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I have never said any such thing. I have been ignoring lie after lie from you. Yet you won't stop lying. This is the last time I speak to you. Go talk to your brother, Pit. You are two of a kind.

It's not everyone. It's the BM Club. Hijacking thread after thread w/their BS!

There is a gameshow called blanktest, (their name not mine) but the host always says, "the answer is somewhere on the screen"
well the answer is somewhere on the screen. ^^
Nobody in the World can win if they are the first time in the first year of joining a team, .. and that team doesn't have any Wr's especially ones that had already been on that new team also. ,(so you can take HOF'er Kurt Warner off the table), when they're up against teams that keep their playmakers together for continuity.
We'll all wait for that too, of course.
but I know one thing.
First year quarterback? Have ya seen that before?
I have, We know how it goes, it doesn't go well.
( It doen't matter if it was a veteran or a draft pick. Jeff Garcia?
Will Jacoby Brissett be better than Jeff Garcia was while on the Browns?
it's going to be so PEACHY, so much to look forward to for the rest of the weeks of the year.

Is it OK for the Haslams' to not have learned that Continuity matters after ummm 8 or 9 years of owning the team???

That is terrible insight.

Except, I hardly reply to you, and when I do, it's not a lie. But, you have your go to excuse: call people liars.

To be dead honest, I read or skim about half of the posts directed at you in an argumentative tone. No way I'm spending two hours a day reading those bro, I don't know how you do it. Additionally, you may not have noticed because you tend to lump me in with those attacking you daily, but I don't do a lot of 'piling on' anywhere except in PP. I usually only get that way in here on the things that I personally think or feel strongly about, then I usually just say my piece and then dip out. But I do jump in on you and others when I see something I really dislike, like when a few told me that you harassed them in PMs or accused you of bullying them. Being one of the regular oldtimers on here I feel things like that, intervening or taking up for a noob, are necessary from time to time. And just so you know, I do some reflecting whenever I get hit (criticized) from all directions at once on DT. Because just like you, I am a strong personality too, until you know how to take me or add me to your ignore list that is. I can get emotional, overbearing, and downright nasty with others when I'm mad, or when I feel passionate about a specific view or outcome, and or attacked. But you can get like that too, as well as several others here. The majority of the board comes in to get the news and chit-chat while jumping through their favorite forums. There are only about a dozen-or-so of us that go hard, and often too hard.

These newer guys getting scrappy on here right now have been members for a while, but they never posted much until something hit them in the feels and made them speak up. Pit has been on you for a minute, but he's one of us loud oldtimers too. Just like arch, Fate, Eve, and a handful of others that I can't recall at this second, they can go hard at times too, but it's all more or less over us having different points of view for the most part. Sometimes differences in our value systems, strong beliefs, upbringings, geography, civic views, political views, religious views, and individual biases come into play in the arguments too, but those occur much less often than just plain old differences in opinion.

I bring all of this up to explain why those guys want people fired, why you disagree, and why I don't care. It's because we all have our own opinions. And if we're being completely honest with each other, all of those varying opinions should be welcomed everywhere and treated with a modicum of mutual respect. But we are living in a highly emotionally charged time right now and things are a fair bit more heated than usual, and that is most of what has been going on with all the conflict for several years on parts of the board and at least eight months to a year in PF. Last year's struggles, various events, and serious changes split the fanbase. So, it's probably going to take some serious winning to bring the majority of us back to the same page as fans. For me, it's no different than a lot of things right now. People are high-strung, emotionally charged, running low on giving a crap, and even lower on mutual respect. It is what it is.

I was pissed about the way DW was brought in and felt like Baker didn't deserve the treatment he took. But that's old news now. As far as DW, I did want some sort of punishment. Now, I just want him to redeem himself both on and off the field. I also hope the shrink can fix this kid because it's obvious he's broken and we need $230 mil worth of top 5 play out of him while not repeating his mistakes or somehow making things worse. I also think he's guilty of being a sexual predator and may have a mental addiction to this type of behavior. However, at the end of the day, he's a young man but still a kid deserving a 2nd chance as long as there are no new issues. After everything that has come out, I'm honestly surprised he made it past the grand jury. So, those wanting him here should probably count their blessing that he is even here and just let the people who want to rant, rant. Here's a hint for you though, rants tend to end when nobody will listen or respond. Just an FYI. Smh, I have no idea how Purp puts up with us.

One last thing, when I said:
I was just thinking that the new consensus looked a whole lot like the thoughts I posted and was criticized for. Hell, I don't even remember who all criticized me for that. And other than what I just posted, I want no part of getting in between you and those other guys right now. Just saying.

No doubt college football is deep rooted in the south. No doubt the idea with Carolina was to be a somewhat shared experience, but once everything settledeverything was on the north side of the state line.

Carolina is probably due a new stadium, and to beat the heat it will probably be a dome. When that day comes it would be smart to locate it in Rock Hill. S.C. I think they tried to do something similar with the training facility and team Hdqtrs...whatever happened to that? Is that still happening?

I remember hearing Rock Hill mentioned. It's in SC, but is closer to to Charlotte than Columbia. I haven't heard any news about it quite awhile, but I haven't been looking for that news. I have a feeling people have just accepted the locale or moved on.

Man, you are right about the dome thing. Columbia is one of the hottest places you will find. It's in a little bowl and the dew point is often upwards of 70. It can be oppressive. Charlotte is probably not as bad, but it's still has to be awfully hot in August and September for Panther home games.

I worked on building the Panthers stadium and lived in Rock Hill back in those days. It's hard to believe that they are looking to build a new stadium already.

Rock Hill SC is 24 miles by car from Charlotte CLT airport, ( see, that's where the CLT abbrev. comes from).
They will not build a stadium 24 miles by car from the major airport it has to use, not in a market no bigger than Carolinas' market. ( Maybe in Chicagos')
Rock Hill will not be the site of a new stadium.

Sure it is.....
You start more crap with your lies than anyone on this board. Everyone knows Baker was injured in 2021 and that's the reason things went awry. Your revisionist history is BS and you post it while blaming others who show you are wrong.

Okay

That second part is an opinion. In your opinion, that is why things went awry. In Vers' opinion, it was the other things he mentioned. If the Browns agreed with you, Baker would still be on the team or other teams would have been clamoring for his services. Baker had a lot of detractors even after 2020. People felt the Browns were winning with Baker and not because of him. A common narrative was "limit his throws and the Browns will win...if he has to throw more than 25-30 times/game, then the Browns chances of winning decreased significantly." The talking heads were basing this on what they saw on the field and what the stats bore out. None of that had to do with injury. The NFL recognized this as well and adjusted, injury or no injury. They sold out to stop the run, stopped falling for play action, kept Baker in the pocket, and eliminated bootlegs. Did the injury affect his ability to adjust to that? I respect anyone's opinion who thinks so, but considering there were concerns prior to the injury, my opinion is the injury made very little difference.

Yeah, having a shoulder injury that impacts a QB every time he throws the ball having a huge impact oh his performance is an "opinion". I didn't really need purple for that did I?

The construction on the practice facility and headquarters in Rock Hill, SC has stopped, and the Panthers pulled out with it half-finished because the county and city was dragging their feet on their financial commitment. Panthers owner David Tepper is no push over in business being a billionaire hedge fund manager and the NFL's richest owner who is worth $6 billion more than the next man on the list with a net worth of 16.7 billion. I don't believe the new owner of the Broncos is figured into that list yet but as of April, Tepper was the richest.

It's just my opinion, as a Charlotte resident that North Carolina, the City of Charlotte, and surrounding area blew it originally when Tepper went south for his team facility and Headquarters. Now that South Carolina screwed the pooch, it's time for the area to step up and get that stuff built locally.

Going north to the area between UNC Charlotte and the Charlotte Motor Speedway would be perfect for the city, has the room, and could encompass the mass transit system just by extending the LYNX the remaining distance between UNC Charlotte and the racetrack like originally planned. It would also give the university the opportunity to play there too being so close and much larger than their current 13,000-seat stadium. There's also multiple Interstate(s) to access the area much like the racetrack.

“UNC Charlotte is the second largest institution in the UNC System,” the description reads with over 30,000 students enrolled. “UNC Charlotte is often confused with UNC Chapel Hill which often goes by UNC or mistaken as a community college.

There's no doubt that Tepper is going to build a new practice facility & headquarters in the very near future and a new stadium shortly after that. He also owns the Charlotte FC professional soccer team so keeping the group in Charlotte is important for the economy of the community. Where - is the biggest question now but I doubt that South Carolina is under any consideration anymore and it's up to North Carolina to get off their butts and work with Tepper to solidify the states commitment to the team. Tepper doesn't strike me as a person that has a lot of patience to play a waiting game and will get what he wants whether it's in Charlotte or not, IMO.

This is only my opinion - but it's perfectly possible and it might even be probable that the Browns viewed Baker as a top 15 - top 12 QB.... and they view Watson as a top 1-2-3 QB entering his prime. The statistical deep dive on Watson that has been posted is literally a Berry wet dream come true. His stats in clutch moments and other important criteria if you are analysis driven are next world. I think it'd make sense (setting aside any other issues) for the Browns to go hard after Russell Wilson who can also be a top 2-3-4 QB when healthy - and Watson even if they believed Baker to be above average or even good. Both truly elite QB's and both unusually available for top franchise level QB's.

I don't think for one second that the Browns FO trading for Watson is any indication what-so-ever that the injury didn't impact Baker last year. I think that's a huge stretch. I'll repeat - Before the injury Baker was completing 80%+ passes. After the injury it was 55% completion. I do not think Baker continues at 80% if he doesn't get hurt - those numbers are unsustainable - but I do think he is 8-9-10% higher than 55% for the rest of the year if healthy. And that doesn't account for confidence, getting happy feet and the fear of getting hit (and hurt because of the injury) in a collapsing pocket etc.

I know Rock Hill is a stone throw away from Charlotte...I just don't think they are going to go as far away as Columbia. As you said, it's about the Gamecocks there, and past Rock Hill there isn't a whole lot until you get to Columbia.

I know what you mean about Columbia. I spent some time there on the job when they got backlogged. It is the eastern end of the southern heat belt...a swath running from there through Macon, Ga, Montgomery, Ala, Jackson Miss down to New Orleans. It's just a combination of heat and humidity that is hard for many people to understand.

Just like many chuckle when a place like Atlanta gets shut down with 2 inches of snow, the same down here happens when people in Chicago go bonkers when the temps hit 95. I mean that is a every day deal for 3-4 months down here.

My wife and I have joked for years that the weather people here in Chattanooga have a easy job in the summer. Just pin up "High around 95 with a chance of afternoon thunderstorms" and just take off from early June until a week after Labor Day.

Ahh Columbia, home of Ft. Jackson. Fond memories...

j/c...

Maybe Garrett, Clowney or JOK can test that left shoulder on the turf a few times?

That said, I hope he'll be fine after playing us.

Great to start the year with an easy win on the road. Because of the off season I've not re-upped my subscription for Sunday Ticket but being in CLT I'll get to watch this game at least.

Talk about being handed a job. What's the over under
On how many INTs Baker throws week 1?

At least 5. Maybe more. He's short. Can't read a D. Panics. Horrible accuracy. This D knows him and when the Defences figure him out he is trash. Panthers are bad and can't cover all his deficiencies like Stefanski and the Browns did... Minimum of 5

All aboard the hyperbole train! Seriously, he'll probably have a decent game. I just hope he's in there needing a score to beat us with a minute left.

Panthers are favored by 1.5 points. I’ll be paying attention to that line.

j/c,

Browns reduce roster to 80 players
The Browns have waived five players.

Aug 22, 2022 at 05:11 PM

ClevelandBrowns.com

The Cleveland Browns have made the following transactions:

Waived:

--P Joseph Charlton

--S Luther Kirk IV

--T Wyatt Miller

--CB Parnell Motley (some what of a surprise over Hill who has been toast. )

--TE Marcus Santos-Silva

There are several posters that have have basically said these things. And Browns do have a top level NFL roster that is loaded, and we have a QB who is supposed to be no worse than BM last year, with less turnovers. Panthers have a bottom 1/3 roster ... bottom 5 according to several leading sport media. This shouldn't be close. No excuses, right?

If only that’s how things worked.

....but that train keeps a rollin, on down to San Antone.

WE always lose the first game of the season except for one year. This would be a nice year to finally break that streak!

Homewood - Things have a way of finally reverting to the mean so hopefully we'll start this year and have a long history of winning the first game of the season going forward.

Hopefully. I mean we finally beat Detroit last season!

We've never lost a game with Brissett at QB!

j/c:

Sounds like excuses are already being made.

That's true!! Maybe we'll have some better luck with him!!!

I'm pretty sure all directv customers got it for free. If not, they are giving it away with a phone call.

Yes...yes they are.

Eh, your 'boys' will win us 15 games this year. After all, JB is better and we have DW.......well, we don't have DW, but, at least baker is gone, right?

No excuses. You've told us repeatedly how much better Jacoby is than baker, injured, was.

I expect, due to your insight, 15 wins this season.

Your rep is on the line. Heck, I'll even go 10 wins.