernoober Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 08:53 PM
I did forget about the standard 3 points for Home Field Advantage, so I'll take the L on that one. I thought I had read that Carolina has a pretty weak roster, overall. They have CM at RB, and then.....

Nothing rises to the same level as Browns turmoil, but at the end of the day their starting QB is no more comfortable in their O than ours is. Their starting QB is one that was essentially an available FA up until TC, and they were so juiced to trade for him that they refused to pay something like 2/3 of his salary and offered a nothing pick in the draft after next.

... or maybe they have a much stronger team than I had thought. I dunno.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 09:13 PM
No, their team isn't ranked as being very talented. And you see, I'm not claiming Baker is a great QB. I actually never have. But when you compare a QB who took his team to the playoffs the last season he played healthy to perennial backup I think it gives him a big advantage among odds makers. With the Browns much superior roster something is doing it. I don't think that the difference in how they rate the two QB's is all of it but I think when you look at it, it certainly plays a part in it.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 09:19 PM
The Panthers roster has been rated as a bottom 6-8 team in most of the media rankings - as low as bottom 3 by ESPN Plus. . McCaffery is a genuine stud - but normally can't stay healthy. DJ Moore is probably going to be the best WR Baker has ever had to throw to by quite some margin. Someone mentioned the Panthers went 4-3 with McCaffrey last year as if somehow that meant they are pretty good with him - but a quick shows that 2 of those four wins were over 4 win Jets and 4 win Houston ... so I'd look at that stat with a more critical lens than presented. Bottom line is that the opening game shouldn't be close, Browns defense should eat the Panthers lunch.... while the QB situation for the Browns is't ideal - Chubb, Hunt are still Chubb and Hunt ... and the D is unaffected by the QB situation. I believe the D will keep is in every game this year. Top 5 D last year (I've heard that recently) and only going to get better.
Posted By: cfrs15 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 09:35 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
All that aside, I never once said JB was a better qb than Baker. arch has resorted to telling lies, just like Pit and 888.

You forgot to add Vers to your list. I can't imagine how you overlooked that one.

An admission of guilt.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 09:44 PM
Another shot in the dark that missed its target.
Posted By: keithfromxenia Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 10:06 PM
I do not see how you think they have the advantage at qb. Their starter cannot read defenses, cannot work thru his progressions , is wildly inaccurate, cannot hit the deep pass. And sheesh, in the last two minutes he is incompetent. He is just pretty bad. I know all this because some folks on here told us that last season time after time. So it must be true. This game should be a walkover for the browns.
Posted By: Clemdawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 10:20 PM
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Myles and Clowney. They’re not nervous.

"Meet me at the QB, bruh-"
"You got it. See you soon-"
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 11:14 PM
j/c:

Pretty good list by Schein. Browns D getting a lil love.



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NFL's top nine defenses in 2022: 49ers, Bills stand tall; Chargers loom after loading up
Published: Aug 22, 2022 at 10:48 AM
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Adam Schein
NFL.com Contributing Columnist



TOP NINE DEFENSES



Defense wins championships.

It's a familiar refrain. But does it still hold true in this era of high-flying offense?

OK, so the 1985 Chicago Bears are not walking through that door. Neither are the Purple People Eaters, the 2000 Baltimore Ravens or the Legion of Boom. But there are defenses poised to make a real difference this year.

Here are my top defenses heading into the 2022 NFL season, Schein Nine-style:


Rank
1
San Francisco 49ers

Nick Bosa, who received my vote for first-team All-Pro last season, is a beast. In 35 career games, he's compiled 24.5 sacks, including 15.5 in 2021, good for fourth in the NFL. He anchors a superb front seven, which welcomes Arik Armstead back into the fold after he missed time with a knee injury in camp. (And watch out for Javon Kinlaw, whom head coach Kyle Shanahan says "seems more like himself" after having ACL surgery last fall.) Fred Warner is a special player, earning the fourth-best defensive grade from Pro Football Focus among linebackers last season. He's led the team in tackles in each of his four pro seasons thus far, surpassed in that category by only three players (Bobby Wagner, Shaquille Leonard and Roquan Smith) since he joined the NFL in 2018. And Charvarius Ward joins a defensive backfield that helped San Francisco rank sixth in passing yards allowed last season. In short, the core is legit.



DeMeco Ryans picked up the defensive coordinator torch last season when Robert Saleh left to coach the Jets, and the brilliant Ryans didn't miss a beat, pushing the defense to its third consecutive top-five finish in yards allowed. When you combine the talent on the field with Ryans' smarts, you have a potent combo worthy of the No. 1 position here.




Rank
2
Buffalo Bills

The addition of Von Miller to the No. 1 defense (in terms of yards allowed) in 2021 was perfect. Miller might be 33, but he still has a ton of gas left in the tank as a pass rusher, judging by his otherworldly playoff performance with the Rams last season (four sacks in four games). I remain enamored with the talent up front; former first-rounder Gregory Rousseau is coming of a four-sack debut season, while Ed Oliver put up a career-best 10 tackles for loss and 14 QB hits in '21. Miller brings it all together -- the two-time Super Bowl champ will show the Bills the way.



I love coordinator Leslie Frazier's ability to coach up this unit. First-round pick Kaiir Elam was a great addition to a secondary that also features veteran stalwarts Jordan Poyer and Micah Hyde at safety. Whenever two-time Pro Bowl cornerback Tre'Davious White, who went down with a torn ACL in November, makes his way back onto the field, it will be, well, everything for this defense.

Rank
3
Green Bay Packers

The Packers traded away Davante Adams, one of the best receivers in the game today, this offseason. But they still have a great opportunity to make a legitimate Super Bowl run this season. And it's not just because they have a legendary quarterback in Aaron Rodgers -- it's also because they have a lockdown defense.



That's right; these aren't your older brother's Green Bay Packers, asking a top-10 offense to carry a bottom-ranked defense. The front seven is strong, with first-round pick Quay Walker joining tackling machine De'Vondre Campbell and veteran pass rushers Rashan Gary and Preston Smith. The defensive backfield is special. Corner Jaire Alexander, who missed most of last season with a shoulder injury, is a rock star -- and he's paid like it. Alexander will be returning alongside 2021 first-round pick Eric Stokes, who tied for most passes defensed (14) by a rookie last season. Defensive coordinator Joe Barry surely earned the trust of both his players and head coach Matt LaFleur after piloting Green Bay to a ninth-place finish in yards allowed in his first year on the job.



Rank
4
Los Angeles Chargers

Teaming up four-time Pro Bowl pass rusher Joey Bosa with three-time Pro Bowl pass rusher Khalil Mack? Yes, please.



Adding J.C. Jackson to a secondary that also features newly extended safety Derwin James and promising youngster Asante Samuel Jr.? Yes, please -- and thank you!



Bosa and Mack, who have both averaged over nine sacks per season in their NFL careers, are one of the most formidable pass-rushing tandems in the league, while Jackson (22 picks over the past three seasons) is the play-making corner this team has craved. Locking up James, who will hope to build on his 2021 season after missing all of 2020 and much of 2019 with injury, was monumentally important for head coach Brandon Staley's Super Bowl-caliber roster. And don't sleep on the defensive tackle help general manager Tom Telesco brought in to shore up the run defense, which last season pulled a defense that ranked 12th against the pass into the bottom half of the league (23rd) in yards allowed. Free-agent tackle Sebastian Joseph-Day earned the best defensive grade from PFF of his career in 2020, when Staley was his coordinator with the Rams.


Rank
5
Los Angeles Rams

Aaron Donald is the best defensive player who has ever walked the face of the Earth.



OK, now that we have that basic fact of life out of the way, we can delve into the rest of this starry unit. Jalen Ramsey -- who, along with Donald, made the list of players I think should be in the "Madden 99 Club" -- is the best corner in the game. Scooping up linebacker Bobby Wagner after his release by the Seahawks was a stupendous move. The likely first-ballot Hall of Famer will be hungry to win another title -- and show Seattle what it will be missing. I can't wait to see what Raheem Morris, who is a great defensive coordinator, does in Year 2 with the team. L.A.'s regular-season defensive rankings -- 17th in yards allowed and 15th in scoring -- might not be much to look at, but Morris and Co. really turned it on during the championship run: The Rams ranked second among playoff teams in yards allowed per game (282.3) and third in points allowed per game (18.8).

Rank
6
New Orleans Saints

Dennis Allen was promoted to replace Sean Payton as head coach after coaxing the defense to four consecutive top-15 finishes as coordinator, including two straight in the top seven. He's great at what he does. Cam Jordan, who has recorded double-digit sacks in four of the past five seasons, is a stud. The front seven is reliably difficult to run against, helping New Orleans rank fourth or better in run defense in each of the past four seasons. Linebacker Demario Davis is a great leader and tackler. Marshon Lattimore is a play-making corner -- he leads the NFL in passes defensed (74) since the Saints made him a first-round pick in 2017.

Signing veteran safety Tyrann Matthieu was the icing on the cake. The ex-LSU star will bring the kind of sizzle, swagger and experience that can help this defense win big.



Rank
7
Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Like Allen in New Orleans, Todd Bowles was elevated to head coach this offseason after a strong run as the team's defensive coordinator (three straight top-15 finishes). His fingerprints will no doubt remain visible on this defense. He has a sharp mind and a loaded team at his disposal.



Only Bobby Wagner has more tackles than Lavonte David (1,220) since David entered the league in 2012. The veteran David and rising youngster Devin White (fourth in tackles over the past two seasons) form a dynamic linebacking duo. Shaq Barrett has been one of the league's more effective pass rushers, ranking fourth in sacks (37.5) over the past three seasons. Jason Pierre-Paul is gone, but 2021 first-rounder Joe Tryon-Shoyinka can pick up the pass-rushing slack. Vita Vea matched a career high with 12 QB hits last season and set a personal best in sacks (four) en route to his first Pro Bowl nod. Vea is joined on the Bucs' mammoth line by veteran Akiem Hicks, whose signing in free agency was a top-notch move. And corner Carlton Davis, who has more passes defensed than anyone in the NFL in the past three seasons despite missing seven games in 2021, will be back, healthy and newly enriched.



Rank
8
Denver Broncos

Denver is on this list even after saying goodbye to Von Miller via midseason trade last year, and that's in large part because of the clutch addition of pass-rushing ace Randy Gregory as a free agent this offseason. The ex-Cowboy should help provide room for Bradley Chubb, who was held to zero sacks and limited to seven games last season, to reestablish himself as a top-end pass-rushing threat.



Safety Justin Simmons has been a prolifically productive defensive back, piling up 331 tackles over the past four seasons, behind only Cincinnati's Jessie Bates in that span. First-round pick Patrick Surtain II, meanwhile, had more interceptions (four) than any Broncos rookie since Steve Foley also recorded four in 1976. I love Surtain's upside and talent. And the tough D-line was boosted by the addition of D.J. Jones.




Rank
9
Cleveland Browns

Jadeveon Clowney, who put up one of the better seasons of his career last year playing alongside Myles Garrett, was smart to come back for more in 2022. Garrett is a star, one of just three players (along with Aaron Donald and T.J. Watt) to post double-digit sacks in each of the past four seasons. At 26 years old, Garrett is still squarely in his prime. Denzel Ward got paid this offseason, and he'll anchor a truly talented defensive backfield filled with playmakers like Greg Newsome II, Greedy Williams and Grant Delpit. And don't forget about linebacker Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, one of three rookies last season (with the Cowboys' Micah Parsons and the Raiders' Nate Hobbs) to notch 70-plus tackles and four-plus QB hits.



The Browns are going to need their defense to take over and win games during Deshaun Watson's 11-game suspension, and this unit is capable of doing exactly that.

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-s-top-...lls-stand-tall-chargers-loom-after-loadi
Posted By: lampdogg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/23/22 11:50 PM
Thanks, man. I did not know JOK had 70-plus tackles as a rookie.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: NFL Camp News - 08/24/22 01:35 AM
In terms of the spread: we started as about a 4 point favorite and it’s fluctuated for a few weeks. It just means that they are setting the line to receive equal bets on both sides of it. It seems like bettors are counting on our lack of cohesion and a game on the road.

I always watch it the hours up to kickoff though when the sharps come in
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/24/22 11:16 AM
One of the intriguing teams on Schein's list is the Chargers. They have a very nice team on both sides of the ball and Herbert is as talented as any qb league. Their issue is that their HC is a freakin goof. He makes the games more about him and his "feelings" rather than about the team. I don't know if I have ever seen a coach make more in-game boneheaded decisions during a course of a season. He's a fool.

Sean Peyton is out there. Many people think he is going to Dallas after McCarthy blunders his way through another season, but Peyton has said he likes the Chargers' talent. If I were him, I'd choose the Chargers over any other team that would be in the market for a new HC. The drama in Dallas would be exhausting and the Cowboys talent is not nearly as good as the Chargers. The only negative regarding that job are the fans. During Charger games at SoFi Stadium, it's like the Chargers are the visiting team. That would get old real quick for the players and coaches.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: NFL Camp News - 08/24/22 11:36 AM
If I was a fan of any other team I wish it was LAC … i think they have a great roster
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/24/22 12:58 PM
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2022 NFL roster cuts and trades: Dolphins receivers, Browns running backs among deepest units
NFL teams will be keeping a close eye on these roster decisions
Josh Edwards

By Josh Edwards


NFL teams must get down to the 53-player active-roster limit by 4 p.m. Tuesday, Aug. 30. The final week of preseason games is important for fringe roster players to audition for not only their current team, but also the other 31 franchises. Players who do not make the 53-man roster will be susceptible to the waiver system, which means they can be claimed by any other team in order of worst to best record last season. If the player goes through waivers unclaimed, then the initial team has the right to add that player to the practice squad.

If a team has a need to fill and is not willing to wait and see if a player of interest reaches them in the waiver order, then they could be inclined to execute a trade. A total of 23 trades occurred in August 2021, including defensive tackle B.J. Hill and running back Sony Michel, who played meaningful snaps last postseason for the Super Bowl representative Bengals and Rams, respectively. There has only been two trades this year. It is uncommon to find starters through the waiver system but it is more common to identify depth or role players.

Below are some of the units across the league that could be under the watchful eyes of personnel evaluators:

Dolphins wide receivers
Wide receivers Jaylen Waddle, Tyreek Hill and Ced Wilson Jr. would seem to be entrenched in their respective roles. Most teams keep five or six at the position, which leaves Mohamed Sanu, Preston Williams, Lynn Bowden Jr. and fourth-round selection Erik Ezukanma vulnerable. In fact, there has already been a report that Williams and Bowden have been the subject of trade discussions. Bowden has a history returning punts and kicks in college so teams may be more comfortable taking a chance on the former third-round pick knowing that he could fulfill a secondary role.


Cleveland makes sense as a possible destination for the Youngstown native following an injury to wide receiver and kick returner Jakeem Grant.

Patriots defensive backs
Every head coach in the NFL covets depth and talent in the secondary but few are capable of cultivating it the way Bill Belichick has over the years. Malcolm Butler, Myles Bryant, Jonathan Jones and J.C. Jackson, to name a few, were originally added as undrafted free agents. Jackson signed a lucrative contract with the Chargers this off-season whereas Butler had returned to play a key role for the Patriots this season prior to sustaining an injury. New England may not have a star in the secondary but they have numbers.

At cornerback, the team has Terrance Mitchell, Jalen Mills, Justin Bethel, Shaun Wade, draft picks Jack Jones and Marcus Jones, and the aforementioned Bryant and Jones. At safety, the team has Adrian Phillips, Devin McCourty, Jabrill Peppers, Kyle Dugger and some younger additions.


Scouring rosters in preparation for this article, it became evident that there is a shortage of quality cornerbacks in the NFL. The Falcons, Cardinals, Lions, Giants, Commanders, Texans, Colts and Steelers were among the teams with a potential need at the position.

Browns running backs
Cleveland's dynamic one-two punch of Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt could be in danger for the upcoming season. Hunt requested a trade under the assumption that the Browns were not going to give him a new contract. To this point, the northeast Ohio franchise has been unwilling to meet his demands. Third-string running back D'Ernest Johnson played an integral role in the team's victory over Denver last season when Hunt and Chubb were sidelined with injuries. In fact, he had three games in which he rushed for 99-plus yards. Rookie Jerome Ford has been fantastic in training camp thus far. Last year's sixth-round pick, Demetric Felton Jr., is of a smaller build but has been a contributor in both the run and pass games. Considering most teams do not retain more than four running backs, it is hard to fathom Cleveland finding room for all five unless Felton is moved to wide receiver.





Jets offensive and defensive lines
Personnel executives who have spent time in Philadelphia with executive vice president and general manager Howie Roseman often have a strategy to build depth in the trenches. Andrew Berry in Cleveland and Joe Douglas in New York have followed a similar model. The Jets' starting offensive line, from left to right, is Duane Brown, Laken Tomlinson, Connor McGovern, Alijah Vera-Tucker and George Fant. Beyond the first wave, reserves Caleb Benenoch, Conor McDermott, Nate Herbig, Chuma Edoga, Ross Pierschbacher and Dan Feeney all have meaningful playing experience. Fourth-round selection Max Mitchell should add functional depth on the corner. There is simply not enough room on the roster to keep them all.


On the other side of the ball, New York drafted edge rushers Jermaine Johnson II and Michael Clemons to compete with Carl Lawson, Jacob Martin and Vinny Curry. Sliding inside, the team has Quinnen Williams, John Franklin-Myers, Sheldon Rankins and Solomon Thomas; three of which were first-round draft choices. Tanzel Smart and Nathan Shepherd have also logged professional snaps.

Buccaneers wide receivers
Not only did Tampa Bay retain Chris Godwin, they signed Russell Gage and Julio Jones this off-season to go along with four-time Pro Bowl selection Mike Evans. Scotty Miller, Jaelon Darden, Breshad Perriman and Tyler Johnson are also rostered. Those are the names of eight wide receivers before factoring in whether or not undrafted free agents Deven Thompkins, Jerreth Sterns or Kaylon Geiger could develop into a product worth continued investment.

Chiefs defensive line
Kansas City has had an interior defensive line rotation featuring Chris Jones, Tershawn Wharton, Derrick Nnadi and Khalen Saunders the past two years. The Chiefs experimented with Jones on the edge last season before ultimately moving him back to his most proficient position; the presence of first-round edge rusher George Karlaftis should ensure he remains there. Veteran additions Danny Shelton and Taylor Stallworth mean that the franchise is three-deep along the interior defensive line and a potential match for an opposition looking for help.


49ers edge rushers
Nick Bosa is the crown jewel of San Francisco's defense but the team has become known for taking on athletically gifted players yet to reach their potential in the NFL. Defensive line coach Kris Kocurek and the team's usage of a wide-9 alignment are appealing to young players looking for a fresh start. Some of this year's projects include Charles Omenihu, Kemoko Turay, Jordan Willis and a second stint with Kerry Hyder Jr.

A second-round pick was used on Drake Jackson, whose talent could allow him to be special in time. There is little professional production behind Bosa but teams like Pittsburgh and Miami are in need of depth on the edge.

Patriots running backs
The revolving door has been turning a bit in New England but there remains one constant among the franchise's running backs: depth. Despite James White announcing his retirement during training camp and Michel being traded this time a year ago, the Patriots return Damien Harris, Rhamondre Stevenson and J.J. Taylor. They signed veteran Ty Montgomery and drafted Pierre Strong Jr. and Kevin Harris. A year ago, five running backs and a fullback made the initial active roster.


Eagles defensive line
One would assume that Javon Hargrave, Fletcher Cox, Milton Williams and first-round selection Jordan Davis have secured their respective positions on the opening day roster. Philadelphia has some intriguing young players beyond that standout interior core, including Marlon Tuipulotu, Renell Wren and Marvin Wilson. With the branches of Roseman's executive tree stretching across the league, there are reasons to believe another franchise may be willing to dip its toes in the talent pool.

Raiders defensive line
Last week's release of veteran defensive tackle Vernon Butler certainly impacted the depth of that front assembly, but there are additional options that could help fill out another team's roster. Rookies Neil Farrell Jr. and Matthew Butler are going to be given every chance to make the roster. Johnathan Hankins and Bilal Nichols probably have the upper hand to start if healthy. They also have veterans Andrew Billings, Kyle Peko, Kendal Vickers and Tyler Lancaster; each having varying levels of success at this level.


https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...ch-team-cowboys-find-special-teams-star/
Posted By: Damanshot Re: NFL Camp News - 08/24/22 01:22 PM
Did Vers just say that JB is better than Mayfield?
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: NFL Camp News - 08/24/22 02:00 PM
Originally Posted by Damanshot
Did Vers just say that JB is better than Mayfield?


I think you are a little late to the dance. All of that has been discussed. I have found it helpful to keep reading the thread before commenting on the 1st comment that catches your eye.
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: NFL Camp News - 08/24/22 02:33 PM
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
I have found it helpful to keep reading the thread before commenting on the 1st comment that catches your eye.


This might be one of the most overlooked and underrated 'skills' on this board.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/24/22 04:10 PM
Looking at the above article about who might become available, I think these two are interesting.


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Eagles defensive line
One would assume that Javon Hargrave, Fletcher Cox, Milton Williams and first-round selection Jordan Davis have secured their respective positions on the opening day roster. Philadelphia has some intriguing young players beyond that standout interior core, including Marlon Tuipulotu, Renell Wren and Marvin Wilson. With the branches of Roseman's executive tree stretching across the league, there are reasons to believe another franchise may be willing to dip its toes in the talent pool.


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Dolphins wide receivers
Wide receivers Jaylen Waddle, Tyreek Hill and Ced Wilson Jr. would seem to be entrenched in their respective roles. Most teams keep five or six at the position, which leaves Mohamed Sanu, Preston Williams, Lynn Bowden Jr. and fourth-round selection Erik Ezukanma vulnerable. In fact, there has already been a report that Williams and Bowden have been the subject of trade discussions. Bowden has a history returning punts and kicks in college so teams may be more comfortable taking a chance on the former third-round pick knowing that he could fulfill a secondary role.
Posted By: Pdawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/24/22 04:27 PM
Erik Ezukanma tore it up against the Raiders. I don’t see him getting cut. There has been talk about Bowden coming home to fill in for Grant.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/24/22 04:30 PM
You are probably right. I posted those because those teams had an excess of talent at those particular positions. I was thinking more about Bowden, in part because it was mentioned that he had a history of returning kicks and punts.

Whoops. I wrote my post before I saw your edit.
Posted By: Pdawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/24/22 04:38 PM
Bowden would be good to bring in. I’m personally more worried about DT. Elliot has gotten praise. I don’t know if he deserves it or not. He made one play in the opener, then I didn’t hear from him again. I know he didn’t play that many snaps so maybe that’s why he disappeared. I know nothing about those DYs from Philly. Do you have any insight?
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/24/22 04:42 PM
I'm way more worried about the DTs, as well. I know two guys didn't play on Sunday, but the DT play was as bad as it gets. I'll believe Elliot is good when I see it. Not saying it isn't going to happen, but I was astounded last year how easily he was blocked. He was moved all over the place and could not shed blocks. He's young, though.

I don't know a thing about the Philly guys that might be available. I was just going by what the author said. I think we desperately need help at DT.
Posted By: Homewood Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/24/22 05:07 PM
If teams can run on us it will be the same old story. It's amazing how long we've had this problem and yet it hasn't been corrected. If teams can run on us it takes away from our D's strength. Pass rushing and a good coverage secondary.
Posted By: Pdawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/24/22 05:54 PM
Posted By: Milk Man Re: NFL Camp News - 08/25/22 08:28 PM
j/c...

Whoa. Aaron Donald to be suspended like Myles Garrett?

Posted By: PortlandDawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/25/22 08:35 PM
Well Myles’ suspension set a precedence. I expect the NFL to… not go by that because… well, it’s the NFL, but by precedence Aaron should expect to be suspended indefinitely.

LOL no way Goodell does it. No way.
Posted By: Pdawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/25/22 08:54 PM
Posted By: jfanent Re: NFL Camp News - 08/25/22 08:55 PM
I can't wait to hear the rationale for not suspending Donald over this.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/25/22 09:32 PM
Originally Posted by PortlandDawg
Well Myles’ suspension set a precedence. I expect the NFL to… not go by that because… well, it’s the NFL, but by precedence Aaron should expect to be suspended indefinitely.

LOL no way Goodell does it. No way.

Yep - Unless the NFL grows a pair. I don't care that "Teams not NFL oversee conduct at practice " ... this easily falls into damaging the NFL's reputation. He should face a ban without question.
Posted By: cfrs15 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/25/22 09:36 PM
Obviously the rule is dumb but it’s not like the made the rule because of this.
Posted By: FATE Re: NFL Camp News - 08/25/22 09:45 PM
Originally Posted by Pdawg


So, player safety is not a concern if it's not on national TV?

If there's no stage for public outrage, a player can rip off a helmet and swing at multiple people without punishment?

Seems about right.
Posted By: cfrs15 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/25/22 10:41 PM
I am now glad we didn’t draft the punt god.
Posted By: FATE Re: NFL Camp News - 08/25/22 11:01 PM
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 12:01 AM
Baker fans say:

#notegregious

#notapredator

#billsdidhomework

#boysbeingboys
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 12:11 AM
Class move by Chiefs. They ran Mahomes out there and lined up in the Choir huddle to Len Dawson who passed away yesterday. He didn't run a play, but I thought that was very classy.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 12:17 AM
Cowboys questionable offseason moves proving costly. They traded Cooper for a song and now they have injuries at WR. they let Collins walk and now Tyron Smith is out until December. Gregory left for Denver....what's next?

Dallas is the one team in the NFL that I truly despise. Probably because of all the unwarranted hype they receive.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 12:19 AM
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 12:20 AM
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
Baker fans say:

#notegregious

#notapredator

#billsdidhomework

#boysbeingboys

What? How did you drag Baker into this?
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 12:22 AM
Damn, that's disturbing.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 12:36 AM
Of course.

Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 12:44 AM
Not a violation of the PCP. Pfffttttt
Posted By: FrankZ Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 12:54 AM
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
Not a violation of the PCP. Pfffttttt

Unless, of course, the NFL decides to change the definition after the fact.
Posted By: Pdawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 01:13 AM
Posted By: Pdawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 01:14 AM
Posted By: Pdawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 01:19 AM
Screw Booger. He is the biggest hypocrite in the media. Where is the statement from the NFL? This whole thing is crap. If I was Myles I’d be pissed with how I was treated and how they are treating Darnold. I didn’t know you can break the player conduct policy at a joint practice but everywhere else you’re fair game.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 01:20 AM


Posted By: archbolddawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 01:56 AM
Well, the law applies to him.
Posted By: Pdawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 02:00 AM
I thought Terell Pryor was punished for tattoo gate even though it happened in college? Dis the CBA change in regards to this since then?
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 02:03 AM
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
Baker fans say:

#notegregious

#notapredator

#billsdidhomework

#boysbeingboys

No, we don't. You're a troll.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 02:09 AM
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
Damn, that's disturbing.


lmao, after defending all the crap DW pulled, now you find this disturbing and take a shot at baker fans? You're fake news.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 02:44 AM
Posted By: Rishuz Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 03:08 AM
Originally Posted by Milk Man
Of course.


This proves it's all about image. One happened on national TV, the other away from the spotlight.

I believe Steven A said Myles should have been charged with assault. Wonder if this new incident even gets any airtime.

Dumb comments like that and Booger's hypocrisy are also further proof that talking heads will say things they hope keeps them employed. While the mob is a very real thing, I'd say a good number of the mob only feign outrage so they don't lose their jobs.
Posted By: FATE Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 08:15 AM
Originally Posted by Rishuz
This proves it's all about image. One happened on national TV, the other away from the spotlight.

I believe Steven A said Myles should have been charged with assault. Wonder if this new incident even gets any airtime.

Dumb comments like that and Booger's hypocrisy are also further proof that talking heads will say things they hope keeps them employed. While the mob is a very real thing, I'd say a good number of the mob only feign outrage so they don't lose their jobs.

QFT. Nailed it.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 09:20 AM
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by Pdawg


So, player safety is not a concern if it's not on national TV?

If there's no stage for public outrage, a player can rip off a helmet and swing at multiple people without punishment?

Seems about right.

I didn't see any of those goofy helmet pads in use. Isn't that a NFL mandate in practice, or are joint practices exempt?

At any rate, if "protecting the brand" as we have heard about in the Watson deal is important, I would think the NFL has to make some sort of move.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 09:25 AM
Reading that transcript of the allegations of the Bills’ punter is disturbing. As I said with Watson, if he is proven guilty, the suspension should be extreme here.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 11:41 AM
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it's all about image.

100%
Posted By: bonefish Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 01:00 PM
This will be interesting to follow.

NFL at work.

Posted By: mgh888 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 01:31 PM
It will take some major air play on the major sporting networks to get any legs.
Posted By: bonefish Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 02:38 PM
I don't know. Everything about NFL football is covered to the point of exhaustion.

If someone farts everyone smells it.

I don't know what will be done.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 03:23 PM
j/c...

Bring Josh home! brownie

Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 03:33 PM
The grind?
Posted By: bonefish Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 03:35 PM
"First Take."

What crap. Player conduct code apparently does apply to at a scrimmage. So, in a game Myles takes a swing with a helmet and is suspended.

Aaron Donald does it at a scrimmage and it should be excused. Stephen A says no suspension but he should be fined. The others oh it's practice it happens.

What is violent assault? How about a NFL player swinging a NFL helmet at another player? What if it hits someone with no helmet on?

A fight in pads. Yes it happens. When you take a helmet off and swing it as a weapon. Please.

The league then says oh it is up to the team when at practice to control their players. OK sure the Rams are going to suspend Donald.

Good old NFL so consistent
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 04:07 PM
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
Baker fans say:

#notegregious

#notapredator

#billsdidhomework

#boysbeingboys

You obviously haven't been paying attention. That would be watson fans.
Posted By: cfrs15 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 04:27 PM
It’s literally in the rules.
Posted By: FloridaFan Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 05:02 PM
Persons who fail to live up to this standard of conduct are guilty of conduct detrimental and subject to discipline, even where the conduct itself does not result in conviction of a crime. Discipline may be imposed in any of the following circumstances:
Criminal offenses including, but not limited to, those involving: the use or threat of violence; domestic violence and other forms of partner abuse; theft and other property crimes; sex offenses; obstruction or resisting arrest; disorderly conduct; fraud; racketeering; and money laundering;
Criminal offenses relating to steroids and prohibited substances, or substances of abuse;
Violent or threatening behavior among employees, whether in or outside the workplace;
Possession of a gun or other weapon in any workplace setting, including but not limited to stadiums, team facilities, training camp, locker rooms, team planes, buses, parking lots, etc., or unlawful possession of a weapon outside of the workplace;
Conduct that imposes inherent danger to the safety and well being of another person;
and Conduct that undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL, NFL clubs, or NFL players.
Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 06:51 PM
Booger is a hypocrite.
Posted By: FrankZ Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 07:14 PM
Originally Posted by FL_Dawg
Booger is a hypocrite.

Behind Collinsworth he is the talking head I find most annoying.
Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 07:38 PM
Originally Posted by FrankZ
Originally Posted by FL_Dawg
Booger is a hypocrite.

Behind Collinsworth he is the talking head I find most annoying.

I am not a fan of modern day ESPN whatsoever.
Posted By: FrankZ Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 08:57 PM
Originally Posted by FL_Dawg
Originally Posted by FrankZ
Originally Posted by FL_Dawg
Booger is a hypocrite.

Behind Collinsworth he is the talking head I find most annoying.

I am not a fan of modern day ESPN whatsoever.

Not going to get me trying to change your mind on that. smile
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 08:58 PM
As soon as I saw the Donald incident I knew (as I’m sure we all did) that it would get about 5% of the traction and outrage that the incident with Garrett received.

In a short time it will be forgotten about.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: NFL Camp News - 08/26/22 09:31 PM
j/c...

Posted By: DaveyD Re: NFL Camp News - 08/27/22 12:28 AM
Baker with 2 TD passes against the Bills. He looks pretty good. The announcers were saying that he has the uncanny ability to read Defenses and go through progressions. Granted he did hit his 3rd read on the 2nd TD pass but that comment had me laughing out loud.

Anyways, we really need to apply constant pressure on Baker when we play him since we know how bad he plays under pressure. If he consistently has time in the pocket, it will be a long day for the Browns. The Panthers D is pretty good as well.
Posted By: Jester Re: NFL Camp News - 08/27/22 12:33 AM
Heard a radio talk guy say something to the effect of: Darnold needs to stop being childish.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: NFL Camp News - 08/27/22 01:56 AM
Well, Darnold was just carted off with a bad ankle injury. Too bad for him
Posted By: bonefish Re: NFL Camp News - 08/27/22 12:13 PM
The NFL which is the owners is like a bad joke.

They apply "their law" when convenient. And don't apply "their law" when it is not.

Forget Watson. This is about them the owners. This is what happens when a "country club" has way to much power.

Please anyone explain how a game and scrimmage is different when it comes to using a helmet as a weapon?

How is the act different?

Posted By: mgh888 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/27/22 12:16 PM
Originally Posted by DaveyD
Baker with 2 TD passes against the Bills. He looks pretty good. The announcers were saying that he has the uncanny ability to read Defenses and go through progressions. Granted he did hit his 3rd read on the 2nd TD pass but that comment had me laughing out loud.

Anyways, we really need to apply constant pressure on Baker when we play him since we know how bad he plays under pressure. If he consistently has time in the pocket, it will be a long day for the Browns. The Panthers D is pretty good as well.

I happened to watch the first 3 drives by CLT - to be fair, the announcers were making it sound like every 2nd and 3rd string RB, TE and WR out to be a potential all star. it was usual rah-rah preseason stuff. Also to be fair Bills blitzed a lot, and Baker was getting the ball out quickly enough and was hitting receivers hands. But it was against 2nd and 3rd string Bills players. The first TD he threw was not a good throw - behind the RB who made a good catch. The 2nd TD was very good. But the Browns will be a completely different level of D - and our speed with JOK and in our secondary is 2 levels above what the Bills had last night.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/27/22 12:36 PM
In her ruling, Judge Robinson said this about the NFL:


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“The NFL may be a ‘forward-facing’ organization, but it is not necessarily a forward-looking one,” Judge Robinson wrote. “Just as the NFL responded to violent conduct [committed by former Ravens running back Ray Rice] after a public outcry, so it seems the NFL is responding to yet another public outcry about Mr. Watson’s conduct. At least in the former situation, the Policy was changed and applied proactively. Here, the NFL is attempting to impose a more dramatic shift in its culture without the benefit of fair notice to — and consistency of consequence for — those in the NFL subject to the Policy.”

It's not about being proactive and doing the right thing w/the NFL. It's about being reactive to public opinion. I fully understand that NFL rules say that teams will handle punishment for issues that occur during practice, but what kind of policy is that when you have two opposing teams on the field during a practice? Is committing a crime okay if you do it in one location but not another? I actually do understand that things happen in a team's individual practice. I've witnessed and participated in a few of them. However, it's a different animal when you have two opposing teams on the practice field. Once again, the NFL is demonstrating that it is not a "forward-looking" organization.
Posted By: bonefish Re: NFL Camp News - 08/27/22 01:03 PM
All that matters is the act of using a helmet as a weapon.

Boogar " Myles broke the code, he should be charged with assault" "other like Eisen throw him in jail."

You may as well say "it's ok to punch your wife in the face as long as you do it at home."

This kind of BS really gets to me.

What happened to protection of players? People at practice are now wearing special helmets for protection against concussions.

But it is ok to swing a helmet at another player? Oh, it's practice boys will be boys.

Posted By: THROW LONG Re: NFL Camp News - 08/27/22 01:04 PM
Originally Posted by mgh888
The first TD he threw was not a good throw -
brownie
Posted By: jfanent Re: NFL Camp News - 08/27/22 01:16 PM
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Boogar " Myles broke the code, he should be charged with assault"

In his first tweeted reaction to the Donald incident, he says "And let’s check in on another joint practice. Lol". He had such outrage when MG did the same thing, he almost had tears in his eyes. What a frickin' phony.
Posted By: bonefish Re: NFL Camp News - 08/27/22 01:54 PM
"The NFL" should tell the Rams suspend him or we will.

If two teams are on the field be it a scrimmage, pre-season game, or regular game and a player is assaulted with a helmet.

Automatic six games. If there is another case with the same player a full year.

There is no way that this should be left unpunished. Let's wait till the injury is really serious.
Then what?

Then the "The NFL" should be sued.

Posted By: Jester Re: NFL Camp News - 08/27/22 02:41 PM
Seriously, if he did this walking down the street he would get suspended.
Posted By: jaybird Re: NFL Camp News - 08/27/22 03:01 PM
I don't understand how he's not suspended... he ripped a helmet off... hit someone with it twice... 100% should be suspended at least a couple of games...
Posted By: bonefish Re: NFL Camp News - 08/27/22 03:26 PM
Law is mostly based upon precedence.

He should get exactly what Myles got. Exactly.
Posted By: Bull_Dawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/27/22 04:26 PM
The guy he hit should press charges and take it out of the league's hands somewhat. Or the Cincinnati PD. There's plenty of evidence.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: NFL Camp News - 08/27/22 05:00 PM
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
I fully understand that NFL rules say that teams will handle punishment for issues that occur during practice

You just don't like the rule. Once again, the CBA is agreed to by both the union and the owners. It's a contractual agreement.

Does that make it great? No, it doesn't.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: NFL Camp News - 08/27/22 05:29 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
I fully understand that NFL rules say that teams will handle punishment for issues that occur during practice

You just don't like the rule. Once again, the CBA is agreed to by both the union and the owners. It's a contractual agreement.

Does that make it great? No, it doesn't.

I'm not so sure it's even a rule. The CBA language could be interpreted that the NFL has the right to suspend him (they definitely will not) as actions did occur on a playing field.

If the the public and media outcry was loud enough the NFL would act. The media brushed this off and moved on to the next story. It was the league's own NFL Network that quickly came out and said the NFL doesn't intervene on what happens in practices. The NFL does not want to suspend Aaron Donald.

From the CBA:

Fines or suspensions imposed upon players for unnecessary roughness or
unsportsmanlike conduct on the playing field with respect to an opposing player or players
shall be determined initially by a person appointed by the Commissioner after consultation
concerning the person being appointed with the Executive Director of the NFLPA, as
promptly as possible after the event(s) in question.


https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows....aining-Agreement-Final-Executed-Copy.pdf
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: NFL Camp News - 08/27/22 05:37 PM
You do know the media covers what people get outraged over, right? I mean it's not like they report stories nobody cares about. Vers said it was a rule. Sometimes I find it amazing what people place high on their priority list to get enraged about in the big picture scheme of things. The things they think deserve to be dealt with harshly compared to the things they don't.
Posted By: bonefish Re: NFL Camp News - 08/27/22 06:44 PM
Do you remember the outrage against Myles and rightfully so for what he did?

Eisen wanted Rudolph to sue.

Boogar McFarland "if I am the Steelers I would press charges."

A NFL player swinging a helmet could kill someone. That is no exaggeration.

Scrimmage, pre-season game, Super Bowl is there a difference? Do nothing and wait for it again to see what happens?

There is tape of what took place. No guesswork. Not he said she said.

They gave Myles an indefinate suspension. Precedence for the exact same thing.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: NFL Camp News - 08/27/22 06:57 PM
I remember Browns fans on this very board who thought the exact things you mentioned being said about Myles were ridiculous too. Here's a hint. It's all about what uniform a player wears and that's all it's ever about. And there's a long standing precedence of the NFL not being involved in these incidents during preseason too. I'm not saying whether it's right or it's wrong. What I'm saying is that Browns fans upheld Myles for this exact same thing. Now that's it's a player for a different team they're singing a different song. If they thought Myles was treated unfairly, why are they now expecting unfair treatment be handed out to a player of another team? Revenge of what they consider to unfair treatment? Because of the uniform he wears. That explains a lot of things around here.
Posted By: bonefish Re: NFL Camp News - 08/27/22 07:15 PM
I can only speak for myself.

When I saw what Myles did. I thought he should be suspended indefinitely.

And I don't see this as any different at all.

That is an assault with a deadly weapon. It is not a gun. But if a guy like Myles or Donold connects to a unprotected head. The helmet is not giving in; the head will.

The "NFL" needs to send a clear message that this can not be tolerated.

This was not one team at practice. It was a scrimmage against two teams that were in the Super Bowl. These scrimmages have replaced a pre-season game.

For "the NFL" to hide behind "this is practice and the teams are responsible" is total BS.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: NFL Camp News - 08/27/22 07:37 PM
Posted By: jfanent Re: NFL Camp News - 08/27/22 08:09 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
I remember Browns fans on this very board who thought the exact things you mentioned being said about Myles were ridiculous too. Here's a hint. It's all about what uniform a player wears and that's all it's ever about. And there's a long standing precedence of the NFL not being involved in these incidents during preseason too. I'm not saying whether it's right or it's wrong. What I'm saying is that Browns fans upheld Myles for this exact same thing. Now that's it's a player for a different team they're singing a different song. If they thought Myles was treated unfairly, why are they now expecting unfair treatment be handed out to a player of another team? Revenge of what they consider to unfair treatment? Because of the uniform he wears. That explains a lot of things around here.

There you go, claiming hypocrisy where there is none. It's the inconsistent punishment for a similar action that has people angry, not the action itself. What people felt at the time Myles committed his act is irrelevant.
Posted By: bonefish Re: NFL Camp News - 08/27/22 09:42 PM
Living in Atlanta of course the Falcons are on tv.

So, I am watching their game. Ridder is impressive. I liked him in the draft better than the others.

Mariota will start but it would not be a surprise if it Ridder by the end of the season.

Ridder in some ways athletically is like Mariota. He is fast and has a good arm. I just like how he leads and plays. Super hard worker and very mature.

He accomplished a lot at Cinci. Both him and Ford drove that team to success. I wish Ridder well except when we play them.
Posted By: Rishuz Re: NFL Camp News - 08/27/22 11:48 PM
I liked Ridder a lot in college up until he played Alabama.

But he has been very impressive this preseason.
Posted By: Homewood Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/27/22 11:52 PM
He looks better than Jacoby.....oh no that can't be right!!!
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/28/22 12:51 AM
Really? You too? God, this place is dumb.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/28/22 01:02 AM
Posted By: Homewood Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/28/22 01:45 AM
LOL!!!!
Posted By: Baker_Dawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/28/22 02:09 AM
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog

Wow that is a crazy move. I mean he only (allegedly) assaulted one person, have they not been watching the browns? You can allegedly assault dozens of women and actually get a big contract. Bills are a backwards franchise. They really should follow the Browns lead.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/28/22 02:46 AM
Oh, don't think for a minute that if the GJ doesn't indict that there won't be a lottery for him too.
Posted By: steve0255 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/28/22 07:49 AM
Originally Posted by Baker_Dawg
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog

Wow that is a crazy move. I mean he only (allegedly) assaulted one person, have they not been watching the browns? You can allegedly assault dozens of women and actually get a big contract. Bills are a backwards franchise. They really should follow the Browns lead.

Our culture here is more important than winning football games
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nf...mp;cvid=3e67dac5060511d0e21549c80291312f
Posted By: steve0255 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/28/22 07:51 AM
Originally Posted by Baker_Dawg
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog

Wow that is a crazy move. I mean he only (allegedly) assaulted one person, have they not been watching the browns? You can allegedly assault dozens of women and actually get a big contract. Bills are a backwards franchise. They really should follow the Browns lead.

Our culture here is more important than winning football games
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nf...mp;cvid=3e67dac5060511d0e21549c80291312f
Posted By: mgh888 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/28/22 12:53 PM
At this point, to my knowledge (admittedly not having read too much about this):

They are only allegations.
The allegations came via civil court not a court of law.
The allegations came 12+ months after the events.

It would seem those criteria are the basis for much of the support for Watson - despite the difference in the number of allegations - and maybe that would be enough for many on this board to find a way to root for this kid.
Posted By: jfanent Re: NFL Camp News - 08/28/22 02:21 PM
Originally Posted by mgh888
At this point, to my knowledge (admittedly not having read too much about this):

They are only allegations.
The allegations came via civil court not a court of law.
The allegations came 12+ months after the events.

It would seem those criteria are the basis for much of the support for Watson - despite the difference in the number of allegations - and maybe that would be enough for many on this board to find a way to root for this kid.

Incredible. Not exactly apples to apples as you're implying. We're talking about a gang rape of a minor, in which there's a recorded phone call set up by the San Diego police where Araiza admitted having chlamydia and encouraged her to get tested for STD's. He has not denied having sex with the minor, he only denied having sex with her while she was intoxicated. Why would he even be talking with a minor on the phone?
Posted By: mgh888 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/28/22 02:44 PM
Why would Watson even have 66 different massage therapists?

Posters made excuse after excuse after excuse for Watson ... and it all came down to a "he's not been charged with a crime - the allegations all came through the civil process - he's innocent until proven guilty in a court of law".

All of those things are currently true for the Punt God. So yes, it's different but parts of this are the same. You think that a phone call with a minor is a tipping point where you can ignore all these excuses? Many thought 66 massage therapists, 26 allegations, payments to "managers" for no other reason than 'just because', txt messages about therapists leaving in tears and an experienced police officer stating her team believed Watson guilty of crimes were all tipping points, but then we were accused and belittled by many for having that thought process. So it's different but there are parallels. And the chief Watson Cheerleader in chief waived his pom poms and brought Baker's name and "bakerfan" into this conversation within hours of the story being released... and oddly you didn't comment on that. And to your point, of course there can never be an apples to apples comparison to Watson - unless we ever get another case where there are 26 allegations of sexual misconduct against one player.
Posted By: jfanent Re: NFL Camp News - 08/28/22 03:03 PM
You tied your correlations to "maybe that would be enough for many on this board to find a way to root for this kid." That's either hyperbole or ignorance. Name some of these "many" that would root for this kid.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/28/22 03:26 PM
I am almost certain you know it was hyperbole - but the points and comparisons I drew between Ariaza's case today and some of the main reasons why Watson got support are most certainly true and factual.

As is the observation that Vers - as the most vocal champion for defending Watson - waited no time at all to use an allegation of Rape to try and troll "bakerfan". And again, you didn't find that worth commenting on.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: NFL Camp News - 08/28/22 06:07 PM
Originally Posted by jfanent
What people felt at the time Myles committed his act is irrelevant.

I agree that's what people seem to claim. I mean it doesn't matter what you thought about something then. It only matters now. And of course the reason people feel differently is because of the uniform a player wears.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: NFL Camp News - 08/28/22 06:10 PM
Yeah, but he's just a punter. You know, the kind of player they make an example out of.
Posted By: Dave Re: NFL Camp News - 08/28/22 06:24 PM
Unless I'm mistaken, I thought Donald was swinging the helmet at other helmeted players in a big scrum. A suspend-able offense, IMO, but not the same as conking the bare dome you ripped it off, as Garrett did. That said, Donald should still get 3-4 weeks of unpaid vacay.
Posted By: FATE Re: NFL Camp News - 08/28/22 06:40 PM
Well, the flip side is -- Donald ripped two player's helmets off and started swinging violently at everybody... But I get your point.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/28/22 09:18 PM
Originally Posted by Dave
Unless I'm mistaken, I thought Donald was swinging the helmet at other helmeted players in a big scrum. A suspend-able offense, IMO, but not the same as conking the bare dome you ripped it off, as Garrett did. That said, Donald should still get 3-4 weeks of unpaid vacay.

Like Fate said - I get your point. But Donald ripped tht helmet off a dude ... are you telling me Donald was carefully aiming those swings to avoid hitting the individual that was now helmetless?
Posted By: Dave Re: NFL Camp News - 08/28/22 09:29 PM
Not really telling you anything, but the results of Myles actions - striking an unhelmeted player in the head, especially on national TV, was a very bad look. The results could have been disastrous if Rudolph had been seriously injured. The one thing I will say is whomever Donald ripped the helmets off of were - unlike Rudolph - smart enough to vacate the immediate area.
Posted By: Dave Re: NFL Camp News - 08/28/22 09:36 PM
The other thing I'll say is that the Bengals appeared to close ranks very quickly to protect their guys, unlike the Steelers who didn't seem to want any part of defending their teammate, except for Pouncey and DeCastro.
Posted By: Pdawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/28/22 11:14 PM


They said he had won the starting job
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: NFL Camp News - 08/29/22 02:02 AM
Crazy news. glad to hear he’s okay
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: NFL Camp News - 08/29/22 10:07 AM
Originally Posted by Pdawg


They said he had won the starting job

Sorry to hear this.

I am also sorry I didn't hear this last night as I had to make cuts in one of my keeper leagues and decided to part ways with Antionio Gibson.
Posted By: Pdawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/29/22 04:11 PM
[social:tweet]https://vikingswire.usatoday.com/2022/08/29/minnesota-vikings-release-t-y-mcgill/[/social]

He had a great preseason but hurt his ankle. Not sure how bad. He is 29.
Posted By: Pdawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/29/22 06:19 PM


I wouldn’t mind taking a look.
Posted By: GMdawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/29/22 06:25 PM
I don't know how much he would help. He ran either a 4.51 or 4.61 40 in college. IMO we need a speedy guy who can catch to keep the defenses honest.
Posted By: Pdawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/29/22 06:36 PM
Originally Posted by GMdawg
I don't know how much he would help. He ran either a 4.51 or 4.61 40 in college. IMO we need a speedy guy who can catch to keep the defenses honest.

While I agree with you that we need a speedster that can catch, I would also like a big receiver who can grab 50/50 balls.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/29/22 06:46 PM
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2022 NFL roster bubble: Notable players who could be traded or cut
Published: Aug 25, 2022 at 02:17 PM
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Eric Edholm
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We've now had two straight weeks with roster cutdowns, and yet, there are many more to come. NFL teams must reduce rosters to 53 players by the Aug. 30 deadline.

That means more cuts.

And perhaps more trades, too.

We've already had a few deals happen this preseason, including a trade involving a quarterback. We expect more activity to come at that position, as well.

So here are some better-known veterans who could be on the move prior to the deadline -- either by getting released or via trade.



Mason Rudolph
Mason Rudolph
Pittsburgh Steelers · QB
If Nick Mullens can be traded, then Rudolph certainly can. I'm not at all certain that a deal will come together, and he’s played well this August. Yet, Mitchell Trubisky and Kenny Pickett represent the present and future, respectively, at QB in Pittsburgh.



Pickett’s strong play of late could compel the Steelers to go with two QBs on the 53-man roster to start the season, with seventh-round pick Chris Oladokun a candidate to join the practice squad after being released this week. Trading Rudolph would free up a roster spot and allow Pittsburgh to potentially recoup something of value in return for him now as opposed to hoping he’ll factor into the compensatory-pick formula for 2024.



The biggest question: Do the Steelers want to trade him?

Miami Dolphins
Miami Dolphins
WR
One of the following:

Lynn Bowden Jr.
Preston Williams


Either Bowden or Williams could be on the move, as Miami has more WR depth than it has in years. The strong summer showing of fourth-rounder Erik Ezukanma, who had 114 yards receiving in Saturday’s game versus the Raiders, could help convince the Dolphins to move a receiver or two.



Bowden, who also can play running back, has made a little noise this summer, but it’s been inconsistent. Williams remains listed with the second-team offense after expressing some disappointment over his usage. The Dolphins also have Trent Sherfield and River Cracraft battling hard for roster spots, and neither would be a terrible WR5 option to open the season.



The Dolphins already have shown they’ve been working the phones with the recent trade of Adam Shaheen, even if the deal was later voided. I think they’ll make a noteworthy move or two at cutdowns.

Andre Dillard
Andre Dillard
Philadelphia Eagles · OT
Jalen Reagor
Jalen Reagor
Philadelphia Eagles · WR
Two of the team's recent first-round picks have uncertain futures in Philadelphia and figure to open this season as backups if they stick around. Could one or both be moved? It’ll be fascinating to see how general manager Howie Roseman handles the final touches on the initial 53. Dillard and Reagor both reportedly have done good things in camp. But Dillard is something of a one-position backup to standout LT Jordan Mailata, and Reagor might not be a top-three receiver on the roster.



The Eagles believe they can contend in 2022. Thus sparks a great debate: Better to have insurance at a few key positions? Or would they rather have future trade assets for a team that might not have Super Bowl potential this season?



It’ll also depend on what a team might offer the Eagles in any hypothetical trades and whether they’re comfortable with the other reserve WR and OT options. But I’d venture to guess both players can be had at the right price.

Isaiah Wynn
Isaiah Wynn
New England Patriots · OT
Wynn’s status in New England has been murky since almost the start of the offseason. He’s been shuttled between left and right tackle, was a no-show at some offseason workouts and hasn’t received an extension, due to play on his fifth-year option salary this season. So it’s no shock his name has reportedly been floated in trade talks.



Yodny Cajuste and Mike Onwenu, who also can play guard, both have looked better than Wynn at right tackle this summer, per reports. Trading Wynn also could help get the cap-tight Patriots in better shape financially.



The Cowboys, who just lost Tyron Smith for an extended period, might have to make a call to the Patriots about Wynn if they don't promote someone internally at left tackle. Could Josh McDaniels and the Raiders be interested? With Alex Leatherwood’s continued struggles, the right tackle job in Las Vegas remains undecided.

Terrace Marshall Jr.
Terrace Marshall Jr.
Carolina Panthers · WR
This is pure conjecture here; we’ve heard no credible reports the Panthers are shopping Marshall. But it’s hard not to see Matt Rhule’s frustration mounting with the 2021 second-rounder, who has battled a hamstring injury.



Marshall was back in action last week during the Patriots’ joint practices, but he tweaked the hamstring and did not play in the game. “We need Terrace to start practicing,” Rhule said. “We need him to step up.”



A trade might be a bit of a dramatic step to take at this stage, unless the Panthers truly don’t believe Marshall can overcome the health issues that apparently have followed him from LSU to Charlotte. Other Panthers receivers, including Shi Smith and Rashard Higgins, have stepped up in Marshall’s absence. But is it enough to convince GM Scott Fitterer to trade away one of his first Carolina draft picks?

Darius Slayton
Darius Slayton
New York Giants · WR
Slayton turned in very respectable first and second seasons in 2019 and 2020, but that feels like ages ago -- and they didn't happen with the coaching staff that’s in power now. The Giants suddenly have a glut of wide receivers and are tight against the salary cap, so moving Slayton -- if they’re able -- feels like a no-brainer.



The return wouldn’t be all that exciting for the former fifth-rounder. But the Giants are building for the future, and they very much plan to do it through the draft. That’s the method new GM Joe Schoen helped oversee in Buffalo the past several years, with the Bills emerging as Super Bowl contenders.



They’ll likely take what they can get for Slayton or cut him.

Kansas City Chiefs
Kansas City Chiefs
DL
One of the following:

Khalen Saunders
Taylor Stallworth


The Chiefs are always a team to watch this time of year, given GM Brett Veach's track record of making trades around cutdown time.



This year, Kansas City has a bit more D-line depth than it might have anticipated at one point, especially after the arrivals of Carlos Dunlap and Danny Shelton. Inside, there’s a glut, and it might be tough for both former third-rounder Saunders and summer standout Stallworth to make the initial roster.



Neither would net a ton in return, one might safely assume, although the athletically gifted Saunders could offer a bit more value.

Ross Blacklock
Ross Blacklock
Houston Texans · DT
Colleague Gregg Rosenthal had a line in his NFL Preseason Week 2 recap that caught my eye: “Blacklock, the No. 40 overall pick of the 2020 NFL Draft, appears to be on the outside looking in for a roster spot.” It’s always notable when a former top-40 overall pick is on the bubble two years after a team selected him.



After watching him versus the Rams, we can see why -- getting flagged three times in a two-play span late in the fourth quarter of a preseason game is quite the accomplishment for a bubble player.



Complicating matters: Head coach Lovie Smith said Blacklock, who is nursing a leg injury, won't play against the 49ers in the preseason finale, eliminating the possibility of a Thursday night showcase.



Texans OL Max Scharping, a 2019 second-round pick, might also be in trouble for a roster spot.


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Jimmy Garoppolo
Jimmy Garoppolo
San Francisco 49ers · QB
Garoppolo is a candidate to be cut or traded, but it's pretty obvious which is more likely. Of course, if something dramatic happens to a team's QB depth chart over the next week or so, we can't rule out a desperation deal. But right now, it's hard to imagine a team giving up much of anything for Garoppolo, who is coming off shoulder surgery and carries a quite prohibitive $24.2 million salary. Yes, he's still in his prime years at age 30 and he plays the most important position in sports, but we need to be realistic here.



It also hurts the possibility of a trade that the most likely future destination for Garoppolo might be a division rival in the Seahawks. The Browns also could consider him a bridge option if they're worried about Jacoby Brissett taking over for 11 games while Deshaun Watson serves his suspension.


Where would you most like to see Jimmy Garoppolo play this season? | 'GMFB'
Ian Book
Ian Book
New Orleans Saints · QB
The 2021 fourth-rounder started a game for the Saints as a rookie but might have a hard time finding a roster spot in 2022. The health of Jameis Winston is one factor in the situation, but New Orleans might be comfy with Winston and Andy Dalton as the only two true QBs, along with break-glass-in-case-of-emergency option Taysom Hill, now nominally a tight end.



Book can scramble. But he hasn't been overly impressive in two preseason games, taking seven sacks, throwing two picks and averaging less than 5 yards per pass attempt. Still, if cut, Book certainly would be a candidate for the Saints' practice squad. They appear to value him a bit more than other clubs might.

Ronald Jones
Ronald Jones
Kansas City Chiefs · RB
The handwriting appears to be on the wall for Jones. He entered camp with a shot to unseat Clyde Edwards-Helaire as the starter, but the fifth-year veteran might end it on the cutdown list. Jones clearly has fallen behind CEH, Jerick McKinnon and Isiah Pacheco on the depth chart and appears to be too much of a luxury to guarantee a roster spot.

Miami Dolphins
Miami Dolphins
RB
One of the following:

Salvon Ahmed
Myles Gaskin
Sony Michel


Reading tea leaves with preseason usage is a notoriously unreliable exercise. Was it notable that Gaskin, a 10-game starter last year, was fourth in line at running back behind Chase Edmonds, Ahmed and Michel in the most recent preseason game? Perhaps that was less about Gaskin and more about getting Michel opportunities -- and it's not as if Michel has thrived, getting stopped for no gain on consecutive plays last week and posting a sub-zero preseason rushing average on four carries. The Dolphins will most likely end up having to cut at least one of Gaskin, Michel or Ahmed and could add some RB depth to the practice squad thereafter.

Miles Boykin
Miles Boykin
Pittsburgh Steelers · WR
Pittsburgh’s top three receivers are pretty much locked in: Diontae Johnson, Chase Claypool and rookie George Pickens. It’s a bit unclear how the Steelers will stack the WR depth chart after that, but a spot figures to go to fourth-round rookie Calvin Austin III, who impressed prior to a foot injury (unless he’s placed on IR). There’s also Gunner Olszewski, who has been great this summer (despite a fumble last preseason game) and whose special teams ability will be difficult to replace.



That leaves Boykin in a tricky spot. He’s due to make more than $2.5 million this season, which is a bit rich for a player whose most projectable role might be as a gunner on special teams coverage. It’s a tough call for sure.

Josh Gordon
Josh Gordon
Kansas City Chiefs · WR
It’s quite clear Gordon is battling for a roster spot right now. The Chiefs might love to see him make it; after all, Gordon led all Kansas City wideouts in snaps against the Commanders with 27, including four with the first-team offense.



But the bad news is that Gordon has had a quiet camp, and he didn’t make much noise against Washington (one 10-yard catch on two targets). Could this be his final NFL shot after years of turmoil?


Quintez Cephus
Quintez Cephus
Detroit Lions · WR
Cephus has started games for the Lions the past two seasons and has had some moments; he seems to do his best work versus NFC North opponents. But what is his future with the team? Durability has been an issue, and with August folk hero Tom Kennedy once again destroying the preseason, the Lions might want to keep a more reliable (the word Dan Campbell most often uses when describing Kennedy) option until Jameson Williams is healthy enough to play.

L.J. Collier
L.J. Collier
Seattle Seahawks · DE
The Seahawks seemingly don't know what to do with Collier, the team’s much-maligned first-round pick in 2019. He’s been kicked to multiple spots along the line, asked to gain or lose weight accordingly and hasn’t stayed healthy. That continued this summer with a nagging elbow injury. He has missed both preseason games. Is he a roster lock? I can’t say so for sure.



Perhaps there’s trade value here, or maybe the light comes on in Seattle. But we’re entering Year 4 here, and Collier hasn’t yet built on his semi-promising 2020 season.

Montravius Adams
Montravius Adams
Pittsburgh Steelers · DT
The Steelers snagged Adams after the Saints cut him midseason, and he ended up starting four of his five games in Pittsburgh, earning regular snaps in the rotation and notching a sack of Patrick Mahomes in the playoff loss. But suddenly, Adams appears to be caught up in a numbers game on a fairly deep D-line. Pittsburgh has Cam Heyward, Larry Ogunjobi and Tyson Alualu as roster locks, plus Chris Wormley, DeMarvin Leal and Isaiahh Loudermilk as younger players with more perceived upside. Adams might be on the outside looking in, though he likely can find work elsewhere.

San Francisco 49ers
San Francisco 49ers
Edge
One of the following:

Kerry Hyder
Kemoko Turay
Jordan Willis


San Francisco has a clear-cut top three on the edges: Nick Bosa, Samson Ebukam and impressive rookie Drake Jackson. After that, there are some really appealing options, including Charles Omenihu, Hyder, Turay and Willis. Alex Barrett, who has put his best foot forward, also can’t be counted out.



That’s eight edge rushers; they’re not keeping all of them. After the three locks, it’s hard to say which two or three (or four?!) they’ll keep. If the 49ers can’t trade one of, say, Hyder, Turay or Willis -- just a guess here -- they almost certainly will be forced to make a tough cut of a player who has a high likelihood of being claimed.

Jaquiski Tartt
Jaquiski Tartt
Philadelphia Eagles · S
Although Tartt signed a modest, one-year deal in June, it looked like there was an open freeway to a role on defense, considering safety was one of the Eagles' few positions of need this offseason that had not been fully addressed. But best-laid plans and all, Tartt has struggled to consistently make his impact felt this summer. The good news, if you care to look at it that way, is that other than Marcus Epps, few other Eagles safeties have done much notable, either. Still, Philly could opt to go younger here or scour the wire for help.

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https://www.nfl.com/news/2022-nfl-roster-bubble-notable-players-who-could-be-traded-or-cut
Posted By: superbowldogg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/29/22 07:25 PM
I would rather have a 4.75 receiver that catches the ball 95% of the time than a 4.27 WR that drops 60% of the passes
Posted By: oobernoober Re: NFL Camp News - 08/29/22 07:28 PM
Not trying to argue... but the unfortunate reality is, regardless of which bucket they fit into, anyone picked up at this point in the off-season probably won't help us all that much.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/29/22 07:28 PM
j/c:

P-dawg and I discussed this guy before. He's a pretty damn good receiver.



Posted By: Pdawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/29/22 07:41 PM
Slayton has had 2 seasons with over 700 yards. Last year wasn’t as good because he was moved down the receiver list
Posted By: Pdawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/29/22 08:33 PM
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: NFL Camp News - 08/29/22 09:15 PM
I’d like Slayton
Posted By: Milk Man Re: NFL Camp News - 08/29/22 09:27 PM
j/c...



Posted By: bonefish Re: NFL Camp News - 08/29/22 09:29 PM
This is just an opinion on Brady.

I respect the guy and all he has accomplished. But I think he is going to look human this year.

45 is 45 even with his diet and conditioning. The big thing is the team is different. No Gronk. OL missing key guys.

He is going to feel 45 this season as it drags on and he is getting rushed up the middle. He will get frustrated. His family and life outside will wear on his mind.

You can not play forever. Age gets you in many ways not just your body.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: NFL Camp News - 08/29/22 09:35 PM
Would not have hated to see the Browns go after Shenault.

Posted By: steve0255 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/29/22 09:36 PM
Browns claim WR Easop Winston from New Orleans - He played in 3 games as a punt returner for the Saints last year - didn't see any field time as a WR.
Posted By: cfrs15 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/29/22 09:41 PM
Originally Posted by steve0255
Browns claim WR Easop Winston from New Orleans - He played in 3 games as a punt returner for the Saints last year - didn't see any field time as a WR.

News from two weeks ago.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: NFL Camp News - 08/29/22 09:42 PM
Shenault is one I would have liked going after as well, as long as the price was right
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: NFL Camp News - 08/29/22 09:48 PM
Just checked under Panthers News, because (why not) and, II:30 am, Panthers may look for a proven veteran WR.

then, from 2 hours ago, the Jaguars have traded WR Laviska Shenault to the Panthers.
So.
Posted By: superbowldogg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/29/22 10:04 PM
Originally Posted by bonefish
This is just an opinion on Brady.

I respect the guy and all he has accomplished. But I think he is going to look human this year.

.


sadly, everyone has been saying this for the last 10 years LOL
Posted By: bonefish Re: NFL Camp News - 08/29/22 10:15 PM
The rent comes due on everyone.

I saw his press conference after his absence. He looked gaunt. He said I am forty-five with a lots going on in life.

I think he is seeing the future very clearly.
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: NFL Camp News - 08/29/22 10:23 PM
The Dolphins cut Sony Michel AND Muhamid Sanu, I wonder if Sanu has anything left in the tank.
Posted By: bonefish Re: NFL Camp News - 08/29/22 11:17 PM
Interesting data on injury in practice, pre-season, and regular season.

https://www.nfl.com/playerhealthandsafety/health-and-wellness/injury-data/injury-data
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: NFL Camp News - 08/30/22 12:46 PM
j/c:

Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/30/22 01:09 PM
I have no idea if Araiza is guilty or not. I do agree w/what the parents are saying. I think it is disgusting that the Court of Public Opinion has the power to slap a guilty verdict on a professional athlete and can determine whether or not they play. I thought we have evolved beyond the witch hunts of days long gone by. I thought the legal system should determine one's guilt or innocence. Giving power to mean-spirited, small-minded people is an example of the devolution of mankind.
Posted By: Rishuz Re: NFL Camp News - 08/30/22 01:15 PM
I don't know if he is innocent or guilty, but this is why I rail against the virtue signaling mob so much. It's scary. Then you add an organization like the NFL that amplifies the virtue signaling mob and gives them a platform because all they care about is perception and money, and you better hope you are never accused of anything.

It won't be long, if it hasn't happened already, where there will be carefully orchestrated conspiracies to get rid of certain players. Accusations are fact and it if you want to get rid of someone that's all you'll need.
Posted By: FloridaFan Re: NFL Camp News - 08/30/22 02:18 PM
I agree, this information should not be public, unless they are convicted, or at least until they have their day in court.

Even if he turns out to be innocent, the damage is done. He will probably have missed his NFL opportunity.

If he is guilty, let the justice system handle it.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: NFL Camp News - 08/30/22 02:26 PM
j/c...

Posted By: Hammer Re: NFL Camp News - 08/30/22 02:31 PM
Accusations are facts is so true in today's society. All started with the Duke lacrosse team.
Posted By: Pdawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/30/22 02:54 PM


Tampa is loaded at receiver. He is young and had 36 for 360 last year.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/30/22 03:04 PM
I was thinking about him, but Preston Williams might be more desirable.

Thoughts?
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/30/22 03:07 PM
Posted By: Pdawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/30/22 03:11 PM
Posted By: Pdawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/30/22 03:16 PM
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
I was thinking about him, but Preston Williams might be more desirable.

Thoughts?

I would prefer Williams because of his size. Johnson is 6’1 but that doesn’t come close to Williams. Johnson is slower, even though he has been productive.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 08/30/22 03:20 PM
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: NFL Camp News - 08/30/22 03:26 PM
Originally Posted by Rishuz
I don't know if he is innocent or guilty, but this is why I rail against the virtue signaling mob so much. It's scary. Then you add an organization like the NFL that amplifies the virtue signaling mob and gives them a platform because all they care about is perception and money, and you better hope you are never accused of anything.

It won't be long, if it hasn't happened already, where there will be carefully orchestrated conspiracies to get rid of certain players. Accusations are fact and it if you want to get rid of someone that's all you'll need.

It is going on far beyond football.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: NFL Camp News - 08/30/22 04:23 PM
Originally Posted by FloridaFan
I agree, this information should not be public, unless they are convicted, or at least until they have their day in court.

Even if he turns out to be innocent, the damage is done. He will probably have missed his NFL opportunity.

If he is guilty, let the justice system handle it.

Disagree. Dude's leg is an absolute weapon. If he's innocent, he'll get snatched up ala Kareem Hunt (note: Hunt wasn't even innocent). To your point, if it was someone that was further down the depth chart you'd probably be correct.


I somewhat agree that 'innocent until proven guilty' might not always apply to these guys (like this situation), but I don't think that means you should hide this from the public.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: NFL Camp News - 08/30/22 04:39 PM
Tyler Johnson please!
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: NFL Camp News - 08/30/22 05:41 PM
Originally Posted by bonefish
This is just an opinion on Brady.

I respect the guy and all he has accomplished. But I think he is going to look human this year.

45 is 45 even with his diet and conditioning. The big thing is the team is different. No Gronk. OL missing key guys.

He is going to feel 45 this season as it drags on and he is getting rushed up the middle. He will get frustrated. His family and life outside will wear on his mind.

You can not play forever. Age gets you in many ways not just your body.

I'm certainly not saying you're wrong because you are 100% correct that age catches up with us all eventually. The issue I have is I thought the exact same thing when he was 43 and 44.
Posted By: bonefish Re: NFL Camp News - 08/30/22 06:31 PM
I don't think the team is that good. There is a new coach. They lost key guys on the OL.

Aging is like compound interest once you hit 40.

So, it is a combination of things. Brady has always been "all ball." Perfect practice makes perfect.

His press conference he did not look the same to me. His face is drawn. He said "I am 45 man - alot **** going on.

He took 13 days off. It is not that he has not earned that. It is something he never would have done before.

Believe me it is not knock. I remember Ali fighting Holmes. I was in tears.

It is not just the body. It is also the will.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: NFL Camp News - 08/30/22 06:57 PM
Yikes.

As a Browns fan, I recognize this sort of bad drafting as all too familiar.



Posted By: Hammer Re: NFL Camp News - 08/30/22 07:02 PM
Mayock was so bad - right up there with the horrible GMs of the Browns of the past.
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: NFL Camp News - 08/30/22 07:03 PM
It's funny that the Raiders (and fans) thought Mike Mayock would be good at his job because he was once a draft analyst on the NFL network and Gruden wouldn't be a boomer coach rivaling Jeff Fisher and catch-up to the current NFL. It's why Louis Riddick gets GM interviews because he was an analyst on drafts and does game announcing, or kinda like Bernie Kosar Syndrome for some Browns' fans. Just because he played QB back in the 80s, he should interview for the OC job! (admittedly, I haven't seen this in a couple of years)
Posted By: hitt Re: NFL Camp News - 08/30/22 07:05 PM
Old saying we, the boys, know well- happy wife, happy life- he's a husband with kids and, JMHO, his wife is letting him know football really isn't the end all, be all. As far as his body- hell, the way he eats, trains, he's 45 but body wise like he's mid thirties. Go Browns!!!
Posted By: Milk Man Re: NFL Camp News - 08/30/22 07:22 PM
Originally Posted by MemphisBrownie
It's funny that the Raiders (and fans) thought Mike Mayock would be good at his job because he was once a draft analyst on the NFL network and Gruden wouldn't be a boomer coach rivaling Jeff Fisher and catch-up to the current NFL. It's why Louis Riddick gets GM interviews because he was an analyst on drafts and does game announcing, or kinda like Bernie Kosar Syndrome for some Browns' fans. Just because he played QB back in the 80s, he should interview for the OC job! (admittedly, I have seen this in a couple of years)

I'm going to be pushing hard for Jim Tressel if/when Stefanski is ever let go!

Side note, the Browns interviewing Mike Singletary for the GM position to knock out the Rooney Rule was a wild one.
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: NFL Camp News - 08/30/22 07:25 PM
The timing is rather advantageous since Tressel is retiring/retired. Coincidence?......I think not!

As long as he doesn't play the same hand as Urban Meyer (Pun intended)
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: NFL Camp News - 08/30/22 07:30 PM
This is what happens when you hire some supposed know it all TV analyst to actually be an NFL GM. It's why no fans should ever take a TV draft analyst seriously. Sure, a former NFL GM can become a draft analyst but as has been proven, it doesn't work so well the other way around.
Posted By: FATE Re: NFL Camp News - 08/30/22 08:16 PM
Originally Posted by Milk Man
Side note, the Browns interviewing Mike Singletary for the GM position to knock out the Rooney Rule was a wild one.

I liked that he showed up with a bunch of binders under his arm like a door-to-door insurance salesman from the '70s.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: NFL Camp News - 08/30/22 08:36 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by Milk Man
Side note, the Browns interviewing Mike Singletary for the GM position to knock out the Rooney Rule was a wild one.

I liked that he showed up with a bunch of binders under his arm like a door-to-door insurance salesman from the '70s.

"Let me ask, do you have a whole life policy? Universal life? An annuity? No, well today's your lucky day! Well, it's not too late. Let's have a seat to discuss your best options."
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: NFL Camp News - 08/30/22 09:15 PM
Originally Posted by Milk Man
Originally Posted by MemphisBrownie
It's funny that the Raiders (and fans) thought Mike Mayock would be good at his job because he was once a draft analyst on the NFL network and Gruden wouldn't be a boomer coach rivaling Jeff Fisher and catch-up to the current NFL. It's why Louis Riddick gets GM interviews because he was an analyst on drafts and does game announcing, or kinda like Bernie Kosar Syndrome for some Browns' fans. Just because he played QB back in the 80s, he should interview for the OC job! (admittedly, I have seen this in a couple of years)

I'm going to be pushing hard for Jim Tressel if/when Stefanski is ever let go!

Side note, the Browns interviewing Mike Singletary for the GM position to knock out the Rooney Rule was a wild one.
No way.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: NFL Camp News - 08/31/22 01:15 AM
I always got the sense that Mayock wanted to be the smartest GM in the room. He took some head scratchers in the first round annually.
Posted By: dawg66 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/31/22 05:15 AM
Mayock's rise to GM isn't really any different than John Lynch's, they're both ex-players the only difference is Mayock became a draft guru and Lynch became a NFL broadcaster.
Posted By: CapCity Dawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/31/22 12:00 PM
Originally Posted by Dawgs4Life
I always got the sense that Mayock wanted to be the smartest GM in the room.

Then he needs to be the first one in the room and then immediately lock the door.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: NFL Camp News - 08/31/22 01:31 PM
Originally Posted by CapCity Dawg
Originally Posted by Dawgs4Life
I always got the sense that Mayock wanted to be the smartest GM in the room.

Then he needs to be the first one in the room and then immediately lock the door.
smile
Posted By: Milk Man Re: NFL Camp News - 08/31/22 01:35 PM
j/c…

Posted By: Milk Man Re: NFL Camp News - 08/31/22 04:37 PM


Posted By: Pdawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/31/22 04:38 PM
Posted By: cfrs15 Re: NFL Camp News - 08/31/22 06:10 PM
Posted By: Bull_Dawg Re: NFL Camp News - 08/31/22 06:28 PM
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: NFL Camp News - 08/31/22 06:36 PM
Wow thats a steep price for Reagor IMO
Posted By: FATE Re: NFL Camp News - 08/31/22 07:53 PM
I don't think it's all that terrible if you have a plan... but it's gambling, plain and simple. Speed, quick twitch and athletics jump off the page. Drops make him much more like Anthony Schwartz and less like the "DeSean Jackson" he was compared to coming out of the draft. I liked him a little more than I should have coming out, but still thought 21st overall was about a round too high.

At the end of the day (imo) a 7th and a 5th (two drafts later) isn't that big of a check to write. I mean, if the conditional pick remains a 4th -- you got some of what you wanted and expected, right?


Maybe they have some plans on how to use his "intriguing" skill-set. There's no excuses for his crappy play, but the Eagles (and Hurts) didn't do him or themselves any favors.

I'm guessing new OC, Texas born and bred Wes Phillips, probably loved him at TCU... and the Vikings didn't think the price was too high for the upside.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: NFL Camp News - 09/01/22 10:23 AM
Wes, the son of Wade and grandson of Bum.

I liked Bum. I liked when the head coach could have some personality and not just dress up in league approved dress. I always liked Bum on the sidelines wearing that 10 gallon cowboy hat.
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: NFL Camp News - 09/01/22 12:18 PM
Originally Posted by Bull_Dawg

The fact we took on $20MM was obviously a contributing factor.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 09/01/22 12:53 PM
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 09/01/22 01:21 PM
Quote
"It was just a practice. It was football," Donald said in a Wednesday interview with the AP Pro Football Podcast, via the Associated Press. "I don't really wanna go back to nothing negative that happened and talk about something that happened in a practice. My main focus is Buffalo."

https://www.nfl.com/news/rams-dl-aa...ing-it-was-just-a-practice-it-was-footba
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: NFL Camp News - 09/01/22 01:38 PM
I know the narrative will be that he got less guaranteed than Watson, but he’s also much older
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 09/01/22 01:50 PM
And not as good.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 09/01/22 02:27 PM
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: NFL Camp News - 09/01/22 04:18 PM
So it was totally ridiculous and nobody in their right mind should or could expect that to be normal.

out·li·er

a person or thing situated away or detached from the main body or system.

a person or thing differing from all other members of a particular group or set.
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: NFL Camp News - 09/01/22 04:30 PM
and, chances are, we'll have to throw that sort of contract at him again to keep him from leaving as soon as this deal is up. He never wanted to be here. Period. He's only "excited" about being here because we gave him the most insane contract, ever. So, to think he won't bolt as a free agent is just wishful thinking.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 09/01/22 06:46 PM
I don't think a lot of top-tier FA QBs leave their team. The team does what it has to do to keep the guy. I really can't remember the last one to leave his team as a FA. Can anyone else?

I posted the tweet because it was news. I also posted it because I think it shows just how badly the Browns want to win. I do think the contract is an outlier like the tweet said. And I commend the Brown's FO and ownership for having the guts to stick to their necks out and do what they had to do in order to acquire a top-tier QB. They recognized they were not going to win it all w/what they had at qb and they made a move they surely knew had to be unpopular on many levels in order to win. It may never work, but damn it, at least they are trying.
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: NFL Camp News - 09/01/22 07:39 PM
we could win 4 SBs in a row and I still wouldn't cry if he leaves. Just how I feel.
Posted By: FloridaFan Re: NFL Camp News - 09/01/22 07:49 PM
Originally Posted by PrplPplEater
and, chances are, we'll have to throw that sort of contract at him again to keep him from leaving as soon as this deal is up. He never wanted to be here. Period. He's only "excited" about being here because we gave him the most insane contract, ever. So, to think he won't bolt as a free agent is just wishful thinking.

And I would not rule out in 3 years when 60 mil is the average for a QB, that he doesn't start making a stink and try to force his way out.
Posted By: Bull_Dawg Re: NFL Camp News - 09/01/22 07:51 PM
...I could definitely see a segment of this fanbase trying to run him off.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 09/01/22 08:14 PM



Guess that ends any possible trade between us an the Eagles involving DEJ.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 09/01/22 08:17 PM
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 09/01/22 08:21 PM
Posted By: steve0255 Re: NFL Camp News - 09/01/22 08:22 PM
Of course he will. He signed the 2nd richest contract in football in 2020 and 3 1/2 months later he was demanding a trade. Berry and Stefanski have no power now. They mortgaged that power when they sold their souls and their morals to get Watson in the name of winning. Which leads credence to the fact that if things don't go exactly as to what Watson has planned, Berry and Stefanski will be toast or he'll be demanding another trade. Count on it!
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: NFL Camp News - 09/01/22 08:44 PM
Originally Posted by Bull_Dawg
...I could definitely see a segment of this fanbase trying to run him off.

Why would this time be any different than every other time?
Posted By: mgh888 Re: NFL Camp News - 09/01/22 09:25 PM
I would absolutely fully expect contract demands in year 4. No reason not to think this is almost guaranteed. Possibly at the end of year 3. Hopefully his play earns him a favorable response and Browns Fans will be saying "Pay the man, he's worth it" ....
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: NFL Camp News - 09/01/22 09:27 PM
Hopefully. But it could be after year 1 he demands a new head coach.
Posted By: Bull_Dawg Re: NFL Camp News - 09/01/22 09:36 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by Bull_Dawg
...I could definitely see a segment of this fanbase trying to run him off.

Why would this time be any different than every other time?


...it wouldn't.
Posted By: Jester Re: NFL Camp News - 09/01/22 09:38 PM
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
we could win 4 SBs in a row and I still wouldn't cry if he leaves. Just how I feel.

Agreed. If I was the owner of the Browns, I would never have approved this trade.
I would much rather have gone through this season with Baker then drafted a rookie Qb to start next season in what looks to be an extremely talented and deep draft

I find it impossible to root for the guy so I am not finding great enjoyment rooting for the Browns. As such, I cancelled my NFL ticket. I suffered through all those losing seasons and never wavered. When I cancelled they asked me why. After I explained, they actually suggested that I root for another team. Really? I am not quiting the Browns, I am suspending my patronage. Who just finds a new team?

I'll stick around, I'll pay attention, I'll be happier when they win than when they lose, but my enjoyment is tainted. I won't be able to enjoy a Browns win led by watson nearly as much as if we had nearly any other Qb (the exception might be micheal vick). When watson is gone, I hope to come back in full force. But who knows. After a few years I might just quit football altogether. Doubt I will leave hear because I consider many of you to be friends, even though I have never met any of you in person.
Posted By: mgh888 Re: NFL Camp News - 09/01/22 09:41 PM
I think you speak for many posters and fans. And I am in the exact same situation with Sunday Ticket (I've not been a direct Tv customer for maybe 3 years, and paid for it separately).
Posted By: Pdawg Re: NFL Camp News - 09/01/22 09:57 PM


You can rest easy Vers
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 09/01/22 09:59 PM
NFL news? Is this the right thread for that?
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 09/01/22 10:07 PM



That's a pretty big loss. I think he had double digit sacks last year.
Posted By: Pdawg Re: NFL Camp News - 09/01/22 11:00 PM
Posted By: lampdogg Re: NFL Camp News - 09/02/22 01:43 AM
Originally Posted by mgh888
I think you speak for many posters and fans. And I am in the exact same situation with Sunday Ticket (I've not been a direct Tv customer for maybe 3 years, and paid for it separately).

I respect everyone’s opinion on the Watson situation. But I re-upped for Sunday Ticket no problem, and can’t wait until DW is our QB, hoping we still are in the playoff hunt by then.

I don’t feel great about this whole thing, but I don’t feel any less passionate as a fan. I (we) have gone through a river of poo since the late 80s.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 09/02/22 01:48 AM
Probably not going to go all that well this year, bro...........but long term............we got our guy.
Posted By: lampdogg Re: NFL Camp News - 09/02/22 01:53 AM
I refuse to surrender on Sept. 1. We have some weapons on O and I hope the D can do a lot of heavy lifting until November.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: NFL Camp News - 09/02/22 01:59 AM
That's cool, bro. It's just that JB is a backup. You can't win big w/an inferior qb. That's why we got rid of Baker. LOL......
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: NFL Camp News - 09/02/22 02:04 AM
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
That's cool, bro. It's just that JB is a backup. You can't win big w/an inferior qb. That's why we got rid of Baker. LOL......

And you can't get Baker out of your mouth. Sad. Hey, if the 'better than baker' qb can't beat the panthers, you gonna go hide?
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: NFL Camp News - 09/02/22 02:23 AM
Harold Landry is a sneaky really good player. Big loss for them.
Posted By: bugs Re: NFL Camp News - 09/02/22 03:50 AM
Originally Posted by archbolddawg
Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
That's cool, bro. It's just that JB is a backup. You can't win big w/an inferior qb. That's why we got rid of Baker. LOL......

And you can't get Baker out of your mouth. Sad. Hey, if the 'better than baker' qb can't beat the panthers, you gonna go hide?

Has anyone given any thought to both Baker and Brissett having a good game and the Browns winning? In my opinion, Baker will need to do more than Brissett to win this game. Not because Baker or Brissett is better simply Baker has less to work with.

I can actually see Bake winning this game. After all, Baker is a good QB. Carolina is no pushover.

I simply don't get this debate. Berry and Stefanski think Watson is a better fit so be it. I hope we see a good football game Sunday with the Browns winning! I am also hoping for no injuries for both teams.

My 2 cents.
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