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Thanks for the video. Do you really think "Hell's Bells" is the right song considering he just died?

It didn't offend me. Just thought of the irony of that song in this thread. The song fits the video IMO. He was a terror on the field.

man...almost every one of those hits, he just showed up from nowhere and popped someone.

Unrelated note...who is that Washington guy #53? He seemed to be right there on every play right next to Taylor making the play. He's good.


I've not posted on this thread cuz I'm in shock though. but, what a tragedy. I dont care how much of a punk he may have been having troubles, no one deserves what happened to him. and no one deserves whats happened to his child now. Its so sad. I still dont believe it.

I replied to you because I agreed with you. My bad Jules.

you are the first...EVER.

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were lumping me in with those awful meanies Navy and BpG.

I'm really going to miss ST he was awesome to watch and a crazy hitter.

I haven't asked for anything for Christmas, I'm thinking about asking for a Taylor Hurricanes jersey because I like the Canes...

Still can't believe hes dead

Am I?

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Police remain without suspect in Taylor's shooting death
Associated Press

Updated: November 28, 2007, 1:23 PM ET
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MIAMI -- Police remained without a suspect Wednesday in the shooting death of Sean Taylor, looking for clues in hopes of determining who barged into the home of the Washington Redskins' star safety.

No description of a suspect has been released, and police haven't made available results of Taylor's autopsy or the 911 call his girlfriend placed to report the shooting early Monday. He died a day later at age 24.

Authorities took numerous pieces of evidence, including a computer, from Taylor's home. Police are studying a possible connection between the shooting and a burglary at the home eight days earlier.

At Taylor's high school, Gulliver Preparatory, hundreds of students gathered for a memorial in which the player was remembered for his persona off the field and his unyielding defense on it.

"You found yourself drawn to him," said John McCloskey, one of Taylor's coaches at Gulliver. "He would charm you with his soft-spoken nature and his polite demeanor."

Speakers contrasted the Taylor they knew with the one often portrayed in the media by his lapses -- a drunken driving charge that was dismissed, his firings of two agents, numerous fines and an episode two years ago when he was accused of brandishing a gun.

"It's sad that everybody thinks he's this aggressive and mouthy athlete," said Arriana Marion, who went to high school with Taylor. "He was really just a phenomenal person."

Gulliver football coach Earl Sims said that when Taylor returned to his alma mater he was met by adoring students.

"The whole energy in the room changed because everybody's eyes lit up and they were listening for the words that fell off his lips," he said. "Every time he spoke, the environment changed."

At Redskins Park in Ashburn, Va., Taylor's teammates tried to focus on preparing for Sunday's game against the Buffalo Bills. Taylor's father, Pedro Taylor, and the team chaplain addressed players and coaches in the main auditorium, and a practice was scheduled for early afternoon. The Redskins did not open their locker room to reporters.

Outside, a scattered few continued to mourn at a makeshift memorial, where Taylor's No. 21 was painted on a grassy field. Flowers, balloons and other mementos remained from Tuesday night's candlelight vigil, which attracted hundreds of fans.

Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press

Hmmm...

"Authorities took numerous pieces of evidence, including a computer, from Taylor's home."

Strange thing to take investigating a burglary...

Just thinking out loud ......

But if it were me ...... and someone had broken into the home I shared with my girlfriend and child ..... and had left a knife on my bed ....... I think I would have hired heavy duty security .... especially if I had millions ... and the person who put the knife on the bed still hadn't been caught.

I wonder if we'll ever get the entire story.

Im not wishing anything bad upon you. I never do that to anyone. Incase you misinterpreted it.
R.I.P. Sean

j/c

Not since JR was shot have I seen so much chatter over a murder mystery. What's up with all of the speculation? The true story will come out soon enough, then you all can go back to watching the Young & the Restless.

R.I.P. Sean.

Decent read...

Taylor's death a grim reminder for us all

Jason Whitlock
FOXSports.com, Updated 58 minutes ago

There's a reason I call them the Black KKK. The pain, the fear and the destruction are all the same.

Someone who loved Sean Taylor is crying right now. The life they knew has been destroyed, an 18-month-old baby lost her father, and, if you're a black man living in America, you've been reminded once again that your life is in constant jeopardy of violent death.

The Black KKK claimed another victim, a high-profile professional football player with a checkered past this time.

No, we don't know for certain the circumstances surrounding Taylor's death. I could very well be proven wrong for engaging in this sort of aggressive speculation. But it's no different than if you saw a fat man fall to the ground clutching his chest. You'd assume a heart attack, and you'd know, no matter the cause, the man needed to lose weight.

Well, when shots are fired and a black man hits the pavement, there's every statistical reason to believe another black man pulled the trigger. That's not some negative, unfair stereotype. It's a reality we've been living with, tolerating and rationalizing for far too long.

When the traditional, white KKK lynched, terrorized and intimidated black folks at a slower rate than its modern-day dark-skinned replacement, at least we had the good sense to be outraged and in no mood to contemplate rationalizations or be fooled by distractions.

Our new millennium strategy is to pray the Black KKK goes away or ignores us. How's that working?

About as well as the attempt to shift attention away from this uniquely African-American crisis by focusing on an alleged injustice the white media allegedly perpetrated against Sean Taylor.

Within hours of his death, there was a story circulating that members of the black press were complaining that news outlets were disrespecting Taylor's victimhood by reporting on his troubled past

No disrespect to Taylor, but he controlled the way he would be remembered by the way he lived. His immature, undisciplined behavior with his employer, his run-ins with law enforcement, which included allegedly threatening a man with a loaded gun, and the fact a vehicle he owned was once sprayed with bullets are all pertinent details when you've been murdered.

Marcellus Wiley, a former NFL player, made the radio circuit Wednesday, singing the tune that athletes are targets. That was his explanation for the murders of Taylor and Broncos cornerback Darrent Williams and the armed robberies of NBA players Antoine Walker and Eddy Curry.

Really?

Let's cut through the bull(manure) and deal with reality. Black men are targets of black men. Period. Go check the coroner's office and talk with a police detective. These bullets aren't checking W-2s.

Rather than whine about white folks' insensitivity or reserve a special place of sorrow for rich athletes, we'd be better served mustering the kind of outrage and courage it took in the 1950s and 1960s to stop the white KKK from hanging black men from trees.

But we don't want to deal with ourselves. We take great joy in prescribing medicine to cure the hate in other people's hearts. Meanwhile, our self-hatred, on full display for the world to see, remains untreated, undiagnosed and unrepentant.

Our self-hatred has been set to music and reinforced by a pervasive culture that promotes a crab-in-barrel mentality.

You're damn straight I blame hip hop for playing a role in the genocide of American black men. When your leading causes of death and dysfunction are murder, ignorance and incarceration, there's no reason to give a free pass to a culture that celebrates murder, ignorance and incarceration.

Of course there are other catalysts, but until we recapture the minds of black youth, convince them that it's not OK to "super man dat ho" and end any and every dispute by "cocking on your bitch," nothing will change.

Does a Soulja Boy want an education?

HBO did a fascinating documentary on Little Rock Central High School, the Arkansas school that required the National Guard so that nine black kids could attend in the 1950s. Fifty years later, the school is one of the nation's best in terms of funding and educational opportunities. It's 60 percent black and located in a poor black community.

Watch the documentary and ask yourself why nine poor kids in the '50s risked their lives to get a good education and a thousand poor black kids today ignore the opportunity that is served to them on a platter.

Blame drugs, blame Ronald Reagan, blame George Bush, blame it on the rain or whatever. There's only one group of people who can change the rotten, anti-education, pro-violence culture our kids have adopted. We have to do it.

According to reports, Sean Taylor had difficulty breaking free from the unsavory characters he associated with during his youth.

The "keepin' it real" mantra of hip hop is in direct defiance to evolution. There's always someone ready to tell you you're selling out if you move away from the immature and dangerous activities you used to do, you're selling out if you speak proper English, embrace education, dress like a grown man, do anything mainstream.

The Black KKK is enforcing the same crippling standards as its parent organization. It wants to keep black men in their place — uneducated, outside the mainstream and six feet deep.

In all likelihood, the Black Klan and its mentality buried Sean Taylor, and any black man or boy reading this could be next.

hmmm...i wonder what his contract status is....he'd look good in brown

this is a very good read.

And ive asked myself that question a lot of times. Why is it selling out to speak proper and dress to look professional, and act normal.

theres so much talk that white people are trying to hold black people down, and while in some rights, thats absolutely true, but its hard to believe that the image theyve been portraying isnt helping.

I think the last 4 or 5 paragraphs are really important for anyone and everyone to read.

Good read.

This I find funny...

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No disrespect to Taylor, but he controlled the way he would be remembered by the way he lived. His immature, undisciplined behavior with his employer, his run-ins with law enforcement, which included allegedly threatening a man with a loaded gun, and the fact a vehicle he owned was once sprayed with bullets are all pertinent details when you've been murdered.

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According to reports, Sean Taylor had difficulty breaking free from the unsavory characters he associated with during his youth.

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A black man says it and it's ok, I say it and I am insensitive and a bad person.

Another interesting read in the ABJ today, some comments from Rolle, whom he has been a childhood friend of Taylors...

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Friend says Taylor was targeted

Comments by Rolle conflict with statement by police in slaying

Published on Thursday, Nov 29, 2007

From Beacon Journal wire services

Still in disbelief of his childhood friend's shooting death, Arizona Cardinals cornerback Antrel Rolle vowed Wednesday to make sure Sean Taylor is remembered.

He added he did not believe the killing was part of a burglary gone sour, and that Taylor had many enemies on the streets of Miami.

''This was not the first incident,'' Rolle said. ''They've been targeting him for three years now.''

Rolle said many former ''friends'' had it in for Taylor, who was trying to build a more stable life.

''He really didn't say too much,'' Rolle said, ''but I know he lived his life pretty much scared every day of his life when he was down in Miami because those people were targeting him. At least, he's got peace now.''

However, police in Miami say Taylor was slain in what they suspect was a random burglary, and there are no indications the player was targeted or knew his assailant.

Rolle and Taylor, whose fathers were policemen in Homestead, Fla., started playing football together when they were 6 years old. They went on to become University of Miami teammates and NFL first-round draft picks. Both wore No. 21, Rolle for the Cardinals, Taylor for the Washington Redskins.

Rolle said he hadn't talked to Taylor in a while, and that the Redskin had withdrawn from the crowd he hung around with to build a new life with his girlfriend and young daughter.

''There was so much surrounding him,'' Rolle said. ''Everyone was talking about him bad, so he just had to distance himself from everyone and live a life of his own. . . . Within the last year, I've never seen anyone make such a dramatic change.''

Taylor's family has scheduled a funeral service for 11 a.m. Monday at Pharmed Arena at Florida International University in Miami.

ITs amazing how this writer never mentions how Taylor changed his life around. How he was making a change. But just like M.Wilbon wrote in an article yesterday, just because you change you life around does not mean your former friends and enemies have turned their lives around.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/27/AR2007112702680.html

This writer and some of the other posters on this board make the same stupid generalizations. First, not one person knows what the hell happened. Not his friends, not the police, not the even his fiance. Until more comes out, the sad part is that we have to listen to dumb people give there opinions based on not one word of fact. Yes, we knew that he had brandished a gun before and that there were people in Miami that shot at him. But we also know that he was not dealing with that anymore. So the only fact we have is that someone entered his house and he Sean Taylor is dead.

Also, as far as the J.Whitlock crowd, any crime commited is based due to hip-hop!! Durant Williams ( innocent of any wrong doings, just wrong place at wrong time) it was hip hop, Sean Taylor has someone break into his house = hip hop, Pacman = hip hop. Please, how about bad life decisions by 2 out of the 3 I mentioned. Naw, thats too easy, that does not generalize and blame someone.

What a Joke!!

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Actually, a lot of people on this board and around the country said it. People have problems with it coming from you because you're mean, you're boorish, you have a long history of borderline racist sentiments and you seemed to take glee in Taylor 'getting what was coming to him'.

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That about sums it up.

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Actually, a lot of people on this board and around the country said it. People have problems with it coming from you because you're mean, you're boorish, you have a long history of borderline racist sentiments and you seemed to take glee in Taylor 'getting what was coming to him'.

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Dag, talking about putting an exclamation on something!!

Didn't you know? OUR opinions are based on nothing. His OPINION is supposed fact.

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but you know for a fact that he wasn't dealing with that at all anymore.

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Let's see here, every one in the Redskin Org, from Snyder, Gibbs, to players, to former Miami players ALL stated that S.Taylor had turned his life around. Even the friend of Taylors (A.Rolle) stated that he was not dealing with those people he used to deal with anymore since the birth of his child. So please let us know what fact you have that refutes that?? Also, please provide any facts that state those former people or enemies of his former friends did the killing??

Now we all know that you have none of that. And yourself, some writers and other board posters have done nothing but speculate and generalize. If you had some facts, please run down to MIA and solve the crime. But of course you don't, so you have to use generalizations to back you lack of facts and knowledge! Tell ya what, maybe we can say that this murder was due to "THE X GAMES"!!!

Well why the X-Games. Well because since some of Sean's enemies stole his ATV, and ATV's are used in X-Games, its the new popularity of the X-Games that made S.Taylor come out with a gun to try to get his ATV back!!..LMAO!

Did you by any chance read the reports that Taylor had a price tag on his head for the last 3 years? Did you read anything regarding the "black Klan"? Fact is the kid lived a thug life and then tried to change, did he change, who knows for sure, but my guess is he didn't. Overall the kid was a punk and don't see the need to glorify his life. He lived a checkered life and when you put yourself into this position you better have an understanding of the consequences involved, and death is one of them. This wasn't random, this was a hit, and if scum wants to kill each other I have no problem with it, no matter if it's a guy who plays football in the NFL or the 3 to 5 people I hear on the news daily being shot for similar reasons. A thug is a thug. Once you commit there is no going back.

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Overall the kid was a punk

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Go tell his family that. Go tell his teammates that. I bet you'd be a hit at the funeral. Or you'd get hit at the funeral.

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A thug is a thug. Once you commit there is no going back.

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Great outlook, I guess you think we should just euthanize everyone thats ever made mistakes in their life because:

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Did you by any chance read the reports that Taylor had a price tag on his head for the last 3 years?

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I did read that but since that has not been verified by ONE PERSON, I guess that has to be a fact.

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Did you read anything regarding the "black Klan"?

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- Yes, I did, that is phrase that Whitlock uses to address people who kill in the black community. That part of his generalization is point on because he is talking about people within the community doing harm to it.

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act is the kid lived a thug life and then tried to change, did he change, who knows for sure, but my guess is he didn't.

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Well there it is folks, Fletch guesses that he didn't. Although the owner of the team, coach of the team, players on the team, players that went to school with him all say he changed, FLETCH guesses that he did not!

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e lived a checkered life and when you put yourself into this position you better have an understanding of the consequences involved, and death is one of them. This wasn't random, this was a hit, and if scum wants to kill each other I have no problem with it, no matter if it's a guy who plays football in the NFL or the 3 to 5 people I hear on the news daily being shot for similar reasons. A thug is a thug. Once you commit there is no going back.

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But these are the best/most stupid part of your argument - he lived a checkered life and according to you, and others with your junior CSI badges, know it was a hit due to his life that he used to live. Hell, why don't you go to Mia and tell them that!!
And since he was scum( because you know the facts in the previous cases) that it was ok for him to be shot in his house with his fiance and baby!
I bet you made the same statements about BE and Winslow because the SAME PEOPLE who were hollering about them, not being able to mature..etc have not said crap/one work this year about them. All anyone knows right now is that ST got shot in his house, could it have been a past enemy , possibly, along with other possible motives. But we do know for certain that the kid was trying to straighten out his life, unless you have some facts that disprove everyone else!! duh!!!!

I, in a sense, agree with Navy. I feel bad for his family, and don't believe Sean Taylor deserved to die. But, you can't continuously put yourself in the situations he put himself in and expect nothing bad to ever happen to you. It's a shame he's dead, and I feel bad for everyone close to him, but his own decisions are what brought this upon himself.